Annihilating Boy Toys


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Drizzt
December 27, 2005, 02:14 AM
Annihilating Boy Toys
Peace On Earth = No Fun for Sons.

By Carrie Lukas

For kids, Christmas means toys. For boys in particular, the hottest toys often have a martial theme BB guns, army men, light sabers and the like.

But this Christmas season, some parents trudging to the malls for G.I. Joes have had to meet the politically correct platoons now infiltrating the local Toys R' Us.

Code Pink, a leftist women's outfit that's a fixture at antiwar rallies, is taking a break from protesting real conflict in Iraq to campaign against so-called "war toys." As the Pink website warns: "Every holiday season manufactures prey on our children with pro-war propaganda disguised as innocent toys. Don't let your child be a victim of G.I. Joe!"

I feel compelled to note that the gracefully aging ladies of Code Pink obviously never have watched an actual G.I. Joe cartoon since the Real American Hero's enemies are famous for rolling, flying, or parachuting their way out of danger. The Teletubbies have a better kill rate than Joe and his comrades.

Nevertheless, Code Pink is calling for parents to boycott purveyors of pretend weaponry. Fair enough, I suppose. If American parents really think that a cowboy hat and plastic six shooter will turn their little darling into a senseless killer, then by all means: Send a message by buying "The Rainforest Playset" or "Sensitivity: The Boardgame" instead. Voting with your dollars it's the free market at work. Code Pinkers horrified by a foam ninja throwing stars or a water gun can avoid these things and argue that others should too.

Yet Code Pink goes way beyond the venerable boycott. While the group urges activists to don pink camouflage and distribute sidewalk propaganda on the evils of war toys, it also instructs would-be peace warriors to pursue their campaign inside stores.

One suggested tactic is the "buy and return." The idea is for activists themselves to purchase war toys and then head straight to customer service. There they return the offending products while engaging in a verbal strike imploring managers to take "violent" toys off the shelves and pestering fellow customers about war toys' dangers. (Certainly, there's no better way to win converts than to gum up the return and exchange lines during the holiday rush.) Code Pink suggests pre-arranging local media to cover the impending ruckus.

At least Code Pink's "buy and return" silliness is probably legal. Operation "Stick It To 'Em," however, encourages activists to deface private property by placing surgeon general-style warning labels on offending toys. The Code Pink website includes helpful samples that, they explain, are easily printed on sticky mailing labels. One sums up the heart of the campaign: "Violent Toys=Violent Boys."

That equation just doesn't add up. Clearly, not all toys are virtuous or appropriate for children. Video games like Grand Theft Audio, in which players can decapitate police officers (or alternatively, set them on fire or brutalize them with a chainsaw), are unhealthy for children and probably for everyone else. Some toys have few redeeming values.

Yet there's a big difference between GTA: Vice City and G.I. Joe, plastic army men, or Super Soakers. As Code Pink says, wars real wars aren't games. But the reverse also is true: Games aren't wars. Neither research nor common sense supports quashing the natural tendency of little boys to play soldier, cowboy, or cop. And like it or not, violence is a reality in the world and soldiers and policemen aren't villains to most Americans. These professions embody the discipline, responsibility, and self-sacrifice that most parents want to nurture in their children. What better way for kids to express admiration and explore these virtues than through games and make believe?

Sometimes games turn ugly. Rough-and-tumble play can lead to bruised egos as well as bruised knees and elbows. Parents should set limits and exercise supervision to ensure that games and play don't go too far. Such parental involvement teaching limits and under what circumstances aggressive behavior is appropriate will do far more to shape boys into honorable young men than costumed whining at toy stores.

Carrie Lukas is the director of policy at the Independent Women's Forum.

http://www.nationalreview.com/comment/lukas200512220840.asp

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shaldag
December 27, 2005, 02:28 AM
some people need to get a life. I know a lot of parents who would never buy "toy guns" for their children, and I have watched some of those children "make" toy guns out of sticks, etc.

For myself, I don't really think that I will worry too much about toy guns. But I am paying very close attention to the threads on these forums like "at what age should I take my duaghter to the range?"

Valkman
December 27, 2005, 03:16 AM
They are right! Skip the toy crap and get 'em a .22 - lots more fun. :D

pax
December 27, 2005, 03:24 AM
Boy oh boy, am I a bad mom...

