Air Bubbles?? PC nonsense.


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The Goose
December 26, 2005, 07:28 PM
So yesterday I was at my sister's house in Ct for Christmas. Great day with the family. As it is nearing time to go my sister tells us this story. Her daughter, who is in grammar school, was working on a project, a presentation of sorts. So the daughter is making up some poster size lay outs and she keeps telling my sister that each line has to have "air bubbles". My sister does not understand. Her daughter keeps saying, "you know those little "bubbles" before each line and finally draws an example on a piece of paper. My sister finally gets it and says "oh, you mean bullets" and her daughter says "we are not allowed to call them bullets". Later my sister is talking to her teacher and sure enough they are not allowed to call them "bullets" because of the "violent" connotation. Go figure??

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modifiedbrowning
December 26, 2005, 08:27 PM
As in bullet points?
Doesn't surprise me at all.

Czar
December 26, 2005, 08:29 PM
I wish you were kidding.

This sort of ____ does no one any favors. I can see the future where this poor child gives a presentation and directs the audience’s attention to the "Third Air Bubble." Her presentation could be for a PhD dissertation in Astrophysics and because of non-standard cutsie terminology she would be treated like a 3rd grader. (Trust me, I know several "rocket scientists" who have poor communication skills and are perceived as armatures after a PowerPoint session and in reality they are the foremost experts.)

Such a disservice and they still call it education.

In the real world the term “industry practice” would be invoked and anyone with a problem calling them bullets would have to cope.


My condolences to CT!

rick_reno
December 26, 2005, 08:32 PM
Aren't they still named "bullets" in the Microsoft pull down menus? I wonder how long it will take MS to change the name.

Berek
December 26, 2005, 08:57 PM
So yesterday I was at my sister's house in Ct for Christmas. Great day with the family. As it is nearing time to go my sister tells us this story. Her daughter, who is in grammar school, was working on a project, a presentation of sorts. So the daughter is making up some poster size lay outs and she keeps telling my sister that each line has to have "air bubbles". My sister does not understand. Her daughter keeps saying, "you know those little "bubbles" before each line and finally draws an example on a piece of paper. My sister finally gets it and says "oh, you mean bullets" and her daughter says "we are not allowed to call them bullets". Later my sister is talking to her teacher and sure enough they are not allowed to call them "bullets" because of the "violent" connotation. Go figure??

Ok, well... let's see. For PC purposes, we can no longer call '|' the pipe symbol, as the break in the symbol states that plumbers do shoddy jobs. And the '#' cannot be the pound symbol as it's rude to us fat ppl. And the '.' is a reference to women, right?

GIMME A BREAK!!! These things were called bullets before the Brady Bunch in a day and age where, while we had violence, we weren't so freaked by it! And do you want to know why we're so freaked by it??? Because a bunch of tree hugging Zen freaks went Buhddist and infected everyone with their "You shouldn't fight, even to defend yourself as you could kill the attacker" BULL&H!+!!!

Whoa... I guess since my New Year's resolution doesn't start until this weekend, my ranting switch got turned off... Sorry... :D

BTW, not all bullets are "air bubbles". Some are arrows, what about the Native Americans? And hyphens and black dots and... and... and... I'll bet the school has a "news board" instead of a "BULLETin board" and "news letters" instead of "BULLETins"? They do still wrestle in school, right? Isn't that violent? And dodgeball. Tell me whipping a ball as hard as you can at someone else is as passive as crochet? And football, and European Handball (we called it animal ball in our school) and and and. What a crock.

Standing Wolf
December 26, 2005, 09:17 PM
A sterling example of moral and intellectual cowardice in action.

rero360
December 26, 2005, 09:25 PM
Because a bunch of tree hugging Zen freaks went Buhddist and infected everyone with their "You shouldn't fight, even to defend yourself as you could kill the attacker" BULL&H!+!!!


not all buddhists are tree hugging pacifists, I'm certainly not one, thats kind of like saying all christians dance with snakes, speak in tounges and drink stricnine, to some, like myself I use the name buddhism to my lifestyle in that I don't follow any religion, nothing is closed to me, no tabboos, I do as i wish, and I learn from my experiences to further my knowledge.

