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CalamityJane
December 21, 2005, 11:22 AM
Good morning all. I was thinking the other day, that eventually I would like to have just a small (4 or 5) collection of firearms, primarily for SD/HD, farm varmits, etc. I just purchased my first SD revolver, and am already daydreaming about more.

So my question for all of you is: what are suggestions for 1 shotgun, 1 rifle, couple or three handguns? IOW, if you could only have 5 guns, what would they be?

If this has been asked before, please point me to the thread; my search didn't turn up anything. Probably didn't use the right search words.

Thanks.
CJ

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Snake Eyes
December 21, 2005, 11:31 AM
Colt 70 series 1911
Colt Python 4"
Colt Detective Special

Remington 870

G3 in 308

halvey
December 21, 2005, 11:33 AM
Shotgun - Remington 870 12 ga
centerfile rifle - Depends really. Rem or Savage bolt in .223 or .308. For SD, an AR in 223
rimfire rifle - a .22, I'd prefer bolt, but thats me

Pistol - 1911 in .45
SD pistol - a 45 or 9mm autoloader depending on carry situations
rimfire pistol - Browning buckmark. Rugers are good too.

grimlock
December 21, 2005, 11:36 AM
Shotgun: Remington 870. 18" barrel and mag extension for HD, 28" vent rib smooth barrel with screw-in chokes for birds, and maybe a 20 or 22" rifled barrel with peep sights for deer.

Rifle: Just one? I guess I'd go with either an AR-15 for the modularity or an M1 for the history. Probably the AR. FAL would also be nagging at me.

Handguns:
1) A 1911, 5" Gov't Model with beavertail, commander hammer, fixed sights, maybe ambi safety, and preferably with no front slide cut.
2) S&W M29 in .44 Mag, 'cause Dirty Harry said so.
3) A Glock 19, to use when I might scratch or dent the other two.

Rupestris
December 21, 2005, 11:37 AM
Remington 870 with 2 bbl's. (one short, one long)

Dan Wesson Revolver in .357/38 (Pistol Pack that has 2", 4", 6" & 8" scoped bbl's)

Ruger Mark II .22LR

Levergun in .30-30 or bolt gun in .308


That would give you good number of options with only 4 firearms/recievers.

Finch
December 21, 2005, 12:02 PM
I like the collection I have now, I consider it pretty well rounded. I have:

12 gauge Winchester 1300 defender
WASR-10 AK-47
Ruger 10/22
Glock 23 .40 s&w - carry gun
Kimber custom ll .45 - also a carry gun
taurus 85 .38 special

I also have a mosin, but that rarely comes off the wall, as it looks too great right next to my framed Declaration of Independance.

In the market to find a nice AR or something in .308 to replace my ak as my primary rifle. Also need something for longer ranges, thinking about a 710.

grimjaw
December 21, 2005, 12:10 PM
What's your budget like?

jmm

another okie
December 21, 2005, 12:18 PM
Remington 870
AR-15
Glock 19
Ruger .22 Mark II
Taurus ultralight .38

This leaves out a long range big game rifle, though you can take deer in most places with the shotgun. You could easily drop the AR and substitute a nice bolt action in .308 or .30-06.

My father was perfectly happy with two guns. He had only a single shot .22 rifle and a Remington 1100 20 gauge, but I crave and have a few more.

CalamityJane
December 21, 2005, 12:28 PM
What's your budget like?

jmm


Well my budget is not exactly unlimited, but am willing to pay for quality and reliability. Don't have to have the best of the best, but I do think that most of the time you get what you pay for.

waterhouse
December 21, 2005, 12:46 PM
I was thinking the other day, that eventually I would like to have just a small (4 or 5) collection of firearms

the problem is you are thinking too small :D

Anyhow, for me:

Shotgun is easy: 870

After that I run into problems because I really like .22s. So I'll cheat and list a couple.

Rifle: either a .308 bolt action (although I looked at a .308 browning lever gun a while back and it's been calling my name, so maybe that) or a .22 bolt (I like the cz 452 Lux). I guess if I could only own one rifle, it would be a .22, so I guess I'll go with the Lux.

Pistols:
a .22 (toss up between the browning buckmark and the SIG trailside)
a 1911
a .357 revolver

Sinsaba
December 21, 2005, 12:53 PM
My 5 guns and est. cost are:

Remington 870 (tactical)..........$379
Ruger 10/22............................$350
Armlite AR10........................$1,700
Glock 17..................................$550
S&W 620.................................$670

Shipping (est. $25 ea.)............$125
FFL (est. $25 ea).....................$125

TOTAL..................................$3,899

That covers everything from 2 inches to 800 meters

I need to get cracking though. All I have (counterparts to the above list) are.

No shotgun
Little AR-7 for my .22
RRA AR-15
Glock 17
Taurus 65

mtnbkr
December 21, 2005, 12:56 PM
Shotgun: Rem 870 (12 or 20, I have the 12)
Rifle: medium caliber bolt rifle (mine's a Winchester Featherweight 6.5x55)
Handguns: Medium framed, 4" revolver in 38/357 (Ruger GP100 for me), large frame revolver in 44mag or larger (4" or 6" barrel), and small frame revolver in 22lr (4" or 6" barrel).

This will cover everything from small game up to large (but maybe not quite dangerous) game in the lower 48. It'll cover all sorts of wilderness needs from hunting to plinking to backpacking.

Chris

psyopspec
December 21, 2005, 01:21 PM
Rifles:
Tough question, I couldn't function with less than two.

AR for a "homeland defense rifle"

Bolt action .243 will take most of the game in my area for hunting or larger varmints.