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=168923

I'd hate to think what these simpering fools would think of that!

pax

robert garner
December 27, 2005, 07:32 AM
Hello Code Pink!
I must comfess that upon hearing of your anti-war-toy program,my initial thought was not about how well balanced and rational you were. I had to 'do a google' to verify that such an group truly existed! A quick perusal of your web site has led me to address you here.
As you can well imagine being a Father of a ten year old son, a Southerner and a despiser of all things PC, Nanny state, Blissninny and Moonbat My initial reaction was ***!;
However very little cognization was required arrive at the conclusion that you were in fact and un-deniably ABSOLUTELY CORRECT ! Please be informed that from this point in time I have deprived my son of of all such toys. After having a sit down talk with him about History, Rights and the duty of a Father to raise his Son into a responsible Citizen of this Great Republic of Ours, He too saw that playing with toy guns;and its ilk;Playing cops and robbers, cowboys and indians;GI and whoever was the bad guy 'de jour,' de- humanized the other and made killing them a public service,instead of an act against God and Man! My son will never be raised to be a mindless destroyer of humanity!
So now he has a CZ .22 rifle complete with scope, and a Smith and Wesson .22 revolver! My my he will never ever PLAY, with guns again!
Thank you for helping me to see the light, and of course if there is anything I can do to help , do not hesitate to give me a chance to further our commitment to eliminating these evil and depraved toys from our society! Also let me extend an offer
to train any of your members and their children safe and sane gun handling and control.
Keep your booger hooks of the bangswitch !!! ha ha
Robert Garner

jsalcedo
December 27, 2005, 08:12 AM
I was never allowed "violent" toys, books, comics, tv or movies as a child. I would have to buy my action hero pulp paperbacks and hide them in my socks to get them past my mother.

Everything was off limits. Well Jokes on her. I made my own toy guns and swords and as an adult I've got more guns than I can count or remember.

Am I a brainwashed violent misanthrope? Nope sorry. and I even play GTA III.

When are these fools going to realize that consistant effective parenting
is one of the only ways to keep kids from becoming sociopathic.

Good article.

silverbird
December 27, 2005, 08:22 AM
My mom tried to raise me that way....no toy guns. She quickly learned that it was a losing battle when I would make a gun out of a stick, properly shaped rock, or whatever else I could get my hands on. I still have a decent collection of toy guns from my youth :)

Boys will be boys nomatter what the "Ladies in Pink" (or whatever their name is) try to do.

Janitor
December 27, 2005, 08:26 AM
The only reason I have an AR15 is because some misguided individual got me a 'Johnny Seven OMA*' when I was a wee tot. I blame Hasbro and all the rest of the evil toy gun manufacturers for the fact that I buy ammo for my SKS 1100 rounds at a time.
-

* OMA = One Man Army
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armoredman
December 27, 2005, 08:36 AM
Just guns? I got my son a Panzer IVH, a STuG IV, a M2 Bradley, an FAV, and all the little toy guns and action figures to go with them. He ain't gonna be violent - he's going to learn to command a bunch of violent people!

1911 guy
December 27, 2005, 09:35 AM
I didn't have toy guns as a kid, either. We were too freaking poor! I got toys for Christmas (I can still say "Christmas", can't I?) but why spend cash on a toy gun when any stick will do? So far I've never robbed a liquor store or mugged an old lady, so my parents must have done something right. I'm in my mid thieties and have just recently bought my first BB gun. Had lots of actual firearms, but never a BB gun before. Well, I gotta go outside and play now.

cpileri
December 27, 2005, 11:31 AM
Y'know, i was reading Kim Du Toit's article (with a famous and catchy, if somewhat vulgar title) and he makes a point in it that the 'pink ladies' help reinforce:

If you watch little boys and little girls play, you see some striking differences. Little boys play, fight over the toys, run around, fight again, decide the toys aren't exciting enought so they begin to crash them into things, throw them, etc. Little girls play by establishing roles: the mommy, the daddy, the baby, etc. and if little boys play with them the boys are shoved into one of the roles and have to play within the confines of that role as defined, of course, by the little girls. If the boys dont 'play right' then they aren't playing anymore. The point is that little boys do what little boys do, and when they interact it sometimes is cooperative and sometimes is fighting and then they return to doing their own thing. But little girls want everyone to play like little girls.

