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Black Majik
April 4, 2006, 12:50 PM
Crapola Draven... that too bad to hear :(


Hey guys, I can't make it this sunday either. I just got reminded that I made prior plans to go to the LB Gran Prix and completely forgot about it. Sorry guys... next time! :)

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Kevlarman
April 4, 2006, 02:56 PM
Crap Draven, how much did you lose? :(

And the LB Grand Prix is this weekend? Cool, I'll be in/near LB for my cousin's baptismal!

Draven32
April 4, 2006, 06:04 PM
New England Westinghouse Mosin-Nagant M91- sporterized by Bannerman in the '30s
Universal M-1 Carbine with red dot
Marlin (Glenfield) model 60 with scope
Yugo 59/66

250 rounds of .30 carbine (including 100 rounds in Lake City brass)
55 rounds of yugo surplus (NNY headstamp) 7.62x54R
40 rounds of wolf x39
40 rounds of yugo surplus x39 (the stuff on stripper clips)
@150 rounds of winchester Xpert .22

In ammo can with price sticker still on it.

Funny thing is, they left 40 rounds of SA surplus 7.62 NATO- so they knew a little about firearms, and knew the ammo didn't go with any of the rifles.

Kevlarman
April 4, 2006, 06:44 PM
That stinks dude.
Did you give a copy of the serial numbers to the police and everything?
I'd start doing some footwork and searching all the local pawnshops or something.

Where exactly did this happen, anyways?

Draven32
April 4, 2006, 06:58 PM
Still digging for the serial numbers...

Riverside county, CA. Off highway 243 between Banning and Hemet.

Two hours drive away.

Beetle Bailey
April 5, 2006, 10:11 PM
Wow, looks like you guys are dropping like flys. :uhoh: I guess I will cancel this month's shoot, and just schedule one for next month. You guys take care of yourselves until then.

all my rifles were stolen.

Sorry to hear that. When we do the next shoot, you don't have to bring anything - just yourself. ;)

Moonclip
April 6, 2006, 12:33 AM
So no shoot then for sure? I missed the last one and have been awol from thr but I was like 90% sure to be at this one. Oh well, and I was planning on doing the 1911 thing though my 1911's are nowhere near as fancy as some of the stuff you people have.

I plan on just hitting the indoor range Saturday anyways though to try out my newly acquired 380acp Russian Makarov so thats ok. Maybe I'll make one of the Prado shoots eventually too.

Remember, SGVGC will probably be closing soon. We should take advantage while we can.

BTW, sorry Draven to hear of your loss, I've heard the high desert area is a place ripe for that stuff to happen if you are forced to leave guns unattended in such a circumstance. Don't get discouraged and just start rebuilding little by little. I only ever had one gun stolen, but it was a hell of a piece to lose, Colt combat target stainless steel 45acp, I'm still sad about it!

50 Shooter
April 17, 2006, 12:28 PM
May is fast approaching, for those of you that were interested in our May shoot PM me here. Send your email addy I will contact you with the info, my personal email should be back up in a couple days. I'll contact you from my hotmail acct. or if you wish, you can email me there.

ar50shooter@hotmail.com

http://www.daplane.com/50bmg/ds2005/fall/

Black Majik
April 21, 2006, 01:42 PM
The guys at SIGForum are going out for another round of USPSA tomorrow if you guys are interested. Raahauges Range @ 8:30am

http://sigforum.com/groupee/forums/a/tpc/f/320601935/m/295109455

Kevlarman
April 21, 2006, 02:42 PM
Are you going Rich?

The last time I went to a match was a few years ago; I don't think I've got the mettle anymore. :uhoh:

But still, it sounds like fun! Keep in mind, I'm strictly an amateur and only have my CZ75, a few normal cap mags, and I use a USGI M12 universal holster, belt, and mag pouches. None of that fancy kydex stuff here. :D

Black Majik
April 21, 2006, 02:57 PM
James. Most likely, I have to figure a few things out. Send me an email and your phone number. I most likely will be going, I'll let everyone know by tonite whether I'm going for sure or not.

Hey, don't worry, I completely suck at action shooting also :D

Kevlarman
April 21, 2006, 03:15 PM
Sent ya a PM.

Don't know if I'll be able to go tomorrow, but I guess I'll stop by Wal-Mart today at lunch and stock up on some 9mm. Maybe see if they've still got any cheap .223 as well.

Black Majik
April 21, 2006, 11:58 PM
Its on for tomorrow! (saturday april 22)

8:30am Raahauges for the USPSA Match.

Ken, Mike, and James... I sent you guys a text message. Hope you guys can make it! :)

Black Majik
April 22, 2006, 12:12 AM
You guys are fast. See ya all there tomrorow!

Kevlarman
April 22, 2006, 12:25 AM
I'll be there!
I live like 90 miles away, so hopefully leaving at 7am won't be too late. :o

Beetle Bailey
April 22, 2006, 01:10 AM
I will be there, as will my Colt (and also my CZ75B, just in case :p ). Thanks for the heads up, Richard. And James, it will be good to see you again.

Black Majik
April 22, 2006, 02:43 AM
Can we say that this will be insanely fun!!

They're gonna BBQ after the match and bring out the lawnchairs to get ready for the 2nd half of the shoot. LOL. Bring ammo, LOTS and LOTS of ammo :D

Moonclip
April 22, 2006, 03:09 AM
I might have come just to say hello at least especialy since BBQ is around:D but I'll be in TJ having dental work done:mad: Have fun guys, see you eventually.

Kevlarman
April 22, 2006, 11:42 PM
I'm glad I woke up at 6am; today was a blast!

A couple pics before I clean up:

http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/4781/p10602938wn.th.jpg (http://img100.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p10602938wn.jpg) http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/2473/p10603015nn.th.jpg (http://img100.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p10603015nn.jpg)

Also, a video:
Click here to watch USPSA-Shoot---James (http://media.putfile.com/USPSA-Shoot---James)

Black Majik
April 23, 2006, 05:53 AM
Dang.... I am so tired. What the heck am I doing up at close to 3am posting....


What a day, James, Mike and Ken, thanks for coming out guys! We represented the 1911's too the SIG guys! :D

If you guys can, cruise over to the SIGForum,

http://sigforum.com/groupee/forums/a/tpc/f/320601935/m/295109455/p/2

The pictures and comments are all posted there.

James, if you can post all the videos and pictures over there too. I'm definitely looking forward to the videos :D


Hmm... I want a X5, and a P220 Sport, and a FN 5.7 and a STI open gun and... and... and...

Mike and James, hope you guys enjoyed yourselves for your first USPSA shoot. You guys did awesome!

Ken, nice job blowing the head off of the target. LOL.

Til' next time. :)

Kevlarman
April 23, 2006, 04:06 PM
More videos (they vary in size from 5-10MB).

Richard, feel free to post these links over at the SIGForum.

Click here to watch USPSA-Shoot-4-23-06-James-2 (http://media.putfile.com/USPSA-Shoot-4-23-06-James-2)

Click here to watch USPSA-Shoot-4-23-06-James-3 (http://media.putfile.com/USPSA-Shoot-4-23-06-James-3)

Click here to watch USPSA-Shoot-4-23-06-Ken (http://media.putfile.com/USPSA-Shoot-4-23-06-Ken)

Click here to watch USPSA-Shoot-4-23-06-Ken-2 (http://media.putfile.com/USPSA-Shoot-4-23-06-Ken-2)

Click here to watch USPSA-Shoot-4-23-06-Ken-3 (http://media.putfile.com/USPSA-Shoot-4-23-06-Ken-3)

Click here to watch USPSA-Shoot-4-23-06-Richard (http://media.putfile.com/USPSA-Shoot-4-23-06-Richard)

Click here to watch USPSA-Shoot-4-23-06-Richard-2 (http://media.putfile.com/USPSA-Shoot-4-23-06-Richard-2)

Click here to watch USPSA-Shoot-4-23-06-Richard-3 (http://media.putfile.com/USPSA-Shoot-4-23-06-Richard-3)

Click here to watch USPSA-Shoot-4-23-06-Richard-4 (http://media.putfile.com/USPSA-Shoot-4-23-06-Richard-4)

Pointman1776
April 23, 2006, 04:41 PM
Wow...been a long time since I've posted anything here. Looks like I'm missing a lot!

The SIGforum.com SoCal group shoot events are open to everyone who would like to come: friends, family, guests, new shooters, old hands - all are welcome!

To the THR brethren who shot at the March 25th shoot, and yesterday's April 22nd shoot at Jojo Vidanes's Running Gun IPSC club shoot at Raahauge's in Norco - wow, what a blast! We had an absolutely fantastic group of shooters and I have more fun shooting with a fun-loving group of shooters than just about anything else I do. Thanks! I can't wait for the next one!

And I think going forward, I'm going to have TWO separate SoCal SIGforum.com group shoots and ALL are welcomed, even...err...especially ;) THR shooters!

1. SoCal SIGforum open group shoot (non USPSA-style): once every 2-3 months at various ranges around SoCal (Orange County, Los Angeles area), and vary between indoor and outdoor ranges. I think the next one will either be at Oak Tree and shoot their wonderful steel range, or rent a private bay at Burro Canyon or Angeles Shooting Ranges and set up our own paper and steel targets (I'm buying a bunch like BamBam-31's).

2. SoCal SIGforum USPSA shoot: once each month at Jojo's Running Gun IPSC club at Raahauge's in Norco. And every few months, we'll hit an IDPA shoot, and even a night shoot. If you ever really wanted to get your arse handed to you and simulate night time defensive shooting, an IDPA Night Shoot will do it for you. THAT's a real eye-opener for sure. I did one late last year, my first, and I'm STILL smarting from that one.

(By the way, for Jojo's Running Gun IPSC shoot at Raahauge's Norco, they have shoots EACH Saturday, so no need to wait for our group shoots. Just show up, and either Jojo or Jimmy or any of the other squad leads will hook you up with a real friendly and fun-loving squad - you'll have a great time and lots of laughs.)

For more info on IPSC/USPSA & IDPA practical shooting (everything you ever wanted to know from defintions, history, differences, equipment, getting started, tips/tricks, range commands, and links to 90+ FREE video clips (over 1 hour of aggregate video time!), click here: -->
http://sigforum.com/groupee/forums/a/tpc/f/430601935/m/531103825

Some thoughts on yesterday's shoot:

I hate all you skinny guys. Pay no attention to the fatso in the blue shirt with the stogie in the videos (and that's after dropping 15 lbs since end of February...guess I better quit fooling around get serious about exercizing!).

Black Majik brought out one of his Black Majik 1911's and smoked us. Drives his gun as fast as he drives his car (but not as crazy). Few more shoots under your belt and you are really going to leap up in the rankings. :cool: If I don't get off my butt and practice, you are going to hand it to me right quick, mate.

Beetle Bailey, what can I say...it's always the quiet ones you have to watch out for!
(see Exhibit A "point-blank head shot", your honor). Workin' out any issues, my friend? http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c400/ekarnoff/Funny/firedevil.gif
(edit 24-April-06: BB, you are CORRECT sir, Kevlarman's EXCELLENT video shows you approaching the target behind the barrel, putting one through the terrorist's COM A-zone, and then, without hesitation and with extreme prejudice, shoving your muzzle just about right on top of the terrorist target for a head-shot A-zone, and calmly squeezing the trigger like you were pouring yourself a glass of orange juice before sitting down outside in your easy lounge chair and reading the morning paper.)

--> http://sigforum.com/groupee/forums/a/tpc/f/320601935/m/295109455/r/664107855#664107855

BamBam-31: rock solid shooting! Classic LEO/mil form. Scoring your shoots was getting boring: "2 alpha, 2 alpha, 2 alpha..." ;)

Kevlarman: amazing reloads! And thanks for the pics and videos! And I love your CZ 75BD. I regret selling mine and will have buy a new one after shooting yours. A P-01 and SP-01 is also on order. And you are truly living proof that you can shoot stock equipment with whatever wacky holster, belt, and funky mag pouch/holder/carrier/four-pack-31-Flavors-ice-cream-holder thingy and STILL spank the competition. :neener: At some point, it's the Indian, not the arrow. (btw, what video camera and digital camera were you using - those videos are fantastic! And the pics are crystal clear!)

And next shoot, we're gonna settle things with one of these (but armor plated and magnum/high-velocity rated) (on order :)):

https://www.metaltargets.com/Images/DuelingTrees/DuelingTree.gif

Until next time! And spread the word!

Cheers!
Pointman1776 (THR & SIGforum.com)

Kevlarman
April 23, 2006, 09:33 PM
Hey Eyon,

Just wanted to express my thanks for the great time I, and I'm sure everyone else, had yesterday!

It was very gracious of you to provide a whole bunch of guns and equipment, not to mention lunch and drinks!

It was nice meeting everybody, and I hope that we all will be able to do this again some time soon.

