Border Patrol - deport them by day, date them at night


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rick_reno
December 26, 2005, 03:17 PM
This is hilarious.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-romance26dec26,0,2486052.story?coll=la-home-headlines

DOUGLAS, Ariz. ó The forbidden romance between the Border Patrol agent and the illegal immigrant began in a gym.

Maria Terrazas, 31, met Jose Ruiz three years ago at LM's Body Builders in this remote border town. Terrazas, a waitress and mother of two, knew Ruiz was a catch. As a Border Patrol agent, Ruiz belonged to an elite class in town: available men with good jobs and an education.
After Terrazas was deported to Mexico in November 2004. She quickly bluffed her way through U.S. customs and back to Ruiz.

Terrazas, who said several of her illegal immigrant girlfriends have relationships with border agents, saw nothing unusual about dating a man whose job was to keep people like her out of the U.S. "He had his own job and I had mine," Terrazas said in an interview. "I never thought it'd cause problems."

But it did.

Terrazas faces deportation again and Ruiz, 30, is on leave from the patrol. A second agent has been charged with felonies for giving Terrazas a short ride across the border from Mexico. It is one of four felony cases stemming from a federal crackdown against corruption on the Arizona border.

That push has highlighted an open secret along the border: romance between illegal immigrants and those responsible for deporting them.

Some locals say that such relationships are inevitable in a town where the nearest movie theater is 51 miles north and the nearest nightclubs lie just across the border in Agua Prieta, Mexico. The clandestine romances, they add, also make a mockery of efforts targeting illegal immigrants, such as laws being considered by Congress that would mandate fences along sections of the border and fine employers who hire illegal aliens.

But such lines between the legal and illegal can be hard to draw on the southwestern border. For generations, families have easily moved back and forth between the U.S. and Mexico, and even Douglas' mayor says he doesn't know whether longtime residents are in the country legally or not. Border Patrol agents, often young, single and new to the area, can get caught between the clear dictates of U.S. immigration law and the ambiguities of the heart.

"The absurdity of it gets played out in the day-to-day lives of Border Patrol agents," said Jennifer Allen, director of the Border Action Network, an immigrant rights group based in Tucson. "Everybody knows somebody [in the U.S. illegally] who has some kind of relationship with a Border Patrol agent. Either someone in their family is married to one, or they're sleeping with one. People's lives are very complicated and intertwined and they're not very clear-cut."

To the U.S. attorney's office in Phoenix and Border Patrol officials, the issue is clear-cut, especially after the Sept. 11 attacks highlighted the importance of securing the nation's borders.

Agents aren't expected to inquire about the citizenship of women they meet socially, said Gustavo Soto, a Border Patrol spokesman in Tucson. "That's one of the last things a young lady wants to hear ó 'Hey, you have any papers?' " he said. "But once that information is found, that the person is here illegally," the patrol expects the relationship to end.

Paul Charlton, U.S. attorney for the district of Arizona, said it's especially important to be diligent about enforcing immigration law in a state where 52% of all illegal immigrants caught entering the country are detained.

Charlton said of the agents: "These are individuals who have put aside concern, both for immigration laws and the security of their own country, for their own interests."

Border agents, or any U.S. citizen, who wish to marry foreigners can get approval to bring them into the country legally, Charlton said. But that approval doesn't always come smoothly.

Pablo Berry was a 17-year-old student at Douglas High School when he met the only woman he ever dated: classmate Claudia Veronica Vasquez-Banda, 18. Like many at the school, Vasquez-Banda, court records show, was an illegal immigrant.

After graduating, Berry held a series of minimum-wage jobs that reflected the paucity of opportunities on the border ó picking chiles, cooking at a Kentucky Fried Chicken ó before securing an $11-an-hour post at a resort in Sedona, Ariz. In March 2003, the couple's daughter, Emily, was born. Berry needed better pay to support his family.

In southern Arizona, there was only one growth industry: the Border Patrol. Berry's hometown of 17,000 was opening a new station with 500 agents and entry-level wages of $40,000 a year.

Berry joined the patrol in July 2003, stating in his application that he had no illegal immigrants in his household.

"He was blinded by love," said Berry's attorney, Gary Spector. "If you have a family member [who's an illegal immigrant] you don't feel it's as egregious as someone who's trying to sneak across the border."

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Firethorn
December 26, 2005, 04:03 PM
Sigh... Our border programs need two adjustments.

First the obvious one is border security. That's for all forms of smuggling, human and otherwise. Some work is being done on this.

Second is that our screwed up immigration process needs to be fixed. It shouldn't take two years to get a pass.

Art Eatman
December 26, 2005, 04:37 PM
While it's different because of the actual legal structure: I can't help but be reminded of the "non-fraternization" rules of our military after WW II, in Japan and Germany.

I've been watching this old world for what seems to be a long, long time. Gettin' longer. The way we do things about all sorts of problems has me believing that we have a severe shortage of mature adults running our various "shows".

War on Drugs, War on Poverty, War on Terror, War on Sumpn'r'nuther...

God help us if we ever start up a War on Stupidity.

Art

joebogey
December 26, 2005, 04:46 PM
God help us if we ever start up a War on Stupidity.

Art

One thing's certain Art. If that ever happens, we'll have lot's of targets. :D

El Tejon
December 26, 2005, 04:57 PM
She's only doing job an American woman would not do--date a fed!:D :cool:

yonderway
December 26, 2005, 05:16 PM
War on Drugs, War on Poverty, War on Terror, War on Sumpn'r'nuther...

God help us if we ever start up a War on Stupidity.