with that being said I agree that things have reached a sorry state of affairs, its through people who are fearfull and weak, maybe not physically, but mentally, and make those who are not affraid to act and to take the difficult, but nessicary path in life feal bad for being who they are, I for one am proud to be a male in the military who has no problem going off to war and killing if that is my calling. I eat red meat and love it, I go into the woods and kill little furry animals and spills their guts onto the ground and eat their flesh,I drink beer and whiskey and scotch and I like it, I no longer watch the news, it is nothing but fear mongering, they want everyone to be afraid of the boogie man, whether he be killer sharks, of killer bees, poisionous snakes or obesity or heart desease or the biggest one of all, and you jus thave to watch cops to see, the black man.:what: well I for one have seen through this veil of fear, I'm not afraid of any of those things, least of all the black man, I don't buy that whole race bullsh*t.

if you can't tell dennis leary is one of my fav comics. anyways that whole bullets thing is stupid, that little girl should just keep on calling them what they are, and tell the teacher she'll stop calling them that when they are stopped labled as such by microsoft.

mete
December 26, 2005, 09:43 PM
When I was a kid they made extra large canoes which they called war canoes. They still make them except they now call them peace canoes !!

armedandsafe
December 26, 2005, 09:46 PM
When Websters' changes the definition, I'll think about following suit. Until then, I prefer that teachers teach truth, rather than emotion.

Pops

Berek
December 26, 2005, 09:49 PM
not all buddhists are tree hugging pacifists, I'm certainly not one, thats kind of like saying all christians dance with snakes, speak in tounges and drink stricnine, to some, like myself I use the name buddhism to my lifestyle in that I don't follow any religion, nothing is closed to me, no tabboos, I do as i wish, and I learn from my experiences to further my knowledge.

What? You mean we're not supposed to dance with snakes? Just kidding. I know that not all Buhddists are "tree-huggers", I was just ranting. It was the easiest way I could think of to convey a huge number of people that feel we should just roll over and take the beating instead of helping ourselves. So I publicly apologize to all Buhddists. I consider myself 1/2 buhddist as I feel that, yes, a supreme being concept is nice, but you have to deal with your own stuff. Most religious texts include things like "{Insert deity here} helps those who help themselves" and "Reap what you sow." And that's another thing. I feel that anyone can believe what they want to and no one religion is better than another, so why can't I say "God"?

My girlfriend just told me that dodgeball was illegal in most NY public schools. I think my world has ended. I cannot think of a happier time than dodgeball and animal ball days in gym. Now that was a physical education.

I'm 35 and it seems that the peers of my parents are turning this country into a group of passivists that will not be able to defend itself the day that "Red Dawn" comes true. We'll be too busy in the year 2100 saying "I'll just sit here, not doing what they say and they'll go away" to realize they just kicked us in the head with their boots.

We're so caught up in the violent connotations that our words have that the violence continues unscathed. Worry less about what I call the little dots on my paper and more about those causing the little dots on the mugging victim. Dang it, passivists, GROW UP! Peace is a nice thought, but it cannot be achieved by doing nothing. You cannot have peace without a fight. Words are nice, but make sure your presentation has BULLET POINTS to stress your points.

I should probably stop ranting now. I'm sure I've ticked off someone else...

Kodiaz
December 26, 2005, 09:50 PM
Speaking of PC garbage my cousin shows up to Christmas Eve dinner with 2 toy guns. So after a while this other kid (not related) picks one up and starts messing around with it. A minute later the kid's mom starts flipping her lid that her son (poor kid is probably on the path to being an eviscerated male) is playing with guns. So we all look around at each other. And noone left anything lying around. So we finally sort out that she meant the TOY gun:banghead: . She then launches into one very gay speech about kids playing with guns:barf: . Well there is only one thing to do at this point. Pull out the old hunting albums of me and my brother when we were kids holding actual REal guns and finally getting it to the current generation where my nine year old cousin is holding my HD shotgun 870 pistol grip stock 6 shot side saddle and a five shot stock glove, while his dad's 9mm beretta is IWB. Needless to say her eyes just about shot out of her head :what: . But at least that ended her speech.:evil:


You should always have a picture of some weapon with a bayonet attached to it so an offended Liberal can be shocked into silence.

Spiggy
December 26, 2005, 10:05 PM
what ever happen to the times where we watched a cat try to bludgeon a mouse with a large mallet? or when we started laughing when the coyote blew himself up? How about when the duck took a face full of buckshot because he couldnt decide which hunting season it was?

For crying out loud, we've been subjected to all the most violent stories ever, we turned out fine!

Who remembers the story where the kids are thrown out of their homes, they wander into a gingerbread house and are cannibalized by a derranged elderly old woman!? Who puts a baby on a tree? why are there three men in a tub? why did the little girl burglarize the bear's home?

My girlfriend just told me that dodgeball was illegal in most NY public schools. I think my world has ended. I cannot think of a happier time than dodgeball and animal ball days in gym. Now that was a physical education...
The world we grew up in is no longer...

