FORT KNOX most secure place in world?


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tonytulipz
December 27, 2005, 11:06 PM
Just got done watching the show on History Channel regarding Frt. Knox.

There was so many Stories of how it is really defended and that no one really knows. (Treasury Dept. likes it that way) How and what defends the place.

Anyone have any ideas, stories, opinions?

Just thought it would be a nice piece to discuss. I saw most the guards were using Glocks of some sort and some 1911's on others.

Very Cool Show by the way,

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cdharmon
December 27, 2005, 11:38 PM
fort knox has amazing security, but you really need to look at the security on NORAD. my ex-ranger friend was stationed as a guard there for a couple of months....
just to get through the small doors, not the 5 foot thick blast doors(which there are several), just to get through the walking doors, you need 2 codes, which change every 2 or 4 hours(i forget which one), at which time only ONE person on the complex knows each code. each person needs to enter the codes at the same time. if either person enters their code wrong, the entire base goes on lockdown and full alert. this is to go through ONE set of doors, this does not get you all the way into the base. once again, the codes change every few hours, and only one person knows each code.

no bird goes un-noticed w/in miles of the complex, w/ laser motion detectors, cameras, etc.
the security at NORAD is INSANE.

tonytulipz
December 28, 2005, 12:09 AM
Interesting comparison. I wonder what the Govt puts more Value on. As Far as defending. Moneywise Fort Knox worth way more. Strategic Value NORAD more.

jeepmor
December 28, 2005, 12:15 AM
The security should be insane at each. However, I'm betting Vegas is better than both facilities mentioned. I don't recall anyone stealing secrets from casinos, but they were able to successfully steal secrets from our nuclear weapons development facilities.

Is NORAD the sensor center that watches the globe for missile launches, or are they a nuke missile site? Or both?

jeepmor

Librarian
December 28, 2005, 12:23 AM
See NORAD web site (http://www.norad.mil/index.cfm?fuseaction=home.welcome). My dad worked for them 60's through 70's.

tonytulipz
December 28, 2005, 12:24 AM
The security should be insane at each. However, I'm betting Vegas is better than both facilities mentioned. I don't recall anyone stealing secrets from casinos, but they were able to successfully steal secrets from our nuclear weapons development facilities.

Is NORAD the sensor center that watches the globe for missile launches, or are they a nuke missile site? Or both?

jeepmor

NORAD Keeps track of all missles and other strategic things. Nothing Stored there mainly computers. Well that we know of...

Scottmkiv
December 28, 2005, 12:24 AM
I think that almost by definition it has to be a place that no one has ever heard of. Secrecy is worth a lot more than steel doors in my mind.

cslinger
December 28, 2005, 12:27 AM
Come on you don't really think they keep the gold at Fort Knox do you? :rolleyes:

I bet you even think they keep the UFO's at area 51. :rolleyes:

Just kidding. Actually it would be rather funny for somebody to actually breach the security of Fort Knox only to find out the gold is really kept at an Am South somewhere east of Hermitage, Tennessee guarded by a guy named Buford and his dog Flash. :neener:

cdharmon
December 28, 2005, 12:27 AM
Norad isnt either, and it is both. The reason Norad is different than any other place in America is that if the country is attacked by nuclear bombs, or anythign similar, the president and his group of people can move in there, and in essence run all fascets of the country, military, government, and nuclear missles from that one base. it is protected against nuclear explosions, the entire base itself(which is ENORMOUS) sits on top of HUGE shock absorbers buried deep in the ground and around the base as to absorb any blast that may happen, as well as all the walls of the base being made of state of the art materials and extremely thick. having been funded by a multi-billion dollar organization(the government), i'd say that Norad has bette security put into it than both ft. knox and vegas.

another high security area is area 51. each day all the employees get on a non-charter airplane in vegas airport and fly to area 51. the people investigating area 51 sat in a suburban outside the airport and looked at the airplane through binoculars. in under 5 minutes, cop cars showed up and black yukons started following the suburban. how they knew? no one knows.

tonytulipz
December 28, 2005, 12:28 AM
I think that almost by definition it has to be a place that no one has ever heard of. Secrecy is worth a lot more than steel doors in my mind.

True...but if ITS been there awhile like 50yrs (NORAD, area57, Frt. Knox) Secrets dont last...they get told.

