Some AR recievers temporarily legal? CA


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ddj8052
December 30, 2005, 12:06 AM
Mods please move if in the wrong forum.

I just recieved a call from a friend of mine that has a FFL and he is telling me that there was a Lawsuit against the state regarding the legality of certian AR recievers. According to my friend he is stating that the person bring the suit actually one. The court has ruled that unless every AR reciever is named by make and model on the DOJ list than it would no be illegal. In other words every reciever that is listed by name ie: Colt, Armalite, Bushmaster etc. are still illegal. But the small no name companies not listed by name are currently legal. This creates a loop hole. So once listed on the DOJ list then if you possed one of these recievers you would again be able to register it as an assult wepon and build it as you would like. :)

So I am trying to find out if this is in fact true. Has anyone heard anything about this? I sure would like to get one if this is true. My FFL is supposed to post links to this information for further review. As soon as I get them I will post. Juan

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UberPhLuBB
December 30, 2005, 12:55 AM
It is true, but you don't have much time left. Less then a week in all likelyhood.

You can read all about it here. Start with the FAQ sticky at the top:
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/forumdisplay.php?f=81

odysseus
December 30, 2005, 04:27 AM
Now THAT would be interesting news.

artherd
December 30, 2005, 08:18 AM
Summary: You are basically Correct! The lawsuit you mention was the 2001 decision in Harrott v County of Kings
For more information please see this very fine FAQ on the matter: http://www.calguns.net/a_california_arak.htm

The upshot is: guns not listed HERE are legal, and the DOJ knows it and has agreed in wirting: http://ag.ca.gov/firearms/regs/aw.htm

I've already got SIX! We are putting together a group-buy on some more; http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=26150

Here's my CA-legal (WITH PINNED/BOLTED 10ROUND MAG ONLY!!) CTR:
http://cdglobal.net/gun/AR_4-blur-crop-600.jpg



The court has ruled that unless every AR reciever is named by make and model on the DOJ list than it would no be illegal. In other words every reciever that is listed by name ie: Colt, Armalite, Bushmaster etc. are still illegal. But the small no name companies not listed by name are currently legal.

mfree
December 30, 2005, 11:18 AM
Wouldn't that mean that even after the lists are complete, you could make your own reciever and it's not on the list?

roscoe
December 30, 2005, 01:27 PM
That blotted-out face is a little freaky looking.

artherd
December 30, 2005, 03:13 PM
Wouldn't that mean that even after the lists are complete, you could make your own reciever and it's not on the list?

Absolutely not. If you read the entire Harrott decision, it was based on the ease by which the DOJ *MIGHT* regulate generally available commercial guns.

80% would not have Harrott protection, so don't even think about it. You'll LOOSE in the Supreme court, and probally undo Harrott entirely.

armoredman
December 30, 2005, 03:32 PM
Leave Cali now -let all the LIEberals and anti's move there to thier supposed "heavan" and seal the border.

bg
December 30, 2005, 04:00 PM
Summary: You are basically Correct! The lawsuit you mention was the 2001 decision in Harrott v County of Kings
For more information please see this very fine FAQ on the matter: http://www.calguns.net/a_california_arak.htm

The upshot is: guns not listed HERE are legal, and the DOJ knows it and has agreed in wirting: http://ag.ca.gov/firearms/regs/aw.htm

I've already got SIX! We are putting together a group-buy on some more; http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=26150

Here's my CA-legal (WITH PINNED/BOLTED 10ROUND MAG ONLY!!) CTR:
http://cdglobal.net/gun/AR_4-blur-crop-600.jpg
I'm dumb as a rock looks like..If the mag is pinned and bolted
how do you load it up ? Open the upper and feed the rounds into
the mag and then close it ?

Justang
January 2, 2006, 07:57 PM
This does make it hard to keep all the lower recievers out of California. I don't think they'll ever be able keep up with new companies making new lowers. Unless they come out with some new law, but if you read Harrott v Kings County, they stated the law was not to be self executing. The AG had to add each Make and Model to the list. This doesn't stop the AG from saying "Rock River (all)." Then that company is toast in Cali. But if a new company comes along we may have limited time to buy up the lowers. Atleast, this is the way I see it. If this sounds off to you, post your thoughts. I just think with the new laws according to Harrott V Kings Co, it makes it almost impossible to stop all the companies.