EDIT!
whose leading all this bullhonkey?

rero360
December 26, 2005, 10:11 PM
no offence taken berek, I totally understand your point, people just need to tend to themselves and less to other's affairs, if you want to be a little sissy, fine go ahead, but don't make me listen to your crap and try to make me feel bad for being a real man, and in turn I won't tell you how much of a sissy you are, it'll be made all so self evident when the shtf. :neener:

and kodiaz, awsome story I had a good laugh at that, toy guns are just that, toys, and they don't instill the desire for real violence, hell I had a chemistry set as a kid, I mixed the stuff up to see if it would blow up or catch on fire, but I don't make bombs or anything like that now as an adult, I do enjoy watching a good explosion, I just wanted to be infantry and not a sapper. I tell you what, I love standing on a hill and watching 155 artillery rounds impact on the adjacent hillside.

Berek
December 26, 2005, 10:42 PM
Kodiaz: Great story. I had something similar about 4 years ago.

My family decided to have Christmas at my house as it was a big house with plenty of off-street parking. Anyhow, one of my boys (step-son) and one of my nephews got those mock shotgun kits from Cabela's. My cousin's sister-in-law (she had no one to spend the holiday with and I think we figured out why...) began FREEEEEAAAAAKING out. I mean spitting venom all over because someone bought a kid a "gun". Now, here comes the funny part.

After almost 10 minutes of listening to her rant, my cousin asked her if she would feel better is all of the guns were put away. She said yes, and 75% of the family pulled their PDWs, cleared and put them in my already full guns safe. I had 17 side arms to put in there. I used every hook I had and sent one of my boys to my peg board to grab more.

The look on her face was PRICELESS. I wish someone had snapped a camera... but then, with everyone clearing firearms, someone may have thought is was an ND and hit the deck, she would have stroked and we would have to explain why she had a heart attack during the festivities... :D :evil: :D

Jbar4Ranch
December 26, 2005, 10:52 PM
Uh oh, no more Bullitt cars?
How 'bout Superman? "Faster than a speeding bubble"
And "Bubble train" just doesn't sound right either.

And if Speer, Sierra, Hornady, et al ever get caught up in this... "Gimme three boxes of 240 grain .44 bubbles" Then they'll have to come up with another word for bubbles, due to the violent connotation.

pmcbooks
December 26, 2005, 10:55 PM
Ok, well... let's see. For PC purposes, we can no longer call '|' the pipe symbol, as the break in the symbol states that plumbers do shoddy jobs. And the '#' cannot be the pound symbol as it's rude to us fat ppl. And the '.' is a reference to women, right?


No male-oriented reference to #'ing your |

When my mom was a substitute teacher she was talking to an art class about "reds, blues, and violets," and was informed that their regular teacher didn't want them talking about that. She didn't figure out until that night that the kid was already so well trained to keep "reds, blues, and violence" out of the classroom.

model 649
December 26, 2005, 11:01 PM
Resist this corruption whenever possible. The underlying concept to "PC" is that , if you control the language, you control the thought. Remember Orwell's "1984"?
Josh

Taurus 66
December 26, 2005, 11:26 PM
Ok, well... let's see. For PC purposes, we can no longer call '|' the pipe symbol, as the break in the symbol states that plumbers do shoddy jobs. And the '#' cannot be the pound symbol as it's rude to us fat ppl. And the '.' is a reference to women, right?

OOoooh! ..... tsk tsk ... you used the words "break" and "pound" which can be misinterpreted as violent connotation. And the word "fat" must be changed immediately to "plump" as to not offend anybody.

Now I must go report this to my superior at once. :rolleyes:

Berek
December 26, 2005, 11:43 PM
OOoooh! ..... tsk tsk ... you used the words "break" and "pound" which can be misinterpreted as violent connotation. And the word "fat" must be changed immediately to "plump" as to not offend anybody.

Now I must go report this to my superior at once. :rolleyes:

I'm not plump, I'm fat. I'm not offended. If I ever get offended by something someone calls me, you KNOW they reeeeeaaaally messed up.

And, pmcbooks, I liked the #ing your | thing ... that was good... Maybe I'll # my | ~ rabbits finsh the ^s.

thumbody
December 27, 2005, 08:34 AM
this reminds me of a former Washington basketball team now refered to as the Wizards.

poppy
December 27, 2005, 11:48 AM
Berek wrote:
Most religious texts include things like "{Insert deity here} helps those who help themselves"

Sorry, I can't let this slip by. I know you did not say all religious texts, but when saying most, that usually would include Christianity, and nowhere in the Jewish or Christian bible does it say God helps those who help themselves.