Taurus 66
December 28, 2005, 05:02 AM
Come on you don't really think they keep the gold at Fort Knox do you? :rolleyes:

I bet you even think they keep the UFO's at area 51. :rolleyes:

Just kidding. Actually it would be rather funny for somebody to actually breach the security of Fort Knox only to find out the gold is really kept at an Am South somewhere east of Hermitage, Tennessee guarded by a guy named Buford and his dog Flash. :neener:

Some of the US gold is at Fort Knox. The rest is carefully placed in other national reserves as to not have 'all your eggs in one basket' if you know what I mean. Fort Knox is not just a gold reserve. There are also other valuables stored there such as platinum and silver. The original painting of da Vinci's "Mona Lisa", "Last Supper, and Einstein's "Theory of Relativity" chalkboard are said to have been there, out, on the move, and back, many times over the past 40 years.

Just how secure is Fort Knox? For some joe average with his gang of thugs to try breaking in would not get very far. They would have to battle over a thousand well armed troops, several attack dogs, AH64 Apache helicopters, M1A2 Abram tanks, probably some Bradleys too, and if they somehow by the miracle of God escaped all that firey wrath with a mere 10 bullet holes and 1 life threatening shrapnel wound each, in come the US Secret Service along with aide from state troopers to pit the get away vehicle and make the arrests.

2k5Adam
December 28, 2005, 05:12 AM
Come on you don't really think they keep the gold at Fort Knox do you? :rolleyes:

I bet you even think they keep the UFO's at area 51. :rolleyes:

Just kidding. Actually it would be rather funny for somebody to actually breach the security of Fort Knox only to find out the gold is really kept at an Am South somewhere east of Hermitage, Tennessee guarded by a guy named Buford and his dog Flash. :neener:

Hmm, I think I've been there before...

1911 guy
December 28, 2005, 07:48 AM
U.S. currency hasn't been backed by gold since before Kennedy's presidency. There is no gold in Ft. Knox. The United Sates is in reality broke, our currency is valued on economic activity and futures speculation. Sorry to burst your bubble, but Elvis is really dead, too. Oh, I've actually been to Roswell with the Navy, Hangar 18 is nothing more than a concrete slab now. There are conspiracies out there, just not that one.

LeonCarr
December 28, 2005, 07:59 AM
As was mentioned, the most secure place in the world is the one that the fewest people know about. NORAD is pretty close to the top of the list though, as is Fort Knox.

Just my .02,
LeonCarr

mosttoyswins
December 28, 2005, 08:17 AM
The most secure place in the world is my wife's pants anytime I piss her off...it is impossible to get in there!:evil:

Mr Jody Hudson
December 28, 2005, 08:27 AM
:what: The less known but no longer secret places include:

Raven Rock (http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/usa/c3i/raven_rock.htm)

Also Mount Weather (http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/usa/c3i/mt_weather.htm)

Greenbrier Inn Underground Facilities (http://www.avhub.net/congressionalhideawaygreenbriar.htm)

Numerous Other used-to-be PAST SECRET UNDERGROUND BASES (http://www.geocities.com/northstarzone/CODERED.html)

There are many, many, other underground military bases that are no longer secret. (http://educate-yourself.org/dc/undergroundbaseslisted08feb04.shtml)

:what: :what: :eek:

MillCreek
December 28, 2005, 09:35 AM
There was an article in the Wall Street Journal several years ago on the issue of gold storage locations. Apparently, many foreign countries choose to store at least part of their gold reserves in the USA, most notably at the Federal Reserve bank in New York City. In consideration of both the foreign gold reserves and the portion of the US gold reserves stored there, there is supposed to be more gold bullion in New York then in Ft. Knox.

The interesting thing about the New York location is that when countries correct for any balance of payments inequities, a portion of the Belgian gold is moved from their vault to the French vault, for example. The national banks of the respective countries send a message to New York, and the security staff literally loads up 10 gold bars, or whatever amount specified, on a little wagon, and roll it from the Belgian vault to the French vault. They then update the inventory count both on a spreadsheet, and on a little reader board hung on the front door of each vault, showing the number of gold bars stored within.

