Hollywood's attitude towards hunters, etc.


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JesseJames
December 27, 2005, 01:04 PM
I get a little tired of Hollywoods depiction of hunters and gun owners. I was watching that show on WB called 'Supernatural' and they had an episode where they had to find someone in the woods kidnapped by some man-beast. Well anyway, they took a hunter as a guide. The hunter was portrayed as a total a-hole; and, wouldn't you know it, he's the one that gets killed first. :rolleyes:
Then there's 'Bambi'. I blame that one movie of warping more young minds than any other about nature with its anthropomorphic opera. :rolleyes:
Now there's this new 3-D animated movie called 'Open Season'. Go see the trailer and see for yourself. Yup, you guessed it, the hunter is portrayed as a slackjawed, pickup driving, beer swilling, bore of a rube.
Those writers and artsy types in Hollywood just really get on my nerves sometimes.
The only celebrity that seems to have any sense at all about the whole gun and hunting thing is Tom Selleck. I think he's a good guy and it seems a lone voice of reason in the circus of Hollywood.

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Hollowdweller
December 27, 2005, 01:28 PM
Yeah I have noticed the stereotype about guns and hunters. Ministers are most always crooks, blacks are criminals.

It's really just ignorance on the part of the creators of the shows.

Berek
December 27, 2005, 02:13 PM
Junk like this has been going on since movies started... Look at "Deliverance". After that film, everyone thought Southerners were inbred, sodomy-addicted homocidal maniacs. After "Sling Blade", all mentally infirm ppl spoke weird and killed. And the list goes on.

I think the solution would be to have a dedicated hunter/gun-owner type to start making movies. The problem is that we're all having too much fun with life to do it.

DOWN WITH HOLLYWEIRD!!!!

Mauserguy
December 27, 2005, 03:22 PM
Well, personally I am a slack jawed, pickup driving, beer swilling, bore of a rube and a hunter: and I'm proud of it.

Actually, I agree that the folks in Hollywood are intellectually lazy. They haven't had an original thought in years, and box office sales are beginning to show it. Pretty soon, they may be irrelevant.
Mauserguy

Rembrandt
December 27, 2005, 03:30 PM
Yup, you guessed it, the hunter is portrayed as a slackjawed, pickup driving, beer swilling, bore of a rube.


Sad that this is the case.....unfortunately I chase off slob hunters every year that fit this description.

SRFL
December 27, 2005, 03:33 PM
Also...look no further than "Law and Order" which always depicts FFL dealers as shifty dealers of death that are always willing be bend or break federal or state law to sell their wares and then will "hide" behind the cloak of the 2nd Amendment as they illegally sell guns to the bad guys.....sheesh.

cracked butt
December 27, 2005, 04:06 PM
Probably the worst portayal of hunters is in the movie "The Hunted,' I turned this piece of crap movie off after watching it for about 20 minutes.:fire:

Carl N. Brown
December 27, 2005, 04:28 PM
The movie "Starman" depicted hunters badly, part of a long list.

Hollywood tends to be left, urban and elitist, and puffs its own ego by
tearing down non-left, rural and ordinary folks who they never want
to meet or comprehend (it might burst their self important bubble).

Hollywood folks are out of contact with reality, but are now crusading
in national politics based on their stereotypes and cliches. :grumble:

CB900F
December 27, 2005, 05:46 PM
Fella's;

Yup, us slack-jawed, beer-swilling, landowners frequently have to correct the locations & attitudes of Mercedes dwelling, GPS fumbling, techie attitude, "hunters", who stray into the boondocks. It has at times, been educational on both sides of the equation.

:evil: 900F

VirgilCaine
December 27, 2005, 06:08 PM
I get a little tired of Hollywoods depiction of hunters and gun owners. I was watching that show on WB called 'Supernatural' and they had an episode where they had to find someone in the woods kidnapped by some man-beast. Well anyway, they took a hunter as a guide. The hunter was portrayed as a total a-hole; and, wouldn't you know it, he's the one that gets killed first. :rolleyes:

No dude, that was becase he was the skeptic not because he was a hunter.