Shotgun:
I don't do any bird hunting, so it it would be for nuissance critters or HD (which are often the same business).

Whin 1300 Marine.

Handguns:
Kahr PM-9 for deep concealment/BUG.

HK P2000 for a midsize, general-use concealed piece.

HK USP .45 full size. Because not owning a .45 is un-American.;)

Further down the list, a custom 1911 for use as a barbecue gun, and a 10mm as a trail gun.

bruss01
December 21, 2005, 01:43 PM
"1 shotgun, 1 rifle, couple or three handguns"

I'm going to take the liberty of making a distinction between a centerfire rifle and a rimfire rifle. A .22 is just too useful to be without, and there are uses for which only a centerfire caliber is appropriate. So I'll recommend two rifles.

My recommendations assume that you will not be replacing these guns, ever, nor will you be adding tons of "aftermarket" accessories, nor will you be adding more guns to the collection, ever. The criteria is covering the maximum number of gun tasks with the fewest number of guns.

CZ 452 .22 cal (rimfire rifle)
Springfield SOCOM 16 .308 (centerfire rifle)
Mossberg 500 12 gauge with two interchangeable barrels (short for defense & long for hunting)
Springfield XD40 (.40 cal handgun, poly frame)
ParaOrdnance Lt. Col. (.45 cal handgun steel frame) or a good brand of Mil-Spec 1911

This list has been assembled with a view to maximum flexibility. The CZ is good for plinking or small game, and the inexpensive .22 rounds let you shoot all day for next to nothing. The SOCOM 16 is not a hunting rifle, but you can hunt with it. It can also be used for defense. The .308 round is affordable and universally available. It's semi-auto but not an "assault weapon" so it should be legal most anywhere. Same with the Mossberg, a barrel for hunting, a short "riot" barrel for defense. I recommended the Springfield over the Glock due to a preference for the .40 cal cartridge and reported problems with usupported case ruptures in .40 cal Glocks. The poly frame was recommended for light weight. The .40 cal round is recommended as a good compromise between stopping power of .45 and the high-capacity of the 9mm. The .45 was recommended for the durability of the steel frame, universal availability of ammo, and the unarguable stopping ability of the larger bullet.

The only additional recommendation would be a very small handgun for concealed carry, if that is permitted in your area. Maybe a Bersa Thunder 380 or a Springfield XD subcompact 9mm. Maybe a revolver - I like the Ruger Security Six (also the Speed Six & Service Six). They are available used - I recommend the stainless models.

Phantom Warrior
December 21, 2005, 02:09 PM
psyopspec just about hit it, though my tastes are a little different.

RIFLE:
Two, one for long range, one for short.

Remington 700 in .308 (I got mine for $600 w/ a nice scope)
AR-15 (I got my Bushmaster used for $600, mint condition)


SHOTGUN:

Remington 870 in 12 guage. Maybe buy a short barrel so you can use it as a house gun.


PISTOL:
This is very personal. Here's MY breakdown (I'm not there yet.)

1911 in .45 (everyone should have one, I don't)
Wundernine (some hicap 9mm. I bought a Beretta 92).
Some type of CCW, if the first two don't do it. (I have a Glock 23.)



Of course, personally I'd say I NEED, at a minimum a .22 pistol, a good .22 rifle, and a nice revolver (like a Ruger GP100). And a short shotgun, like a 18" 870 or an 870 Marine Magnum.

After that I'd like to buy a variety collection. A HiPower, a few SIGs, an H&K or two, a 1911 or two, a Ruger SP101, maybe a Walther PPK, maybe a .308 AR-15, a semi-auto shotgun, and so on and so forth.

But that is what I'd do if I was going to limit myself.

Leif
December 21, 2005, 02:23 PM
I can pretty much fit the bill with four, and frankly that's about all I can afford to feed, accesorize, etc. This is what I currently have:

Handgun: S&W 629 Mountain Gun, .44mag/.44spl, DA revolver (for bears when I hike)

Rimfire: Ruger 10/22 International, .22lr, semiauto

Shotgun: Browning BPS Hunter, 12 gauge, pump (28" barrel, would like to get a 22" barrel at some point as well)

Rifle: Enfield No. 5 Mk. 1 Jungle Carbine, .303Brit, bolt
(however, this is going to change, see my thread about this: http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=172314)

Really, all I'd like in addition to this someday down the road is a ridiculously precise target .22lr rifle of some sort (Anschutz, BSA Martini, etc.).

Good luck!

middy
December 21, 2005, 02:25 PM
Colt AR-15
Remington 700 .308
Mossberg 500A
Marlin 39A
Glock 26 or 19
Ruger Bearcat

Oops, that's six. I traded the 3rd handgun for 2 more rifles. :o

OK. We can consolidate:

Colt AR-15 with extra .22lr upper
Remington 700 .308
Mossberg 500A with long and short barrels
Glock 26 or 19 with .22lr conversion kit
For number 5, something drool-inducing like a Colt 1911 WWI repro, or a USFA SA revolver in .45 Colt.

Jubei
December 21, 2005, 02:30 PM
If I were to take the 5 out of my current line-up, it would probably look like this;

Mossberg 590 - Always reliable, besides I don't have a Rem. 870

Bushmaster M4gery - Reliable, accurate etc.

Kimber Custom I - Great gun, my ATF

Ruger SRH .454Casull - In case I have to stop a Mack Truck

Glock 17 - Because I could probably drag the dang thing all the way from the summit of Pikes Peak, to Colorado Springs and the bloody thing will probably still load and shoot reliably

Jubei

poppy
December 21, 2005, 02:42 PM
OK, I'll play and limit my selections to what I already have.