Henry Bowman
December 28, 2005, 09:41 AM
Are you kidding? All you need is a pilot named Pussy Galore and her aerobatic team to spray some nerve gas over the area and you can drive right in with a nuke shaped like a coffin and... Just make sure she hasn't slept with some Brittish spy first. That can mess up the whole plan. :uhoh:

Mr Jody Hudson
December 28, 2005, 09:41 AM
We do the same sort of physical universe storage and transfer here in Delaware in two of our banks in Wilmington.

VirgilCaine
December 28, 2005, 10:15 AM
As was mentioned, the most secure place in the world is the one that the fewest people know about.

Exactly. It would be much easier to run an experimental lab to reverse-engineer alien technology if you didn't have have the infrastructure to check every single gawker on the ridge and repair huge amounts of perimeter sensors.

Mizzle187
December 28, 2005, 10:19 AM
:what: The less known but no longer secret places include:

Raven Rock (http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/usa/c3i/raven_rock.htm)

Also Mount Weather (http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/usa/c3i/mt_weather.htm)

Greenbrier Inn Underground Facilities (http://www.avhub.net/congressionalhideawaygreenbriar.htm)

Numerous Other used-to-be PAST SECRET UNDERGROUND BASES (http://www.geocities.com/northstarzone/CODERED.html)

There are many, many, other underground military bases that are no longer secret. (http://educate-yourself.org/dc/undergroundbaseslisted08feb04.shtml)

:what: :what: :eek:


Wow some interseting stuff! That DIA thing was wild! Been there many many times! Stuff like that I want to belive so badly BUT I dont want to believe and sometimes I find myelf believing it but its so hard to justify! Lets all hope that isnt the case!

twency
December 28, 2005, 10:33 AM
Raven Rock
After reading about Raven Rock a while back, I drove out and checked it out myself. (I live about half an hour away.)

Interestingly, I drove up or by three of the four entrance driveways, close to the staggered Jersey barriers, and was never challenged in any way. I didn't actually approach the main gate on foot, but I did get within about 20 feet of one of the other entrances.

Two of the entrances I found appeared to be normal country roads, but they just happened to terminate in razor-wire topped chainlink fences and U.S. government signage. At least one of two roads didn't even indicate "No Outlet." Around here, most entrances to roads which don't connect to another road have signs saying so.

I found the road which I guessed led to the fourth entrance, but felt that driving up to that entrance too might be pushing it.

I assume I'm now on some domestic terrorist watch list for my actions. (Maybe not for stumbling on one entrance, but almost certainly for visiting three entrances in a short period of time. Obviously I was probing their defenses. :rolleyes: Of course, the fact that I drove through Catoctin a week or two later probably didn't help either.:cool: )

It's very interesting to look at the entrances, look at the mountain, and imagine that there's an entire city under there. There are a number of interesting articles (some from "legit" dead tree periodicals, others just electronic reports) about "Site R" (Raven Rock) and many of the other strategic and Continuity of Government sites which are now more widely known. Edited to add: The problem with stuff from the web is that you tend to get goofy UFO hunters and Illuminati-nuts and Black Helicopter-spotters adding their own spin and embellishments to what might, in some cases, be a kernel of truth. Who knows if there's anything secret under the Denver airport? You'll never get any useful information from the bozos who think it's a secret landing site/concentration camp/staging ground for an alien invasion.
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-twency:cool:

georgeduz
December 28, 2005, 10:43 AM
my wifes panties are the most secure place

twency
December 28, 2005, 10:45 AM
my wifes panties are the most secure placeUmm, someone already used that one. Move along folks.
:rolleyes:
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-twency

Mr Jody Hudson
December 28, 2005, 10:57 AM
I like to go look too. I have been to GreenBrier, Mt. Weather and two others that are not on the lists. I was ALREADY ON THE SPECIAL LISTS...and figure I have been for decades.

I worked for FEMA for a short time and was told that I would NOT be going to Mount Weather, even if my job actions directed me that way.

I have seen two other locations built that are not on the lists as far as I know. The interesting thing to ME, is that I have never heard any of the locals to either of the new places I saw built... notice that 100 or more heavily laden 14 wheel dump trucks full of dirt were leaving the property of a large home, every day for two years!!!! They also did not seem to notice that a very, very, large hill appeared that covered a couple of hundred acres and is about a hundred feet high, a few miles from there. The natives seem so very UN-Restless... especially in the D.C. area where one of these is.