Now I have to decide on whether or not I want to continue shooting my CZ75, or step up to .45 and use my Glock 30. :D

Oh yeah, more pics and video to come soon!

as for the cameras, my digital still camera is a Panasonic FZ20 (5 megapixels), and the camcorder is a Canon ZR200 MiniDV. As you stated, it's not really about the equipment, but about how you use it! :)

Beetle Bailey
April 23, 2006, 11:31 PM
Pointman1776 Thanks for introducing USPSA/IPSC to me - I really enjoyed it. I feel lucky to have a really friendly person like you who is good at explaining things to help guide me. Also, thanks for the kabobs and the "after-shoot shoot." You were very generous with your guns and ammo. And I got to meet a very good bunch of people :cool: .

As far as the "head-shot" goes, I shot that "terrorist" once in the chest, and thought "that's boring, the "Alpha zone" is already so shot up it's probably just tape holding up tape." So I fired the second round into the little "Alpha zone" on top :p .

If you are interested in the same exact steel swinger target BamBam-31 brought, I'll try to get a link to the website. IIRC, Mike ordered it online and picked it up at the Costa Mesa gunshow, as they sometimes have a booth set up.

Pointman1776
April 24, 2006, 02:31 AM
Thanks guys! It was my pleasure.

Originally posted by Beetle Bailey:
...thanks for the kaboobs...
Lucky stiff...I only got satay kabobs...http://sigforum.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif http://sigforum.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Beetle Bailey
April 24, 2006, 03:08 AM
Lucky stiff...I only got satay kabobs...

heeheehee. . . I had a notion to open up the big dictionary I keep next to the keyboard, but that sucker is pretty heavy :o . . .

Okay, so now everybody knows that I spell about as well as I shoot: In either case, if I get it on paper, I'm pretty pleased. :uhoh:

Pointman1776
April 24, 2006, 12:24 PM
Originally posted by Beetle Bailey:
As far as the "head-shot" goes, I shot that "terrorist" once in the chest, and thought "that's boring, the "Alpha zone" is already so shot up it's probably just tape holding up tape." So I fired the second round into the little "Alpha zone" on top.

BB, you are CORRECT sir, Kevlarman's EXCELLENT video shows you approaching the target behind the barrel, putting one through the terrorist's COM A-zone, and then, without hesitation and with extreme prejudice, shoving your muzzle just about right on top of the paper for a head-shot A-zone, and calmly squeezing the trigger like you were pouring yourself a glass of orange juice before sitting down outside and reading the morning paper.

Pointman1776
April 24, 2006, 12:32 PM
Originally posted by Kevlarman
Now I have to decide on whether or not I want to continue shooting my CZ75, or step up to .45 and use my Glock 30.
Some unsolicted feedback:
1. Which one do YOU shoot better?
2. Glocks are considered DA trigger firing control systems for the purposes for IPSC and USPSA, and so therefore are eligible for USPSA Production Division.
USPSA Production division scores all Production approved pistols (see the list here on the USPSA website (http://www.uspsa.org/rules/production_list.php)) equally as "Minor" power factor, regardless of caliber used or velocity of ammo. So there is no gaming advantage to shooting a .45ACP.
Now, that said, the foundational roots of practical shooting is to practice with what you would most likely carry, and so, to that end, if you shoot the Glock 30 in .45ACP better or if you would like more practice with the Glock 30 or whatever, then by all means, shoot it!

Bottom line is: bring what you like, and shoot what you bring!

For more info, tips and tricks on practical shooting, click here -->
What is Practical Shooting? IPSC? USPSA? IDPA? Explanation with 90+ free video clips! (http://sigforum.com/groupee/forums/a/tpc/f/430601935/m/531103825)

Cheers!

Pointman1776
April 24, 2006, 12:38 PM
btw, Black Majik, FO front sights ARE allowed in the new SSD.

USPSA NROI Rulings: Fiber optic front and rear in Production and 1911 SS (http://www.uspsa.org/rules/nroi_rulings.php?action=edit&indx=21)

Title: Fiber optic front and rear in Production and 1911 SS
Created: 1/17/06
Updated: 1/24/06
Effective: 1/24/06
Rule number: US Appendix D9 i
Applies to: Pistol
Ruling authority: John Amidon
Status: Released

Question
I have a Glock 34 can I change both front and rear sights? Can they be Dawson Precision sights with fiber optics in front and back. In the provisional single stack rules it says that sights of a post and notch type including fiber front sights are permitted. Does this include fiber rear sights like the ones Dawson makes?

Ruling
Front sights may have fiber optics inserted to the sights on the handgun, you are allowed to change your sights in both divisions, there is only a restriction when changing them, that they must remain of the post and notch type. Therefore, changing the sights to fiber optic front and rear is allowed in both Production and the 1911 SS.

Pointman1776
April 24, 2006, 03:08 PM
Still cleaning...

Where does this part go again??? :confused: :confused: :confused:

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c400/ekarnoff/2A/Parts_640x480.jpg

Kevlarman
April 24, 2006, 07:01 PM
Actually, I think I shoot my Glock and CZ equally well. The only reason I picked the CZ to compete with is because 9mm is a lot cheaper to feed over.45 (and I only have two mags for the Glock).

If I were able to get a CCW here in California, I'd definately be training more with my Glock. Alas, it's not to be. :mad:

Fo now, I suppose I shall stick with the CZ until I get good enough to shoot off a bad guy's thumb at 25 yards (ala Rally Vincent). :neener:

Beetle Bailey
April 25, 2006, 12:16 AM
Still cleaning...


Yeah, I was kinda wondering if you were gonna clean all those guns at the same time. . . :uhoh:

Fo now, I suppose I shall stick with the CZ until I get good enough to shoot off a bad guy's thumb at 25 yards (ala Rally Vincent).

A lot of times, she's doing it at CQB range, but I think the hard part is that the baddies are pointing guns right back at her :eek: .

Hmmm. . . even though I enjoyed using my Colt last time, I can shoot my
CZ75 again next time so you won't feel so lonely.

Kevlarman
April 25, 2006, 12:25 AM
More videos!

I could've sworn I had Mike's video up yesterday...
Notice his dainty walk through no man's land! :neener:
Click here to watch USPSA-Shoot-4-23-06-Mike (http://media.putfile.com/USPSA-Shoot-4-23-06-Mike)

This girl is pretty good!
Click here to watch USPSA-Shoot-4-23-06-Female (http://media.putfile.com/USPSA-Shoot-4-23-06-Female)

I think Eyon should have kept the cigar in his mouth... haha
Click here to watch USPSA-Shoot-4-23-06-Eyon (http://media.putfile.com/USPSA-Shoot-4-23-06-Eyon)

Forget his name, but he's fast!
Click here to watch USPSA-Shoot-4-23-06-Some-Fast-Guy (http://media.putfile.com/USPSA-Shoot-4-23-06-Some-Fast-Guy)

Oscar is pretty good too!
Click here to watch USPSA-Shoot-4-23-06-Oscar (http://media.putfile.com/USPSA-Shoot-4-23-06-Oscar)

Again
Click here to watch USPSA-Shoot-4-23-06-Oscar-2 (http://media.putfile.com/USPSA-Shoot-4-23-06-Oscar-2)

Shooting some steel, plus the Five-SeveN!
Click here to watch USPSA-Shoot-4-23-06-Steel (http://media.putfile.com/USPSA-Shoot-4-23-06-Steel)

These videos should play in just about any browser. It does take a few seconds to connect, and these videos are pretty big so let it load up fully.

Let me know if there are any problems.

Kevlarman
April 25, 2006, 12:59 AM
Enjoy!

http://img190.imageshack.us/img190/8333/p10602020um.th.jpg (http://img190.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p10602020um.jpg) http://img190.imageshack.us/img190/3610/p10602036it.th.jpg (http://img190.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p10602036it.jpg) http://img190.imageshack.us/img190/6514/p10602145uy.th.jpg (http://img190.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p10602145uy.jpg) http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/1784/p10602058fh.th.jpg (http://img259.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p10602058fh.jpg) http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/146/p10602226ow.th.jpg (http://img88.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p10602226ow.jpg) http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/4977/p10602336xo.th.jpg (http://img88.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p10602336xo.jpg) http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/2061/p10602472sw.th.jpg (http://img259.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p10602472sw.jpg) http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/5963/p10602700iq.th.jpg (http://img244.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p10602700iq.jpg) http://img284.imageshack.us/img284/3526/p10602763lt.th.jpg (http://img284.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p10602763lt.jpg) http://img284.imageshack.us/img284/5497/p10602897py.th.jpg (http://img284.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p10602897py.jpg) http://img284.imageshack.us/img284/6108/p10603054zv.th.jpg (http://img284.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p10603054zv.jpg) http://img284.imageshack.us/img284/6126/p10603104zs.th.jpg (http://img284.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p10603104zs.jpg)

Pointman1776
April 25, 2006, 02:12 AM
Dude! You're HIRED!! You are DA man!
Your pics are incredible, and your videos are fantastic!
How'd you catch the flying brass shots? All my shots with my camera come out crazy blurry, and don't even get me started on my video clips.

THANKS!!!

Pointman1776
April 25, 2006, 02:15 AM
Some-Fast-Guy = world famous super squad GrandMaster and multiple world/national/local champion Taran Butler.

Female = Ericka Ramirez. She was a fantastic junior shooter years ago, stopped shooting for many years, and is just now starting to get back into it...and she is coming back with a vengeance. She is awesome, even though she is still shaking out the cobwebs. She's one of my daughters shooting heroes, and they love shooting on whatever squad she's in.

Pointman1776
April 25, 2006, 02:36 AM
Some-Fast-Guy = world famous super squad GrandMaster and multiple world/national/local champion Taran Butler.
He was testing a friend's pistol for the first time, and STILL spanked us even with the glitches. Amazing.

Female = Ericka Ramirez. She was a fantastic junior shooter years ago, stopped shooting for many years, and is just now starting to get back into it...and she is coming back with a vengeance. She is awesome, even though she is still shaking out the cobwebs. She's one of my daughters shooting heroes, and they love shooting on whatever squad she's in.

Kevlarman
April 25, 2006, 02:43 AM
Haha, I just take a crapload of pictures and post the ones that look the best. Captuing flying brass is pure luck!

Thanks for cluing me in as to who the fast guy and female were. ;)

Black Majik
April 25, 2006, 02:58 AM
James,
Awesome pictures and videos. Those are real clear!

Eyon, thanks for looking up the legalities of FO sights. I think it'll be great for faster sight acquisition, but for some reasons I think when I need to shoot steel, I cant really shoot worth beans with a FO sight. I'll have to fiddle with it more to decide whether it'll be beneficial.

Is Mike tip-toeing across the course? That would go real well with the "Pink Panther" theme song :D

I cant wait to do this again!

Pointman1776
April 25, 2006, 03:38 AM
Okay...some initial thoughts (I'm tired and I'll be straight to the point):

I am so IMPRESSED with the safety discipline exhibited by every single shooter. You guys are the class act. I'm fiercely proud to shoot on a squad with all of you, and can't wait to shoot with you guys again!

We have FUN!! I HATE arsepole squads, and this squad has fun. Thanks guys!