Rem. 870 20ga with 2 barrels (one slug and one long)

Ruger Mini 14 with .22 conversion kit. (I actually don't have the conversion kit yet, but if limited to one rifle...)

Ruger KP90DC, because it shoots better than I do.

Colt Systema 1911A1 with .22 conversion kit. A great piece of history.

Beretta 92FS with .22 conversion kit.

This was really tough, I had to leave out a whole bunch of favorites. poppy

Gunpacker
December 21, 2005, 02:42 PM
My advice would be to not take any of this advice at face value. I could give you my favorites, but would just add to the confusion. Since guns are expensive and purchases kind of set your course, I would advise caution.
TRY, TRY, TRY, all the guns you can get your hands on. See what fits, see what you shoot well. Buy what you like after shooting, assuming it is a from a good manufacturer. Learn what the safety systems do, how some are different.
Read to determine what fills your wants and needs. Buy each one carefully.
Personally, I would only give one bit of advice, that being to avoid glocks and Smith XD semi autos. I believe them to be dangerous. I know a bunch of glock people will jump on this and tell you that you just have to be safe. Well, I think so too, and being safe is to avoid the ones I mentioned IMO. You have a lot to sort out, and trying all the guns mentioned here is a good way to start. Not buying, but trying.

trueblue1776
December 21, 2005, 02:50 PM
AR-15 (20in) flat top W/scope
870 12g
1911 .45
.22LR Bolt action heavy barrel
super redhawk .454 (just for fun)

Camp David
December 21, 2005, 03:03 PM
if you could only have 5 guns, what would they be?

Just four=>

Winchester Model 12 Pump, 30" bbl, 12 ga, nickel steel
Colt SAA, 7.5 bbl, 45LC cal
Colt SAA Scout, 4.5 bbl, .22 LR cal
Ruger No. 1, octagon barrel, .45-70 cal

R.H. Lee
December 21, 2005, 03:08 PM
Shotgun: Remington 870 or Winchester Defender
Rifle: Marlin 336 (30-30) or Savage Mod 14 American Classic in .308
.22 rf: Ruger 10/22 and Ruger MKII Target
Pistol: CZ75B (9mm) and/or Springfiled Milspec 1911A1 (.45 ACP)

Yooper
December 21, 2005, 03:10 PM
I think versatility is the key to a limited collection.

1) 12 ga. shotgun with interchangeable barrels.
2) Centerfire rifle, 30 caliber.
3) 22 caliber rifle.
4) 44 Mag. revolver.

CalamityJane
December 21, 2005, 03:21 PM
Thanks to everybody who has replied. It's interesting and helpful and just one tool to use to gather information about what works for others. I will use the firearms mentioned here as a jumping off point, just some tips to narrow things down.

I appreciate all the replies; this is just the info I was wanting.

CalamityJane
December 21, 2005, 03:27 PM
"Personally, I would only give one bit of advice, that being to avoid glocks and Smith XD semi autos. I believe them to be dangerous."

Gunpacker, could you please explain more about this? Thanks.

Amadeus
December 21, 2005, 03:39 PM
Were I to purify my collection to its essence I would select the firearms that already form the foundation of my collection.

Rifle: M1 Garand.

Shotgun: Remington 870 12 guage

Handguns: Sig P228 or Beretta 92FS
Smith & Wesson Model 66 4" (The .357 is mandatory)

GTSteve03
December 21, 2005, 03:48 PM
I think versatility is the key to a limited collection.

1) 12 ga. shotgun with interchangeable barrels.
2) Centerfire rifle, 30 caliber.
3) 22 caliber rifle.
4) 44 Mag. revolver.

This is almost exactly what I would do. :cool: I would however add:

5) Compact semi or snubby revolver for concealed carry. (9mm or .38 special would be my preference.)

ReadyontheRight
December 21, 2005, 03:57 PM
Call me Old School :) :

Remington Wingmaster - w/ 28" and 18.5" barrels.
M1 Garand
Colt 1911 - .45acp
Ruger Redhawk - .44 magnum
Browning Buckmark - .22lr

If I get a bonus gun -- a good, scoped 30-06 or .308 bolt rifle.

Iron sights on all, but I'd figure out a way to scope all of them (even the shotgun for turkey).

Jim PHL
December 21, 2005, 04:00 PM
"J's, K's and 1911's"

I've been steadily working my way down to a basic collection. I really have no interest in long guns or shot guns. Most of my shooting needs can be covered by stuff that fits into the above categories. Money may be more of a factor for me than others here. Ammo commonality entered into my decision to do this.-Not the sole reason, I just happen to prefer these types as well.

J-frame revolver for pocket carry. I have a Kel-Tec .380 for that purpose but have not carried it since I got the .38. Of course, even as easily as the snubby carries, it's not even close to how the KT carries but I just feel better with a treasury load vs. a 95-102 grain with the little pistol.

K-frames for general duty (home, car, travel, etc) and fun shooting. My current favorite is a 3" M65. I've got my first M19 on it's way.(2-1/2" barrel)

"Belt carry gun" - 3" Springfield Micro-Compact - When I got my first 1911 a couple years ago it just felt right. I decided I wanted my carry gun to be set up the same way. I prefer to carry this vs. the .38 when dress, etc. allows.

Springfield "Loaded" full-size. No need to explain this choice for most here.

Your actuals may vary but you might like to keep the selection process in ind when building your own collection.
1- The smallest, most concealable you are comfortable with carrying. Size will usually dictate a smaller caliber. (.38, .32, .380, etc.)
2- A "full-power" carry gun at least a +P .38, .357, .45, .40, 9mm, etc.)
3- For full-size guns, whatever you prefer. Have fun with it!