Flyboy
December 28, 2005, 10:58 AM
Y'know, I do believe that we have underground or other secret facilities--the secret city for the Congress and President is sort of a public secret--but things like Phil also revealed that 62 of those 129 DUMB bases were being used as housing facilities for various alien groups that the governemnt had made treaties and agreements with. The rest were being used by humans (military & civilians) for biological, chemical, and mind control development. just don't inspire confidence in the accuracy of the authors claims.

twency
December 28, 2005, 11:07 AM
Y'know, I do believe that we have underground or other secret facilities--the secret city for the Congress and President is sort of a public secret--but things like
Phil also revealed that 62 of those 129 DUMB bases were being used as housing facilities for various alien groups that the governemnt had made treaties and agreements with. The rest were being used by humans (military & civilians) for biological, chemical, and mind control development.
just don't inspire confidence in the accuracy of the authors claims.
Exactly. I know Raven Rock exists (well technically, I just know the entrances exist) because I've been there, but the breathless X-Files/Coast-to-Coast AM type stories about aliens and mind control and New World Order military bases makes it hard to figure out if there's even a seed of truth in some of the less documented stories.

I used to watch X-Files. I just never took it as a guidebook for uncovering hidden truths and government conspiricies.

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-twency

Mr Jody Hudson
December 28, 2005, 11:14 AM
YOU are more charitable than I, in your conclusions about the author... :what:

As much as anything, it takes a LOT of sifting to sift through the various levels of security for our secrets... as it SHOULD... what better way to hide our secrets than under various clouds of weirdos, aliens, false reports, changing reports, false closings, false openings, etc. Flitter and Dust! :evil:

Now... here is a little something to think upon.

Paul Harvey reported some years ago that our largest mining machines are capable of drilling through the hardest rock at one foot per minute in a 20 foot diameter and that four of these machines can be pinned together to make a tunnel 20' x80' or roughly 40' x 40' and still drilling at a foot a minute.:what:

Now, think about the above, our underground places, ways to get to them... and other places. These machines are available to whomever would like to buy them.:evil: :eek:

Can anyone remember an infinitely wealthy person who is in the construction and earth moving business and his family for decades and who lives in the desert??? :eek: :what: :cuss:

Hmmm.... :what:

Omni04
December 28, 2005, 11:20 AM
if anybody has ever been there, the entrance off the main highway even has a couple tanks sitting right out front, just to intimidate you :).

They are very secure and thorough with their car checks, however from what i hear from local people, if you know the guards you never get checked.

MillCreek
December 28, 2005, 11:43 AM
I thought that a few months back, I read in the Washington Post that Raven Rock, or Site R, is the 'secure underground location' that Vice President Cheney is shipped off to in times of national crisis, such as 9/11.

When my wife finished IDC school at Norfolk, while serving in the Navy, her detailer wanted her first IDC assignment to be at either Camp David or one of the Continuity of Government sites around the Maryland-Virginia area. I did not realize that the Navy actually runs Camp David, and also runs or provides support to some of the other COG installations. She told me that the actual name of Camp David is Naval Support Facility Thurmont. I certainly hope that there are still secure facilities for COG somewhere that have not been exposed.

Taurus 66
December 28, 2005, 11:54 AM
No gold in Ft. Knox?? :confused:

Tinfoil check!

twency
December 28, 2005, 12:09 PM
The Boston Globe had an article discussing this in July of last year.'Undisclosed location' disclosed
(http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2004/07/20/undisclosed_location_disclosed/)
The Washington Post apparently had the story, but appears to have removed the text. Only the headline remains on the page I found. http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A55877-2004Apr6

This Yahoo groups posting appears to contain the full text: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/coldwarcomms/message/7256

A blog entry with a picture and comments from 2003, which shows that this wasn't exactly the darkest of secrets when the Washington Post ran their article:
http://www.newyorkish.com/newyorkish/2003/12/in_event_of_att.html

There's all sorts of info available about the various sites, the problem is sorting out the muck from the useful. Google can be your friend, but remember anyone who can type (and many who seemingly can't) can post something on the internet and call it gospel truth.

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-twency

spaceCADETzoom
December 28, 2005, 12:24 PM
hah, this thread is about the gold. I thought it would be about the fact Ft Knox is the Armor Center....