V4Vendetta
December 27, 2005, 06:29 PM
"Also...look no further than "Law and Order" which always depicts FFL dealers as shifty dealers of death that are always willing be bend or break federal or state law to sell their wares and then will "hide" behind the cloak of the 2nd Amendment as they illegally sell guns to the bad guys.....sheesh."

I'm not surprised. The president of NBC is against gun ownership by civilians. Here is this quote by him.

"There is no reason for anyone in this country . . . to buy, to own, to have, to use a handgun ...The only way to control handgun use in this country is to prohibit the guns.

"In fact, only police, soldiers -- and, maybe, licensed target ranges -- should have handguns. No one else needs one."

I never watch "law & order". I nag my parents because they do. I tell them to see "Road to Perdition" or "Sanford & Son".

wolf_from_wv
December 28, 2005, 12:26 AM
The movie "Starman" depicted hunters badly, part of a long list.

Hollywood tends to be left, urban and elitist, and puffs its own ego by
tearing down non-left, rural and ordinary folks who they never want
to meet or comprehend (it might burst their self important bubble).

Hollywood folks are out of contact with reality, but are now crusading
in national politics based on their stereotypes and cliches. :grumble:


Anybody watch "Wrong Turn"?

VirgilCaine
December 28, 2005, 12:53 AM
Anybody watch "Wrong Turn"?

Anybody watch "Texas Chainsaw Massacre"? "Deliverance"? "Breakdown"?

zedheadmc
December 28, 2005, 01:50 AM
Unbelievable what people think, why I never swill my beer. I chug it of course.

IndianaDean
December 28, 2005, 01:51 AM
That's why I don't watch any nightly programs on network television. I haven't for years. My colleague here at work is watching Supernatural on tape even as I type. Quite frankly, after being away from network programs for a length of time, they all s*ck. I can see from outside standpoint the amount of social and political brainwashing that goes into these programs.

The legal/cop shows are the worst. Alot of the things they depict in their programs just are not accurate at all. I think the one legal show that comes the closest to being accurate is the original Law and Order.

Red Dragon
December 28, 2005, 02:45 AM
One of the problems with mainstream hollywood is they they do to groups what they do to some actors. Typecasting. A small group of films with the same theme set some sort of standard for how everyone else should portray similar characters. Fortunately, there is the occasional movie that potrays these groups much more accurately. Thats why in the independent films that I try to work on, I pick the ones that don't go with the hollywood stereotype character styles and the ones that do, I try to throw my two cents in to see if they can make some subtle changes that make things more accurate. That's why I'm glad that I was chosen to be the tech advisor for the production I'm currently working on. It gives me a much better chance to be of some influence as to how the character types are portrayed.

saltydog
December 28, 2005, 07:26 AM
I don't Hunt but a good Bambi is a Bambi on my kitchen table!:D

shaldag
December 28, 2005, 08:26 AM
there was a time, not too long ago, when actors and people associated with the "entertainment industry" of the time were not considered fit company for polite society. They were considered to be only marginally honest (perhaps because they made a profession out of portaying other people). Somehow, the camera changed all that, and today, celebrities are the most lionized people in the world--and this is an attitude pioneered by the US culture.

As stated above, the average Hollywood person has no contact with any other sectors of society--especially those who produce the products and services that make Western society possible--i.e. that give us the huge amount of leisure time that makes possible the very existence of Hollywood.

I solve the problem of Hollywood by not allowing it to enter my little space. I don't know how much longer that I can continue to fight this battle, as my girls will be growing up, and I can't shelter them forever.....

TrapdoorBilly
December 28, 2005, 09:08 AM
Stop watching the crap they put out.

CAS700850
December 28, 2005, 09:52 AM
On the contrary, I suggest you do watch, at least occassionally. Think of it as intelligence gathering against the enemy. :evil:

Seriously, much of network television is garbage anymore. Even the comedy programming is often too political, or social. There are exceptions, but they are few and far between.