Keep moving. I'm doing better at shooting and reloading ON THE MOVE and DON'T STOP. Tactically and strategically an advantage for IPSC/USPSA.
Note: for IDPA = shooting on the move and especially reloading on the move = FTDR (Failure To Do Right) procedural penalties in a big way (must do all that from "cover" position).
Need to work on my reloads.
Need to make sure shooter's gun truly is holstered before turning around.
Need to do a more consistent job declaring range is clear before turning around.
Need to remember that somebody is filming my antics...sorry BamBam-31 and Beetle Bailey - you guys did awesome, just funnin' - sorry if I caused ill feelings.
Need to work on my reloads.
Need to shoot faster.
Need to check my score sheets when you guys are scoring me, because I can't, for the life of me, remember but a couple of no-shoot penalties, and yet on several stages I'm marked with 30 points in penalties - say WHAT?? I think you guys are dockin' me...at least that's my story and I'm stickin' with it.
Oscar shoots my gun better than I do. Unacceptable. AND it was his first time shooting that gun in a match (my second match with that gun, but plenty of range time with it... :( )
I still have a slight flinch with the DE .44Mag...gotta work on that.
Kevlarman is hired. I hope you got to do some shootin'!
Need to work on my draws.
Need to work on my reloads...actually, I need Kevlarman to teach me reloads.
By the way, if you guys want to see some bonkers reloads, check out this vid clip of Travis Tomasie reloading (http://www.doublealpha.biz/images/travis_reload.mpg) (shooting for USArmy Marksman Unit (US AMU)) at the time (clip is 2003 USPSA Open Division Nationals in Oregon):
(hint: don't blink...)
Need to move faster between targets.
I clean shot the Texas Star for the first time ever = YAY!
Accuracy over speed really jumped me up in the rankings from last time. I think, just maybe, there might be something to this "accuracy" thing I keep hearing about.
I probably should stop saying "NICE!!" when a shooter is shooting his stage and just keep my mouth shut...sorry guys! :o
When asking Kevlarman to "point the gun up so I can see inside" I didn't mean point the muzzle up into the sky (big no-no...which he didn't do anyway), I should have said, "keep the gun level (not pointed down to ground) so I can see inside the pistol" to visually ensure pistol is clear. Sorry Kevlarman for any confusion there, mate.
Don't shoot to slide-lock...it wastes time. The idea of starting with a 10-round mag + 1 in the pipe is so you can shoot 5 targets (10 shots), and reload without having to rack/release the slide which takes more time than just reloading and keep shooting.
Need to work on my reloads.
We need to go back out again. Not sure I can wait another month to shoot a match with you guys...man, you really kept me on my toes and showed me quite a few things. Thanks!!
Stage 4 was the classifier, right? If yes = all right baby!!! (more on that in my next post...)
My buddy John simultaneous won AND lost the revolver division...heh heh...I'm gonna tease him for a long time on that one...:evil:
Kevlarman needs to post a vid clip of the famous Beetle Bailey draw...that's CLASSIC! heh heh...:evil:
Need to work on my reloads.
Beetle Bailey is the slide master...nobody slides into home like he does...need to get that guy some cleats...
Beetle Bailey should practice grabbing reload mags from the front to the back.
Beetle Bailey is the master of the low crouch shoot.
I think Beetle Bailey is overthinking his shoots and second guessing his skills...go with your instincts, my friend...and you will rock!
BB needs some anger management
(...whoops...was that outloud?)
I like my new SIGARMS Law Enforcement hat - thanks emilsal!!!
You guys could use some Kydex gear and CRSpeed Hi-Torque belts.
Perhaps a Fiber Optic front sight (red? green? other?) would really help you guys, and dramatically make it easier (--> faster times) to acquire your front sight and engage the targets.
Need to remember to wear my eye protection. DOH!!
Need to work on my reloads.
I wonder if the NROI allows RO's to smoke stogies while running a stage?
Black Majik wants so hard to shoot a clean fast shoot that a slight hiccup in the gameplan appears to cause him to lose focus...trust yourself mate, just keep shooting! Shoot your way through it!
Like this guy...
Steve Anderson(1.8MB) (http://www.doublealpha.biz/images/Steve_anderson.mpg)
It may take a while for Steve to wake up and get in the game, but when he does, watch out.
At this rate, it won't be long before Black Majik starts spankin' me without even breakin' a sweat.
ABearden is a smooth shooter...that's the principal recipe for clean shoots with fast speed. I need to do more of that.
philpan was our resident iceman...nothing phased him...he just kept shooting...that's mental fortitude. I need to do more of that.
H57 was fearless...not sure if he knew what to expect, but he grabbed the bull by the horns and never let go. Greatheart/Braveheart that guy.
BamBam-31 needs to change his name to "BlamBlam-2Alpha". Won't be long before he trusts his speed, shooting stance, and allows himself to start shooting and reloading on the move. Then watch out Black Majik.
emilsal is still the master of the double-tap. Love those splits. Once he figures out his sighting preferences and gets some range time with his Grayguns P226R...whooooo mama, look out.
emilsal brought a "ringer" with Uncle "O" and I feel the fool for assuming it was his first match for the first couple of stages before I realized...wait a second...somethin' ain't right here...he has the style of an old hand at this...sure enough, I was able to learn quite a few things from him...very generous and gracious man and teacher, thanks!
ABearden and philpan loves 'em snake eyes, yessiree. That's fun shootin'.
Need to finish cleaning the guns.
Need to buy more ammo.
Need to buy steel targets like BamBam-31 ... thanks for bring that target, that was great!
Need to work on those damn infernal reloads.


See you guys soon!

Black Majik
April 25, 2006, 03:52 AM
Eyon,

Black Majik wants so hard to shoot a clean fast shoot that a slight hiccup in the gameplan appears to cause him to lose focus...trust yourself mate, just keep shooting! Shoot your way through it!

Thanks for pointing this out. In the videos you can see sometimes it seems as if I had the gun jam on me, so i tap rack and bang. What actually happens (as I figure out AFTER the match) was that I was trying to double tap faster than i should, and I didn't allow the trigger to reset. Therefore, when i pull the trigger the 2nd time, it of course wont fire and I think the gun jammed. Then, Tap, Rack and Bang adds 2 more seconds to my time. :o

At least I know its me and not the gun. :)

Pointman1776
April 25, 2006, 04:06 AM
HC P220 on SIGforum.com wanted to make sure we stretched before our next shoot...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgi2zG8vvNs

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c400/ekarnoff/Funny/firedevil.gif

Pointman1776
April 25, 2006, 04:12 AM
Black Majik wrote:
Is Mike tip-toeing across the course? That would go real well with the "Pink Panther" theme song
I think BlamBlam-2Alpha is learning from this guy, and listening to Tiny Tim in his head...

http://media.putfile.com/IPSC-Jihad (posted by Flork at SIGforum.com)

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c400/ekarnoff/Funny/firedevil.gif

Pointman1776
April 25, 2006, 04:20 AM
By the way, you should check out the reply comments to that video on SIGforum.com:

Thread 1 (http://sigforum.com/groupee/forums/a/tpc/f/430601935/m/657102945)

Thread 2 (http://sigforum.com/groupee/forums/a/tpc/f/320601935/m/842103355)

Beetle Bailey
April 25, 2006, 11:24 PM
BB needs some anger management
(...whoops...was that outloud?)


Well, WRT the "terrorist" losing his top, you just never know when he's wearing body armor. . . :uhoh: :p

(At least, that's my story and I'm sticking to it!) :neener:

Pointman1776
April 26, 2006, 03:31 AM
Running Gun IPSC / GenX Match Results - 04/22/2006

http://nrg.jvdynamics.com/nrg/match_results/match_disp.php?match=20060422&club=NRG

Note: click here Section 8. Getting started (finding a match, gearing

up, tips, tricks, reading/analyzing match results, etc.) (http://sigforum.com/groupee/forums/a/tpc/f/430601935/m/531103825/r/491103825#491103825) (scroll down) to learn how to read the results and headings from left to right.
I also usually track for comparative analysis the top shooter for each stage in Open and the class I shoot in and bold their classification as a visual reference.
Since we had 4 shooters in Limited 10 as well as 6 shooters in Production, I've included/bolded the top Shooter, top Limited 10 shooter, and top Production shooter for each

stage and overall.

And philpan was somehow categorized in Limited 10 even though he was shooting a P229R (which is universally considered a Production division pistol because of the DA/SA

trigger system) which unfortunately put him against some faster pistols, but allowed him to score Major since he was shooting .40.
Interesting.
philpan - conscious strategic decision or accident? Inquiring minds want to know!

So I was reviewing these scores last night and was trying to figure out how, for the life of me, did I get so many penalties?
I can't remember shooting that many no-shoot targets or shooting the targets in the wrong order or from the wrong position/port, or obtaining procedural errors, etc.
Maybe you guys are plotting against me and secretly marking the "no-shoot" or "procedural" boxes on my score sheet when I'm not looking to dock my scores?
So I did some more reading last night, and learned that even a "mike" is assessed a 10-point penalty. :eek: YIKES!
So not only do you NOT get the points because of the miss (no Alpha, Bravo, Charlie, or even a Delta point(s)), you get a zero MINUS ANOTHER 10 points for each miss!!
The stage has a total number of rounds expected (remember like 12T, 2P, 4PP, 30 rounds, Comstock?), and not obtaining the expected number of rounds is a -10 point

penalty for each round less than the total expected.
And if you hit a no-shoot, that's ANOTHER -10 points.
In other words, two alphas = 2 x +5 points = +10 points.
But just 1 mike + No-Shoot = 2 x -10 points each = -20 points, which is a 30 point differential!!!
Even two deltas = 2 x +1 point = +2 points is far superior to -20 points (22 point differential).
So those misses can REALLY add up quick and bury you! Especially if it's a mike/No-Shoot combo = that's a real killer.

I think the lessons learned here is:
a) accuracy: make sure you have all the required shots on each target, no misses (usually two holes per target), even if you have to slow down your shooting a little to make

sure you get those shots on target, and
b) if you aren't sure if you got two shots on the target, probably best to put another shot on the target because the 10-point mike penalty is going to hurt much worse than

the tiny bit of extra time it takes to put another shot on the target,
c) make sure you engage all the targets (no skipped/missed targets), and
d) don't hit whitey.

Okay, moving on...

Just some quick thoughts on the overall standings as we didn't get a chance to shoot Stage 5 and our ranking/scores are therefore artifically lower than they would have

otherwise been.

Final Standings
Overall - All Divisions Scored Together
1 CHEESMAN, HENRY L2335 GM Open Major N N N N 673.0097 100.00%
3 BUTLER, TARAN L2354 GM Limited 10 Major N N N N 633.7297 94.16%
46 JONES, CHRIS Pen U Production Minor N N N N 338.1142 50.24%
66 BUMANGLAG, OSCAR U Production Minor N N N N 226.5506 33.66%
67 KARNOFF, EYON A55472 U Production Minor N N N N 218.6008 32.48%
75 LAM, MIKE U Limited 10 Major N N N N 171.2134 25.44%
78 CHANG, RICHARD U Limited 10 Major N N N N 162.2056 24.10%
79 ROBILLOS, JAMES U Production Minor N N N N 159.4860 23.70%
82 BEARDEN, ARTHUR U Production Minor N N N N 143.2253 21.28%
83 LEE, KEN U Limited 10 Major N N N N 118.0609 17.54%
85 PANGILINAN, PHIL U Limited 10 Major N N N N 52.7938 7.84%
87 YU, HEINDRICK U Production Minor N N N N 26.6704 3.96%
88 SALONGA, EMIL U Production Minor N N N N 20.7944 3.09%

Analysis:

Taran and Henry are among the world's best. That's the benchmark guys.
Nevermind the rankings for our squad; again - we did not get a chance to shoot Stage 5
Also note that Taran was shooting a friend's single stack for the first time as a favor to test it out for his friend. Single stack. First time. The man is fast.
And interestingly, Henry shoots a Caspian framed wide-body double-stack 1911 race gun because the frame is slightly smaller than the traditional STI or SV frame and fits

his hands better. (I have long fingers and prefer the STI and SVI frames). Three-time back-to-back-to-back IPSC World Champion Eric Grauffel of France ALSO shoots a

smaller framed pistol, a Tanfoglio Witness race gun (http://www.bawo-custom-guns.de/pic/Tafo/racerII_1mid.jpg), and seems to do just fine with it as well.
So to answer the question once and for all: shoot what YOU shoot best. Ignore everyone else. Period.
Note: Oscar shot my pistol better than I did. Unacceptable. AND that was his FIRST time shooting a SIG in competition, and not only was it his FIRST time even seeing

my pistol, we actually changed pistols on him after the first stage or two from the LTT P226ST-9mm to the Grayguns P226ST-9mm. This was my second match with that

pistol although I've had plenty of range time with it and he spanked me soundly. Unacceptable. Uncle "O" is not allowed to shoot on our squad anymore.
Oh, by the way: Jojo's Running Gun IPSC club is NOT your normal USPSA club. So many shooters go on to win National and World Championship Titles who

shoot/practice here EVERY SATURDAY that it's almost unfair to compare our little squad's results with theirs. However, that said, there are three HUGE advantages that

easily outweigh any ego bruising caused by shooting with them. A) You get to see them in action and learn from their styles, strategies, tactics, approaches, etc. B) They

will answer any question you have and help you in anyway they can to help you become a better shooter. C) You get a sense of the benchmark required to play at that level

and it gives you a fantastic brass ring to shoot for. Besides, most of them are comics on the side and it's a lot of laughs to hear them joke with each other, tease each other,

and have a great time.
(P.S. They are also fortified by Uncle Mike's special barbeque yummy eats, and that can only help!)


Lessons Learned:

I need more practice. NRG again this weekend anyone?
I got a chance to talk to Taran at lunch during the barbeque (is that some great yummy eats from Uncle Mike's grill or what!), and totally out of the blue asked him (no

idea where it came from) if he would be willing to run a clinic for us new shooters one Saturday at the match when he's not training/preparing for a big match.
Not only did he say "sure" but he said we should probably have it at his private ranch + range in the Simi Valley! [Austin Powers]eeYeah, baaby![/Austin Powers]
I'll email him this week and get more info, so stayed tuned for more info (pricing, dates, pre-requisites, separate thread, etc.).
By the way, Taran specializes in Limited and Limited 10 divisions, shoots 1911's exclusively (for all you 1911 nuts) and will be adding Single Stack division to his competition

schedule this year.