Is Ft Knox secure? You better believe it, it's an Army post. Too many of you focus on the gold...but forget that there are thousands of M1 tanks there. Ft Knox's prime purpose is to house the Armor center...where tankers learn to tank.

As far as area 51...some of the posts above are funny. yall act like youve never been on a military installation before. no s**t they don't allow unauthorized people in...there doesn't have to be ufo's to need guys in trucks to shoo idiots with cameras at the fence away. You try and camp out with a camera outside the fence of any other Air Force base and see what happens.

Kharn
December 28, 2005, 01:27 PM
I caught the same show on the History Channel. I wonder how long it would take the ~300 tank crews to assemble and get the tanks ready to go (load with ammo, mount the topside MGs, etc).

Kharn

geekWithA.45
December 28, 2005, 01:38 PM
PENNSYLVANIA
93. Blue Ridge Summit, near Ft. Ritchie, known as 'Raven Rock" or "Site R", Army, major electronic nerve center, 650 ft. below surface with about 350 staff and over a 716 acre area. possibly connected via tunnel to Camp David. The NOD installation is involved with psychic (demonic) and satellite control over slaves. This underground complex is to allow the government of the United States to escape a nuclear attack. The enormous complex radiates under Wash. D.C. and connects with many other sites. The tunnel system is used to move some of the mind-control sex slaves. The walls and ceilings of the tunnels are ceramic tile with fluorescent lighting recessed into the ceilings.
:scrutiny: :scrutiny: :scrutiny:

If that's what my tax dollars are paying for, where's mine? :neener:

As for gold in Ft. Knox....I'm sure there's a reserve, but it's significance is no longer what it was, given that we abandoned the gold standard way back when.

tonytulipz
December 28, 2005, 01:42 PM
No gold in Ft. Knox?? :confused:

Tinfoil check!


+100

EVIL5LITER
December 28, 2005, 02:29 PM
YOU are more charitable than I, in your conclusions about the author... :what:

As much as anything, it takes a LOT of sifting to sift through the various levels of security for our secrets... as it SHOULD... what better way to hide our secrets than under various clouds of weirdos, aliens, false reports, changing reports, false closings, false openings, etc. Flitter and Dust! :evil:

Now... here is a little something to think upon.

Paul Harvey reported some years ago that our largest mining machines are capable of drilling through the hardest rock at one foot per minute in a 20 foot diameter and that four of these machines can be pinned together to make a tunnel 20' x80' or roughly 40' x 40' and still drilling at a foot a minute.:what:

Now, think about the above, our underground places, ways to get to them... and other places. These machines are available to whomever would like to buy them.:evil: :eek:

Can anyone remember an infinitely wealthy person who is in the construction and earth moving business and his family for decades and who lives in the desert??? :eek: :what: :cuss:

Hmmm.... :what:

I'm actually not following this, could you spell it out for me?

twency
December 28, 2005, 02:33 PM
I'm not sure, but I think he's implying that bin Laden is using tunneling machines to invade Cheyenne mountain through a tunnel from Mexico, or something like that. I didn't exactly follow either.

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-twency

Rembrandt
December 28, 2005, 03:33 PM
"What?.....you're telling me there is no Gold at Fort Knox?"
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v405/Rembrandt51/Auric.jpg

Mal H
December 28, 2005, 04:00 PM
These machines are available to whomever would like to buy them.That is true, however even considering that the "whomever" is a billionaire, those machines are extremely expensive to purchase and operate. Much more often than not, the "whomever" has to be a government of some size.

A very good friend is a high-up muckety muck with Robbins (http://www.robbinstbm.com/TBMs/tbms.html), one of the few companies in the world that make the tunnel boring machines. His work includes the Storbaelt tunnel in Denmark and the Boston tunnel among many others. Trying to hide a TBM operation is like trying to hide a nuclear blast, whether it is underground or not.

As far as existing facilities with an exceptionally high level of security, doesn't it stand to reason that if they do indeed have that level of security, you would have no clue as to their existence? IOW, just knowing the name or approximate location of any such facility belies the fact that it has the highest level of security.

Parker Dean
December 28, 2005, 04:01 PM
They also did not seem to notice that a very, very, large hill appeared that covered a couple of hundred acres and is about a hundred feet high, a few miles from there.