Tomcat1066
December 28, 2005, 09:58 AM
Probably the worst portayal of hunters is in the movie "The Hunted,' I turned this piece of crap movie off after watching it for about 20 minutes.:fire:

Are you talking about the movie with Tommy Lee Jones? If so, the plot goes on to explain that those weren't REALLY hunters. The movie still sucked though ;)

Tom

XLMiguel
December 28, 2005, 10:24 AM
Come on guys, we keep beating this horse to no avail.

It's the entertaimentment industry (and I use the term loosely). This has several key implications:
1 - Good theater requires (assumes?) suspension of belief, that is, they admit going in that it ain't real. (hint: people go to the movies/watch TV to 'escape' their dreary lives. If your life isn't dreary, why bother?)
2 - The 'industry' is made up of people who are paid silly sums of money to play 'make believe' and to write 'make believe' stories for those same silly people to play 'make believe' in. There's a reason some don't consider acting to be honest work.
3 - Since these people spend most of their lives and energy in a made-up world, i.e. look at the crap they label as "reality TV", real life is inconvenient and rudely intrusive to them(which might explain why substance abuse is pprevalent among the glitteratti).
4 - It's all an illusion - form over substance, as long as you look 'marvelous', what wlse matters? Their lives are empty, so in their 'off' time they must create drama and fabricate an agenda that validates their existance and gives them a sense of importance. And it works because no one ever went broke underestimating the tastes of the American public (and perhaps much of the American public does, indeed, lead dreary lives?). If the slack-jawed rubes didn't buy their crap, they'd go away (we have met the Enemy and he is us -).

It's about Fantasyland. They can't relate to 'ordinary' people who enjoy a day in the woods, enjoying Nature in real time, with the upside possibility of some fresh meat unaltered by syntesized feed, growth hormones, warehouse/feed lots, and cellophane. "Oridnary' ain't sensational (most of the time, thank God) or particularly interesting or entertaining to the uninvolved, but we should all be happy that we have a 'real' life.

Majic
December 28, 2005, 10:27 AM
If you don't care for it then you don't have to watch it. There are sports and outdoor channels.

hayseed
December 28, 2005, 10:48 AM
The legal/cop shows are the worst. Alot of the things they depict in their programs just are not accurate at all.

Add the CSI franchise to this. If I hear "the gun was registered to so-and-so" one more time I'm done with this series. I'm serious.

Hollywood and Manhattan can't enter your home unless you allow them to.

Oldtimer
December 28, 2005, 11:04 AM
We need more movies like "Red Dawn"! Just think of how politically incorrect that "Hollywood" movie was! Teenaged boys that had been taught how to hunt by their fathers! Well-adjusted kids who, when confronted with violence, became "patriots", "survivalists" and "freedom fighters"! Family-oriented kids who were suddenly on their own to make decisions, live off the land, and to avenge the deaths of their loved ones!

Thank you, John Milius! You are a shining star in the cess pool of "Hollywood"!

VirgilCaine
December 28, 2005, 11:06 AM
Add the CSI franchise to this. If I hear "the gun was registered to so-and-so" one more time I'm done with this series. I'm serious.


God, yes. Same for ballistic "fingerprinting"!

Could they have another emotionally-motivated, sloppy murder committed by someone who confesses in an emotional explosion...please?

So the killer has bungee-corded his rifle to a tree...obviously this means he has military or extensive hunting experience!

Bleeaaugh!

Carl N. Brown
December 28, 2005, 11:09 AM
Actors are professionals liars and all entertainment is tall tales.
But actors today seem to believe their stereoypes and crusade to
change the world by pushing law and politics based on fantasy.
Picture Sean Penn in Iraq.

gremlin_bros
December 28, 2005, 11:38 AM
Add the CSI franchise to this. If I hear "the gun was registered to so-and-so" one more time I'm done with this series. I'm serious.

Hollywood and Manhattan can't enter your home unless you allow them to.
God, yes. Same for ballistic "fingerprinting"!

Could they have another emotionally-motivated, sloppy murder committed by someone who confesses in an emotional explosion...please?

So the killer has bungee-corded his rifle to a tree...obviously this means he has military or extensive hunting experience!