From what I read on Calguns, and here, and all the DOJ notes, it looks like they're going to ammending the law soon. I think we got lucky with the time we have because of the holidays. Merry Christmas California. :p

I read the entire Harrott v Kings Co and then the law, and the FAQ at Calguns. Seems like a pretty nice loophole for now. I can't believe this was ruled on in '01 and were just getting around to it now. Anybody know why? Maybe just fear of the DOJ filing charges?

larry_minn
January 3, 2006, 12:16 AM
Don't know about his. But one Kalif legal AR I saw you had to push rear pin and (break) rifle (like for cleaning) to load rds. :(

Harry Tuttle
January 3, 2006, 12:21 AM
from:
http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=118&t=260461&page=1

Justang
January 3, 2006, 01:07 AM
Don't know about his. But one Kalif legal AR I saw you had to push rear pin and (break) rifle (like for cleaning) to load rds. :(

That's the FAB10.

You can buy these stripped lowers, then put it together. If you get a "Fixed Magazine Kit" and fix the magazine, you will have a completely Cali legal AR15. But if they put the lower on the banned list, you'll have to register it as an AW with Cali.

If you don't put that Fixed Mag Kit on, and you attach the pistol grip... you have yourself an "Assault Weapon" and are guilty of a felony.

Rem700SD
January 3, 2006, 01:47 AM
I'm still a little fuzzy on this. Does this mean there's a new/special market for an AR-15 receiver not on the list, such as a PWC(IIRC, mine) ?

Edit: oops, saw mine in the second list, sry

Justang
January 3, 2006, 02:13 AM
http://www.calguns.net/a_california_arak.htm
http://www.law.com/regionals/ca/opinions/jun/s055064.shtml
http://ag.ca.gov/firearms/genchar.htm

Justang
January 5, 2006, 05:08 AM
Looks like the DOJ is now paying some visits to the FFL's that are selling these "off list" lowers. Apparently the field agents are just collecting California Drivers License information on all the people that bought the lowers. Technically they can't press charges, there are many letters saying it's ok to own and purchase them. On top of that Harrott protects us. The going theory is they are collecting the data to either; 1.Send out registration cards to the buyers so they are registered AW's. or 2. They are checking the background of all purchasers to make sure they are legal to buy. or 3. they want an accurate number of lowers let into the state.

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=26338

30Cal
January 5, 2006, 10:12 PM
Where can I get a Fixed Mag Kit (or does it consist of a 10rd magazine and a buddy with a TiG welder)?

Nevermind. (google'd "ar fixed magazine kit" and found what I need)

I'm DROS'ing for a Fulton lower on Monday.
Ty

CentralTexas
January 5, 2006, 10:17 PM
That blotted-out face is a little freaky looking.

Dude, it's not blotted....:neener:
CT

MarshallDodge
January 5, 2006, 10:33 PM
I have a EA arms (not Eagle) complete lower with collapsable stock. Since this is not on the list, would it be legal to own in CA?

I would be willing to "help" out the California guys if it is.

Justang
January 5, 2006, 10:33 PM
Where can I get a Fixed Mag Kit (or does it consist of a 10rd magazine and a buddy with a TiG welder)?

Nevermind. (google'd "ar fixed magazine kit" and found what I need)

I'm DROS'ing for a Fulton lower on Monday.
Ty

Do you have somebody that will do it Monday? The DOJ is having meeting tomorrow (Friday) about these lowers.

Justang
January 5, 2006, 10:36 PM
I have a EA arms (not Eagle) complete lower with collapsable stock. Since this is not on the list, would it be legal to own in CA?

I would be willing to "help" out the California guys if it is.

Yes, but it'd have to be superfast. Looks like the ball is rolling to get these banned. :(

MarshallDodge
January 5, 2006, 10:46 PM
Yes, but it'd have to be superfast. Looks like the ball is rolling to get these banned. :(
Anyone that is interested PM me.

FreshTapCoke
January 5, 2006, 11:31 PM
I have a EA arms (not Eagle) complete lower with collapsable stock. Since this is not on the list, would it be legal to own in CA?

I would be willing to "help" out the California guys if it is.

Guys like you are awesome in my book!

UberPhLuBB
January 5, 2006, 11:50 PM
Anyone that is interested PM me.