And when they grow up, and go into politics, these former little girls still want us all to play by thier rules.
(paraphrased)

This point was made in his blog, i believe. Have to admit, as 'chauvinist' as it sounds he has a point.
C-

TexasRifleman
December 27, 2005, 11:35 AM
some people need to get a life. I know a lot of parents who would never buy "toy guns" for their children, and I have watched some of those children "make" toy guns out of sticks, etc.



I refused to buy my son any "toy guns" UNTIL he made a few out of sticks, tape, and empty paper towel rolls. After showing the proper imagination and initiative, then we moved into more realistic toys. I agree with the article 100% - Do not buy toy guns for your children (unless they make their own first) :evil:

Tomcat1066
December 27, 2005, 11:47 AM
Just because of this article, I'm going to go out this afternoon and buy my son MORE toy guns!

Tom
who's son keeps his toy sixgun on the nightstand, just like Daddy does with his CZ 75B :D

longeyes
December 27, 2005, 11:47 AM
The feminists have had a War on Aggression (paradoxically) for over thirty years. Remove aggression from mankind and you have stagnation, decay. The problem isn't aggression, it's turning that aggression to noble and responsible ends. The more they come down on everything that makes boys boys, the more the distortions of thug rap and Grand Theft Auto there will be to fill the void.

sm
December 27, 2005, 12:43 PM
Well hell - I turned out all right! :D

I am convinced things have gone to hell in a handbasket :

-Kids don't always have a firearm awaiting them to be born.
-Kids are supposed to be yelled at umpteen times when supper is ready - kids are too busy riding bikes, shooting guns down the way, or putting lizards in pockets to surprise Mom on Wash day -to hear these umpteen hollerings.
-Kids are supposed to be able to ride bikes, walk down the road, take a bus with their guns and fishing poles.
-Kids are supposed to play Cowboy and Indians, Americans vs Germans, and if the damn Indians want to shoot arrows at the Germans - makes sense to me.
-Kids do not have the parenting they should - meaning , amongst other things, going plinking, getting into shooting sports.
-Kids do not get to bring guns and knives to school. That sucks, just how in the hell is a kid supposed to learn WoodShop stuff, sharpen knives, tweak stocks, and make knife handles?
-Kids had to learn 911. What? With the new math they are not supposed to learn how to dial the "whole" phone number -direct line to Law Enforcement?
-Malls are total waste of good rifle ranges, indoor shooting ranges and I know for a fact some great hunting areas today are gone. Hell if was a critter I'd be pissed off too.
-Kids don't have balconies in Picture Shows, and No More Drive In Picture shows - at times a kid needs a break from firearms. Learning Anatomy and Physiology is a good something to learn. I mean it helps to know what is where and where something goes...I learned about the triangle when I was a kid, Nose and Nipples, put a shot there and lights out. Later I learned about the triangle when the lights were out...


Nope, sorry man, ain't buying this PC crap.

Nation of Winners not Whiners.
Nation of Survivors not Sensitivity Freaks.

Oh, more thing:

Skinny bicycle tires. Just how in the hell is a kid supposed to learn how to hit a moving target with a wimpy tire that won't hold a pc of cardboard right?

Hell in a handbasket I tell ya.

:D

Berek
December 27, 2005, 12:47 PM
They are right! Skip the toy crap and get 'em a .22 - lots more fun. :D

My 11 year old wants my 9mm Hi-Point Carbine... I'm not sure a .22 would do it for her...

Berek
December 27, 2005, 12:59 PM
-Malls are total waste of good rifle ranges, indoor shooting ranges and I know for a fact some great hunting areas today are gone. Hell if was a critter I'd be pissed off too.

You forgot golf courses....

Oh, more thing:

Skinny bicycle tires. Just how in the hell is a kid supposed to learn how to hit a moving target with a wimpy tire that won't hold a pc of cardboard right?

Hell in a handbasket I tell ya.

