2/3 of Palestinians want al-Qaida to hit West


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Desertdog
December 27, 2005, 08:47 PM
For those that think we are in no danger from al-Qaida in America.

2/3 of Palestinians want al-Qaida to hit West
PA TV regularly runs sermons urging killing of U.S.-led 'infidels'
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=48078

A new poll finds 65 percent of Palestinians "support al-Qaida actions in the USA and Europe."

According to Palestinian Media Watch, the survey was published by the Palestinian Authority this week.

PMW believes there is such a high percentage of Palestinians that support al-Qaida terrorism partly because of the prevalence of PA broadcasts that call for the killing of "infidels," or non-Muslims.


Stated the deliverer of a televised sermon last month: ""Destroy the infidels and the polytheists! Your [i.e. Allah's] enemies are the enemies of the religion. Count them and kill them to the last one, and don't leave even one."

Noted Palestinian Media Watch: "This prayer clear incitement to the genocide of 'infidels,' a term that includes the Christian West is common from PA religious leaders. Prayers to annihilate all infidels have been included in Friday prayers on PA TV at least six times in recent months."

Two of the sermons were delivered by Yusuf Jum'a Salamah, PA minister of the Waqf and religion, the most important religious office in the PA, the media watchdog group reported. PA Chairman Mahmoud Abbas was present on at least one of the sermons.

Palestinian leaders calling for the destruction of "infidels" have clearly stated that group includes the United States and the United Kingdom.

"The infidel countries first and foremost, the USA have succeeded greatly in tearing our Islamic world apart," stated Yusuf Abu Sneina on "Voice of Palestine," Sept. 2.

While Palestinian Authority political leadership does not include incitements to violence in media statements, "Arabic sermons to the Palestinian population, PA religious leaders have been praying for years for the destruction of Western countries," Palestinian Media Watch noted.

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Phoenix_III
December 27, 2005, 11:15 PM
65% is not 2/3... more like 3/5

and... 'duh'. When you have a religion (read cult) that branwashes kids since birth...

Silver Bullet
December 27, 2005, 11:25 PM
More like 13/20. :)

roo_ster
December 27, 2005, 11:32 PM
Oh, yeah, that two-state solution will work. :barf:

c_yeager
December 27, 2005, 11:43 PM
This is pretty much the answere to why we support Israel, and why we always will. Say what you want with the problems with Israel, they are opposing a population that wants to kill us, that makes them the good guys no matter what.

Of course its a bit of a nasty cycle. As long as the Palestinians support terrorism against the U.S. we will continue to support Israel. As long as we support Israel the Palestinians will continue to support terrorism against the U.S. On the other hand, if we were to suddenly withdraw all of our help to Israel, would the Palestinians suddenly stop their support for terrorism? I doubt it, personally.

peaceful99
December 27, 2005, 11:51 PM
and... 'duh'. When you have a religion (read cult) that branwashes kids since birth...


Don't they (religions) all do that?

Standing Wolf
December 27, 2005, 11:54 PM
Don't they (religions) all do that?

Some more successfully than others.

GoRon
December 27, 2005, 11:59 PM
Religions
Quote:
Originally Posted by Phoenix_III

and... 'duh'. When you have a religion (read cult) that branwashes kids since birth...


Don't they (religions) all do that?

All except the secular humanists with a materialistic view of reality. They are the true holders of truth, just ask them. :rolleyes:

hillbilly
December 28, 2005, 12:17 AM
GoRon wrote:

" All except the secular humanists with a materialistic view of reality. They are the true holders of truth, just ask them. "

Absolutely, GoRon.

Afterall, religion IS the opiate of the masses.

There's no way any secularists with such a materialistic view who all know that religion is just the opiate of the masses would ever rack up as big a body count as the bloody religions of the world have.......

There's no way that a materialistic worldview like that would rack up, say, 100 million dead people in about 75 years or so........Just no way......

hillbilly

Sam
December 28, 2005, 01:17 AM
Forget the term "Palestinian". There haven't been any new ones since 1947, and no one ran them out of Israel except the Grand Mufti and he is one of them.

They are a bunch of leeches without the will or desire to do anything but BM&G. stop giving them the status of a nation, they aren't and never were.