Bleeaaugh!
not than i am disagreeing with you however. in a real life leo investigation finding out who purchased or regestered a gun is just simply a starting point, to finding the last or most recent owner of a firearm. not a who done it. now when a person is located and they say oh it got stolen last month thier still a suspect untill it is verrified that thier home was broken into and several item were stolen to include the firearm. or they sold it two years ago to john q public and it is verrified by witnesses it is simply a place to start looking. but i will also agree hollywierd uses the term way to often just because it sounds good.

BenW
December 28, 2005, 11:50 AM
a slackjawed, pickup driving, beer swilling, bore of a rube.
There's a T-Shirt in that somewhere. Fight fire with humor I always say. Let the enemy underestimate you I always say. :)

hayseed
December 28, 2005, 12:00 PM
not than i am disagreeing with you however. in a real life leo investigation finding out who purchased or regestered a gun is just simply a starting point, to finding the last or most recent owner of a firearm

I understand finding out who purchased a gun, but (please correct me if I'm wrong) there is no gun registration in Florida or Nevada (two of the CSI backdrops). This is why you have ignorant sheeple ask things like "oh my gosh, is that thing registered??"

gremlin_bros
December 28, 2005, 12:57 PM
as far as i know Nevada nor fl has a gun reg but the serial number can be tracked from factory to store of original sale then its off to the judge to get warrant for the paperwork of who bought it this is where the atf comes in then go to the purchaser to start the loooooong tracking process to find the end of the who bought it and sold it thing. it's long tiresome and very rarely gets good results but it has to be done in a thorough investigation. and yes your right about sheeple and gun registration for the most part. i do know that people in certain lines of work (mostly leo) who have to carry a gun have to qualify with a sidearm and can only carry the sidearm the qual with so it has to be regestred with the dept which gun the quailed with. so occasionally yes you do get Lucky but most of the time it's a wild goose chase.

spaceCADETzoom
December 28, 2005, 01:18 PM
Nevada does not register guns. But CLARK COUNTY, which Las Vegas is in, registers each and every handgun purchase. Nevada is a very open, liberal state when it comes to gun laws. But Clark County, because of Vegas, has enacted its own handgun regulations. Been that way for decades...

They get "blue cards" and after you buy your first handgun, each subsequent handgun is not subject to waiting periods with showing your blue card. Rifles/longarms have no waiting periods or registration...

GEM
December 28, 2005, 01:28 PM
The Supernatural guys carry lots of guns and are not afraid to use them! I find them refreshing as compared to most supernaturally based shows. Most of them are quite wussy. If Buffy carried a M4 - she could have resolved most of her problems.

Also, the show was about Wendigos. IIRC, the original story was written by Ambrose Bierce and based on hunters who screwed up. This was penned in the late 1890's or early 1900s.

Did you see the episodes where the boys hosed a ghost with a 1911 or used sawed off shotguns?

However, I do agree that most shows are prejudicial against gun owners.

spaceCADETzoom
December 28, 2005, 01:40 PM
The Supernatural guys carry lots of guns and are not afraid to use them! I find them refreshing as compared to most supernaturally based shows. Most of them are quite wussy. If Buffy carried a M4 - she could have resolved most of her problems.

Also, the show was about Wendigos. IIRC, the original story was written by Ambrose Bierce and based on hunters who screwed up. This was penned in the late 1890's or early 1900s.

Did you see the episodes where the boys hosed a ghost with a 1911 or used sawed off shotguns?

However, I do agree that most shows are prejudicial against gun owners.

1911s and ghosts!? I need to watch this show!

1911s and ghosts...finally, some ghostbusters with my kind of sense. I don't care what anyone says...ain't nothing can take a .45 to the face. Vampires, ghosts, blah. :)

I never fully watched supernatural. always wrote it off as something crappy like smallville. but if they're blowing away ghosts wwith 45s, I'm in.