Please take off the pistol grip and collapsible stock if you send it to California! People's lives will end if you don't (yours included)! :uhoh:

You can send them with the receiver, but they cannot be attached in any way (even taped to the side).

dolanp
January 6, 2006, 01:58 AM
I don't get what this changes. Won't it become an 'assault weapon' like any other AR as soon as they close the loophole and won't they make you register it?

Krazy Kommiefornia.

odysseus
January 6, 2006, 02:09 AM
I don't get what this changes. Won't it become an 'assault weapon' like any other AR as soon as they close the loophole and won't they make you register it?

They will then be able to register it and legaly own it due to a mandatory 90 day reg period when their model makes the list. Or so they say.

Justang
January 6, 2006, 02:41 AM
I don't get what this changes. Won't it become an 'assault weapon' like any other AR as soon as they close the loophole and won't they make you register it?

Krazy Kommiefornia.

This means that the DOJ cannot just lay a blanket statement that all "series" of rifles are AW's because the lay person may not understand "minor" difference. It also states a judge, nor jury, nor trial can decide what an AW is. The exact make and model of gun must be listed for it to be legal. Now this doesn't stop the DOJ from listing something like "Rock River Arms - All." But atleast they've listed it. So if you can find an AR lower that is not on the list you can buy it.

By law, you have been able to purchase these lowers since the Harrott ruling in 2001 in California. The public just never caught wind of it. Now that it's come to light, people have consulted lawyers and written letters to the DOJ. Turns out it's legal to purchase and own "off list" AR and AK recievers.

It gets tricky because the law that states we cannot have a pistol grip on a detachable magazine rifle. So we buy the stripped lowers, attach a "fixed magazine kit" and then assemble our own lowers. Then you have a fixed magazine with a pistol grip which is legal.

Yes you will have to register it. By law they have to give you a 90 window to register. So there is no "or they say." I think it's better to have the gun and have it registered then to not have the gun at all. And no way in hell would I have one unregistered. You're just asking for trouble if you do that.

If we have to register our lowers then they will be AW's and we can remove the fixed magazine kit to make it a removeable magazine gun again. Simply because there are no levels of AW. Basically, it lets us put all the evil features on the gun we want. But you shouldn't buy the gun with that in mind. But it with the mind set that you are going to conform to all existing laws. If things change, so be it.

Stay within the law. Especially in California.

This is a short glimmer of freedom we have here.

Please don't mock our state. We all know where we live, and we all have reasons for being here. Saying things like "move to another state" is just lame. I won't move to another state simply for firearms. This state is very beautiful. We just need some of those damn liberals out of office! :)

Black Majik
January 6, 2006, 05:36 PM
Please don't mock our state. We all know where we live, and we all have reasons for being here. Saying things like "move to another state" is just lame. I won't move to another state simply for firearms. This state is very beautiful. We just need some of those damn liberals out of office! :)


Gonna give a big +1 to this statement. :)

TexasRifleman
January 6, 2006, 06:13 PM
Gonna give a big +1 to this statement. :)


So you will trade some pretty scenery and nice weather for personal freedoms?

Because firearms are just one of the many things that California laws do at the cost of personal freedom.

I won't mock, more like feel pity.

MarshallDodge
January 6, 2006, 06:51 PM
Don't mean to derail but I can feel the Californians pain. I lived in Illinois for 20 years. No CCW, no Full-Auto, must have an FOID card(like a permit), 72/24 hour waiting period on handguns/rifles.
I moved to Colorado for a new job and I was shocked when I purchased my first gun there. 15 minutes for the background check and I was out the door. I have not found one anti-gun person in Utah in the four months I have lived here.

If you stay and take a stand you may be able to reverse some of the gun laws.

Black Majik
January 6, 2006, 08:16 PM
So you will trade some pretty scenery and nice weather for personal freedoms?

Because firearms are just one of the many things that California laws do at the cost of personal freedom.

I won't mock, more like feel pity.

Well, everything I know is here. Things that are MORE important to me than firearms. My family, my friends... my life. Yeah I live in California, but its hard to complain except the stupid politics and limited gun rights. I have LA 45 minutes away, San Diego an hour away, access to 4 beaches each 15 minutes away, and if I wanna experience cowtipping I go inland a little more.

Can't forget about the California women... Mmm...mmm..mm...... :evil:

Anyways! Back on topic....