Sam

GunnySkox
December 28, 2005, 02:43 AM
And it's not like hyper-religious people who disagree slightly about whose god likes what done which way haven't been butchering each other since the beginning of civilization, either. It's a silly argument. All people invent stupid reasons to kill each other, whether or not they choose to blame it on God is irrelevant.

Stick to the topic at hand: that a bunch of people who really, really don't like Israelis and really, really don't like westerners would like to see more of us dead.

~GnSx

Henry Bowman
December 28, 2005, 12:59 PM
And it's not like hyper-religious people who disagree slightly about whose god likes what done which way haven't been butchering each other since the beginning of civilization, either. Two older women I know are in the same (extreme fundamentalist Pentecostal) church that is being torn apart over the issue of whether women should ever wear pants. Seriously. But you know what -- they aren't trying to kill each other (or my pants-wearing wife) over it. :uhoh:

R.H. Lee
December 28, 2005, 01:16 PM
Who cares what they 'think'? They've already demonstrated they're incapable of self-governance, preferring to hate and kill instead. If Israel and the West were to disappear tomorrow, this rabble would continue living in squalor and poverty for the next thousand years.

El Tejon
December 28, 2005, 01:42 PM
Much more fun to riot and blame others than to do your homework!:D

The PA bears watching. We must not ignore these wannabe totalitarians. Let them rant, if they raise a hand, we kill them all.:)

Tim L
December 28, 2005, 01:45 PM
Who cares what they 'think'? They've already demonstrated they're incapable of self-governance, preferring to hate and kill instead. If Israel and the West were to disappear tomorrow, this rabble would continue living in squalor and poverty for the next thousand years.
and find someone else to terrorize and blame for their problems.

ThreadKiller
December 28, 2005, 01:52 PM
There's no way any secularists with such a materialistic view who all know that religion is just the opiate of the masses would ever rack up as big a body count as the bloody religions of the world have.......

There's no way that a materialistic worldview like that would rack up, say, 100 million dead people in about 75 years or so........Just no way......

hillbilly

I dunno 'bout that. Good ol' godless societies created by the Leftist economic theories have done a slam bang job of killing off their fellow man. They have a tremendous and altogether remarkable history of violating human rights. How many million did that "man of the people" Joe Stalin have liquidated again?

I'll take God over Government any day of the week.

palerider1
December 28, 2005, 02:15 PM
we have millions of foreign muslims in the united states, that should concern some people shouldnt it?

palerider1

Pward
December 28, 2005, 09:06 PM
Got to love it :neener:

carebear
December 28, 2005, 09:17 PM
There's no way any secularists with such a materialistic view who all know that religion is just the opiate of the masses would ever rack up as big a body count as the bloody religions of the world have.......

There's no way that a materialistic worldview like that would rack up, say, 100 million dead people in about 75 years or so........Just no way......

I dunno 'bout that. Good ol' godless societies created by the Leftist economic theories have done a slam bang job of killing off their fellow man. They have a tremendous and altogether remarkable history of violating human rights. How many million did that "man of the people" Joe Stalin have liquidated again?

I'll take God over Government any day of the week.

<sarcasm alert, sarcasm alert> That's what hillbilly was saying, he just left off the "roll-eyes" smiley as unnecessary.

GoRon
December 28, 2005, 09:28 PM
Are we providing monetary support to the Palestinians?

If so why? They dance in the streets at the deaths of our citizens. They dance in the street at the death of our allies.

Why don't we let them starve or let the nations of the ME take care of them.

ThreadKiller
December 28, 2005, 09:31 PM
<sarcasm alert, sarcasm alert> That's what hillbilly was saying, he just left off the "roll-eyes" smiley as unnecessary.

OK, guess I missed that. Thanks for the correction. :)

LSCurrier
December 28, 2005, 10:07 PM
Don't they (religions) all do that?


When was the last time you heard of a "Born Again Christian" strapping a bomb to himself and blowing up a bus of innocent people?

Luke

yucaipa
December 28, 2005, 10:23 PM
They have debates on TV : are we winning the war on terror ?

