Poor, poor Canada, it is all America's fault, like usual.


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jeff-10
December 27, 2005, 10:39 PM
Canada blames U.S. for gun violence

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/americas/12/27/canada.crime.ap/index.html

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longeyes
December 27, 2005, 10:44 PM
"The U.S. is exporting its problem of violence to the streets of Toronto," he said.

Miller said that while almost every other crime in Toronto is down, the supply of guns has increased and half of them come from the United States.

Miller said the availability of stolen Canadian guns is another problem, and that poverty in certain Toronto neighborhoods is a root cause.

"There are neighborhoods in Toronto where young people face barriers of poverty, discrimination and don't have real hope and opportunity. The kind of programs that we once took for granted in Canada that would reach out to young people have systematically disappeared over the past decade and I think that gun violence is a symptom of a much bigger problem," Miller said.

It is amazing what power America has: Not only are we turning Canada violent we are apparently drying up their generous socialist welfare programs too.

Let me guess: it was all perfect before Bush, the man who singlehandedly crushed hope and opportunity.

Logistics
December 27, 2005, 11:20 PM
>>>Not only are we turning Canada violent we are apparently drying up their generous socialist welfare programs too.<<<

I would give ANY amount of money to a cause that would bring a teleporter or the illegal Mexicans directly to the Canadian border. I think their feelings would change very quickly.

I am ALL for a huge wall......it's not rediculous, it's common sense for a country to keep out uninvited guests.

tonytulipz
December 27, 2005, 11:43 PM
The United States is in such an Ironic Geographic Location being between Mexico and Canada. It is perplexing why we put up with either of the other country's crap and seem to Welcome it.

We should have just annexed them in the 1920's.....Damn.......:o

Standing Wolf
December 27, 2005, 11:57 PM
Miller said the availability of stolen Canadian guns is another problem, and that poverty in certain Toronto neighborhoods is a root cause.

There's another leftist extremist who's totally out of touch with reality. The root cause of crime isn't poverty, but criminals.

I would give ANY amount of money to a cause that would bring a teleporter or the illegal Mexicans directly to the Canadian border. I think their feelings would change very quickly.

Suppose they'd settle for free bus rides to the northern part of Montana?

c_yeager
December 27, 2005, 11:57 PM
Wow, it seems like Canada is prepared to blame *everyone* for crime, with the singular exception of criminals.

Crosshair
December 28, 2005, 02:25 AM
This is getting to be like "The boy who cried Wolf.":mad:

tonytulipz
December 28, 2005, 02:29 AM
This is getting to be like "The boy who cried Wolf.":mad:

How so......??? EXPLAIN Please

GunnySkox
December 28, 2005, 02:48 AM
How so......??? EXPLAIN Please

Because if you blame your stupid BS on some irrelevant third party enough times, people stop caring what you have to say. Especially that third party. Eventually, they become disinclined to continue jumping into action whenever you shriek about the third party screwing everything up, and eventually, they might even become disinclined to vote for your stupid, blubbering, whiny self.

Note: "you" refers to feckless, bitchy Can'tadian politicians.

~GnSx
"Are you a CANadian or a CAN'Tadian?" ~Inside Joke

tonytulipz
December 28, 2005, 02:50 AM
Because if you blame your stupid BS on some irrelevant third party enough times, people stop caring what you have to say. Especially that third party. Eventually, they become disinclined to continue jumping into action whenever you shriek about the third party screwing everything up, and eventually, they might even become disinclined to vote for your stupid, blubbering, whiny self.

Note: "you" refers to feckless, bitchy Can'tadian politicians.

~GnSx
"Are you a CANadian or a CAN'Tadian?" ~Inside Joke

Aww....makes sense

Cosmoline
December 28, 2005, 03:19 AM
It's the oldest political tool in the world. When you screw up, find a scapegoat. The giant to the south has always been a favorite for Canadian politicos. Everything good about Canada is Canadian, everything bad about Canada is an "American import."

The current attempt would make more sense if these were actually US gangs of US citizens coming to duke it out--but of course they're not. They're disaffected Canadian teens.

Lionhill
December 28, 2005, 03:33 AM
As a Canadian legal firearms owner - I look with embarrassment what our politicians say daily. We are in an election right now. They'll say anything right now - pointing fingers at anything that will win them votes.

Just about all of the shooters have been Jamaican in Toronto. Where this guns came from is irrelevant. The triple whammy of why this is as bad a situation is from: lax immigration policies, liberal judges giving 1 year for murder, and DA's trading away firearm use for a crime for no or little time in jail.