If you stay and take a stand you may be able to reverse some of the gun laws.

I am gonna stay, and we are taking a stand. I doubt we'll reverse any of the gunlaws, but we are sticking up for ourselves. I think this is situation we have here is quite a big step in proving the Cali gunlaws are retarded, and we're doing this legally. We will come through. Not all of us can leave CA to seek other places to live, are lives are here. And I'm gonna stay here and fight back for whatever is left of our gun rights as long as I breathe.....

UberPhLuBB
January 6, 2006, 08:35 PM
You forgot about:

Amusement parks
Snow covered mountains
Dry (or snowy) deserts
Heavy forrests of pine and redwood trees
Huge city amenities (like property value and commerce)
Small towns at the fringe of the valley
Never too hot, 90 deg extreme, usually 80-85 in the summer
Never too cold, 40 deg extreme, usually 50-60 in the winter
NEVER muggy

In addition to the multiple beaches, farmland, museums and attractions of all kinds, views of the mountains from the valley and views of the valley from the mountains.

And every bit of it no more than an hour away. Point out another part of the country where all of this is available with an hour drive and I'll gladly move there! I'll be gone before you click "Submit Reply!"

Honestly, if we had other options, wouldn't we exercise them? I'm sorry if it's an alien concept to put all of that, in addition to the majority of my family and friends before gun rights. I've considered very seriously moving to Oregon, I have family and friends there. I've gotten very close to leaving on a couple of occations, but I always remember what I have in California and stay. If something big passes which prohibits my owning a handgun, or ANY gun, I will move. But just for certain kinds of rifles, no way.

thorazine
January 6, 2006, 08:36 PM
Can't forget about the California women...

Mmm...mmm..mm...... :evil:

Yup (eight years of experiance)!

They can be sexy as hell!

But little (if anything) consists underneath! (dummies!)

The state income tax kinda sucks too.

Byron Quick
January 6, 2006, 09:30 PM
The only thing mentioned in defense of staying in California that resonates with me is friends and family. That might make me stay if I was in that trap. But I wouldn't be trying to rationalize it. I'd admit it...I'm in a trap.

The scenery, the wonderful weather, the wonderful weather, commerce, and etc. in no way outweighs my personal freedom.

Oh, it's not just guns either. California law and state policy has many items that would preclude my living there if I owned not one single firearm and had no plans of ever touching a firearm in my remaining lifespan.

I have little respect or love for any government known to history. A good government is simply the best of a bad lot.

In my view, the idea that California is the trendsetter for the nation is not a point to be bragged on. Rather it is an item of serious concern for the future of the nation.

No_Brakes23
January 6, 2006, 09:38 PM
So you will trade some pretty scenery and nice weather for personal freedoms?

That's sounds awful funny coming from a resident of a state that doesn't allow open carry. How come you don't move to a truly free state? And Texas has other issues with freedom.

Matter of fact, what the hell are you even doing in a Cali based thread?

I want to move to a freer place, but some of the places that have the most firearms freedom are just horrible. I am not dealing wih 33% unemployment, trailer trash and meth epidemics just for an EBR. Obviously not all places are like that, (Just the last place I lived,) but no place is perfect. (If it was, leftists would move there and ruin it within 20 years.)

In my view, the idea that California is the trendsetter for the nation is not a point to be bragged on. Rather it is an item of serious concern for the future of the nation. We both agree on that one. One of my worst fears about an eventual move out of Cali is that the effed up laws and overpopulation and sky high economy will follow me.

Gordon Fink
January 6, 2006, 09:41 PM
Back on topic, does this “loophole” cover anything other than AR-style receivers?

~G. Fink

Black Majik
January 6, 2006, 10:25 PM
Back on topic, does this “loophole” cover anything other than AR-style receivers?

~G. Fink

Well... its not a loophole, since we're complying with the law. But as I remember the Harrott decision only affects the AR and AK series.

Therefore, no luck with the other cool semi autos such as the HK91, AUG, SIG55x etc....

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/forumdisplay.php?f=81

All the info to your hearts content. :)

No_Brakes23
January 7, 2006, 04:35 AM
Back on topic, does this “loophole” cover anything other than AR-style receivers?