Pointman1776
April 26, 2006, 03:32 AM
>>Stage 1: MEDIUM RANGE
Overall
Place Name No. Class Division Pts Pen Time Hit Fact Stg Pts Stg %
1 BANTA, TONY 92 B Open 120 0 14.24 8.4270 100.00%
2 BUTLER, TARAN 81 GM Limited 10 118 0 14.34 8.2287 97.65%
59 BUMANGLAG, OSCAR 76 U Production 108 10 31.10 3.1511 37.39%
62 BEARDEN, ARTHUR 87 U Production 112 10 32.65 3.1240 37.07%
63 CHANG, RICHARD 78 U Limited 10 112 10 33.03 3.0881 36.65%
66 LAM, MIKE 75 U Limited 10 123 0 42.37 2.9030 34.45%
70 KARNOFF, EYON 80 U Production 103 30 29.93 2.4390 28.94%
72 ROBILLOS, JAMES 79 U Production 95 20 32.17 2.3314 27.67%
78 LEE, KEN 73 U Limited 10 113 20 49.05 1.8960 22.50%
82 PANGILINAN, PHIL 85 U Limited 10 106 10 66.87 1.4356 17.04%
86 SALONGA, EMIL 74 U Production 81 60 38.34 0.5477 6.50%
88 YU, HEINDRICK 86 U Production 74 70 84.74 0.0472 0.56%

Limited 10
Place Name No. Class Division Pts Pen Time Hit Fact Stg Pts Stg %
1 BUTLER, TARAN 81 GM Limited 10 118 0 14.34 8.2287 100.00%
12 CHANG, RICHARD 78 U Limited 10 112 10 33.03 3.0881 37.53%
13 LAM, MIKE 75 U Limited 10 123 0 42.37 2.9030 35.28%
16 LEE, KEN 73 U Limited 10 113 20 49.05 1.8960 23.04%
18 PANGILINAN, PHIL 85 U Limited 10 106 10 66.87 1.4356 17.45%

Production
Place Name No. Class Division Pts Pen Time Hit Fact Stg Pts Stg %
1 MC COURT, MATT 37 C Production 117 0 26.66 4.3886 100.00%
4 BUMANGLAG, OSCAR 76 U Production 108 10 31.10 3.1511 71.80%
7 BEARDEN, ARTHUR 87 U Production 112 10 32.65 3.1240 71.18%
8 KARNOFF, EYON 80 U Production 103 30 29.93 2.4390 55.58%
10 ROBILLOS, JAMES 79 U Production 95 20 32.17 2.3314 53.12%
15 SALONGA, EMIL 74 U Production 81 60 38.34 0.5477 12.48%
16 YU, HEINDRICK 86 U Production 74 70 84.74 0.0472 1.08%

Analysis: Ah, the infamous head-shot stage.

Most people dropped points because there were two targets which were partially painted black to represent hard cover, and they seemed to psychologically cause people

to skip over them (sometimes the mind only looks for certain shapes/colors and skips/ignores the rest).
Uncle "O", ABearden, Black Majik, and BamBam-31 (aka BlamBlam-2Alpha) all shot better than me, and therefore are not allowed to shoot on our squad anymore.
philpan shot more accurately and had less penalties, and therefore is not allowed to shoot on our squad anymore.
I was about 1 second faster than Uncle O, and we scored about the same hits (103 vs. his 108), but I dropped 3 mikes (-30 points) and he only dropped 1 mike (-10

points) and so, bang, just like that, he jumps 11 places ahead of me. I had a mike + a no shoot, so I guess I had another mike somewhere on the range. Bummer.
ABearden was almost as fast, more accurate (112 pts), only dropped 1 mike, and also spanked me. His up close CQB work (tight snake eyes to the head (see pic)) is first

rate. Since this was his first match, I'll say "beginner's luck" and feel better about it.
Black Majik and ABearden are in a virtual stastical dead even tie: 112 pts each, 1 mike each (-10 pts each), but ABearden was just 0.4 seconds faster and edged ahead of

Black Majik in the standings. Folks, 0.4 seconds is NOTHING...a slight faster reload, a slightly quicker hit on steel, one shot on a steel plate instead of two, etc. That's all it

takes.
Also remember the scoring advantage for shooting "major": Alphas are 5 pts for both Maj and Min, but Bravos are 4 pts Maj but only 3 pts Min, and Charlies are 3 pts Maj

but only 2 pts Min, and Deltas are 2 pts Major but only 1 pt Minor. So it's possible that a Min shooter a Maj shooter have the same time, same number of alphas, charlies,

deltas, etc, but the Maj shooter will win, as it should be, for shooting higher momentum ammo. Note also that in Production, there is no "Major" scoring...regardless of

caliber, it's all counted equally as "Minor".
Note that even though ABearden was shooting .40, he was in Production and so was scored as Minor, and Black Majik was shooting Lim10 with .45 and allowed to make

Major, so in order for them to get the same score, ABearden had to have more alphas/charlies than Black Majik.
BlamBlam-2Alpha (aka BamBam-31), true to form, scored the HIGHEST out of all of us (123 pts), in fact, 123 points was THE HIGHEST SCORE of that stage, AND he had a

clean shoot (no mikes), and so even though I was more than TWELVE (12) SECONDS FASTER (30% faster), he still spanked me silly and placed 4 positions higher than me.

Nice job!

Funny thing, in the video, you see that BB-2A skipped that one partial hardcover black-painted target as he went on to shoot the final three targets on the far left and then the

steel plate through the port with the last bullet in the gun, went to slide lock, stood up to start to unload and show clear, when I pointed out that he skipped the partial

hardcover black-painted target on the right, so BB-2A reloaded, engaged, placed two shots on target, and then unloaded and showed clear and holstered to complete his run.
What would have happened if he didn't take those extra SIX seconds for two more shots and instead saved the six seconds and accepted the two mikes?
Time drops to 36.37, Pts drop to 113 (assume he didn't get his usual 2 alphas so 2 x -5 pts = -10 pts), with -20 pts MORE for getting 2 mikes = adjusted 93, then divide by

time (93/36.37) = 2.5571 hit factor.
A 2.5571 hit factor would have put him in 69th place, instead of 66th place.

Now, what if that happened to Uncle "O", but say, only a 3 second delay (didn't need to reload, just two shots on last target)? 108 pts drops to 78 adjusted for the 2 mikes,

time drops to 28.1 = 78/28.1 = 2.7758 hit factor = 69th place instead of 59th place.
Wow. Big drop.

Kevlarman had some awesome reloads and decent double taps, as his low time shows, and even though he only had 2 mikes, he didn't get as many Alphas as he needed

to jump up in standings. His reloads and smooth and fast style still pushed him up the ladder. He'll need to get more alphas to move up.
Even though Beetle Bailey one of the top scores of the stage (113 pts but 2 mikes and so most likely did not engage that last partial target), the famous "Beetle Bailey

Partial Mozambique" (one to the chest (instead of 2) and one to the head (with extreme prejudice)) makes his time irrelevant, I believe. ;) I'm tellin' you, it's the quiet ones.
philpan ALSO scored very well (106 pts), and only had 1 mike, and for his first shoot ever, a respectable time. He, too, should be shooting very well very soon.
emilsal: I really feel bad for emilsal on this stage. He NAILED all four opening steel pepper poppers faster than any of us AND with only 4 shots (no extra shots needed),

and was moving well through the stage when the gun FTExtract/Eject causing a bad double-feed jam / gun malfunction halfway through the stage. So even though we all

agreed to have him reshoot (normally that's just too bad during a sanctioned match, but for us...who cares), the problem is that kind of issue will throw anyone off their

game, and it is so frustrating to have to reshoot a stage, ESPECIALLY when you were in the zone the first time around, and to have to mentally refocus and block all that

baggage out for the reshoot. I feel DOUBLY bad because it was my prized LTT P226ST-9mm that he was shooting. I feel TRIPLY bad because he asked to try the LTT this

time around instead of the Grayguns P226ST-9mm that he shot at the previous match a few weeks ago because THE SAME THING happend to him with the Grayguns

P226ST-9mm last time. I've posted in the armorer's section a plea for help, and got some fantastic advice, including a reply from Bruce. I'm going to take both slides and

extractors apart again, double and triple check them to make sure there is no blockage and all the pieces are functioning correctly, are the correct shape, are the right

version for the right caliber from the factory, etc. And if we still have problems, then it's time for one of the newer designed P226 external extractor designs/kits. For more

info, click here (http://sigforum.com/groupee/forums/a/tpc/f/150601935/m/841101355). So a couple of extra shots on the opening pepper poppers on the re-shoot

probably led him to believe that he had to "make up" some lost time as compared to his first run, and even though his time was indeed pretty good with some great

double-taps, the expense of rushing the second shot to save time contributed to more mikes and a lower score in the final analysis. Perhaps slowing down just a tad, and

getting those second shots on paper, should really jump his scores up, as evidenced by BamBam-31's slow time but relatively high placement.
I think I'm going to call H57 our slow-and-steady tortoise-and-the-hare shooter. Nothing phased the guy. Just quietly went about doing his job. He appears to be a

careful shooter (took his time to do the job right), but is such a nice gentleman that he didn't want to hurt the target's feelings, and so just fired warning shots which were

ungratefully scored by uncaring RO's as 7 mikes. He's a misunderstood shooter, that's all. We'll cure him of that right quick. Manners after the beep? Out the window,

mate. COMMENCE FIRING! Maybe Beetle Bailey, our other shy shooter, can give us lessons in extreme prejudice close quarters battle (EP-CQB) to break us out of our molds.

Now: Taran: Lim 10, single stack, first time shooting his friend's pistol testing it out for him = 14.34 seconds, which was just 0.1 second behind the winning score, and

118 pts (vs. Tony's 120 pts), for 2nd place. With ZERO mikes. There's our benchmark, folks.
He was more than TWICE as fast as me, was MORE ACCURATE than me, and...to rub it in...had ZERO mikes (to my 3 mikes).
Give the guy a dirt clod and he'll beat me all up and down the range with it.
(...note...to...self... -- ... practice...practice...practice...practi...)
Taran also holds the distinction of obtaining his GrandMaster ranking status faster than any other shooter in history, 13 months, from the time of his first shoot to the time

he qualified GrandMaster.


Lessons Learned: Even if we have to slow down to avoid mikes and get more Alphas, it's worth it. Speed will come later.

Pointman1776
April 26, 2006, 03:33 AM
>>Stage 2: WHICH PORT FIRST?
Overall
Place Name No. Class Division Pts Pen Time Hit Fact Stg Pts Stg %
1 CHEESMAN, HENRY 52 GM Open 122 0 10.18 11.9843 100.00%
5 BUTLER, TARAN 81 GM Limited 10 116 0 11.25 10.3111 86.04%
43 BUMANGLAG, OSCAR 76 U Production 120 0 22.28 5.3860 44.94%
67 BEARDEN, ARTHUR 87 U Production 91 10 28.20 2.8723 23.97%
72 LAM, MIKE 75 U Limited 10 118 0 43.52 2.7114 22.62%
74 KARNOFF, EYON 80 U Production 108 30 29.93 2.6061 21.75%
75 ROBILLOS, JAMES 79 U Production 90 20 29.71 2.3561 19.66%
78 LEE, KEN 73 U Limited 10 114 10 46.30 2.2462 18.74%
81 CHANG, RICHARD 78 U Limited 10 97 30 34.63 1.9347 16.14%
84 PANGILINAN, PHIL 85 U Limited 10 83 40 36.79 1.1688 9.75%
85 SALONGA, EMIL 74 U Production 99 30 68.47 1.0077 8.41%
87 YU, HEINDRICK 86 U Production 86 20 93.07 0.7091 5.92%

Limited 10
Place Name No. Class Division Pts Pen Time Hit Fact Stg Pts Stg %
1 BUTLER, TARAN 81 GM Limited 10 116 0 11.25 10.3111 100.00%
15 LAM, MIKE 75 U Limited 10 118 0 43.52 2.7114 26.30%
16 LEE, KEN 73 U Limited 10 114 10 46.30 2.2462 21.78%
17 CHANG, RICHARD 78 U Limited 10 97 30 34.63 1.9347 18.76%
19 PANGILINAN, PHIL 85 U Limited 10 83 40 36.79 1.1688 11.34%

Production
Place Name No. Class Division Pts Pen Time Hit Fact Stg Pts Stg %
1 JONES, CHRIS 14 U Production 110 0 19.45 5.6555 100.00%
2 BUMANGLAG, OSCAR 76 U Production 120 0 22.28 5.3860 95.23%
8 BEARDEN, ARTHUR 87 U Production 91 10 28.20 2.8723 50.79%
10 KARNOFF, EYON 80 U Production 108 30 29.93 2.6061 46.08%
11 ROBILLOS, JAMES 79 U Production 90 20 29.71 2.3561 41.66%
15 SALONGA, EMIL 74 U Production 99 30 68.47 1.0077 17.82%
16 YU, HEINDRICK 86 U Production 86 20 93.07 0.7091 12.54%