The war hasn't even started yet.

bjbarron
December 28, 2005, 10:24 PM
Please be aware that the Palestinians aren't exactly loved by the rest of the Moslems in the Mid East. Pretty much everybody hates them and believes them to be troublemakers who will never pick the right side of anything....and don't know how to take a good deal when they see it. The MidEast has been burned out by these idiots over the past 50 years just like the rest of us.

This I get from my Kuwaiti daughter-in-law backed up by her Iranian and Iraqi relatives. Think of the trouble they caused in Libya (thrown out), Lebanon (destroyed it and got thrown out), and Jordan (tried to take over the government and got thrown out - Black September)...and now in Gaza and the West Bank. The support they get from other Arab states is 99% lip-service.

The odds-on money in the ME is that with them confined now to their own territory...a civil war is just around the corner.

Don't you think that there could have been a resolution to the 'Palestinian question' in the past 55 years if the Arabs really wanted one? These people are not trusted by anyone over there...and for good reason. Every country that has tried to take them in has gotten trashed.

The United States shouldn't spend the energy it takes to spit to try and aid these people until they show that they're not savages still living in the 7th century....and that ain't going to happen soon.

solareclipse
December 28, 2005, 11:06 PM
Fine but how many terrorists are actually from palestine? I keep hearing saudi arabia, pakistan, afghanistan, syria, saudi arabia again, saudi arabia yet again, saudi arabia and again saudi arabia even some more of saudi arabia.....

carebear
December 28, 2005, 11:14 PM
Abu Nidal for one. HAMAS for another (as a group).

Don't make the mistake of thinking that if they haven't directly attacked the US or US citizens they don't count as terrorists.

peaceful99
December 29, 2005, 01:26 AM
When was the last time you heard of a "Born Again Christian" strapping a bomb to himself and blowing up a bus of innocent people?

You've got me there, but some of the nuttier ones do have major issues with certain doctors and clinics. It's wonderful when people do gods work....like he needs the help.

GunnySkox
December 29, 2005, 05:10 AM
When was the last time you heard of a "Born Again Christian" strapping a bomb to himself and blowing up a bus of innocent people?

How about the times when hordes of self-professed "Christians" killed every man, woman, and child in cities just because they were Moors living in the holy land?

And the portions of the bible where good ol Genocide gets the Divine Thumbs Up because a bunch of not-Jews lived in the wrong place at the wrong time, doing the wrong thing?

How many atrocities have been committed by scumbags who use God as their excuse? How many atrocities have be committed by scumbags who claim that God doesn't exist?

It's all irrelevant. Whether someone gets their impetus from a screaming freak in a religious gathering of your choice or from the voices in their head or from some "downtrodden" demagogue shouting hatred and violence from 'top a soapbox doesn't matter.

Civilized Christians don't bomb busses or shoot innocents. Neither do civilized Muslims or Jews or Buddhists or Atheists or Agnostics or any other group of civil, civilized people. What we need to focus on are those conditions which make less civil (read: comfortable) people subject to the whims of their barbaric leaders, and focus on eliminating those conditions as much as we focus on eliminating the transgressors.

~GnSx
Islamic fundamentalist terrorism doesn't reasonably impugn Islam any more than the Crusades impugn Christianity, or the genocide against the caanaanites impugns Judaism. Civilized people are civil, and barbarians are barbaric. What they think about God is another matter entirely

LAK
December 29, 2005, 06:28 AM
I see; so now Al Kidya is "influenced by the polls". Sounds almost like a sort of "democracy"; "sensitive to public opinion". "Unable to do the right or necessary thing" or "compelled by public sentiment" to do a particular thing because of "what their constituents might think". ;)

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carebear
December 29, 2005, 01:20 PM
gunny,

You have to be careful using the Crusades as a moral relatavist example due to how long ago they occured and the the context they occured in.

A series of attempts to free traditionally Christian lands from the hands of a colonizing imperial alien culture over 600 years and an enlightenment and a reformation ago shouldn't be considered apples and apples to events that occurred yesterday.

We're talking about today, not the Middle Ages, and everyone has had plenty of time to get "civilized". Some cultures, as a group and as evidenced by the actions of a significantly larger proportion of their membership, appear to have done a poorer job of it, for whatever reason.

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