Good Luck

Yooper
December 21, 2005, 04:24 PM
Something I would like to suggest in addition to the four suggestions from my previous post, instead of a fifth firearm, why not invest in some reloading equipment? This would augment the versatility of what you already have.

poppy
December 21, 2005, 04:24 PM
Hey CJ, if I may, I offer some clarification to my original post:
Rem. 870 20ga with 2 barrels (one slug and one long)

Ruger Mini 14 with .22 conversion kit. (I actually don't have the conversion kit yet, but if limited to one rifle...)

Ruger KP90DC, because it shoots better than I do.

Colt Systema 1911A1 with .22 conversion kit. A great piece of history.

Beretta 92FS with .22 conversion kit.

I'll stick with the 870 w/ 2 barrels for the shotgun, because of cost and versatility

I'll stick with the Mini 14 for the same reason (you didn't mention hunting, just varmits)

I didn't include a CCW because you said you already had a SD revolver, which I took to cover CCW. If not then I would replace the 1911 with a Kahr P9

If you do have CCW covered with the revolver, then I would replace the 1911 with another wheel gun. The Ruger GP100 375 mag. The "piece of history" is for an extended collection. poppy

williamlayton
December 21, 2005, 04:25 PM
Not a suggestion but a list of mine.
12 guage pump
12 guage SXS
16 guage over/under
.22 pump
.22 S&W
FN 5X27 semi-auto
2/.380 PPK's
S&W .38/.357
SIG 239 w/.40 &.357 barrels
Sig 220 .45
STI trojan .45
STI trojan 9x23
I enjoy them all and would not mind a couple of more, say a .38 Super and a 9MM.
Blessings

The-Fly
December 21, 2005, 04:26 PM
if i had to pick 5 guns....


1. Glock 19

2. S&W 686 6"

3. Bushmaster .223 16"

4. remy 870 18" with the extension on it

5. remy 700 chambered in 308

Too Many Choices!?
December 21, 2005, 06:00 PM
Glock 23-Kick ass reliable, and will shoot under water...lol
Bushmaster M4 with rails, and either red dot, or 4 x fixed scope on carry handle.
WASR 10 AK-47, turns more cover to concealment than the AR...Keep the shotgun I'll double tap, thanx...
AR-Pistol/PDW- can be concealed, but has more power than most pistols.
A .22 pistol/rifle is all I am missing.

Preacherman
December 21, 2005, 08:40 PM
Calamity, don't forget that every collection needs a basic little black number (http://www.glock.com/g19.jpg)... :D

grimjaw
December 21, 2005, 10:28 PM
1 shotgun, 1 rifle, couple or three handguns?

OK. You mentioned you already have a a SD revolver, so I won't suggest one.

I would also draw the distinction between rimfire and centerfire rifles. If you prefer shooting long guns to handguns, you might want to get one of each, instead of an extra handgun you might not end up shooting.

Shotgun - Remy 870. I don't own one myself, but probably will. They come highly recommended, good value.
Rifle(s) - One of the .22LR autoloaders. My personal preference is for Marlin's, but Ruger, Remington, CZ, and Browning all have very good rifles in this caliber. I have a Marlin 70PSS (http://www.marlinfirearms.com/firearms/selfLoading22wClipMag/70PSS.htm) that's tons of fun, accurate, and easy to pack. A centerfire rifle would be hard for me to recommend unless I knew what kind of shooting you might do with it. .223 Remington is a fairly versatile caliber, good for varmints, target shooting, and some home defense situations. If you don't have a particular leaning or need, you might start with that, since you'd have choices of just about every available action type made.
Handgun(s) - I am extremely pleased with the Kahr K9 for a carry gun. For a rimfire handgun, I like options, so a .22 revolver with .22LR and .22WMR cylinders works really well for me (Ruger Single Six). Everything else I have is just play, and you might like different toys. Handguns are very individual choices, and the best thing I can recommend is renting several at a range.

Best of luck with your choices, and Merry Christmas.

jmm

Black Majik
December 21, 2005, 10:39 PM
Hmm.... 5 firearms total eh, 1 rifle and 1 shotgun? Hmm...

Shotgun: Remington 870 Wingmaster combo. A 28" barrel and look for a blued police barrel.

Rifle: M1A/M14 variant. .308 perfect middle caliber. Scope or not scope doesn't matter.

Pistols/Revolver:
1) 1911 .45 (Colt, Series I Kimber, Les Baer TRS/PII)
2) SIG P226 9mm
3) S&W 4" 686 pre-lock or S&W M27

Extra: Get a Marvel .22 Conversion Kit top end for the 1911. A GREAT plinker. :)

aaronrkelly
December 22, 2005, 04:44 AM
5 guns total.......