But back to the point of this thread. I guess we can't have a target audience any longer. poppy

Berek
December 27, 2005, 12:30 PM
Berek wrote:


Sorry, I can't let this slip by. I know you did not say all religious texts, but when saying most, that usually would include Christianity, and nowhere in the Jewish or Christian bible does it say God helps those who help themselves.

But back to the point of this thread. I guess we can't have a target audience any longer. poppy

Ok, poppy, you got me. In and of itself, it does not say those specific words. I guess I was using the blanket statement that covers things like when Paul says "if any would not work, neither should he eat." and such.

But overall, y'all get my point... :D ... right?

poppy
December 27, 2005, 02:41 PM
But overall, y'all get my point... ... right?
__________________
Berek

Yea, I got your point. Personal responsibility is important and the bible certainly teaches that.

The problem we sometimes exhibit when dealing with the PC crowd is that we rant and exaggerate. That doesn't help our cause. The best we can do is to educate and to keep ourselves educated. I would hope that one purpose of THR would be to inform each other on how to deal with PC gone amuck, rather than just ranting about it. poppy

HankB
December 27, 2005, 02:45 PM
Her daughter, who is in grammar school, . . . What grade?

A first-grader is probably too young to tell a teacher off. If the child is in one of the upper grades, it can - and should! - be done. (Politely, of course.)

PershingRiflesC-7
December 27, 2005, 03:00 PM
I have heard someone use the term "dot points" in order to be PC in a professional presentation at the National Institute for Standards and Technology. Torturing the language in order to take all possible "violence" out of it has to be the most stupid exercise ever.

ball3006
December 27, 2005, 03:24 PM
Had a similar experience at the cousin's house Christmas Eve. We were visiting the wife's cousin and family. The son was showing me his two deer racks he got last week along with his rifles. Later, after all the rest of the kids/spouses/boy/girlfriends, were there, son asked for my phone number so he could reach me to go shooting sometime. As I was getting my notepad out of my carry bag, I showed him my Steyr S40. Then handed him my Kel Tec 3AT. The croud of 20 something folks were starting to get big eyed by this time. He asked if I had anything else in the truck and I said sure. I pulled my riot shotgun from behind the seat, then proceeded to open the case in the back with two AKs, and one shotgun, and ammo. I explained the other AK and shotgun were my wife's. The crowd got really big eyed and moved to the other side of the yard. No one even suspected the wife and I were armed at all........I have to plead guilty to being part of the generation that caused all this PC bs. Most kids of the 60s and early 70s wanted to be cool hippies like the people, use the term lightly, from San Friggincisco........and it shows.......chris3

grnzbra
December 27, 2005, 04:13 PM
Personally, I would tell my child that she is never to refer to them as "air bubbles" and is to only refer to them as "bullets" or "bullet points" and if the teacher gives her any grief, to tell the teacher to call me.

My daughter once came home with a quiz in which one question was:

I can play with a______
A. sun
B. gun
C. etc. - other "intangible" things ending in "un"

The correct answer was B.

I called the school and told them to have the teacher call me before 3:00 PM (I had to leave for work at 3:15) or I would tell my daughter that that teacher was a total idiot and she was never to listen to that teacher again.

She called within half an hour and we had a polite conversation about her doing a disservice to every child in the class, and was undermining the safety lessons I had taught my child. I also told her that I expected her to explain to the class that she had made a mistake and that guns were not to be played with.

I questioned my daughter about it that evening and she reported that the teacher did tell the kids that she had made a mistake and that guns were not toys.

(The teacher was trying to convey the idea of things that could be touched vs things that were not touchable).

Some things, parents must be willing to go to war over and setting a child up with cutsie or dangerous knowledge is such an item.

Carl N. Brown
December 27, 2005, 04:27 PM
In my thirty-four years of typsesetting, we called them bullets
and had several styles (no, NOT FMJ, HP, SWC, LRN, JHP).

In my fifty-seven years of living I have heard of few things
sillier than calling bullets bubbles. This is doing violence to
the English language.

The Thornburgh-Boccardi report says that Producer Mary Mapes
sent Reporter Dan Rather a set of BULLET POINTS in a memo in 2004.
Jeesh, you would expect CBS to be PC, IYKWIM.

Soon we will be sent to re-education camps to unlearn our evil ways
and be taught to think only pure, peaceful thoughts cleansed and
implanted by our betters.