Analysis:

Kevlarman shot faster than me and had less penalties and therefore is not allowed to shoot on our squad anymore.
Beetle Bailey and H57 also consistently had less penalties than me, and therefore are not allowed to shoot on our squad anymore.
emilsal shot my LTT P226ST-9mm better than I could, and therefore is not allowed to shoot on our squad anymore.
The Uncle "O" Factor again takes the stage win for our squad. How? Watch Kevlarman's excellent video of his shoot. Very smooth. Never stopped moving, even

shooting while pulling/moving back away from the targets on the right side to engage targets through the other ports. Nice double taps. Accurate (120 pts, the highest for

our squad), and fast, six seconds faster than the 2nd place shooter on our squad, and zero mikes. Smooth reloads...not blazingly fast, but smoooooooth. (...he's a smooth

operator...) Nice!
But you can't shoot on our squad anymore, so there.
ABearden again had a solid score, only 1 mike, smooth fast time, and presto...#2 place on the squad again. NICE!
But you can't shoot on our squad anymore, either, so there.
BlamBlam-2Alpha had one of the top scores of the stage, even 2 points higher than Taran, with zero mikes. Bump his speed up (over time), and he'll rocket to the top.
I had 30 points in penalties??? I liked this stage! How did I three mikes? I demand a recount.
Kevlarman was actually 0.2 seconds faster than me, and even had 1 less mike, but my accuracy helped me stay just one place ahead of him. Whew!!
Beetle Bailey: again, good scores, only 1 mike, but takes his time.
Watching the video of Black Majik on this one shows that he tried a different approach to taking out the steel and paper targets...which cost him some time during the

extra transitions. He tried to make up for that time with faster shots and double-taps, but at the expensive of accuracy, which ultimately led only to a lower score.
philpan had a very good time, shows comfort with the pistol and sport, but it appears he is focusing perhaps too much on speed rather than accuracy (83 pts and 4 mikes)
I can't remember what happened here with emilsal and H57, I suspect this is where we had a couple of equipment jams again.
Again, Taran: very accurate (116 pts), zero mikes, and twice as fast as Uncle O and THREE TIMES faster than me.


Lessons Learned:Target acquisition strategy, reload strategy, movement, and accuracy over speed were the keys to this stage.

Pointman1776
April 26, 2006, 03:35 AM
>>Stage 3: SEMI CLOSE QUARTERS
Overall
Place Name No. Class Division Pts Pen Time Hit Fact Stg Pts Stg %
1 BUTLER, TARAN 81 GM Limited 10 102 0 11.23 9.0828 100.00%
2 ARREDONDO, RALPH 61 M Open 102 0 11.39 8.9552 98.60%
47 BUMANGLAG, OSCAR 76 U Production 100 0 24.67 4.0535 44.63%
51 KARNOFF, EYON 80 U Production 106 0 27.34 3.8771 42.69%
57 LAM, MIKE 75 U Limited 10 108 0 29.66 3.6413 40.09%
71 BEARDEN, ARTHUR 87 U Production 87 10 29.57 2.6040 28.67%
76 ROBILLOS, JAMES 79 U Production 96 30 28.22 2.3388 25.75%
80 CHANG, RICHARD 78 U Limited 10 94 30 30.62 2.0901 23.01%
81 LEE, KEN 73 U Limited 10 90 30 35.40 1.6949 18.66%
85 PANGILINAN, PHIL 85 U Limited 10 79 50 32.27 0.8987 9.89%
86 YU, HEINDRICK 86 U Production 86 30 63.35 0.8840 9.73%
87 SALONGA, EMIL 74 U Production 66 60 41.77 0.1436 1.58%

Limited 10
Place Name No. Class Division Pts Pen Time Hit Fact Stg Pts Stg %
1 BUTLER, TARAN 81 GM Limited 10 102 0 11.23 9.0828 100.00%
10 LAM, MIKE 75 U Limited 10 108 0 29.66 3.6413 40.09%
16 CHANG, RICHARD 78 U Limited 10 94 30 30.62 2.0901 23.01%
17 LEE, KEN 73 U Limited 10 90 30 35.40 1.6949 18.66%
19 PANGILINAN, PHIL 85 U Limited 10 79 50 32.27 0.8987 9.89%

Production
Place Name No. Class Division Pts Pen Time Hit Fact Stg Pts Stg %
1 BUMANGLAG, OSCAR 76 U Production 100 0 24.67 4.0535 100.00%
2 KARNOFF, EYON 80 U Production 106 0 27.34 3.8771 95.65%
7 BEARDEN, ARTHUR 87 U Production 87 10 29.57 2.6040 64.24%
10 ROBILLOS, JAMES 79 U Production 96 30 28.22 2.3388 57.70%
15 YU, HEINDRICK 86 U Production 86 30 63.35 0.8840 21.81%
16 SALONGA, EMIL 74 U Production 66 60 41.77 0.1436 3.54%


Analysis:

Again, Uncle O shot smooth, clean, and fast for the squad win.
I finally shot a clean stage, which really helped my scores. I was slightly more accurate than Uncle O (106 vs. 100 pts), both had clean shoots (no mikes), but I was 2.5 seconds slower than Uncle O so he placed a few places above me. After my shoot, a couple of guys asked why I shot 3 rounds instead of two rounds on two of the targets.
I answered because I thought that one of my shots was a Charlie, instead of a second Alpha, so I made a conscious decision to fire another quick follow-up round to make up for the bad shot without loosing too much time. As it turned out, one target had 3 alphas (one of the shots was really close to the Charlie line but still an alpha...I thought I hit the Charlie as I was shooting it), and the other target had 2 Alphas and a Delta, so that follow-up shot saved me from 6 points and instead gave me 10 points, which was worth the 0.3 seconds or so it took to fire a follow-up shot. Follow-up shots are sometimes NOT advantageous, so you have to be strategic about when to use this approach because sometimes it can actually lead to a net-loss in points rather than a net-gain.
BlamBlam-2Alpha: well, just more of the same (with a twist). 6th highest score of the stage of 88 shooters, clean shoot (zero mikes), blah blah blah. But...twist...he added some speed! BB-2A was just 2 seconds slower than me, and was hot on our heals. Accuracy is what got all three of us that high, and then the secondary factor of speed was the only thing that separated the Uncle "O" Factor, BB-2A and me.
ABearden shot a pretty clean stage, 1 mike, but perhaps the longer shots are what is causing the lower scores. Nice time though.
Kevlarman had 3 mikes, a nice time, and a nice score. His draw and reloads are really helping him through to compensate for less accuracy.
Black Majik also had 3 mikes. This is also the stage where the video shows he had a couple of glitches (not sure if pistol slide/battery issue or ammo feed issue with the SWC bullets through a barrel that might not be properly throated to accept/feed SWC's, or if it was operator error short stroking the trigger trying to shoot too fast without letting the trigger all the way out. Regardless, he looks visibly disappointed towards the end of the stage (posture changes, is no longer driving the gun hard through the stage like he usually does), and that hurts his time, and probably distracts his mind from seeing that last partial target.
Beetle Bailey also had 3 mikes, but a decent score, and a faily decent time. What if he took an extra half second to line up his shots to get 2 alphas and a charlie instead of 3 mikes? Time goes to 36.9 and Pts jump to 107, so 107/36.9 = 2.8997 hit factor = 68th place instead of 81st. HUUUUUUUGE jump!
philpan had a pretty good run, it seems: nice time, but 5 mikes slipped him down from where he otherwise probably could have been. Also note that philpan had a squib load malfunction which could have been disasterous. And even though I IMMEDIATELY shouted "SQUIB! SQUIB! SQUIB!", he was already ahead of me with finger off the trigger, racking the slide back, dropping the mag, and trying to clear the stuck casing like an old pro. IMPRESSIVE safety discipline! We finally rammed the slide back into battery with the extractor slipping over the casing, and forcing the slide backward to eject the round. Upon inspection, the primer was struck and ignited, but the bullet never left the casing, which means probably no gunpowder in this round. This is factory ammo, not a reload. Proof you can never be complacent just because you are shooting "factory" ammo, pistols, gear, whatever - it's all prone to errors and glitches. Better to practice clearing those kinds of problems on the range in a match than in "real life".
H57: easy does it approach shows only 3 mikes on a stage that forces the shooter to contort their bodies to shoot around from a barricade. Nice shoot!
emilsal: if I recall correctly, the gun jammed on emil again this stage, adding precious seconds to his time while trying to clear the jam, and then throwing him off his game for the rest of the stage. Once he gets his pistol back from Grayguns, and gets it sighted for his left-eye dominance (and maybe slow down his double-taps just a bit for more control on that 2nd shot), he is going to burn his way up the rankings.


Lessons Learned: THIS stage, and the "what if" recalc's, truly brought home to me to slooooooooooow down, focus, hit those alphas, and shoot

clean (no mikes)!!!

Pointman1776
April 26, 2006, 03:36 AM
>>Stage 4: MADNESS 03-08
Overall
Place Name No. Class Division Pts Pen Time Hit Fact Stg Pts Stg %
1 HOLLAND, KEITH 60 GM Open 70 0 6.89 10.1597 100.00%
9 QUAN, PETER 7 A Limited 10 69 0 8.63 7.9954 78.70%
38 KARNOFF, EYON 80 U Production 64 0 12.41 5.1571 50.76%
40 BUMANGLAG, OSCAR 76 U Production 66 0 13.71 4.8140 47.38%
52 ROBILLOS, JAMES 79 U Production 60 0 15.06 3.9841 39.21%
54 CHANG, RICHARD 78 U Limited 10 60 10 12.74 3.9246 38.63%
66 LEE, KEN 73 U Limited 10 66 0 22.18 2.9757 29.29%
69 LAM, MIKE 75 U Limited 10 61 20 15.43 2.6572 26.15%
74 BEARDEN, ARTHUR 87 U Production 61 20 23.76 1.7256 16.98%
78 PANGILINAN, PHIL 85 U Limited 10 57 30 23.44 1.1519 11.34%
82 YU, HEINDRICK 86 U Production 27 70 22.77 0.0000 0.00%
82 SALONGA, EMIL 74 U Production 44 60 16.67 0.0000 0.00%

Limited 10
Place Name No. Class Division Pts Pen Time Hit Fact Stg Pts Stg %
1 QUAN, PETER 7 A Limited 10 69 0 8.63 7.9954 100.00%
10 CHANG, RICHARD 78 U Limited 10 60 10 12.74 3.9246 49.09%
13 LEE, KEN 73 U Limited 10 66 0 22.18 2.9757 37.22%
14 LAM, MIKE 75 U Limited 10 61 20 15.43 2.6572 33.23%
18 PANGILINAN, PHIL 85 U Limited 10 57 30 23.44 1.1519 14.41%

Production
Place Name No. Class Division Pts Pen Time Hit Fact Stg Pts Stg %
1 KARNOFF, EYON 80 U Production 64 0 12.41 5.1571 100.00%
2 BUMANGLAG, OSCAR 76 U Production 66 0 13.71 4.8140 93.35%
5 ROBILLOS, JAMES 79 U Production 60 0 15.06 3.9841 77.25%
12 BEARDEN, ARTHUR 87 U Production 61 20 23.76 1.7256 33.46%
14 YU, HEINDRICK 86 U Production 27 70 22.77 0.0000 0.00%
14 SALONGA, EMIL 74 U Production 44 60 16.67 0.0000 0.00%

Analysis: This was a classifier. It was seven targets with severely overlapping "no-shoots" leaving very little target exposed, requiring one hit each, a mandatory reload, and then another pass of one hit each.

I choke on classifiers. But it all went right for me this day, and I got the high production score. This will really help me as I work to move my classification up to the next level or two. Production high doesn't mean much when it's 38th place overall and 50.7% of the winning hit factor, but it's a huge personal breakthrough for me and I'm quite happy.
Uncle O - solid as ever.
Kevlarman, another clean shoot.
Black Majik - 1 mike (but no "no-shoots"), and a great time kept him in the hunt.
Beetle Bailey: clean shoot but REALLY slowed down to make sure he didn't hit any white "no-shoots"...he could probably trust his skills a little more and pick up the pace a little.
BlamBlam-2alpha: typical of many solid shooters. Smoke any stage on the range, but come to a classifier and it all goes out the window. I've been doing that for years. I feel for you. I do.
ABearden, philpan, H57, and emilsal: ditto. Solid shooting on every single other stage, but mention "classifier" and "lots of overlapping white "no-shoots" and the best of us get wobbly. I think classifiers are more "mental" then anything else.


Lessons Learned: Slow down, control the trigger and front sight, and remember the fundamentals as THAT is what classifiers do: force you to remember the basics.

