[Fidel Castro]

Why would they do that? The Flight Attendants are totally against this.

Is this the punishment for questioning and not re-approving the patriot act and will take the heat off the warrantless spying issues?

The head TSA guy said they are more worried about bombs now. Where the heck do they get these guys? When something is working, don't go radically changing it. Things that make you go "Duh!"

[hso]

Fidel

I'm all for it for the following reasons -

Cockpit door armor insures that people with sharp/pointy things won't be able to take over the plain.

TSA screeners spend a lot of time looking at pocket knives and scissors that would be better spent looking for bomb parts.

Using sharp/pointy things to hyjack a plane was a one time trick. Now that the American flying public know that some guy with a knife to the throat of a passenger or stew means the plane is going down with them in it all the other sharp/pointy things in everyone's pockets will get turned on the hyjackers.

[WT]

The security at Newark Airport is no better now than it was on 911 when Flight 93 was hijacked.

[rick_reno]

Small sharp objects are ok. Try walking on with your machete.

[carebear]

I'm all for it. In fact, I'd like to get my pocketknife rights back.

Now that the doors are secured and the pilots know not to open them there's no reason not to get back to rationality on carried on items.

No matter what happens, the passengers will have any hijackers outarmed and outmanned. If they don't, it will be because the hijackers take advantage of the fact that screeners now miss exactly the same percentage of weapons as they did pre-9/11 or they get something smuggled on by ground crew.

But I'm not against carrying on firearms so take my knife position for what you think it's worth. :evil:

[bcochran]

I couldn't believe the question.

The simple answer is that I have bought all the confiscated pocket knives, sissors and leathermen that I want from EBay governmental resellers.

The foregoing sentence is true.

Now back to the purported outrage of the original questioner.

El Al had hardened cockpit doors and violent evasive flying exercises practiced by pilots prior to 9/11. We had our US rules to keep the cockpit doors closed before takeoff and through landing. And, I saw that rule routinely violated. One time on the Portugese airline I saw the pilot's son in the cockpit flying our jet.

Only 30,000,000 objects were seized in four years.

Oh, in response to the first question, the flight attendants are against it because they are on the wrong side of the cockpit door since 9/11. So, their objections are not valid.

Frankly, I am relieved. I got tired of fabricating erzatz weapons in connection with my flights.

[Kharn]

Knives arent ok, but scissors and nail clippers are now allowed, up to certain size limits.

Kharn

[bogie]

Why would they do that?

Because they didn't need the restrictions in the first place. What they _needed_ was a different way of dealing with a hijack situation. Then, everyone sat back, and figured they'd be getting a free trip to Cuba... Today, allowing small blunt scissors, nail clippers, etc., makes it much easier to remove pieces of the hijackers after the now-aware population of the plane grabs 'em.

Common sense, dude.

The stewardesses see it as a future point in a union conflict. That's all.

[xd9fan]

The security at Newark Airport is no better now than it was on 911 when Flight 93 was hijacked.


+1
our appearence of "security" rocks:rolleyes:

[shermacman]

The obvious reason is the TSA (Thousands Standing Around) employees have a lifetime supply of tweezers, Leathermans, Swiss Army knives and screw drivers. They don't need to confiscate any more. So, now they are legal again.

[Fidel Castro]

Why would they do that?

Because they didn't need the restrictions in the first place. What they _needed_ was a different way of dealing with a hijack situation. Then, everyone sat back, and figured they'd be getting a free trip to Cuba... Today, allowing small blunt scissors, nail clippers, etc., makes it much easier to remove pieces of the hijackers after the now-aware population of the plane grabs 'em.

Common sense, dude.

The stewardesses see it as a future point in a union conflict. That's all.

Quote=Bogie "Because they didn't need the restrictions in the first place?"

There have been no successful hijacks since 911. Something must be working. Did the 'terror threat color code go down or sumting'?

The stewardesses see it as a future point in a union conflict. That's all.
Oh, in response to the first question, the flight attendants are against it because they are on the wrong side of the cockpit door since 9/11. So, their objections are not valid.

That's just cold blooded! 'Who really cares? What's a couple defenseless dead stewardesses anyhows" cause you know that's who will be attacked or taken hostage first.

I couldn't believe the question.

The simple answer is that I have bought all the confiscated pocket knives, sissors and leathermen that I want from EBay governmental resellers.
You bought some EBAY knives and sissors? That is astounding, I couldn't believe your answer!

I'm all for it for the following reasons -

Cockpit door armor insures that people with sharp/pointy things won't be able to take over the plain.

TSA screeners spend a lot of time looking at pocket knives and scissors that would be better spent looking for bomb parts.

Using sharp/pointy things to hyjack a plane was a one time trick. Now that the American flying public know that some guy with a knife to the throat of a passenger or stew means the plane is going down with them in it all the other sharp/pointy things in everyone's pockets will get turned on the hyjackers.
"No matter what happens, the passengers will have any hijackers outarmed and outmanned." "the now-aware population of the plane grabs 'em." "The security at Newark Airport is no better now than it was on 911 when Flight 93 was hijacked."