Politicians are responsible for the fiasco we are in. Liberals and their gun control policies have blown 2 billion+ tax dollars on feel good go nowhere initiatives.

Please don't be offended by these windbag suits up here, after the election we promise to keep them quiet, and have them sit in the corner for a few years.

LH

Cosmoline
December 28, 2005, 04:09 AM
Do you think this is going to give the left wing the ammunition it needs to get the handgun ban through?

Michigander
December 28, 2005, 08:13 AM
Methinks there is an increase in demand for firearms in Canada of late.

Wonder why that is?

I suppose it is us, the U.S., who created that demand, right?

Yeah, right.

jazurell
December 28, 2005, 08:29 AM
e-mail sent to Mr. Miller:
Mayor Miller,
From CNN news:
"Miller said Toronto, a city of nearly three million, is still very safe compared to most American cities, but the illegal flow of weapons from the United States is causing the noticeable rise in gun violence."

Sir, with all due respect, rather than blame the US, why not start with YOUR border guards.....perhaps they are not doing their jobs very well if you're having a problem with illegal items getting across the border. Better yet, why not build a fence along the border and cut yourself off from the US if we're so bad.
Or, you could just ask all the criminals to turn in their illegal guns and allow the law abiding citizens to keep theirs in order to defend themselves if necessary from the criminals that don't obey the order to turn in their guns.

Camp David
December 28, 2005, 09:49 AM
I think President Bush's last official act in 2007/2008 should be to invade Canada and take over the nation on behalf of the American people and liberate the former Canadians of their oppressive Communist/Socialist leaders and garnish upon all its people democracy and freedom! Let us introduce our Constitutional freedoms upon all former Canadians and welcome their Provinces into the New United States!

From the Wheatfields of the west to the Athabasca tar sands in the east, Canada has rich natural resouces of value to all Americans.

It is to our benefit turning Canada into states within our nation; former Canadian ladies to be pregnant Americans bearing the children of our tomorrows... Hockey for all I say... a shared experience when the Provinces of Canada become new States of America! Throw away your Molson & Brador and grab a Budweiser and a Colt!

:)

HankB
December 28, 2005, 10:34 AM
. . . poverty in certain Toronto neighborhoods is a root cause. . . . "There are neighborhoods in Toronto where young people face barriers of poverty, discrimination and don't have real hope and opportunity.Uh oh, code word alert . . . I wonder what . . . demographic group . . . dominates these areas?

(Actually, I've heard most of the increase in violence involves Jamaican drug gangs engaging in gang wars with one another . . . but in Canada's uber-liberal political circles, they can't say that for various political reasons.)

USSR
December 28, 2005, 10:43 AM
Throw away your Molson & Brador and grab a Budweiser and a Colt!

Puh-leeze. Throw away our Budweiser and drink their beer.

Don

k_dawg
December 28, 2005, 11:03 AM
Of course, there is a minor problem with the attacks on the U.S. Canadians really don't know what the facts are, and the reason is simple: Despite billions of dollars spent on the Canada's gun-registration program and the program's inability to solve crime, the government does not how many crime-guns were seized in Canada, let alone where those guns came from. The Royal Canadian Mounted Police reported in late July that they "cannot know if [the guns] were traceable or where they might have been traced." Thus, even if smuggled guns were an important problem, the Canadian government doesn't know if it is worse now than in the past.

Even in Toronto, which keeps loose track of these numbers, Paul Culver, a senior Toronto Crown Attorney, claims that guns from the U.S. are a "small part" of the problem.




http://www.nationalreview.com/comment/lott200508190817.asp

georgeduz
December 28, 2005, 11:42 AM
there are alot of gangs in montreal,i have not been there in 2 years,

Peet
December 28, 2005, 11:45 AM
Miller said ... the supply of guns has increased and half of them come from the United States.Um... It was all over 2-A blogs that Mr. Miller (or was it one of his associates?) admitted the "half" was just made up. Seems this article is dated.

/P

NavajoNPaleFace
December 28, 2005, 11:49 AM
Uh oh, code word alert . . . I wonder what . . . demographic group . . . dominates these areas?

(Actually, I've heard most of the increase in violence involves Jamaican drug gangs engaging in gang wars with one another . . . but in Canada's uber-liberal political circles, they can't say that for various political reasons.)

Possibly every other impoverished person is selling drugs or themselves and the other half buying.

Lionhill
December 28, 2005, 12:11 PM
Um... It was all over 2-A blogs that Mr. Miller (or was it one of his associates?) admitted the "half" was just made up. Seems this article is dated.

/P

Can you find that blog for me? We need all the firewood we can find right now.