Pointman1776
April 26, 2006, 03:38 AM
>>Stage 6: TEXAS STAR
Overall
Place Name No. Class Division Pts Pen Time Hit Fact Stg Pts Stg %
1 CAMP, JASON 17 B Open 121 0 15.39 7.8622 100.00%
6 BUTLER, TARAN 81 GM Limited 10 122 0 18.14 6.7255 85.54%
38 KARNOFF, EYON 80 U Production 123 0 29.47 4.1737 53.09%
61 ROBILLOS, JAMES 79 U Production 115 0 45.32 2.5375 32.27%
62 CHANG, RICHARD 78 U Limited 10 110 20 35.89 2.5077 31.90%
65 BUMANGLAG, OSCAR 76 U Production 108 20 38.62 2.2786 28.98%
68 LAM, MIKE 75 U Limited 10 131 0 61.91 2.1160 26.91%
75 LEE, KEN 73 U Limited 10 122 10 78.36 1.4293 18.18%
77 BEARDEN, ARTHUR 87 U Production 101 30 54.66 1.2989 16.52%
84 YU, HEINDRICK 86 U Production 91 40 115.64 0.4410 5.61%
85 PANGILINAN, PHIL 85 U Limited 10 74 110 78.06 0.0000 0.00%
85 SALONGA, EMIL 74 U Production 71 80 80.00 0.0000 0.00%

Limited 10
Place Name No. Class Division Pts Pen Time Hit Fact Stg Pts Stg %
1 BUTLER, TARAN 81 GM Limited 10 122 0 18.14 6.7255 100.00%
13 CHANG, RICHARD 78 U Limited 10 110 20 35.89 2.5077 37.29%
16 LAM, MIKE 75 U Limited 10 131 0 61.91 2.1160 31.46%
17 LEE, KEN 73 U Limited 10 122 10 78.36 1.4293 21.25%
19 PANGILINAN, PHIL 85 U Limited 10 74 110 78.06 0.0000 0.00%

Production
Place Name No. Class Division Pts Pen Time Hit Fact Stg Pts Stg %
1 JONES, CHRIS 14 U Production 115 0 26.65 4.3152 100.00%
2 KARNOFF, EYON 80 U Production 123 0 29.47 4.1737 96.72%
7 ROBILLOS, JAMES 79 U Production 115 0 45.32 2.5375 58.80%
8 BUMANGLAG, OSCAR 76 U Production 108 20 38.62 2.2786 52.80%
11 BEARDEN, ARTHUR 87 U Production 101 30 54.66 1.2989 30.10%
15 YU, HEINDRICK 86 U Production 91 40 115.64 0.4410 10.22%
16 SALONGA, EMIL 74 U Production 71 80 80.00 0.0000 0.00%

Analysis: My favorite. The Texas Star. No. Really. Favorite. Yep. The trick with the Texas Star is to shoot top to bottom, as some of our fellow squad shooters learned the hard way, no matter how many times I said to shoot top down during the walk through, before each shooter got into the box, and again as they targeted the Texas Star. I beginning to realize that a few folks perhaps thought that I was purposefully pawning bad advice to better my own chances, but this was not the case. At least, that's my story and I'm stickin' to it.

This stage had a lot of hard cover (orange netting) and white "no-shoots" covering a many targets, and the angles of the hard cover and no-shoots meant that many of the targets were only visible from certain angles. So the shooter couldn't just start at one end, and shoot all the targets in order to the other end where the Texas Star was. The shooter had to engage a one or two targets, move (passing a target not yet shot), engage another one or two targets, but then turn back a few degrees to engage the target the shooter had to pass a moment before. Because the shooter's start position was in the middle of the shooting area, the shooter really couldn't effectively run to the far side, then run down the line shooting all the targets in one strafing run from that angle, stopping at the end, reloading, and running back to the other end in a different angle strafing run, before finishing up with the Texas Star. Thanks Jojo. Devious SOB.
I call this kind of exercise "go fish" or the "memory card game" because you have to keep track of which targets have been engaged and which ones still require shots. Shoot a target that you've already shot, and you're wasting time. But skip a target that you THOUGHT you already shot, well, then you lose out on points plus incur -10 point mike penalties. In the video, you can see that as I moved down the line, I paused on a couple of targets trying to remember if I already shot them and looking for holes to confirm. Now, my eyesight ain't all that great, so I couldn't see the tiny 9mm minor holes, so I was relying mostly on memory and angle analysis to determine if it was likely that I shot the target from a different angle or not.
I again got lucky, cleaned the Texas Star with 5 shots, no extra shots, for the first time ever. Another huge personal breakthrough. The first time I shot a stage with a Texas Star, I went through THREE f*$#(!@% mags, that's 30+ rounds, trying to clean that thing because I started from bottom to top and that damned thing really started spinning on me, and ran out of ammo later in the stage and had like 7 "did not engage" targets for 14 mike penalties on top of not getting points for 14 missed shots. I'm still twice as slow as the overall winning time, and about 40% slower than Taran (i.e. Taran was almost twice as fast as me), but decent accuracy and a clean shoot (no mikes) really helped me out.
Kevlarman shot a clean shoot, no mikes, and even though his time was mid-pack for our squad, solid accuracy and no mikes propelled him up the rankings.
Black Majik also had a good score, and a pretty good time considering the video shows him really trying to think if he shot a couple of the targets or not, but that last partially hidden target on the end of the last hard-cover orange-netting barricade was really easy to skip/miss, and that resulted in 2 mikes and an unfortunate drop to an otherwise solid run.
Uncle O also skipped/missed that last target, and had to take a couple of extra shots on the Texas Star, but he would have otherwise but right at the top vying for #1.
BlamBlam-2Alpha: Boooooooooooring. More 2 Alpha's, clean shoot, no mikes, 3rd highest score of the stage. Blah blah blah. Get the boy some ACME rocket skates and THEN we'll be talkin' a whole different game.
Beetle Bailey: solid shoot, one mike, but didn't miss that partially hidden target. Video shows that Beetle Bailey really was sliding around the gravel, and had a lot of back and forth zig-zag movement trying to get all the angles which slowed him down more than probably necessary. Good run though!
ABearden also skipped/missed that last target, and just barely clipped a no-shot for an extra -10 pt penalty, and those plates on that star were just not behaving for him, contributing to a slower time than he probaby could have otherwise shot. Solid run.
H57 again quietly went about his job. You can set the atomic clock by this guy's even pace/speed because no matter the situation, he's always the same speed.
I can't remember what happened to philpan on this stage, but 110 mike penalties doesn't seem right to me. 11 mike and/or no-shoot combo's? Doesn't seem right. I think H57 was messin' with you, my friend.
This was one of my favorite stages to watch emilsal shoot. Forget the mikes and/or no-shoots. When he came to that Texas Star, he NEVER GAVE UP!!! Some of those plates he hit THREE and FOUR times before falling off because the retention spring in the back was probably too tight. Meanwhile, the star is spinning like a hypnotist's wheel, and he just keeps aiming and shooting away until, one by one, each plate succumbed to his relentless pressing attack until the star was cleaned. It was awesome. emilsal embodied the shooter's spirit on this day, and represented his Navy service with honor...the man does NOT know the meaning of the word "quit" or "leave it behind". Not in his vocabulary. I love it. (Now, if we can just get you to slow down your double-taps just a bit and make sure that second shot lands on-target, you will be a force to be reckoned with, my friend.)


Lessons Learned: Accuracy, accuracy, accuracy. Make sure to engage all targets (no skipped targets). Shoot that damned star from top down. AND NEVER GIVE UP!

So, hidden in that mass of data is some GREAT and valuable information once you know how to analyze it. A regular tea leaf Davinci code.

And, gee, wouldn't you know, but since no one is allowed to shoot on our squad anymore except me, I WIN!!! :D
I'll be the "shoot Nazi" -- "No shoot for you!"
So take THAT!! (neener neener)

Until next time!

Cheers!

Pointman1776
April 26, 2006, 03:58 AM
Many MANY heap big thanks to Kevlarman for his amazing videos and stills. Wow. Thanks!!

And more heap big thanks to ALL the shooters that day...superb safety discipline, fantastic "try anything" and "never die" attitudes. More thanks for bringing tables, targets, chairs, pot luck food, drinks, generously sharing ammo and pistols, shotties, AR's , and lots of laughs.

Wow.

Now THAT was a BLAST!

Can't wait to the next one!!!

Cheers!

BamBam-31
April 26, 2006, 07:59 AM
Dude, next time I prance around like that, someone slap me upside the head, eh? Seriously, that was the first time I ever had to run with a gun, and I felt like I was holding a bomb while running around on loose gravel. :o

Actually, I've been shooting so long at SGVGC, it's hard for me to break out of my static isosceles "NO RAPID FIRE!! ONE SHOT EVERY TWO SECONDS!!" mode of shooting. This whole IPSC thing makes me run AND rapid fire, and it's just plain unnatural for me. :p

In the back of my mind all day was, "This is my first time, I'm not gonna rush. I'm gonna be safe and slow, scores be damned." I'm surprised I didn't finish last with the stage times I had. I think speed will eventually come with familiarity, though.

Thanks again for hosting our group of newbies, Eyon. It was a great learning experience for everyone, I'm sure. :)

Kevlarman
April 26, 2006, 12:26 PM
Eyon, thanks for the great in-depth analysis!

You know, I think that my speed runs and rapid reloads come from the fact that I was very heavily into airsoft a few years ago, and attended skirmishes almost every weekend.

Of course, airsoft guns aren't exactly real, and you can hide behind a thin piece of plywood to protect yourself from BBs (heh), but the manual of arms is very close to what a real gun is, which is probably what helped me. That and video games.
haha

Next time I go out, I'm going to slow myself down and try for more controlled pairs rather than double taps, so I can get more alphas. I'll also try the "don't shoot until slidelock" routine.

Funnily enough, I noticed that in one of my videos, I only counted 9 rounds until slidelock. Stupid 15 round mags and people talking to me while I'm trying to load each mag must've threw me off. That's my story and I'm sticking to it! ;)

Black Majik
April 26, 2006, 02:54 PM
I need more practice. NRG again this weekend anyone?

If you're really serious, I'm in. :D



Thanks for the awesome analysis Eyon, makes me realize where and HOW MUCH i really need to practice to improve. Thanks a bunch!

BamBam-31
April 26, 2006, 06:41 PM
Me, too! Gotta practice my Tiny Tim Tactical Two-Step! :D

Edit: Aaack! Can't go this Saturday. Have a wedding to attend. :(

How about May 6th?

Beetle Bailey
April 26, 2006, 11:39 PM
I can't remember what happened to philpan on this stage, but 110 mike penalties doesn't seem right to me. 11 mike and/or no-shoot combo's? Doesn't seem right.

That's my fault, totally. When I was keeping score of the "no-shoot" hostages being hit, I used hash marks to keep track of them. It should have been two (2) no shoots, not eleven (11). When I realized the possible confusion, I was gonna go back and check everything, but in all the excitement, I just plain forgot. Sorry, Phil!:o

[QUOTE][If you're really serious, I'm in.
/QUOTE]

What is "NRG"? If it means I get to shoot this Saturday, I'm in! :D

BTW, I peeked at my calendar and noticed that May 14 is Mother's Day, so I'm gonna make Sunday, May 7 the next SGVGC monthly THR shoot. That way, you can all take your mothers out for lunch on the 14th.

Pointman1776
April 26, 2006, 11:51 PM
"NRG" = "n"-"r"-"g"
Pronunciation: 'e-n&r-jE
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural -gies
Etymology: Late Latin energia, from Greek energeia activity, from energos active, from en in + ergon work -- more at WORK
1 a : dynamic quality <narrative energy> b : the capacity of acting or being active <intellectual energy>
2 : vigorous exertion of power : EFFORT <investing time and energy>
3 : the capacity for doing work
4 : usable power (as heat or electricity); also : the resources for producing such power
synonym see POWER

Pointman1776
April 26, 2006, 11:56 PM
...oh, wait..."NRG" = "Norco Running Gun"
Pronunciation: 'blast
Function: fun
Inflected Form(s): (double) taps
Etymology: Early 20th century, around 1911, and formally recognized in 1975.
1 : dynamic practical shooting, sometimes with high capacity mags
2 : vigorous exertion of power, speed, and accuracy
3 : the capacity for skipping work and getting more range time
4 : usable power factors include Major and Minor, usually 9mm, .38Super, .40S&W, and .45ACP
synonym see WHEEEEEEEEEEEE

Pointman1776
April 27, 2006, 12:21 AM
Beetle Bailey wrote:
That's my fault, totally. When I was keeping score of the "no-shoot" hostages being hit, I used hash marks to keep track of them. It should have been two (2) no shoots, not eleven (11).
Ah, well THAT makes sense. I thought I was losin' it. And I can't imagine what philpan thought...LOL!