Good points.:)

[Firethorn]

The obvious reason is the TSA (Thousands Standing Around) employees have a lifetime supply of tweezers, Leathermans, Swiss Army knives and screw drivers. They don't need to confiscate any more. So, now they are legal again.

That explains why they're after lighters now, I guess... They seem to be of type to have alot of smokers.

[Fidel Castro]

The obvious reason is the TSA (Thousands Standing Around) employees have a lifetime supply of tweezers, Leathermans, Swiss Army knives and screw drivers. They don't need to confiscate any more. So, now they are legal again.

Awe Ha!!! The REAL reason! I would have never in a million years! LOL:neener:

[Firethorn]

There have been no successful hijacks since 911. Something must be working. Did the 'terror threat color code go down or sumting'?

No need for yelling, now. The point is, safety scissers and nail clippers weren't used in the hijacking. Box cutters were.

Why spend time looking for such pathetic weapons? An unopened soda can is a better weapon, for pete's sake!

That's just cold blooded! 'Who really cares? What's a couple defenseless dead stewardesses anyhows" cause you know that's who will be attacked or taken hostage first.

From Boston.com (http://www.boston.com/business/articles/2005/12/23/rules_eased_for_scissors_tools_on_jets/)
TSA spokeswoman Ann Davis said that ''all reports are good" about the impact of the changes. Because small scissors and tools represent nearly one-quarter of the millions of items seized every year at security checkpoints, TSA officials argue that allowing the normally harmless items through checkpoints will let screeners focus more attention on detecting potential terrorists and people concealing bombs.

Somebody finally had the balls to say "These items aren't dangerous so we aren't going to have a cow over them".

The flight attendants against this are just being silly. If they want some real protection they should be lobbying to be at least allowed tasers and a few sets of handcuffs.

You bought some EBAY knives and sissors? That is astounding, I couldn't believe your answer!

I've seen the ebay auctions myself. Several airports don't toss or destroy confiscated items, they chuck them in a box by type and sell in lots by auction. At least one chose ebay.

For example (http://cgi.ebay.com/LOT-Scissors-airport-confiscation-9-lbs-brookstone-dkny_W0QQitemZ5647894754QQcategoryZ88433QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)

[Fidel Castro]

The flight attendants against this are just being silly. If they want some real protection they should be lobbying to be at least allowed tasers and a few sets of handcuffs.




Now thats a concept. Why didn't they think of that?

Sorry for yelling. I always thought THIS WAS YELLING!!!

[Master Blaster]

I have a solution,

Hand everyone a 10" Butcher knife when they get on the plane.

It will pervent any box cutter hijackings in the future.:)

[Firethorn]

Now thats a concept. Why didn't they think of that?

Sorry for yelling. I always thought THIS WAS YELLING!!!

Continuous bold can be interpreted as the same thing.

[Fidel Castro]

No need for yelling, now. The point is, safety scissers and nail clippers weren't used in the hijacking. Box cutters were.

It's more than safety sissors and nail clippers being considered. Sharp sissors with a blade under 4 inches, knitting needles(I will take up knitting and sewing the next time I fly.Yeah 'redneck knittin'needles', look for them on egay.) and tools less than 7 inches. I am always carrying one of those so I'm covered there.heh:D

But I see the point, to free up some of those...........
'thousands standing around'.......... haha I couldn't resist. That's funny.:)
No, I really do.

[sm]

TSA allowing sharp objects on airlines now?

I guess this means TSA folks won't be taking any flights - huh? ;)

[CraigJS]

Pretty stupid on the TSA's part! As last I recall the Tango's dropped two towers with box cutters.....:mad:

[1911 guy]

My security on a flight has nothing to do with sharp objects on a flight, but has everything to do with the unwillingness of the general public to do anything about a perceived threat. If someone stands up with a knife/box cutter/gun and says he's gonna take the plane, he better have lots of ammo or be really good with that sharp object. How many can he take out before he gets it from the one person who finally gets to him? The sad fact is that most folks are sheep and don't act aggressively to a threat. So it's our attitude as a general population that's a threat to us, far more than the little old lady with knitting needles.

[carebear]

Knitting needles were back legal only months after 9/11.

There was no real reason for the ban on sharps other than public perception.

The BG's used boxcutters but would have been perfectly legal to board with Spyderco Delicas.

[Standing Wolf]

I'll continue to drive, thanks all the same.

[O.F.Fascist]

Knives should be allowed back on planes.

[O.F.Fascist]

Pretty stupid on the TSA's part! As last I recall the Tango's dropped two towers with box cutters.....:mad:

Thats a pretty ignorant statement on your part if you think that what happened on 9/11 was because of boxcutters.

If that is the case them I'm one dangerous individuals because I carry two boxcutters on my person at work.

Boxcutters != the most dangerous weapon used by terrorists.

Their real weapon that day was the human brain.

I would say that it would be hard for the government to ban though, but with all the assinine legislation and such we have I think they damn well are trying hard to do just that.

[Kaylee]

Fidel, Craig -- that's the same false logic as is used by the gun grabbers.

You don't make people safer by disarming them.