I'm ready for a war on Democracy.

wingman
December 26, 2005, 05:31 PM
I've been watching this old world for what seems to be a long, long time. Gettin' longer. The way we do things about all sorts of problems has me believing that we have a severe shortage of mature adults running our various "shows".


Ahem to that. I believe many have went to the stupid pond to drink and
they seem to work for our government.:(

PCGS65
December 26, 2005, 05:44 PM
Originally posted by Art Eatman
God help us if we ever start up a War on Stupidity.



Originally posted by joebogey
One thing's certain Art. If that ever happens, we'll have lot's of targets.

Art,Joe were going to run out of ammo!!!!!!!!!!!!:uhoh: :uhoh: :uhoh:

444
December 26, 2005, 05:54 PM
This has very little to do with this thread, but a week or so ago I took a rifle class and there was a US Border Patrol officer in the class who was stationed in El Paso.
I already had a pretty good idea how screwed up this whole thing is: the extent of the problem, the fact that nothing we are doing about it is working etc. But, this guy's stories were beyond even what I imagined. I am not going to get into the stories, but one example is that they have gotten into shoot outs with and captured members of the Mexican military carrying their issued weapons, on duty: in the US. And these people were out of jail and gone in hours.

georgeduz
December 26, 2005, 06:05 PM
there nothing wrong with that,they been coming over for years.let the mexicans in if they want to come over ,why give them a hard time.

cz75bdneos22
December 26, 2005, 06:25 PM
if that surprises you, then come on down to brownsville, texas...you want surprise...oh! man....the stories are just...AH! better yet, i don't know what you talking about...you just never know who might be watching!!:evil:

glockamolee
December 26, 2005, 06:25 PM
georgeduz stated:

"there nothing wrong with that,they been coming over for years.let the mexicans in if they want to come over ,why give them a hard time."

Well... lets see why we SHOULD give them, (the mexicans) a hard time.

1)Our society has changed to the point that we cannot absorb them fast enough.

2)Many DO NOT assimilate into ENGLISH SPEAKING America. Just take a drive through L.A., Detroit, and anywhere in the southwest. Look at the changes in our country from, "press 1 for english, 2 for Spanish," to the restaurant and construction industries hiring of Illegals. This lowers the market wages for non Degreed or Professioned individuals.

Mexicans who wish to become naturalized American Citizens who also speak English... WELCOME!!!

All others... (not just Mexicans) get a 30 day travelers Visa (after a background check); then they go home.

Standing Wolf
December 26, 2005, 09:45 PM
When I was a prison guard for a brief period quite a few years ago, one of the female guards was caught "dating" (to be polite about it) a male inmate.

She was summarily fired and escorted to the gate.

That's precisely what should be done to those "law enforcement" officersóbut surely won't be.

longeyes
December 26, 2005, 10:13 PM
"He was blinded by love," said Berry's attorney, Gary Spector.

Good summation of our current border policy emanating from the Casa Blanca.

Waitone
December 26, 2005, 11:34 PM
Merely the tip of a very large iceberg. There's alot more going on than "dating."

longeyes
December 27, 2005, 01:58 AM
"The absurdity of it gets played out in the day-to-day lives of Border Patrol agents," said Jennifer Allen, director of the Border Action Network, an immigrant rights group based in Tucson. "Everybody knows somebody [in the U.S. illegally] who has some kind of relationship with a Border Patrol agent. Either someone in their family is married to one, or they're sleeping with one. People's lives are very complicated and intertwined and they're not very clear-cut."

One thing is very clear-cut: the U.S. taxpayer is the one getting the most "action.":evil:

Pilgrim
December 27, 2005, 09:21 AM
I am not going to get into the stories, but one example is that they have gotten into shoot outs with and captured members of the Mexican military carrying their issued weapons, on duty: in the US. And these people were out of jail and gone in hours.
The morgue is a lot more permanent.

Pilgrim

Ezekiel
December 27, 2005, 09:49 AM
When I was a prison guard for a brief period quite a few years ago, one of the female guards was caught "dating" (to be polite about it) a male inmate.

She was summarily fired and escorted to the gate.

That's precisely what should be done to those "law enforcement" officersóbut surely won't be.

Having worked within a Maximum Custody state-level facility some 4 years ago, this is exactly the same procedure used there.

As for the goings on spoken of in this thread, "I want more information" before considering such a fate: somehow, imprisoning both seems kind of knee-jerk.

Of course, this is merely my opinion.

jeff-10
December 27, 2005, 07:55 PM
That's precisely what should be done to those "law enforcement" officersóbut surely won't be.

Don't count on it. The goverment loves to make examples of its employees. One of the largest reasons federal employees lose there jobs overseas is because they are involved in romances they have no business being in. I would imagine that the same would hold true for federal employees on the Texas/Mexican border.

carp killer
December 27, 2005, 08:22 PM
It's the same old problem. The Government is not screening the employee candidates for the two "I"'s.


Intrinsic
Integrity


99% of the problems the government has is caused by the lack of the two "I"'s.

STW
December 27, 2005, 10:06 PM
When I was a prison guard for a brief period quite a few years ago, one of the female guards was caught "dating" (to be polite about it) a male inmate.

She was summarily fired and escorted to the gate.

That's precisely what should be done to those "law enforcement" officersóbut surely won't be.


It depends upon the federal attorney. A few years ago I was on a jury for a male federal prison guard charged with bedding a female inmate. The defense claimed "consenting adults". So? Then he pointed out the guard had lost his job and his marriage and that should be enough punishment. Again not suffcient reason to find him not guilty. Just more evidence that the guard wasn't thinking above his neck. I recall deliberations were fairly swift.

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