Shotgun
1 - Mossberg 500/Remington 870 (either are excellent choices) - $220

Rifles
1 - AK47 of some variant - $320 for WASR and up.....buy what you can afford
1 - Ruger 10/22 - $140 and up depending on option

Hanguns
1 - Glock in caliber of your chosing - $500 (isnt that about the retail rate?)
1 - Ruger .22 pistol - $225 and up depending

That will get you home defense, practice and entertainment shooting for a begining collector/shooter.......

cz75bdneos22
December 22, 2005, 04:51 AM
Beretta Neos .22LR
Cz 75BD 9mm
Glock G20 10mm
PTR-91
Mossberg 590-A1 shotgun...:evil:

Legionnaire
December 22, 2005, 09:33 AM
Your parameters were: 1 shotgun, 1 rifle, 2-3 handguns. If I had to go that route, I'd select:

Mossberg 500 with 18.5" cylinder barrel, 24" rifled slug barrel with scope, and 28" vent rib with accu-chokes (shotgun versatility)
Remington Model Seven in .308 (GP rifle)
Glock 23 in .40S&W (reliable, high capacity, easy to conceal)
Ruger GP 100 .357mag (dependable and versatile with .38spls)
Browning Buckmark .22LR (everyone needs at least one .22)

But I don't like your parameters. If I had to cull my modest collection to five guns total, I'd have more long guns than pistols. Then my preferred list would be:

Mossberg 500 12 gauge (with barrels as above)
Remington 700 VSSF in .308 (long range accuracy)
Marlin 1894 in .44mag set up with ghost ring and scout scope (GP rifle)
Remington 541T bolt action .22 (everyone still needs a .22)
Glock 23 (the one to carry when you're only carrying one)

mosttoyswins
December 22, 2005, 10:09 AM
is to have a well rounded collection with a little bit of everything...

As you can see by my collection every gun serves a different purpose

Already have

1. Ruger GP100 6" .357 magnum (full size revolver, small game hunting)
2. Sig P226 9mm (full size semi-auto)
3. Para Ordinance P10-.40 (compact CCW semi-auto)
4. S&W Model 60LS .38sp. (compact CCW Revolver)
5. S&W 3913LS 9mm (light clothing CCW semi-auto, slimmer than P10-.40)

Going to get

6. Winchester Model 94 lever action rifle chambered in .357/.38 (use the same ammo as my revolvers)
7. Remington 870/Winchester 1800 12 guage (need a shotty)
8. Ruger 10/22 (rimfire rifle)
9. Ruger Mark III Hunter .22 (rimfire target gun)
10. Some 1911 of some sort (need a .45)
11. AR15 (.223 assault rifle)
12. Bolt action rifle in .30-.30

Boy I still have a lot of $$$$ to spend...:eek: :evil:

jrpeterman
December 22, 2005, 01:52 PM
Handguns

1. Seeing how you already have the revolver, this would be my pick, S&W
686-4 in. barrel

2. Glock 19

3. Take your pick: Ruger 22/45, Browning Buckmark, Sig Trailside-4-5 in.
barrel

Long guns

4. Remington 870 Marine-18 in. barrel

5. Some sort of .308- my preferrence, FN/FAL-20 in. barrel

Give it some thought. Don't limit yourself to just 5 if you can help it.

Gunpacker
December 22, 2005, 05:12 PM
Calamity, glocks and guns of similar design have a "safety" that is a device on the trigger that is moved to "off safe" with the same motion that pulls the trigger. A safety that is simply an extension of the trigger, can be depressed when anything accidentally hits the trigger. Obviously, the gun is likely to go off in that case. For instance, if the gun were dropped with something snagging on the trigger, the gun could fire with light trigger pressure. That safety is not a safety IMO. For it to be a reasonable safety, the action to move the safety device MUST be an action of a different nature than that of pulling the trigger.
It is clear to me that many accidents involve glocks in a manner that is different than other guns. Another for instance, if a child picked up a loaded glock and pulled the trigger, the gun would always go off. Other guns, the safety device is a separate lever.
Now, lots of folks love glocks and they seem to be fine shooting firearms. Many will tell you that you only have to observe safe handling and safety rules. It is my considered opinion that a gun needs to have a safety that is easy to use, but that provides backup in the event something unsafe is done accidentally. Accidents do happen.
Imagine if were holstering a gun and you were to "break the rule" and have your finger inside the trigger guard, but not touching the trigger of a glock while holstering gently. The welt of the holster would force your finger onto the trigger, depressing the trigger and safety, and firing the gun. With a normal, real safety such as on a 1911 style, you would simply hit the trigger that would be blocked by the safety.
One police officer in FL was shot in the abdomen when she ignorantly attempted to put a trigger lock on a glock.
Pay attention to true gun accidents in the news and you will find a disproportionate number of them involve glocks.
I know, I know guys. The accident victims were victims of a broken safety rule. They always are.

Too Many Choices!?
December 22, 2005, 05:36 PM
Manual safeties, HAVE AND WILL FAIL!!!! Don't pull trigger, gun no go boom:) !
1911 and exposed hammer guns that stay cocked can fire if they fall on the exposed hammer. So what is your point?

Because YOU can't handle(or don't think you can handle) a firearm safely, don't try to force your short comings on others. No flame intended.

What do you think of revolvers wich have no safety?:rolleyes:

CalamityJane
December 22, 2005, 08:21 PM
Thanks Gunpacker, for your reply and explanation. I understand what you are saying, as my friend has a Springfield XD. My revolver has no safety at all.

I appreciate your taking the time to explain your opinion; it helps me to hear all kinds of opinions, and I'm here to learn as much as I can.

So thanks again, and Merry Christmas to you and yours.
CJ

CalamityJane
December 22, 2005, 08:26 PM
Thanks to all of you for your suggestions, opinions, and advice. It is much appreciated; I've spent some time looking up many of the firearms mentioned here, and will continue to do that. Good ideas too; I hadn't particularly thought about the need for a .22, but now that I think about it, I can think of several situations that something bigger wouldn't be necessary. (snakes?)

So thanks again to everybody, and hope you all have a Merry Christmas.