~G. Fink The problem with other receivers is that if you can't easily make it accept stripper clips, what are you going to do with it. An AR can be broken down "shotgun-style" to load, but what of an AK? I suppose a Saiga style AK could make it in, but that is real questionable.

Justang
January 7, 2006, 05:10 AM
Where else can you snowboard in the morning and surf in the afternoon? Only in California. ;)

Don't pitty us. Help us. Remember, we are all one country here. You see that we have limited freedoms. You should find this outrageous and want to help your fellow American. Poking fun isn't helping either. ;)

To prove that California is the best place to live in the US, I just read in the OC Journal that California is number 1 for most expensive houses. The OC is the 3rd most expensive place to live in the US (Behind NYC and SF bay area), and that includes Hawaii too!

No_Brakes23
January 7, 2006, 05:25 AM
To prove that California is the best place to live in the US, I just read in the OC Journal that California is number 1 for most expensive houses. The OC is the 3rd most expensive place to live in the US (Behind NYC and SF bay area), and that includes Hawaii too! That's the problem, everyone wants to live in a few places; and that everyone includes misguided fearmongering politicians who can't stand the thought of private citizens with any sort of self-determination. It also includes the lazy sheeple who empower said politicians.

Number 6
January 7, 2006, 06:11 AM
I usually try not to complain about living in California on message boards because it gets repetitive and is not productive. The reality is that my family, my girlfriend, my church, and my school are all in California. Telling those of us to move is ridiculous and is not helpful. I can demean any part of the country for its bad qualities, and glorify it for its good. The reality is that our home is where we make it, and telling us to leave is not helpful. There are many places in this country that I would never want to live, but I do not go around telling those that do live there to move. Its a relative point, and lets leave it at that and move forward. What's important is that a whole lot of us got some AR receivers. :evil: :D

Spreadfire Arms
January 7, 2006, 10:25 AM
ive been shipping Stag and Ameetec lowers to CA. of course i have a huge waitlist though!

trueblue1776
January 7, 2006, 01:10 PM
I remember seeing a pinned DPMS in a cali gunshop in like 2000 or 2001, I don't think this is anything new. Most gun mnfr's at some point or another have offered Cali legal versions. I'm not sure that all this hype is deserved. You can accurize a mini-14 and have something that comes close to AR type accuracy and still have detachable mags. Further, you can still buy most SKS models (sans grenade launcher).

For me it wasn't what they banned, it was the ignorant attitude, I think they had a commitee sit down and watch Steven Segal movies for a week and write down every gun that made their ass#0!@ quiver then they banned everything on their list. The BMG ban was the last straw for me. Guess they haven't heard of .408 Chey-Tac yet...

Gordon Fink
January 7, 2006, 11:04 PM
Thanks for the information, Black Majik and No_Brakes. However, I would say this is a legal “loophole,” as I’m sure the present situation is not what the prohibitionists intended. Taking advantage of it still means complying with the “law,” as you said. ;)

~G. Fink

trueblue1776
January 8, 2006, 03:26 PM
hmmm,Einstein came up with an equation for pinned mags:

Pinned mag + $1000 battle rifle = NO BALLS

Save 800 bucks and get an SKS. Better yet, I sell anyone in california a spraypainted SKS for $500 bucks.

It's a novelty to have an AR in Cali, I get it.

this "loophole" is nothing new, they have won, you aren't tricking anyone or pullung a fast one. There is no way in hell that any criminal dangerous enough to rob a North Hollywood bank would be stupid enough to use a pinned 10 round mag on his gun. Therefore the only people who are endangered by that gun are your kids, when you spend their grocery money on that abomination.

:evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:

BTW there is cali legal FAL's too

UberPhLuBB
January 8, 2006, 05:42 PM
hmmm,Einstein came up with an equation for pinned mags:

Pinned mag + $1000 battle rifle = NO BALLS

Save 800 bucks and get an SKS. Better yet, I sell anyone in california a spraypainted SKS for $500 bucks.

It's a novelty to have an AR in Cali, I get it.

this "loophole" is nothing new, they have won, you aren't tricking anyone or pullung a fast one. There is no way in hell that any criminal dangerous enough to rob a North Hollywood bank would be stupid enough to use a pinned 10 round mag on his gun. Therefore the only people who are endangered by that gun are your kids, when you spend their grocery money on that abomination.

:evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:

BTW there is cali legal FAL's too


You missed the point of the thread. Go on ahead and re-read it. ;)

We don't want fixed-mag AR's.

Justang
January 8, 2006, 10:36 PM
You missed the point of the thread. Go on ahead and re-read it. ;)

We don't want fixed-mag AR's.

Well he is from Alabama, it's supprising he can even read. I wouldn't expect him to have reading comprehension. I'm sure the 3 links I provided were beyond his 3rd grade education. Otherwise he would have known that the loophole is new.

Now that's not very "High Road" of me, but neither is bashing on California/Californians in these sorts of ways. I'm tired of it.





****Disclaimer: I really don't mean those things, but it's my way of showing how stupid it is to bash one state. Every state has it's stereotypes. Please don't bash my state. ;) Re-read my post above concerning this comment.****

Black Majik
January 9, 2006, 12:43 AM
Lets try not to get this thread locked. It is good information for fellow Californians that are late (REALLY LATE) in the game to get an unilsted lower.

Hmm... so how many people have gotten their lowers? :D

30Cal
January 9, 2006, 02:56 AM
I'm DROS'ing mine tomorrow. I want an AR for NRA Highpower. Even if the mag stays pinned forever, it will suit that purpose just fine (and when I shoot out of state, I can pull the pin rather than beg/borrow/steal someone else's lower receiver).

Ty

Justang
January 9, 2006, 03:01 AM
Although speculative, there is a very good point to this thread:
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=26519

trueblue1776
January 10, 2006, 01:34 AM
Well he is from Alabama, it's supprising he can even read. I wouldn't expect him to have reading comprehension. I'm sure the 3 links I provided were beyond his 3rd grade education. Otherwise he would have known that the loophole is new.


I deserved that, sorry, missed the point, sorry. For the record I was born and raised (and Schooled) in California. I did read the thread but in California they only taught me how to read en Espanol.

Justang
January 10, 2006, 02:35 AM
I deserved that, sorry, missed the point, sorry. For the record I was born and raised (and Schooled) in California. I did read the thread but in California they only taught me how to read en Espanol.


LOL @ the Espanol. I hear that!

Kevlarman
January 10, 2006, 06:59 PM
I've got two RRA lowers I'm waiting for. If I slapped an M4gery (haha) upper on it with a telestock, would it meet the 30" overall length requirement? Or would I have to permanently fix the stock so that it's open? :confused:

I might get a third lower; that MEGA logo is so cool looking! :evil:

Black Majik
January 10, 2006, 07:05 PM
I've got two RRA lowers I'm waiting for. If I slapped an M4gery (haha) upper on it with a telestock, would it meet the 30" overall length requirement? Or would I have to permanently fix the stock so that it's open? :confused:

I might get a third lower; that MEGA logo is so cool looking! :evil:

James, the collapsible stock should meet the 30" requirement if you get a 16" upper.

Kevlarman
January 10, 2006, 07:08 PM
*whew!* ;)
Thanks!

Moonclip
January 10, 2006, 08:21 PM
So you will trade some pretty scenery and nice weather for personal freedoms?

Because firearms are just one of the many things that California laws do at the cost of personal freedom.

I won't mock, more like feel pity.

My family has lived in CA for over 100 years. If your area became anti gun, would you be able to just pack up and leave your job, family, home, ect? And don't forget that CA absorbs a lot of the fruitcakes and weirdos from your states, please tell them to stay home then or thank me because they are no longer influencing your politics.

I will leave CA when I feel like it, not because the anti gunners are trying to force me out. And I kind of actually like sticking around just to keep a gun culture alive in CA.

Gewehr98
January 10, 2006, 08:33 PM
I lived there for ten years, and left before SB-23 went into effect, because over half of my rifle collection would have to be registered/deeded to the DOJ. No way, no amount of family or pretty bikini babes was keeping me there, sorry. I carried 300 30-round AK-47 magazines out of there for a friend who couldn't escape the occupied territories before SB-23 went live. Sacramento was great, but not so great I'd have to register my AR-15, M14NM, BM-59, SLR-95, and so forth. Now I'm in Florida with a CCW, Disney World, and a NFA Krinkov.

Regarding the OC property values being a bonus.... ***? :scrutiny:

30Cal
January 10, 2006, 08:34 PM
Those of us in Kali who are shooters are very serious about it. I can shoot a match every day of every weekend of the year without driving more than an hour. And that's just highpower.