V4Vendetta
December 28, 2005, 01:51 PM
"We need more movies like "Red Dawn"! Just think of how politically incorrect that "Hollywood" movie was! Teenaged boys that had been taught how to hunt by their fathers! Well-adjusted kids who, when confronted with violence, became "patriots", "survivalists" and "freedom fighters"! Family-oriented kids who were suddenly on their own to make decisions, live off the land, and to avenge the deaths of their loved ones!
Thank you, John Milius! You are a shining star in the cess pool of "Hollywood"!"

I would have liked "Red Dawn" better if they didn't make so many mistakes. I realize that they were just kids, but even I know not to stay in the same spot firing a AK-47 on a target that hadn't been brought down with a RPG.:banghead: Also, *********SPOILERS*******why would Jeb shoot at a guy with a SA revolver when the other guy had a machine pistol!?!? I know it was just a movie, but how could a few inexperienced 19 year olds defeat trained soldiers!!! I could understand a few wins, but all the time!?:banghead:

Stainless0ne
December 28, 2005, 01:52 PM
Actors are people who are paid to act like real people, but forget to offstage! With notable exceptions like Sir Charleton Heston, Tom Seleck, and very few others. Give a gun to an anti-gun fanatic and put him in a cage with a tiger, watch him change his mind!








The more people i meet the more i like me!

migoi
December 28, 2005, 01:53 PM
my basic handgun safety classes with: "Good morning, you're about to have your movie and TV watching ruined forever."

Not only do the students learn what guns can and cannot do, they also come to notice the horrible gun handling practices of the folks on TV. As an added bonus they usually gain a much better picture of what a typical firearms enthusiast looks like. I teach handgun safety as part of a club of volunteer NRA firearms instructors. In the group I teach with we have: 2 public school teachers, 2 college professors, 3 general contractors, a plastic surgeon, a middle manager in the IT field, a web designer, and an alarm company owner. In fact of all the people I know that shoot, none of them come even close to fitting the description portrayed in most non-gun oriented media.

migoi

WvaBill
December 28, 2005, 02:00 PM
Anybody watch "Wrong Turn"?


I didn't recognize Greenbrier Co.:p

Carl N. Brown
December 28, 2005, 05:20 PM
Kinda hard to recognize West Virginia in Wrong Turn.
The DVD with commentary I believe said most of the
shooting was in California. Kinda like the shot of the
mountains of Illinois in the movie Beginning of the End.
California mountains. In Illinois.

If you were offended by Hollywood's portrayal of West Virginia,
take heart from this tidbit from the Internet Movie Database:
Several of the cast and crew were covered in poison ivy
throughout the filming of the movie, this was due to the chairs
being placed in what was first thought to be a group of weeds
only later to be discovered as a batch of poison oak.

JesseJames
December 28, 2005, 06:05 PM
You know what? I just ordered the movie "Quigley Down Under" featuring Tom Selleck and that marvelous piece of shooting iron - Sharps buffalo rifle.
I remember seeing it a while back and enjoyed it very much. So, I am going to support Mr. Selleck and buy the movie so he can enjoy whatever royalties he may get.
Hollywood has a lot to answer for, I don't know if it's lazy writers, or directors, but it has to be one of either or both.
This country is so celebrity obsessed it's a little frightening. The people I consider a celebrity is Chuck Yeager, Norman Schwarzkopf, Ed Visteurs, and Ted Nugent among others.
Yeah good ol' Ted. Now there's a real American. He's flamboyant but someone has to be on the sensible side of the fence.

GEM
December 28, 2005, 07:17 PM
I teach handgun safety as part of a club of volunteer NRA firearms instructors. In the group I teach with we have: 2 public school teachers, 2 college professors, 3 general contractors, a plastic surgeon, a middle manager in the IT field, a web designer, and an alarm company owner. In fact of all the people I know that shoot, none of them come even close to fitting the description portrayed in most non-gun oriented media.

migoi

Horrors, according to one of the resident geniuses on GT - you are teaching people to be surburban ninjas. Even in the gun world, we have idiots.

IndianaDean
December 28, 2005, 07:39 PM
I second Red Dawn. Most programs where characters carry guns are characters in authority, Federal agent, CSI, police, not common folks. I loved that about Red Dawn.