:D

Or is this where the golf courses come in? :D

SomeKid
December 27, 2005, 02:11 PM
That equation just doesn't add up. Clearly, not all toys are virtuous or appropriate for children. Video games like Grand Theft Audio, in which players can decapitate police officers (or alternatively, set them on fire or brutalize them with a chainsaw), are unhealthy for children and probably for everyone else. Some toys have few redeeming values.


Who wants to email her and tell her the game is Auto?

And it isn't that fun. Quite boring really. Area 51, FEAR, WoW, Empire Earth, now those are fun. (Especially Area 51, makes GTA 3 look like a girls game.)

dasmi
December 27, 2005, 02:20 PM
Just guns? I got my son a Panzer IVH, a STuG IV, a M2 Bradley, an FAV, and all the little toy guns and action figures to go with them. He ain't gonna be violent - he's going to learn to command a bunch of violent people!
:D That's great!

50 Shooter
December 27, 2005, 02:24 PM
SM,
Your post was great.:)

I attribute it to the wussification of man! I'm sick of seeing boys told that they can't do something that's totally harmless because it's PC to do so. Let boys be boys and they'll grow up fine. Be a friggin parent and teach them the things they need to know and they'll be fine. What right and wrong mean and to mind their manners.

Stop hovering over them and turning them into pansies! Let them know what's it's like to lose a game or not come in first or always be the best. That way when they grow up they will know what it's like and what being a good sport is all about.

SRFL
December 27, 2005, 02:28 PM
....I remember my dad making a toy gun (made to look like a semi-auto pistol...and really close to a Colt 1903/08) from wood which he painted. I wish I still had it too so I could have given it to one of my boys when they were young....but according to Code Pink, that would have made me bad, bad dad like my dad.

grampster
December 27, 2005, 02:54 PM
50 shooter: +1

Carl N. Brown
December 27, 2005, 03:14 PM
I made a pretend Lewis gun by nailing a can on top of a baseball bat;
my cousin and I cut "L" shaped pieces of board and pretended they
were Army .45s. If you outlaw toy guns, ....

mbs357
December 27, 2005, 03:29 PM
I had toy guns, violent games (I played Resident Evil at 8 or 9) and watched all sorts of violent movies growing up, but I'm harmless. I'm even more harmless than most of the people/kids I know who aren't/weren't allowed to do the things I did.
So my conclusion: They're wrong.

R.H. Lee
December 27, 2005, 03:43 PM
The children of these blissninnys will rebel, overcome their 'issues', and become radical right wing warmongers. Take that, CodePink. :p

cuchulainn
December 27, 2005, 03:50 PM
Hmm, from the title, I thought this thread would be about a pogrom against male models.

Anyways, add me to the list of those who played with toy guns and turned out OK.

More important to the peaceful develolpment of little boys is a strong-but-kind male role model. That lack is our problem, not toy guns.

sm
December 27, 2005, 05:49 PM
<CaddyShack Theme Song>

Well...

While there is something to said about a Golf Course being wasted, and better used for a rifle range, clay target range, or similar...

I get a bit older and "learnt" something.

-They took out one old golf course, got a bunch of Whiny Butt Folks type Condos , Apartments, and businesses. Not to mention on the "way back" nine one could ride dirt bikes, cut across to some great fishing, and hunting. Now it is a "safe gated community" that the whiny butts keep getting robbed.

-Another Golf course when the River floods it...see ya getcha a jonboat and some waders. Go get the fish and not have to deal with rods, reels, hooks , bait....take a gun or three...LOTs of snakes!

"Officer, I am doing my Ethical Critter Duties and not wasting game".
"And them shotguns and sidearms are for..."
"Better for me to have these fish , <sniff, moist eyes, sniff> and share with the unfortunate elderly. <aw, gee whiz> than snakes and critters"

"Why yes of course, what a charitable thing to do - ya'll be careful ya hear?"

Hey, we had girls in on this dealie, and nobody said the elderly couldn't be kinfolks that knew how to do hushpuppies up right.

--

I may or may not be aware of how silent an electric golf cart can be at night. Or have any knowledge of lights after dark being that of "groundskeeper" , 'cause State Reg's "say" one ain't supposed to be shining lights after dark unless frog gigging, or coon hunting in certain seasons.

Tip: Ya know them guns that shoot ping pong balls? Wind catches them real easy, but once on the green, a pool cue works great for a putter.