LH

longrifleman
December 28, 2005, 12:31 PM
Suppose they'd settle for free bus rides to the northern part of Montana?


What did the Montanaians ever do to you? When the bus door opens, it should be sticking over the border.


:neener:

Molon Labe
December 28, 2005, 12:32 PM
Methinks there is an increase in demand for firearms in Canada of late.And at the same time, Red Dawn DVDs have been flying off the shelves. Hmmm...

rick_reno
December 28, 2005, 12:41 PM
>>>

I am ALL for a huge wall......it's not rediculous, it's common sense for a country to keep out uninvited guests.

We're going to put a wall up on the sourthern border - a moat filled with magnet carrying aligators would be better for Canada. The magnets could snag all the guns trying to sneak across the border killing peaceful citizens of Canada.

captain obvious
December 28, 2005, 01:44 PM
"The U.S. is exporting its problem of violence to the streets of Toronto,"
:fire:

Oh, I wish we would - were do I sign up, hell i'll pay out of pocket to outfit and muster a unit

mbt2001
December 28, 2005, 03:43 PM
OH CANADA....

What a bunch of maroons...

gezzer
December 28, 2005, 07:33 PM
We should have taken Canada in 1812.

First strike needed now :what:

Web
December 28, 2005, 10:43 PM
Well, I blame them for Americans being fat, because they are the source of bacon and half the illegal maple syrup that enters this country.

tonytulipz
December 28, 2005, 11:15 PM
OH CANADA....

What a bunch of maroons...


love that word.......:p :p :p :p

jazurell
December 29, 2005, 02:33 PM
e-mail response from Mayor Miller's office:

Dear Jon,

Thank you for your email letter. As the Mayor receives thousands of letters every week he asked that I respond on his behalf. However, all correspondence is shared with the Mayor.

I will too share your thoughts as well as your concerns with the Mayor as well as staff.

The recent violence in our city is a concern for all of Toronto.

The Mayor is saddened and angered that such a brazen act of senseless violence would be perpetrated on Toronto's main street on Boxing Day or any other day when city residents and visitors gather to go about their business and enjoy their lives.

The Mayor has extended his condolences to the families and friends of the victims and has urged anyone who may have witnessed this horrific crime to contact police so the perpetrators can be brought to justice. He is confident that Toronto Police will find those involved in this crime.

The problem of guns on our streets has many facets, and the City is attacking the problem from many different angles.

There is no doubt that the flow of guns makes illegal firearms more accessible on the streets of Toronto, and therefore makes it easier for gun crimes to happen. Mayor Miller has been in conversation with Prime Minister Paul Martin to discuss this issue and look at ways to stop this flow at the border. But there is much more that the City is doing:

The Toronto Police Service Board has approved a motion introduced by Mayor David Miller to hire at least 150 new police officer using a cost shared program introduced by the Provincial Government.

We have great confidence in Police Chief Bill Blair, who is enhancing community policing, which gives the City great power both to prevent crime, and to enforce the law. Toronto Police have now deployed all available officers to our most vulnerable communities.

Mayor David Miller has been vocal in completely supports the ban of hand guns and believes those caught with guns must go to jail.

I encourage you to contact the Hon. Irwin Cotler, Minister of Justice at< Cotler.I@parl.gc.ca > and the Hon. Michael Bryant, Ontario's Attorney General, < http://www.attorneygeneral.jus.gov.on.ca/english/comments.asp >to discuss sentencing issues.

Toronto City Council created the Mayor's Advisory Panel on Community Safety to guide the City in preventing violence and building safe communities. The panel first met on April 6, 2004 to begin developing a plan that could be successfully implemented in partnership with the public, private and community-based sectors. Initiatives will continue to be announced over the next few months. Presently, the Community Safety Panel

* works with residents and local agencies to co-ordinate neighborhood action plans in at-risk neighborhoods
* works with City departments, agencies boards and commissions to ensure that enough resources are dedicated to programs and services in at-risk communities
* identifies employment, job training and or internship opportunities for youth
* works with councillors to develop community safety initiatives in their wards
* manages the Crisis Response Program to provide immediate supports to Toronto neighborhoods in crisis
* works with other levels of government on issues such as gun control, sentencing alternatives and youth employment
* liaises with a designated senior Toronto Police Service officer.

Once again, Thank you for your e-mail.
Joanne Miller

Carl N. Brown
December 29, 2005, 02:51 PM
The Canadian PM quoted gun crime stats to Secretary of State Rice
on her visit; those who bothered to follow up found that police
records did not back his claim that most Canadian crime guns came
from the USA.