CJ

Gunpacker
December 22, 2005, 09:59 PM
There are both revolvers and semi autos that are carried with no safety on. The safety in both cases is that the trigger requires a VERY long pull of a heavy trigger, usually 8 lb or more, to move the hammer to falling position when the sear releases. In the case of the glocks the trigger pull is very light and only needs to be MOVED slightly to release the hammer. You can take the revolver or DA auto, pull with 8 lbs for a considerable distance, release the trigger and the hammer will simply go down without firing the gun. The long hard trigger pull IS the safety in the case of a DA firearm. You don't do it accidentally. This is the safest of all firearms IMO. On the other hand, when you pull the hammer back and cock it, revert to glock condition IMO.
See, glock people hopping up and down already. Judge for yourself Calamity.
As for shortcomings, I believe I can handle a gun as safely as anyone here. I understand safety as well as anyone here. I won't own a glock because I believe them to be unsafe. My opinion. Everyone has to decide for themselves, and I think the attitude I see prevalent among glock owners is indicative of their safety attitude. They say it very loudly and longly.

SpookyPistolero
December 22, 2005, 10:24 PM
I think you will continue to get many more replies in this thread than you'd hoped for!

I'd just submit, first, that safety is of course a virtue of the person holding the gun, and not of the gun itself (beyond obvious mechanical failures). So the Glock and XD and your (or any) revolver are just as safe as you are. Keep the nose-picker off the curved thingy until it needs to go bang, but you know this.

As far as making a good, basic collection, I think you're off to a good start. I'd suggest a good rifle for SD/HD purposes as a next purpose. They're a drastically better choice for SD than a handgun, hence quotes like 'use your handgun to fight your way to your rifle'. The shotgun is a runner up here, but the rifle gives you a single projectile to worry about instead of many, and probably less penetration with good ammo choices. If the shotgun is using something around #4 shot or smaller, it might not penetrate as much, but it will also penetrate the BG less effectively.

A good defense rifle will be a carbine with a mid-level cartridge like the AR or AK, often found in .223 (5.56) and 7.62x39, respectively.

Secondly, a good .22 rifle is a must have. Usefull for practice, small game hunting, and teaching others how to shoot. Gotta have it. A .22 pistol is in the same realm, but since you've got a good .357 revolver, low power .38s are probably a fair substitute.

My tastes, at that point, would be to become scary-good with your chosen rifle and main SD handgun. They will do all of the most important things for you. A small, concealable backup pistol might come in handy, though, as something down the line.

My humble advice would be to pick your poison on a good rifle, then BA/UU/R* for BOTH the rifle and revolver. Get into competition with them, if possible, that encourages shooting while on the move, reloads, and transitions.

*Buy ammo/use up/repeat!

(Just because I like the 'pick a few' type threads, I wanted to share my choices-

Rem 870P w/ surefire
Marlin 60 w/ 4x scope
Glock 33
Springfield 1911 5"
Saiga .308 16")

goon
December 22, 2005, 10:47 PM
FAL
Mossberg 500 18.5" 12 gauge
CZ-452
Kahr P9
Right now #5 is my SIG but it may be replaced by a CZ-75B .40 S&W.

rhubarb
December 22, 2005, 11:33 PM
eventually I would like to have just a small (4 or 5) collection of firearms

You'll get over that soon enough. Soon you'll think of a small collection of firearms as a dozen...then you'll start thinking about which ones you can part with so that you only have a dozen or so...

ken B
December 22, 2005, 11:37 PM
down to 5..my wife would love that!

something along these lines, but i'd give up one pistol and go with two rifles and have a deuce of all:

long arms:
Ruger 10/22
Either Savage or Weatherby Vanguard 30/06
( can hunt anything on this continent and most any continent with that,and the Vanguard if you are looking at cost, i have 4 Vanguards of various vintages so I'm biased)

Mossberg 835 (with a wallet of different chokes just in case, unless they choke they Remmie 870 then you have that choice) up to 3.5 shells, pump reliablity, etc

S&W 686 4 in (either 6 shot or 7 shot)
Ruger 22/45 OR S&W 617 10 shot

I tend to stick with revolvers since magazines limit you on auto loaders as far as feeding, reliability, etc

don't burn me at the stake, I have a couple of Glocks, a sahweet 1911 my wife bought me when we first got married etc, i was just saying if I HAD to weed it down to 5

spooney
December 23, 2005, 12:29 AM
If I could only keep four of my guns they would be my

870, its a twenty gauge express magnum, anything from rabbits on up to deer with a slug

Winchester M70, its a .30-06, anything from deer up to moose and black bear

Browning BL-22, mainly for sentimental reasons and also its frequently the only gun I can hit anything consistantly with

Glock 27, I can conceal it on my person, or just keep it in the sock drawer next to the bed.

Rem700SD
December 23, 2005, 01:33 AM
If I had to limit my collection, it would be down to these five firearms. virtually all farms in my area(East TX) had this "arsenal" or similar armament:
2 pistols, one small calibre, one large
2 rifles, one small, one large calibre
one general purpose shotgun.
The variation depends on your purpose. On the farm, we hunted. Since yours is HD/SD, it will vary, but the same theme remains.

Pistols: Ruger mark 2/3, and a Glock 22(.40s&w) ruger to practice, Glock to carry.
Rifles: Ruger 10/22 and a Military-type rifle, capable of decent accuracy, SKS perhaps, or FN-FAL or other depending on budget.
Shotgun: ubiquitous Remington 700, w/ a short 18-20" bbl

If you want a more traditional theme, you might consider a substitution w/ a pistol/carbine combination in .357/38spl calibre. A marlin/winchester lever action in .357 or .44 mag is an old-west assault rifle, and still very handy!

one45auto
December 23, 2005, 01:37 AM
I'm traditional, so mine would be as follows:

Rifle: Winchester Model 94 Trapper .357 Magnum

Shotgun: Anything double-barreled, side-by-side, and 12 gauge.