Farnham
December 27, 2005, 05:51 PM
How many feelings will be hurt when I refer to that teacher as retarded?

S/F

Farnham

another okie
December 28, 2005, 10:06 AM
God helps those who help themselves is a quote from ancient Greece, not the Bible.

CAS700850
December 28, 2005, 10:27 AM
Come on, let's not jump the gun, go off half-cocked here. the teacher may be just a little gun shy about using the terms in front of a class, not knowing what the parents may think. May just be trying to keep the powder dry in terms of her career. She may turn out to be just fine, lock, stock, and barrel.

What other gun talk can we show her that really has nothing to do with guns, depending on the context?

BigG
December 28, 2005, 10:45 AM
A sterling example of moral and intellectual cowardice in action.

How about a counterfeit silver plated brass example, instead? These yokels don't deserve sterling anything, imho. ;)

Lupinus
December 28, 2005, 10:53 AM
I pray to god I am rich enough to send my future children to private school or have a free enough schedule to home school them. School stopped teaching long ago and moved to indoctrination.

ReadyontheRight
December 28, 2005, 11:04 AM
That is one of the most terrifying things I've ever heard. NewSpeak is alive and well in our schools.

We need to take back our language.

chrisher
December 28, 2005, 11:25 AM
Speaking of PC Stupidity.....

I work in a hospital, surrounded by VERY liberal R.N.s & Doctors. I also walk slowly with a cane due to nerve damage. All my friends/co-workers call me "Gimp."

A new nurse was waiting for me to move out of the way so she could get by.

Me: "Sorry, I'm handicapped."

She: "NO, you're DIFFERENTLY-ABLED."

Me: "Oh! What did I say?"

She: "You said 'handicapped.' "

Me: "Man, I'm so sorry. I certainly hope I didn't OFFEND myself."

Henry Bowman
December 28, 2005, 11:32 AM
What other gun talk can we show her that really has nothing to do with guns, depending on the context?I sometimes wish Todd Beemer had said, "Lock and load" instead of "Let's roll."

migoi
December 28, 2005, 12:23 PM
that Todd Beemer had actually been able to 'lock and load' on that fateful morning, along with passengers on three other airplanes. He, and others, obviously had the intestinal fortitude to get the job done that morning..if only they would have had the proper tools.

migoi

Hawkmoon
December 28, 2005, 12:59 PM
Aren't they still named "bullets" in the Microsoft pull down menus? I wonder how long it will take MS to change the name.
Let's accelerate the revision. We can contact MS and demand that they start calling "bullets" something else.

Bombs?

Grenades?

kjhales
December 28, 2005, 01:40 PM
Of course, we all know Winchester was using "PowerPoint" as a trademark for decades before Microsoft even existed. That someone would use "bullets" in their "PowerPoint" presentation seems kinda self-evident.:rolleyes:

jsalcedo
December 28, 2005, 06:12 PM
My kids are supposed to sit "criss cross applesauce" in the school library because indian style is offensive to the indians who invented it.

I have no idea why someone would want to sit in applesauce...

Taurus 66
December 28, 2005, 06:25 PM
My kids are supposed to sit "criss cross applesauce" in the school library because indian style is offensive to the indians who invented it.

I have no idea why someone would want to sit in applesauce...

Criss cross is offensive to applesauce. Now I sue ... ACLU! :neener:

India's Indians or Native American Indians?

jsalcedo
December 28, 2005, 08:05 PM
India's Indians or Native American Indians?

I asked and they don't even know

Spec ops Grunt
December 29, 2005, 12:06 AM
Soon we will be sent to re-education camps to unlearn our evil ways and be taught to think only pure, peaceful thoughts cleansed and
implanted by our betters.


We need a giant bunker for THR members, in case if this does happen, will have enough SHTF supplies, guns, and ammo we could all last for a year.

Dang, thats a lot of ammunition.

HankB
December 29, 2005, 09:29 AM
My kids are supposed to sit "criss cross applesauce" . . . Wait a minute, wait a minute . . . criss CROSS applesauce? Are they mocking Christian symbols, or trying to sneak in Christian symbols?

What if they were told to sit "criss Menorah matzo" or something?

Call the ACLU!

(And take note of my .sig)

TallPine
December 29, 2005, 10:07 AM
Well I have an idea ... just so we can be PC let's all call those big round dots on Powerpoint, etc "tits" :p


Actually, I hate those "bullets" for other reasons ... why can't they just number their statements so you don't have to count them? It especially bugs me in official documents, where you have to refer to section 5.3.1, Bullet #3 :rolleyes:

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