All in the name of research of course, I mean a ping pong ball "looks" like it'll fit in a hole for a golf ball - but one must be thorough in research - right?

Them inexpensive , lightweight canvas golf bags ...err...always liked them best anyway.

:D

bermbuster
December 27, 2005, 05:54 PM
I must be a terrible GM. I bought all of mine some wooden rubberband guns for Christmas :D I am sure their fathers approve. Not sure about their mothers. Probably just because of the rubberbands all over the house :neener:

Phyphor
December 27, 2005, 06:06 PM
Boy oh boy, am I a bad mom...

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=168923

I'd hate to think what these simpering fools would think of that!

pax

They'd probably call CPS on you, for "contributing to the delinquency of a minor(s)."
:barf: :banghead: :cuss:

cpileri
December 27, 2005, 06:15 PM
Hmm, from the title, I thought this thread would be about a pogrom against male models.

Anyways, add me to the list of those who played with toy guns and turned out OK.

More important to the peaceful develolpment of little boys is a strong-but-kind male role model. That lack is our problem, not toy guns.


Y'know, i thought the same thing! i always thought a 'Boy Toy' was something you became in prison if you weren't the meanest guy around.

i remember my mother saying that when we were kids, she contemplated not allowing us to have toy guns. But she reasoned that a boy without toy guns made them with sticks, or used their fingers; and since that was the point, she let us have them. She was a damn good mom, and so were all the other moms and dads of all the friends i played with. We answered to ALL of them!

We grew up doing all sorts of unspeakable things: we were Boy Scouts;
we went to Catholic Church; we played with toy guns; we played Dungeons and Dragons (remember that!?!?!); we played hard and got dirt everywhere; we wrestled ON PURPOSE just to see who would win (and showed no mercy to our little brothers, who didn't expect any); we built forts out of whatever materials were available and then tried to 'destroy' them with artillery fire (thrown rocks); we rode our bikes EVERYWHERE and crashed them into things, each other, and the forts; we had to go home for dinner when called and we got spanked when we didn't; we paid in hard earned allowance money for EVERY window we ever broke and we had to suck it up and apologize to the owner for breaking it; we got grades like A and B when we earned them and D and F if we didn't; we addressed each others parents as "Mister' and 'Mrs" so-and-so... the list goes on and on.

By todays standards, we were evil kids participating in all of the world's most evil institutions. The HORROR!! How could we possibly have developed any self-esteem when pitted against such a competitive situation where we might actually LOSE, or get graded, or get hurt, or address and adult by their respectful title???

Today we are 2 MD's, an Engineer, a cop, a neurophysiologist, a paralegal, a professor at a major university, and an actor (believe it or not). We are all still married to our first and only spouses, and have started families of our own. None of us are drug addicts, nor have ever been in jail.

i am very proud of us! (so please allow me the indulgence above) And I am absolutely certain that we are NOT unusual; lots of folks can say the same about their friends as well!

Do you think the world can handle more people like us?

C-

TheArchDuke
December 27, 2005, 06:20 PM
Whoa...what a coincidence! I just went to wal-mart today to buy one of those foot-tall G.I Joe guys. Of course there were none of them there. I thought maybe they were just out of them because of Christmas (x-mas...sorry)...but nope, there was not even an empty spot designated for them. I was pissed.

Mnemesyne
December 27, 2005, 06:20 PM
does this mean I was corrupted as a child since I hated Barbie and wanted the Star Wars action figures? I had my lil green army men set and the GI Joes too :evil:

It's parenting people...not the cartoons, comics, toys or movies....Be a parent to your kids and teach them right from wrong, reality from fiction....First the air bubbles thing and now campaigns against toys :rolleyes:

Oh the joys of todays world....The anti's and blissninnies would have a fit at some of the things I got to mess with as a kid :evil:


Mneme

Standing Wolf
December 27, 2005, 06:38 PM
Guns aren't toys.