Pistols:

Ruger Vaquero .357 Magnum
Smith & Wesson Model 642 .38 Special
Ruger Police Service-Six .357 Magnum
Glock 19 9mm (okay, so this one isn't traditional.... :neener: )

cavman
December 23, 2005, 01:46 AM
I too am working on this very quest. With a .22 rifle I think that I will be covered.

The Browning with a rifled slug can hit great at considerable distances.
The .22 pistol and rifle can be fired all day.
Ruger has been great to shoot with and the 336ss, well that is just a classic.

Beetle Bailey
December 23, 2005, 03:30 AM
I hadn't particularly thought about the need for a .22, but now that I think about it, I can think of several situations that something bigger wouldn't be necessary. (snakes?)


Practical uses aside, I must have both a .22lr rifle and a .22lr handgun (or a .22lr conversion kit for a handgun). I really enjoy shooting and try to get to the range once a week. .22lr allows me to get a good amount of quality shooting in.

1st: .22lr ammo is very inexpensive, and match-grade ammo is inexpensive relative to match-grade centerfire ammo.

2nd: .22lr has very little recoil and is relatively quiet (but you still have to wear hearing protection ;) ).

3rd: .22lr guns tend to be very accurate, if you compare them to similiarly priced centerfire guns.

This means owning guns in .22lr makes great sense because shooting .22lr is both very accessible and very rewarding. Every gun owner I know has several .22lr guns and they shoot them regularly. So I'll cheat and pick six guns for my minimalist collection ;) .

.22lr rifle CZ 452 Lux in .22lr. Great little rifle that I shoot all the time.

Centerfire rifle M1 Garand in 30-06 or .308 win. In a pinch, I can use this for a variety of purposes and sometimes .22lr just 'aint enough.

Shotgun Well, I'd have to say Remington 870 in 12 gauge, but that's partly because the only shotgun I've ever fired was a Remington 870 :o . It's considered a classic, by the way.

Handguns 1911 in .45 ACP gussed up by a master 1911 gunsmith.
Browning HiPower in 9mm Luger.
S&W 686 in .357 magnum.

And I'd get a Marvel .22lr kit for the 1911, too! BTW, CCW is not possible where I live :( .

Ala Dan
December 23, 2005, 08:46 AM
Colt M-4 .223
Remignton 12 ga pump 870 Marine Magnum
6" Smith & Wesson 686-5 .357 magnum
SIG-SAUER .45ACP P220A
Smith & Wesson 642 .38 Special

Rock45
December 23, 2005, 09:41 AM
I'm gonna deviate from the norm a little, while maintaining pretty much the same mindset as most...

From current inventory, as I feel most of my purchases have been well thought out and planned...

.22lr rifle...........Ruger 10/22 stainless synthetic with a 4x scope

Centerfire rifle....Olympic AR-15 HBAR

Shotgun............Benelli Nova Tactical 12 gauge pump

.22lr pistol.........Walther P22 with short and long barrels

CCW Pistol.........Walther P99 9mm

Sunday-go-to-meetin' Pistol...Colt 1911 45ACP
( though I admit I have my eye on
somthing really shiny to replace it with )

Gonna have to give honorable mention to my Ruger GP100 in .357 magnum and the Smith & Wesson 637 in .38 special cause I think you should have a revolver around for backup purposes, and a good .380 that fits in a pocket (pick your favorite flavor, I'll go with the Kel-tec P3AT) doesn't really count as an EXTRA gun, now does it?

Bryan

sacp81170a
December 23, 2005, 09:51 AM
Five? Yeah, I've got 5, each, of:
Semiauto handguns (centerfire and rimfire)
Revolvers (centerfire and rimfire)
Semiauto rifles, (centerfire and rimfire)
Bolt action rifles, (centerfire and rimfire)
Pump shotguns, 12 and 20ga

Dang, I don't have *any* semiauto shotguns, single shot pistols, and I only have two lever action rifles. Thanks for pointing out the holes in my collection! :D

Anything else I missed? (Except for NFA and AOW's)

epijunkie67
December 23, 2005, 09:58 AM
As has been said here before, I'd pick a different set of criteria than you started off with. More rifle and less pistol. I always tell people that before they buy a gun or guns you need to ask yourself what role you want this weapon to perform. Buying a full sized 1911 is going to be a bad idea as a concealed carry gun for most people and using a snub nosed 38 to hunt with would be equally as bad.

If you are trying to cover the widest range of uses with the fewest number of guns then that's different than if you are trying to fill specific functions. As a general rule I think most people can accept something like this;
1 shotgun-12 or 20 gauge
1 small caliber rifle-.22 or .22 mag though some might argue for .17
1 large caliber rifle-Here is where you will get the most disagreement. I'll discuss a bit later.
Optional-1 medium caliber rifle or a second large caliber rifle
1 or more handguns- If your only going to have one I'd say make it in a self defense caliber. My personal opinion is it should also be concealable. If you're going to have more than one then you can do a small carry piece and a larger fun gun. If you can get a .22 in there somewhere then mores the better.

As for the large caliber rifle, depends on your expected shooting needs. If you want it to be able to fill a self defense role then most people would recommend making it a semiauto instead of a bolt action. If you are going to hunt then you may want a medium or larger caliber. If you want it to do both then you are looking at something in 7.62X39 or .308.

All that aside, if I had to stick to your original request for only a single rifle I'd have to go with a lever action in .357. With FMJ .38s I could hunt stuff as small as rabbit and with soft point .357s I could hunt stuff as large as deer. Light, manuverable, easy to find ammo, easy to shoot. It doesn't have the range or fire rate of something like a magazine fed .308 but you can't hunt rabbit with a .308.