Pointman1776
April 27, 2006, 12:23 AM
Oh, and BB, just a word of advice...don't let philpan offer to score your runs at the next match. :D

Pointman1776
April 27, 2006, 12:25 AM
For all you guys who shot at the last match, and were thinking about a "clinic", check out Dennis Cruz' (aka "runngun") generous offer here (http://sigforum.com/groupee/forums/a/tpc/f/320601935/m/295109455/r/946106165#946106165)

I'm so in.

Black Majik
April 27, 2006, 06:05 PM
Hey guys,

We're going back this saturday since a few of us haven't gotten it outta our system yet.

They're offering free shooting clinics before the match. This will be a great OPPORTUNITY to get some training by some of the top shooters in the world. Plus its FREE and we can apply what we learned shortly by shooting the match!

http://sigforum.com/groupee/forums/a/tpc/f/320601935/m/537102265

See ya guys there!

Ken: Email me and let me know if you can make it.

Kevlarman
April 27, 2006, 06:10 PM
Bah, I've got errands to run.
That, and gas costs something like $3.15/gal which makes the 180 mile round trip very expensive. :mad:

Black Majik
May 1, 2006, 03:00 PM
If anyone's interested, a few of us are going again.... :D

Raahauges range, 8:30am. Saturday May 6

Mike, I remember you telling me you wanted to go this saturday. Your wish is our command :D

http://sigforum.com/groupee/forums/a/tpc/f/320601935/m/537102265/p/2

Beetle Bailey
May 2, 2006, 01:34 AM
If anyone's interested, a few of us are going again....

Raahauges range, 8:30am. Saturday May 6


Can't get enough, huh? ;)

Okay, I'm not here to spoil anyone's fun, and it doesn't bother me one bit to discuss Raahauges here, and at the same time, I want to know if people are still interested in going to SGVGC, so I'm gonna call for a head count for SGVGC on Sunday, May 7.

SGVGC THR Shoot May 7 at noon Please check in here. :)

I just want to know if this is still what the members want.

Black Majik
May 5, 2006, 11:38 AM
I'll try to make it out sunday, I can't get enough shooting lately

Sorry Ken, didn't mean to detract away from the sunday shoot with all the USPSA posts. I figured it'd be easiest to post it all on one thread (and make the biggest thread ever in Rally Point :D ) where everyone checks it on a regular basis. My apologies. Hope to see ya sunday! :)

Moonclip
May 5, 2006, 06:55 PM
I'll probably come if people are actually going to show up. I guess I'll bring Makarovs and a couple of 1911's. BB, bring the M28 so I can take a look at it if you don't mind. I assume this will be the last shoot at SGVGC due to looming closure.

I will try to check this thread later to see what people will be doing.

GTKrockeTT
May 5, 2006, 07:18 PM
i was planning on heading out there this sunday until i dislocated my right shoulder on wednesday. if it was my left, i'd still be heading out there.:D

Beetle Bailey
May 5, 2006, 11:07 PM
Sorry Ken, didn't mean to detract away from the sunday shoot with all the USPSA posts. I figured it'd be easiest to post it all on one thread (and make the biggest thread ever in Rally Point ) where everyone checks it on a regular basis. My apologies. Hope to see ya sunday!

No apologies necessary. It hasn't been a problem, and besides, I told you I consider you (and Mike) co-organizers of these THR shoots, remember? ;)

BB, bring the M28 so I can take a look at it if you don't mind.

Will do. It shoots a bit high, due to the ancient rear sight (lowest setting is 300 meters/400 arshini) but it's a pretty neat rifle. It has six "kill notches" on the side of the stock :what: .

Okay, regardless of who else is gonna show up, I will be there on Sunday, wearing my usual blue "Molon Labe" shirt.

Beetle Bailey
May 5, 2006, 11:08 PM
if it was my left, i'd still be heading out there.

You have the perfect reason to practice with the off-hand ;) .

Moonclip
May 6, 2006, 03:47 AM
I was thinking the same thing though I suck at weak hand shooting and I would totally embarass myself at one of the action shooting matches you guys have been doing.

Well BB, I guess it will be at least just you and me. Any special requests? I'll try to bring a 45acp revolver for you too but my friend with a registered AK decided not to come most likely:mad:

Beetle Bailey
May 6, 2006, 09:28 PM
I'll try to bring a 45acp revolver for you too but my friend with a registered AK decided not to come most likely

I'm actually more interested in trying the .45 ACP revolver than the AK, since I've shot an AK before, but not a .45 ACP revolver.

edited to add Unless the AK has "da switch."

As far as the action shooting goes, the only way to get experience with it is to try it. I did terrible last time, but I'm glad I went. ;)

BamBam-31
May 7, 2006, 01:51 AM
Being the lazy loafers we are, me and Beetle couldn't drag our butts out of bed early enough to make this morning's IPSC match. :o

Soooo, I'll be there at SGVGC this Sunday. ;)

50 Shooter
May 25, 2006, 09:49 AM
Richard & Ken,

Here's something you guys might like, just a teaser. Hope to get some more pics on there soon. I know Ben's has been working on it.

http://www.daplane.com/50bmg/ds2006/spring/

Black Majik
May 26, 2006, 04:29 PM
Awesome Shawn,

That shoot was a blast. If you want, tell Ben that Jason (with Roland) has a bunch more video that he took.

He even has video of us blowing up metal barrels at nighttime. Me shooting tannerite out of my truck :D

Can't wait for October!

Beetle Bailey
May 26, 2006, 10:42 PM
Shawn, thanks for the link to those pictures. Also, please let Ben and John know I appreciate their generousity. I had a fantastic time.

BTW, I think you turned Richard, Kevin, and I into tannerite addicts :uhoh: :D .

As for the original purpose of this thread, this is as good a time as any to announce the next SGVGC shoot:

Next THR Shoot at SGVGC will be Sunday, June 11 at noon.

Same as always, just look for us. Most questions can be answered by looking at the very first post. Hope to see the usual suspects, as well as some new faces. BTW, where's Benny? :confused:

Moonclip
June 1, 2006, 08:05 PM
Anyone going to Rahaugees or to the OC fairgrounds gunshow this weekend? I will be at both Friday for the former and Saturday for the latter in the mornings. Not thay I can afford much, I have bought like 5 guns in the last few weeks.

And I'm not even sure if I can make it to the next SGVGC shoot:mad: Will try though and the last time was pretty fun.

tcdrennen
June 1, 2006, 09:42 PM
Moonclip - Anyone going to Rahaugees or to the OC fairgrounds gunshow this weekend? I will be at both Friday for the former and Saturday for the latter in the mornings. Not thay I can afford much, I have bought like 5 guns in the last few weeks.

And I'm not even sure if I can make it to the next SGVGC shoot Will try though and the last time was pretty fun.

I'll be at both, working :uhoh: - Friday and Sat PM at Raahauge's for SSA (Steel Madness!) at one of their two booths/berms, Sunday with the Costa Mesa NRA at the OC Gun Show. :cool:

Stop by and say Hi! :D

Draven32
June 2, 2006, 02:37 AM
I'm going on an ammo run to the OC show on saturday. Not going to the shooting fair 'cause I'd rather have the gas and money for the gun show.

Beetle Bailey
June 3, 2006, 02:44 AM
I'll be at the gunshow on Saturday with BamBam31 to make my usual ammo run.

Moonclip
June 5, 2006, 01:17 AM
This was the first opprotunity I got to get back to this thread. Unfortunately I didn't get to run in to anyone. Fortunately I got some ok stuff at the show such as 50 round boxes of Winchester silvertip 38spl 110gr non plus p hollowpoints at $10 a box otd and get this Californians...

I located my dad a Kel Tec P32 in about 98% condition for $200! Unfortunately we have to go to San Diego county to get it.

Also for all you people that go to the shoots that remember I have strangely never fired a m1a before. Finally did so at Rahaugees as well as a S&W 500. I was complimented on my fine abilities on shooting an M1a( made me feel like the fat crazy guy in FUll Metal Jacket:))
Though as the targets were quite close it was no big deal.

Black Majik
June 5, 2006, 01:25 AM
Fun gunshow... :)

see everyone next sunday! :)


Paul,
Shoulda let me know you've never shot an M1A before. I would have let you shoot mine as much as you want...

Beetle Bailey
June 6, 2006, 01:11 AM
remember I have strangely never fired a m1a before.

I sorta remember you mentioned that to me once before, but since I don't own one, I couldn't really offer to let you shoot what I don't own. . .

BTW, I shot a FAL for the first time yesterday (at Mike's 8" armor plate @ 100 yards). It was pretty cool except for the horrid trigger. The owner told me "This thing was made to rock'n roll; it's not for that precision stuff - for that, you use something else!" :cool:

BTW, Don't forget, Sunday June 11 at noon is the next shoot.

Draven32
June 6, 2006, 01:27 AM
FAL triggers can be worked for better operation...

won't be there Sunday, this month's range trip is reserved for after my Camp Carbine arrives.

Black Majik
June 6, 2006, 01:47 AM
+1 on the FAL.

Super cool, but the trigger was heavy, long and spongy. But boy did it kick for a .308! Way too cool. :cool:

RobT2K
June 7, 2006, 01:09 PM
You think the FAL kicks hard??!!??
The gas system on mine tames the recoil quite nicely, and alot of first time shooters of a FAL notice immediately.
You should try a bolt action .308 hunting rifle with just the skinny wooden stock, that thing will separate your shoulder!

Moonclip
June 9, 2006, 03:07 AM
FALs and 308 bolts kick? Ask anyone at the shoots who has fired slugs out of my Winchester 1300 or Franchi 612 riot guns or fired my Chinese type 53 Mosin Nagant 7.62x54r carbines about kick!

Very good chance I will be making it. Will be bringing a bunch of 38spl revolvers as well as some 22lr chambered handguns. I also bought yet another Llama 380acp circa 1958 I need to mess with some more.

Have not decided what long guns I will be bringing if any. Probably at least a Ruger PC40 carbine though.

BamBam-31
June 9, 2006, 04:59 AM
I think Floyd's FAL kicked cuz he had his gas system opened up. That thing was chucking brass like it was a Mini.

I'm sure most FAL's shoot softer, as my old FN49 shot 8mm, and recoil wasn't too bad.

Man, I'm wanting a FAL now....:uhoh:

....and a PTR-91....:uhoh: :uhoh:

simon
June 12, 2006, 05:55 PM
Ok! Checking in again to the thread and ALOT has gone on in my absense.
stupid,stupid,stupid.....
Is there/has there been a june "angeles" shoot yet?

And, I need more practice before I even think of shooting IPSC or any of those...........

On a good note, I'm almost there to getting my long awaited (been saving)
for an SA 1911 milspec.....Probably get it at Retting, as the prices there are better than Turners...

RobT2K
June 12, 2006, 07:14 PM
I've got a 1300 and a Mosin M38 also, they definitely do kick the ish out of you. I went with a Knoxx stock on my 1300 though and it helps tremendously, about the only thing that does kick and cause the barrel to flip are the 3" magnum slugs. But still very much lighter than if it didn't have that stock.

Black Majik
June 12, 2006, 07:14 PM
Simon,

We just had our San Gabriel Shoot yesterday. BUT.... you can meet us with Shawn and the rest of the .50 cal guys this sunday June 18th at Angeles. They'll be blastin' away WAAAAY down the end of the rifle range.

At 600 yards "shooting at 600 yards? no problem!" :D

I'll have to save up some ammo for sunday's shoot. USPSA match saturday and outdoor shoot on sunday is hell on the wallet :o

Hope to see ya out there! :)

Kevlarman
June 12, 2006, 08:24 PM
Hell on the wallet? Man, I just got into digital SLR photography. One lens costs as much as a handgun! :what: :cuss:

USPSA match sounds like fun!

Moonclip
June 12, 2006, 08:46 PM
Kman we miss your photography skills at the shoots! BB, thank you VERY much for the use of your CZ 452 since I brought almost all handguns and we were stuck shooting at 50yards and more. I almost thought about selling or putting away my 10/22 and buying a CZ myself today since I am now spoiled by the accuracy of it.

Ended up buying a Rossi mod 62 22lr pump and a Lee Enfield no 1 Mk 3* though today instead. I got to stay out of gun shops! It was nice to attend another shoot and I will start getting stuff ready in preparation for the next one.

Beetle Bailey
June 13, 2006, 12:25 AM
and we were stuck shooting at 50yards and more.

Yeah, sorry about that. BTW, most of the people who shoot my CZ452 are impressed. But you are always smart to get the milsurp now and wait on a rifle that is still in production.

[QUOTE][Man, I just got into digital SLR photography. /QUOTE]

So that's where you've been. . .

BTW, thanks to those who were able to make it this time. Sorry I was a little late. Also, I was kinda busy sighting in my new Savage, so I wasn't able to chit-chat too much with everyone, but it's nice to meet you, Robert.