Malodorousroadkill
December 28, 2005, 07:56 PM
Fox sponsors the Brady Campaign fundraisers, BTW. The worst show out is "Wanted" on TNT. The ATF guy irks me something awful. It, SVU and many other crime shows all show cops/feds as noble warriors of good kept from saving us all by EVIL civil rights of the guilty.

V4Vendetta
December 28, 2005, 08:34 PM
"You know what? I just ordered the movie "Quigley Down Under" featuring Tom Selleck and that marvelous piece of shooting iron - Sharps buffalo rifle."

I saw that movie a while back. It was pretty good. Where do you suppose I could get a rifle like that?

migoi
December 28, 2005, 09:09 PM
Horrors, according to one of the resident geniuses on GT - you are teaching people to be surburban ninjas. Even in the gun world, we have idiots.


I do what I can...

migoi::D

Ryder
December 28, 2005, 09:11 PM
Hollywood's attitude towards hunters, etc.


That's ok, we don't think much of them either.

VirgilCaine
December 28, 2005, 09:53 PM
1911s and ghosts!? I need to watch this show!

1911s and ghosts...finally, some ghostbusters with my kind of sense. I don't care what anyone says...ain't nothing can take a .45 to the face. Vampires, ghosts, blah. :)

I never fully watched supernatural. always wrote it off as something crappy like smallville. but if they're blowing away ghosts with 45s, I'm in.

Rock-salt shotgun shells for the ghosts...I missed the demon episode, silver bullets for shapeshifters...the classic stuff. No vampires yet though. Several ghosts, a demon, a shapeshifter, an Indian curse, and a Wendigo.

If Buffy carried a M4 - she could have resolved most of her problems.


Resolved the vampire problems, maybe--her newfound legal problems, not so much.

I liked the show a lot.

I second Red Dawn. Most programs where characters carry guns are characters in authority, Federal agent, CSI, police, not common folks. I loved that about Red Dawn.
Exactly my problem with most action movies. 99% of protagonists are current or former LEO or military.

ReadyontheRight
December 28, 2005, 10:31 PM
surburban ninjas. Are they the ones driving the BLACK Volvos and Minivans?:D

migoi
December 29, 2005, 02:59 AM
I think I found the thread you were talking about on GT. The one titled something about differences between suburban ninjas and all american shooters..right?

The one thing our friend forgets about why those professional, desk sitting, "Mittyesque suburban ninjas" take the tacticool, high speed courses...because they are FUN. Full speed run to slide lock on multiple reactive targets is a lot more stimulating than the "5 rounds slow fire putting holes in paper at 25 or 50 yards, mag change, do over" that is allowed at the ONLY public range here on Oahu. Suprisingly, a whole lot of us can do this without imagining we are "operators" that need to patrol the streets looking for Crips. Of course, riding a bicycle doesn't mean I think I'm Mr. Armstrong either.

In reading the many replies I wonder if the psychological term "projection" shouldn't come into play in figuring out the posts.

Sorry folks for the thread drift.

migoi

spaceCADETzoom
December 29, 2005, 03:10 AM
If Buffy carried a M4 - she could have resolved most of her problems.

Resolved the vampire problems, maybe--her newfound legal problems, not so much.


I agree. Firearms wouldn't be her style. She was a vampire slayer in a medium-sized town. Most folks don't take kindly to gunshots--no matter WHAT she was shooting at. Her being a minor, no less...

For everyday vampires, considering she had superpowers, I'd stick with the stakes...(the crossbows were impractical, though). Her use of an AT4 to kill one big bad was good...too bad she only did it once (impossibly unrealistic at the 25 meters she fired it from, but I like the idea). For the big bad guys she should have been more creative than the 10 minutes of kicking and punching...guns and lots of them woulda been better in those cases.

Gillster
December 29, 2005, 04:21 AM
Where do you suppose I could get a rifle like that?

You could try here:
http://gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=42004974

LAK
December 29, 2005, 05:37 AM
Holly wood - that's what magic wands are made of. And that is why they called it Hollywood.
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