Brian Williams
December 23, 2005, 10:10 AM
Just 5
Rifles
22 rimfire to plink, practice and take small game
Centerfire rifle for larger game

Handguns
22 rimfire to plink, practice and take small game
Centerfire for SD/HD, maybe hunting

Shotgun
most anything will cover the basics

This is more traditional than most
Marlin 39A
Marlin 336 or Win 94 in 30-30 or 32spec

S&W 34 or 35
S&W 19 or 13 4"

Win, Rem, Ithaca, or Mossy pump

22-rimfire
December 23, 2005, 12:00 PM
Guns for the Budget Minded:

22 Rifle: Probably Ruger 10/22 Rifle
22 Pistol: Probably Ruger Marks III Hunter
Home Defense: 4" Ruger GP100 357 Mag
Hunting: Savage 114 American Classic 30-06
Shotgun: Remington Model 870 12 ga with 20" barrel
+1=Carry Gun: S&W 442/642 38spl +P Revolver
+2=Varmint Rifle: Remington Model 700 BDL 223 or 243
+3=Auto Pistol: 1911 Style Pistol in 45 ACP
+4=Auto Pistol: Glock 23 40 S&W
+5=Big Bore Revolver: S&W Model 57/657 41 Mag, or 29/629 44 Mag
+6=AR Rifle: Bushmaster 223, or Ruger Mini 14/30
+7=Shotgun: Remington or Mossberg Police Shotgun 12 ga
+8=Shotgun: Remington Model 870 20 ga
+9=Revolver: 500 S&W Revolver
+10=Auto Sig 223 or Another Glock

Gunpacker
December 23, 2005, 12:46 PM
IMO, you will find that you are already way far gone. You want a "collection, just a small one". That means you have crossed a line,and probably recognize the fun in shooting. I predict that you will join most of us here in having more than 5. When you have an interest in firearms as you seem to, the lure is irrestible. You will likely find a particular type of shooting that pleases you and then you will need "just the right gun" for that need. That is a collection in itself. Then of course, the .22s will be so much fun, such great practice, and so cheap, that you will want to make sure that your .22 arsenal is sufficient to cover the various types of needs. It is never ending, but it sure is fun. I do suggest that you make sure that the arsenal contains an accurate .22 rifle with scope, and a good .22 semi auto, since those will enable you to do a lot of target practice. Nothing better for practice and fun shooting. Sounds like you live in an environment with shooting immediately available. How wonderful to have a hobby where you can go out and have a good time anytime you choose, practice a useful skill while doing it, and feel proud inside at your sense of self reliance. The lure is inescapable.;)

TWBryan
December 24, 2005, 12:04 AM
What might make it simpler is kind of limit the differents types of ammo you'd have to buy,but I'll try to answer the question.

Shotgun-Mossberg 500 buy a combo with vent rib barrel and interchangeable chokes and a short barrel for defense work. Best bang for the buck available.

.22 rifle- Ruger 10/22- Very customizable should your needs change.

centerfire rifle-Very dependant on the area and types of critters you may run into. My choice- Ak47- very reliable, ammo and mags reasonably cheap,you can add optics with a sidemount. The gun is more accurate than people will give it credit for,ballistically similar to a .30-30. And frankly if I am going to put a hole in something a bigger hole is a better hole.

Centerfire hangun- Most versatile is a .357 magnum- I vote for the Ruger gp100,built like a tank,accurate can be disassembled with little to no tools. Versatile range of power from light .38's to heavy .357 .Adaptable to a good number of different grips and sights. The one gun that can handle a lot of everything.

.22 handgun- Well,if you are going for the Gp100, buy a .22 double action to practice with. My choice,however, is the Ruger MKII auto, very accurate,very reliable, customizable,many aftermarket parts available. I own three wouldn't part with one.

I'd also snag something for pure self-defense- My choice is a Ruger sp101 in 357mag .There may be a better choices out there,I don't know. I just think that simple tools are the most reliable..

Good luck and let us know what you choose.

TWBryan

Chairman Meow
December 24, 2005, 01:49 PM
Wingmaster, 2 choked barrels: 26 in. light contour + 20 in. with rifle sights

Browning A-bolt 30-06, Leupold 3-9x50

Galil, select-fire, 7.62x39, folding stock, ACOG

Para full-size high-cap .45 ACP

S+W Airweight .38 Special +P

Bill2k1
December 24, 2005, 03:37 PM
870
rem 700 in 30-06
glock 19
10/22
22 revolver

cslinger
December 24, 2005, 04:06 PM
As always Dan and I are close to being on the same page. If I had to choose only five.

Bushmaster M4gery A3 (Lots of other options such as .22 uppers etc.)
SIG P220ST .45 ACP
Remington 870 Marine Maggie
Smith and Wesson 638 .38 Special (CCW etc.)
SIG SSG300 Bolt Gun http://www.sigarms.com/products/sauer-ssg3000.asp

I realize the bolt gun suggestion is a little over the top but I would want a good bolty in my group and I want it to be able to take a .22 long rifle conversion as well. The SIG meets both those requirements, abeit at a hefty price. But if I were to tone down to five I think an SSG would be one.

I am all about versatility. My list includes an all the time carry/basic defense gun. A full size dead nuts reliable .45 caliber house gun, a spectacular shotgun, a Bolt gun that can be set up in two calibers for fun or actual hunting use and an EBR that is accurate, cheap to shoot, has every accessory in the world and can also be set up in .22, as well as other calibers if I want.

There you have it my perfect five I guess.

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