Ya know, I've been noticin' that dumps, er sorry, sanitary landfills, have taken on that appearance around here within the last few years.

Coincidence? Maybe.

sd
December 28, 2005, 04:58 PM
I didn't think Ft Knox was particularly secure - I just signed some paperwork, took an oath and a physical and was put on a plane to Kentucky. I didn't think the hosts were very friendly, but the tanks are impressive.

longeyes
December 28, 2005, 07:09 PM
Some gnomes in Davos run the world. Ft. Knox is a chimera.

Sistema1927
December 28, 2005, 07:36 PM
The most secure place in the world is to be in the middle of God's will.

TrapperReady
December 28, 2005, 10:48 PM
I thought the most secure place on earth was the inside of Tamara's purse. :)

MillCreek
December 29, 2005, 05:57 PM
I just read a fascinating pamphlet put out by the Federal Reserve Bank in New York describing the gold storage and handling facilities there. I learned the 'the majority' of all US gold reserves are kept at the depositories at Fort Knox, the Fed in New York, and at West Point, New York. The remaining stocks are kept at US Mint facilities in Philadelphia, Denver and San Francisco. Only two percent of the US stocks are at the Fed in New York.

Of note, the two World Wars are the reason why so many European countries and international organizations shipped much of their gold reserves to the Fed in New York. The USA was seen as a more stable environment and was not easily subject to land invasion and seizure of the gold stocks.

I had also read elsewhere that in one of the continuity of government sites around Washington DC, there is a site run by the Department of the Treasury whose purpose is to re-establish the US monetary system after a global or national catastrophe. Key to this effort is the storage of several million bills of US currency, all neatly shrink-wrapped. Similar stockpiles are said to exist in the Mid-west and West Coast. I certainly hope we don't ever have to implement that particular plan.

jtward01
December 29, 2005, 06:47 PM
Norad isnt either, and it is both. The reason Norad is different than any other place in America is that if the country is attacked by nuclear bombs, or anythign similar, the president and his group of people can move in there, and in essence run all fascets of the country, military, government, and nuclear missles from that one base. it is protected against nuclear explosions, the entire base itself (which is ENORMOUS) sits on top of HUGE shock absorbers buried deep in the ground and around the base as to absorb any blast that may happen, as well as all the walls of the base being made of state of the art materials and extremely thick. having been funded by a multi-billion dollar organization(the government), i'd say that Norad has bette security put into it than both ft. knox and vegas.

another high security area is area 51. each day all the employees get on a non-charter airplane in vegas airport and fly to area 51. the people investigating area 51 sat in a suburban outside the airport and looked at the airplane through binoculars. in under 5 minutes, cop cars showed up and black yukons started following the suburban. how they knew? no one knows.

Quite a bit of BS here. First, NORAD HQ is not set up to be a refuge for the President and Congress. There was such a facility at a resort in West Virginia but it was decommissioned after the New York Times revealed it existed. (The Times also revealed the recent NSA monitoring of domestic telephone calls as ordered by the President. Too bad a few reporters and editors can't be charged with treason and hanged.) I'm sure a new secure facility to house the Congress and President has been built somewhere by now at a cost to the taxpayers of many millions of dollars. Wherever the refuge is, it has to be within helicopter range of Washington DC as that's how the leadership will be evacuated.

While its true that the NORAD HQ does sit on large vibration dampers the place was built 30 years ago. It's concrete and steel walls were state of the art then, but not now, even so, they still get the job done.

As for the Area 51 flights from Las Vegas, they use JANET XX callsigns. The flights can be easily monitored on a police scanner taking off in Vegas, then getting clearance to land from either Groom Lake tower or Tonopah tower (the Tonopah Test Range, also a part of Area 51). Real secret stuff.

If you're talking about the recent Area 51 expose' that was on TV, the investigators parked in full view of the security gate to the JANET terminal at Las Vegas. The guard was shown several times staring at the investigators' car. Not too hard to figure out who called the PD and the guys in the black trucks, now is it?

telomerase
December 29, 2005, 06:57 PM
Originally Posted by Taurus 66
No gold in Ft. Knox??

Tinfoil check!

The silver was secretly moved from West Point during WWII. They used it for the Manhattan Project magnets.