My personal belief is that children ought to have real guns and be encouraged to develop good safety and accuracy skills at the earliest possible age. It's a responsibility thing.

bumm
December 27, 2005, 06:40 PM
Two or three Christmases ago, I was looking through the toy section in a nearby K Mart, and overheard some poor father down the aisle a ways asking a female employee of the store if they had a certain toy gun his son wanted. She was obviously an anti, and got her panties all in a wad as she looked very concerned and explained to him how no one wants toy guns anymore, and they just don't stock many, etc. etc, etc. The more I listened, the annoyder I got, and after awhile I announced from my end of the aisle, "Toy guns are the only thing I could figure out how to play with anymore."
Marty

carp killer
December 27, 2005, 08:41 PM
I remember when G.I.Joe kicked Ken's ass and married Barbie.:evil: Ken was such a wimp.:neener:

CAS700850
December 28, 2005, 09:32 AM
I remember when G.I.Joe kicked Ken's ass and married Barbie.:evil: Ken was such a wimp.:neener:

And I remember when the Barbie who lived next door to my barracks of G.I. Joe's "borrowed" a 1911 from the Joes just in case the bad guys came to her house.

I had an arsenal of toy guns as I grew up. Which led to an interest in real guns. Which led to an interest ni the military and West Point. Which transitioned into an interest in law enforcement. Which transitioned into law school and my current occupation.

So, I guess you all would now agree. Toy guns made me a lawyer. Can you think of anything worse? :D ;)

Manedwolf
December 28, 2005, 09:35 AM
Fell for the game hype again, though, they did.

GTA is CLEARLY marked as being only suitable for those over 17 years of age. Personally, if a parent bought it for their young kid, I'd be all for charging them with "contributing to the delinquincy of a minor".

ADULTS have a right to do what they wish in viewing entertainment, interactive or otherwise.

Tomcat1066
December 28, 2005, 09:44 AM
And parents have a right to decide what type of games are appropriate for their child. I won't by GTA for my son at this point, but if I feel he's mature enough for a game like it later on, I'll definately buy it for him.

Granted, a lot of parents don't care, but where do you draw the line? What's next? Telling me what shows I'm allowed to let my son watch?

Tom

Selfdfenz
December 28, 2005, 03:50 PM
Me thinks this is less about childrens toys and more with the fact there is a Y chromosome.

S-

spartacus2002
December 29, 2005, 07:26 AM
The woman who wrote that article would hyperventilate if she ever saw young boys on a hill having "dirt clod wars."

CypherNinja
December 29, 2005, 01:08 PM
Somebody e-mail 'em this:

http://www.olegvolk.net/gallery/arms/allpink4803


:D :D :D

HankB
December 29, 2005, 01:35 PM
I remember when G.I.Joe kicked Ken's ass and married Barbie. Ken was such a wimp.That must have been with the old "unrealistic" Barbie, not the fatter & flatter more PC new one. :neener:

ambush
December 29, 2005, 02:02 PM
I guess code pink would lynch me....Santa just brought my 12 y.o. a new .223 bench rifle and my 9 y.o. a new crickett .22 . Oh yea....my 12 y.o. sleeps with his red rider under his bed too!:)

carp killer
December 29, 2005, 08:29 PM
That must have been with the old "unrealistic" Barbie, not the fatter & flatter more PC new one.

!966 model.:evil:

Lucky
December 29, 2005, 09:39 PM
When did violence become a bad thing? I should start a political rights group furthering the cause of violence as a human endeavour, nay an essence of the human condition.

jsalcedo
December 29, 2005, 09:43 PM
Hasn't finding new ways to kill and new ways to keep from being killed been the impetus for most technological advances for the past 10,000 years?

Chrontius
December 30, 2005, 04:41 AM
The children of these blissninnys will rebel, overcome their 'issues', and become radical right wing warmongers. Take that, CodePink. :p

more insightful than you know, but they'll still have some issues left. :uhoh:

Hasn't finding new ways to kill and new ways to keep from being killed been the impetus for most technological advances for the past 10,000 years?

"If necessity is the mother of invention, then hostility is its father." Paraphrased from the original Unreal manual.

artherd
December 30, 2005, 06:02 AM
The Code Pink website includes helpful samples that, they explain, are easily printed on sticky mailing labels. One sums up the heart of the campaign: "Violent Toys=Violent Boys."

Awesome, sue 'em for sexual discrimination! I want a "Violent Toys=Violent Girls" stickers placed in equal numbers!

(Oh yeah and fines + criminal convictions for people vandalizing private property.)

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