Last night on a re-run of Urban Legends, the show claimed that one
of the debunked urban legends showcased that night had been
used in a speech by a Canadian PM.

What are the qualifications for Prime Minister of Canada?

Crime causes poverty and illegal guns, not the other way round.

griz
December 29, 2005, 02:53 PM
And the japanese have imported automobile accidents to the united states:rolleyes:

Lucky
December 29, 2005, 05:34 PM
"From the Wheatfields of the west to the Athabasca tar sands in the east, Canada has rich natural resouces of value to all Americans."

Wheatfields - west.
Oilsands - west.

Ironically, the way the country is shaped many maritimers can't understand why Ontario is called the east:)

utahminirevolver
December 30, 2005, 02:56 PM
"everything bad about Canada is an American import"

Actually, I read somewhere that socialist Mayor Miller was from the San Francisco Bay area, or at least got his education there, and my opinion about him is: he's pretty bad.
Thumbs down

(Sorry to sound un-High Roadish, but this Mayor is pushing the handgun ban big-time).

Peet
December 30, 2005, 06:15 PM
Can you find that blog for me? We need all the firewood we can find right now.

LHThanks for asking. I did a quick search on +canada and +"half the guns" and got:

Mr. Wilkins said that Canadian officials admitted in meetings with U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice this week "that that figure was just grabbed out of thin air." He insisted the Canadian government should focus on joint efforts to combat gun-running rather than pointing fingers.

http://www.saysuncle.com/archives/2005/10/28/the_lies_they_tell

http://johnrlott.tripod.com/2005/10/canadian-prime-minister-makes-up.html

http://www.canadiancontent.net/forums/about8580-120.html

http://www.overlawyered.com/2005/11/flimsy_numbers_behind_canadian.html


And on, and on, and on...

Peet (Happy New Year!)

Edited to add: Canada: We're not Americans, eh.

Old Dog
December 30, 2005, 06:29 PM
What a bunch of maroons...I'm still waiting to find out if calling Canadians a color is a good thing ... or a bad thing ... But I'm glad this thread (as many other Canada threads in the past have) didn't turn into wholesale Canada-bashing. How aboot them Sens, eh?

TexasRifleman
December 30, 2005, 06:34 PM
I think we should just invade and annex. Wouldn't take more than, what, 20 minutes maybe?

yonderway
December 30, 2005, 07:51 PM
I think we should just invade and annex. Wouldn't take more than, what, 20 minutes maybe?

Yeah, that's what Thomas Jefferson thought, too.

Guess you don't remember 1812 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_of_1812)...

From time to time our friends to the north participate in wargames with US soldiers. On more than one occasion, the Canadians firmly trounced Americans by focusing on disabling key technologies that we depend on first, and then falling back to conventional warfare techniques that our own troops might be rather soft on due to their dependence on technology.

Gifted
December 30, 2005, 11:16 PM
I know people up there. In fact, seeing "young woman killed in Toronto" made me think of one. Most of them are good, sensible minded, and I'd say about the only good thing about the NAFTA and all that crap is that it'll make it alot easier for them to get down here among other sensible minded people.

Robert J McElwain
December 31, 2005, 02:27 PM
I wonder who Great Britain and Australia and some of the other anti-gun countries blame for exporting all those criminal guns into their countries.

Incidentally, about half of Canada lives in Florida and Texas during the winter. And Canadian fishing is still fantastic in the summer. That's when the Floridians and lots more of us return the favor to Canada.

Bob

TallPine
December 31, 2005, 07:05 PM
Well, if half of their guns came from the US, then we should demand that they send them back to us right now. :p

In fact, just to show how good hearted I am, I will take some of them and keep them safe here in MT so they don't "cause" any crime in Canada. ;)


From the Wheatfields of the west to the Athabasca tar sands in the east
Lucky already corrected this but I couldn't help chiming in ... actually the tar sands would be pretty much west (and north) of most of the wheatfields - both of which generally in the vast middle of the country. Gosh, I only hope we know more about the geography of a country than that before invading it ... :rolleyes:

I still would like to see the "empty quarter" of the US (MT, ID, WY, ND) break away and join Alberta and Saskachewan to make a new country :) .

slzy
December 31, 2005, 07:28 PM
I'm still waiting to find out if calling Canadians a color is a good thing ... or a bad thing ... But I'm glad this thread (as many other Canada threads in the past have) didn't turn into wholesale Canada-bashing. How aboot them Sens, eh?
maroons used here is of course the deliberate mispronunciation of the word morons,as used by Bugs Bunny,in the ironically appropiately named Loony Tunes animated programs.

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