The gold hasn't been audited since 1940s (several Congressmen have requested such an audit). If you want to think it's really there, fine. But there's no evidence.

telomerase
December 29, 2005, 06:58 PM
I forgot to put my tinfoil hat company web address. (But look that up about the silver, it's true. And ask why it's so important not to audit the gold???)

jtward01
December 29, 2005, 07:04 PM
I caught the same show on the History Channel. I wonder how long it would take the ~300 tank crews to assemble and get the tanks ready to go (load with ammo, mount the topside MGs, etc).

Kharn


When I visited Fort Knox and the gold depository we were told there's a special detachment of soldiers who have immediate access to weapons and ammo, and have special training to deploy around and defend, or to assault and retake the depository, as necessary.

If you saw the recent program you may have noticed some old photos showing a large loudspeaker and sign on a pole at the beginning of the driveway leading to the depository. That's the way it was when I was there and the place was surrounded by grass and trees with the only fence the one near the building. Of course, there was a 200 yard free fire zone around the building. :p

Our guide also told us about the system that automatically seals and floods the vault. He told us that in the 1950s a young boy and his dog entered the outflow pipe through a rusted grating and made it far enough into the building to trigger the system and both were drowned. The large outflow pipe was removed and several six-inch pipes installed following the incident.

Snake Eyes
December 29, 2005, 07:21 PM
I could tell you about my visit to Paul Allen's compound....but I had to sign a non-disclosure agreement. And 5 years later, I still vividly remember the discussion about the ramifications of violating said agreement.

I'd rather talk to the BATF again.

Sheldon J
December 29, 2005, 09:26 PM
:what: The less known but no longer secret places include:

There are many, many, other underground military bases that are no longer secret. (http://educate-yourself.org/dc/undergroundbaseslisted08feb04.shtml)

:what: :what: :eek:
was at that base and the "SAGE" building. it has been decomishioned, they had to fill in the spiral stair case to the tunnel system, but the tunnel system is still there just sealed off. They had Nukes there during the height of the cold war, very extensive tunnel system according to a friend that was stationed there. The "SAGE" building is still in use as a warehouse, and has 4' steel reinforced, lead lined walls was designed to survive a 1 meg blast:what: great place to explore BTDT.

Texshooter
December 29, 2005, 11:11 PM
This "Norad" place sounds almost as secure as the place where they keep the original COCA-COLA formula.

twency
December 29, 2005, 11:24 PM
Quite a bit of BS here. First, NORAD HQ is not set up to be a refuge for the President and Congress. There was such a facility at a resort in West Virginia but it was decommissioned after the New York Times revealed it existed.
Before you start accusing someone of promulgating BS, you might want to check your facts. The Greenbrier Resort's secret bunker was first publicly revealed in the Washington Post.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/local/daily/july/25/brier1.htm
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crew590
December 30, 2005, 12:22 AM
There was such a facility at a resort in West Virginia but it was decommissioned after the New York Times revealed it existed.


Where was/is this facility. Just wondering because I've never heard of it. Also can someone provide some background on it please?

Jay

twency
December 30, 2005, 12:46 AM
crew590, read the link I provided in the posting just above yours. Also, you can check out http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenbrier_Resort for some additional information. Or just google Greenbrier Resort Continuity of Government (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Greenbrier+Resort+Continuity+of+Government&btnG=Google+Search) to get thousands of hits.

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crew590
December 30, 2005, 03:20 AM
Thank you for the info. I must have missed it before.

Jay

secamp32
December 30, 2005, 02:07 PM
[QUOTE=Mr Jody Hudson]:what: The less known but no longer secret places include:

Raven Rock (http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/usa/c3i/raven_rock.htm)

Also Mount Weather (http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/usa/c3i/mt_weather.htm)

Greenbrier Inn Underground Facilities (http://www.avhub.net/congressionalhideawaygreenbriar.htm)

Numerous Other used-to-be PAST SECRET UNDERGROUND BASES (http://www.geocities.com/northstarzone/CODERED.html)

There are many, many, other underground military bases that are no longer secret. (http://educate-yourself.org/dc/undergroundbaseslisted08feb04.shtml)

I checked out 1 of these websites but my computer imediately shutdown. I think I need to wrap tin foil around the monitor before going there.
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