50 Shooter
June 13, 2006, 12:57 AM
If you really need a reason to drain your wallet there's a 1919 shoot in July.:D Check Rich's website http://www.shoot1919a4.com/ I told him to put the location in stone and let people worry about getting there.

Now that you guys are being taken by the dark side, we'll have to get you into 1919's and *gasp* .50's.:evil: Oh yeah, Tannerite also.:evil:

Black Majik
June 20, 2006, 01:19 PM
Ken and Mike,

Check your email, I sent you info on Bruce Gray's Practical shooting class!

http://sigforum.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/430601935/m/921100806/p/1

Black Majik
June 24, 2006, 04:06 PM
A buncha us are gonna go shoot on July 8th, so it'll give you 2 weeks to prepare. Hope to see you guys out there! Mike, Ken, and James... hope to see you there.

Anyone else that are interested: Raahauges Shooting Range, USPSA bays. 8:00am sign in. Bring gun, magazines (5 is recommended), 250 rounds of ammo, holster, mag pouches, and good belt. Eyes, ears, and safety too!

Our summer schedule:
http://sigforum.com/eve/forums?a=tpc&s=674608412&f=320601935&m=310107016&r=559108116#559108116

Kevlarman
June 25, 2006, 08:03 PM
Oh boy! A match I just might be able to attend!
:D

Black Majik
June 27, 2006, 09:55 PM
Randy Lee @ Apex Tactical and Lisa Farrell of Sigarm's Factory Shooter has agreed to help teach the class!

If you haven't gotten in on the class roster, better hurry! Look at the list forming.

James get in too! :D

Black Majik
July 9, 2006, 04:27 AM
Thanks guys for coming out today to shoot at the match. It was FUN! :)

BamBam-31
July 9, 2006, 05:17 AM
Hey, where's the usual thread about the shoot on Sig Forums? Aren't we gonna get Eyon's play-by-play breakdown of each run? :D

stealthmode
July 9, 2006, 06:09 PM
i wonder if this is the longest ongoing post?

Black Majik
July 9, 2006, 06:21 PM
i wonder if this is the longest ongoing post?

Nope, this is the 3rd longest post in the Rally Point, Longest current ongoing post right now :D

Mike,
Here is the thread to our summer itinerary for USPSA matches.
http://sigforum.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/320601935/m/310107016/p/4

I still cant believe how you absolutely ROCKED the classifier! :what: :)

Beetle Bailey
July 9, 2006, 09:34 PM
i wonder if this is the longest ongoing post?

Well, part of the reason I started these group shoots was to be able to meet other THR members and get to know them in real life. I figured it was a good way to contribute to the forum that has helped me so much. Also, the shooting range in San Gabriel really is being threaten with a forced closure. It's been reported on the radio news reports as well as the local newspapers. All the employees know about it, as well as members of the gun club. There have been city council meetings about it, etc.

Last time I talked to the R.O. there, he said they are still trying to fight it but the details are a secret because they don't want the other side to know anything about it. When I started the monthly shoots, I honestly thought the range would be closed by now (although it is a pleasant surprise it is still open). Since then, I have managed to get to know some of the other forum members here much better, and they have posted to let me know about other local events, thus the extremely long thread.

Which reminds me about why this thread exists in the first place:

Next THR SGVGC Shoot will be Sunday, July 23 at 12:30 pm.

I changed the time to 12:30 so Black Majik can have an extra half hour of sleep before getting to the range :neener: .

Our armor plated swinging target is getting close to the end. Last time I shot it with my AR, I put a hole completely thru the center :what: . It's a small hole and the rest of the target still works, but it's time to retire that sucker with a bang, so to speak. I'm gonna try to destroy it with my Yugo Mauser, so you guys who have missed the last few shoots (you know who you are) try to make it and give me and BamBam-31 a hand.

Black Majik
July 9, 2006, 11:03 PM
Next THR SGVGC Shoot will be Sunday, July 23 at 12:30 pm.

I changed the time to 12:30 so Black Majik can have an extra half hour of sleep before getting to the range :neener:

Don't you mean you changed it to 12:30 so you and Mike can have an extra half hour to eat lunch? :neener:

Unfortunately, I can't make this month's shoot. I'm going to be at FTA's CCW class for the weekend of July 22nd & 23rd.

Have fun though and shoot some weeds for me! :evil:

Beetle Bailey
July 9, 2006, 11:49 PM
I'm going to be at FTA's CCW class for the weekend of July 22nd & 23rd.

Oh. I remember you mentioned July 22, but I didn't realize it was a two day class. Okay, just for you, and just this once, since I made a bit of a mistake here, I'll change the day to the next weekend:

Correction: Next THR shoot will be on July 30 at 12:30

BTW, those weeds were an accident. Yeah, that's it, an accident :uhoh: .

iGSR96
July 10, 2006, 12:40 AM
Correction: Next THR shoot will be on July 30 at 12:30

Wow, a shoot that I might be able to show up to... :what:

Woohoo!

50 Shooter
July 10, 2006, 12:56 AM
Hey BB, did you know about this?

http://shoot1919a4.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=79 :D

What I'm still amazed at it the amount of people that don't come out. We have some great groups of people that get together but it seems like there's still more that don't. :confused:

Not sure if I can make the 23rd as this coming Sunday is suppose to be our monthly shoot. I know the desert is going to be HOT in more then one way.:evil:

BamBam-31
July 10, 2006, 03:02 AM
Benny! Back from the dead! Did you do the Tour de France or something? :D


I still cant believe how you absolutely ROCKED the classifier!

It's called luck, buddy. Don't expect me to do that ever again. Oh, and my $33 lesson from Saturday? New 10 round Glock mags mean MAJOR SUCKAGE for matches. Springs are too stiff for rapid reloads (less Travis Tomasie and more Mike Dumb-assie). That's why we had that "I'm gonna only load nine rounds for the classifier, since we only need five rounds." "Go eight." So I loaded seven each. ;)

Don't you mean you changed it to 12:30 so you and Mike can have an extra half hour to eat lunch?

Do NOT underestimate the power of lunch, Young Grasshopper.

Man, I goaltended a game on Friday where I my team was outshot 36-12 (so I'm doing my best Neo impersonation wearing 40 lbs. of goalie gear). Then I shoot the IPSC match all day in yesterday's 98 degree heat. Then I go airsofting all day today in similar temperatures. Add in chasing around my 17 mo. old, and that equals a very sore right rotator. I hope I heal up before the two hockey games I have on Tuesday....

iGSR96
July 10, 2006, 03:51 AM
Benny! Back from the dead! Did you do the Tour de France or something?

If I was really back from the TdF now, it would mean that I was suspended for doping. :neener:

Yes, I've been riding with my triathlon club on the weekends and taking classes as well. I am now a NRA Certified Instructor; I've been taking the classes when they've been offered and they usually land on the same weekend as the shoots.

I've been following all the action, so I can't wait to get out there to shoot with y'all again.

Beetle Bailey
July 11, 2006, 01:47 AM
I am now a NRA Certified Instructor;

Cool. I was asking if anyone knew what happened to you, but nobody did. Looking forward to shooting with you again.

I know the desert is going to be HOT in more then one way.

If you haven't figured it out by now, I'll let you in on a little secret: I'm a sissy-boy and I hate the heat :uhoh: . I'll have to pass on the 1919's this time, as cool as they are.

Draven32
July 11, 2006, 03:13 AM
we might be there- no guarantees. Depends when client pays.

Kevlarman
July 15, 2006, 04:09 AM
Uh, I'll get higher resolution pictures up sooner or later. And the video too!

http://img92.imageshack.us/img92/6587/p1070343qr0.jpg (http://imageshack.us) http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/6582/p1070351ua6.jpg (http://imageshack.us) http://img92.imageshack.us/img92/1456/p1070370en4.jpg (http://imageshack.us) http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/6730/p1070387gx1.jpg (http://imageshack.us) http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/1263/p1070361og2.jpg (http://imageshack.us) http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/377/p1070347kn0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Black_Talon
July 15, 2006, 08:16 PM
I'll get higher resolution pictures up sooner or later.

pic of guy smiling proudly next to the dead no-shoots....



Uh, it's been 11 years since I shot IPSC, but back then the white targets would have been "hostages" or "no shoots" and you'd be penalized for hitting them. Has something in the rules changed since then? :)

Black Majik
July 15, 2006, 11:44 PM
Uh, it's been 11 years since I shot IPSC, but back then the white targets would have been "hostages" or "no shoots" and you'd be penalized for hitting them. Has something in the rules changed since then?

Hey Marc,

You're correct, those no shoot are 10-pt penalties and reek havoc on the scores.... + the 10 pt penalties for the mikes (misses).


James cool pics man!

Beetle Bailey
July 16, 2006, 12:00 AM
Nothing has changed. What happened was, it was that guy's first stage ever of his first time ever shooting IPSC and those two particular targets were a bit further away than the others on that stage (maybe 15 yards is my guess) and he somehow managed those five "head shots" on the "no shoots."

We remarked that although we knew it was an accident, it was kinda funny in that he probably couldn't have gotten those head shots if he tried. The fact that he did was mostly dumb luck and we teased him a bit about it. To turn the tables, Eyon took a picture of him with the targets as if he meant to do that.

Also, the picture helps to illustrate that you don't have to be a pistol expert to join us. As long as you are a safe, responsible adult and have a friendly disposition you are welcome.

You are right though, in that a picture like that demands an explanation.

BamBam-31
July 16, 2006, 12:39 AM
IIRC, his first shot was a warning shot right by the right hostage's ear, accompanied by a "Get the hell down!" command. Well, they didn't, so he did what he had to do to complete the mission Jack Bauer style. :p

Those were the last two targets of the stage (and furthest out), so the shooter took a few extra shots just to make sure he got hits. Well, he got hits alright....

Pity him not. Overall, he scored exceptionally well anyways, even with the massacre.

Beetle Bailey
July 26, 2006, 01:08 AM
I'm just posting to remind everyone that the shoot is this Sunday (7-30-06) at 12:30 pm. In addition to the usual suspects, I'm gonna bring out my Swiss K-31 since that thing hasn't been shot in a while. Only got one box of ammo for it left, might as well use it up. Also, my Yugo Mauser and CZ 452.

BTW, I just bought a SIG 225, but still have to start the DROS and 10 day wait, so it won't be available this time. Paul, can you bring yours to satisfy my newgunitis fix? ;)

Anyone else get any new toys, . . . uh, I mean guns?

Draven32
July 26, 2006, 01:51 AM
whyfore a shoot just before the first of the month instead of after?

Black Majik
July 26, 2006, 01:39 PM
Anyone else get any new toys, . . . uh, I mean guns?

I pick up my Les Baer today, so I'll bring it to break it in.

Mike, bring your Supertac! :D




OT:
Mike, we're gonna be discussing details pertaining to the Bruce Gray class in Sept, such as places to eat for dinner, suggestions etc...
Might wanna throw your $0.02 in also or keep updated in the thread.
http://sigforum.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/430601935/m/921100806/p/10

See ya guys sunday!

Beetle Bailey
July 28, 2006, 01:31 AM
I pick up my Les Baer today, so I'll bring it to break it in.

Mike, bring your Supertac!


Wow, that's some pretty cool hardware :) .

whyfore a shoot just before the first of the month instead of after?

Because I can't wait any longer. . . Do you know how long it's been since I've shot a gun :( ;) ?

BTW, did you manage to replace any of the guns you lost?

BamBam-31
July 28, 2006, 05:32 PM
Mike, bring your Supertac!

July 30th will be the day "Supertac Returns!" :D

Will also bring a few other goodies that should interest you guys. ;)

BTW, thanx for the BGG update, Rich. What happened to Eyon? :confused:

Beetle Bailey
July 30, 2006, 10:28 PM
Thank you to everyone who made it out this time. I don't know what was cooler, shooting the FAL or when Mike, Richard, and I were all shooting Les Baers at the same steel target! Paul, thanks for bringing the Sig 225 - that thing just feels so good in my hands. Benny, you forgot to wear your "I love my M1A" shirt!

Sorry guys about the armor plate being "out of order" but there will be a next time. Thanks again.

BB

Black Majik
September 21, 2007, 03:15 AM
Btt :D

Beetle Bailey
September 21, 2007, 03:39 AM
Well, it was fun while it lasted but now the San Gabriel Valley Gun Club is closed forever. They closed their doors in either Oct. or Nov. of 2006. Thanks again to all who joined us for some fun shooting.

Ken

BamBam-31
September 21, 2007, 04:34 AM
Rich, you dork, I can't believe you bumped it. :D

MOAT--Mother of all Threads. "All your threads are belong to us!" :p

Black Majik
September 21, 2007, 11:36 AM
Hey, I just did what I was told... for once... :D

BamBam-31
September 21, 2007, 03:20 PM
Hey, I just did what I was told... for once... :D


Giiiive meeee yoooour Baers. All your Baers are belong to meeeee...... :evil:

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