When I lived in WA State and Kentucky, it was almost a 2 hour drive to the nearest match.

No_Brakes23
January 10, 2006, 08:37 PM
I've got two RRA lowers I'm waiting for. If I slapped an M4gery (haha) upper on it with a telestock, would it meet the 30" overall length requirement? Or would I have to permanently fix the stock so that it's open? :confused:

I might get a third lower; that MEGA logo is so cool looking! :evil: 1.I am pretty sure RRA is already listed.

2. shhhh about the Megas, I want one and don't have the money. Have you seen the front of the Mega receiver?

redneck2
January 10, 2006, 08:44 PM
And don't forget that CA absorbs a lot of the fruitcakes and weirdos from your states, please tell them to stay home then or thank me because they are no longer influencing your politics.

LMAO...

You guys in Kali think you've got it made. You think beaches with almost nikked women and mountains and National Parks with bigs trees are soooooooo cool

Where else but the mid-west can you drive through hundreds of miles of corn fields looking at hog farms?

:neener:

Duke of Lawnchair
January 10, 2006, 08:47 PM
Where else but the mid-west can you drive through hundreds of miles of corn fields looking at hog farms?

Bacon tastes good.

Black Majik
January 10, 2006, 08:49 PM
1.I am pretty sure RRA is already listed.



The RRA LAR-15 isn't :)

Kevlarman
January 10, 2006, 09:05 PM
1.I am pretty sure RRA is already listed.

2. shhhh about the Megas, I want one and don't have the money. Have you seen the front of the Mega receiver?


As Black Majik already stated, the RRA LAR-15 specifically isn't on the list. ;)

And I say that "Gator Grip" thing on the Mega lowers... I just want it because of the cool atomic rollmark. :neener:

Man, the 10th day of my waiting period is on the 17th... Martin Luther King Day!Too bad my work observes is on Monday the 16th, and even if I could get out of work on the 17th, I'm not sure the FFL will be open. So I guess it's weekend pickup for me. :(

Black Majik
January 10, 2006, 09:33 PM
As Black Majik already stated, the RRA LAR-15 specifically isn't on the list. ;)

And I say that "Gator Grip" thing on the Mega lowers... I just want it because of the cool atomic rollmark. :neener:

Man, the 10th day of my waiting period is on the 17th... Martin Luther King Day!Too bad my work observes is on Monday the 16th, and even if I could get out of work on the 17th, I'm not sure the FFL will be open. So I guess it's weekend pickup for me. :(

Hey! I pick up my lowers on Friday the 13th! :what: :D :evil:

Justang
January 10, 2006, 10:41 PM
Hey! I pick up my lowers on Friday the 13th! :what: :D :evil:

Thursday the 12th. :D

Kevlarman
January 10, 2006, 10:49 PM
My bad, MLK Jr. Day is on Monday the 16th.. but still!
I want my lower now!!! :mad:

Black Majik
January 10, 2006, 11:02 PM
we should have a build our lowers/AR day :evil:

Spreadfire Arms
January 11, 2006, 01:27 AM
yeah this CA lower thing has got me very busy. i received yesterday 12 Stags and sent out 11 as of tonight. the last 1 is already spoken for, the guy just hasn't given me payment yet.

i also have a waitlist as long as my arm on my email. when the next 12 Stags come in i bet they'll all be sold as well, providing they come before the CA new-and-improved ban.

i think i have some Ameetec LE-marked stripped lowers, maybe 3 or 4 if im lucky.....but i should go down the waitlist.

:D

BamBam-31
January 11, 2006, 01:59 AM
we should have a build our lowers/AR day

Already built mine! :D :cool:

Black Majik
January 11, 2006, 02:03 AM
Already built mine! :D :cool:

*ahem* we can still build a 2nd one :D

Kevlarman
January 11, 2006, 02:35 AM
We can get a whole assembly line going, then head for the range!

El Rojo
January 14, 2006, 01:45 PM
I am not dealing wih 33% unemployment, trailer trash and meth epidemics just for an EBR [like you guys in Texas].I guess you aren't up here in Kern County then! Sorry, I had to dis on my own county.

An aside then back to business. I have mainly been hanging out at calguns.net lately as I am trying like crazy to sell the heck out of lowers and uppers and that is a good place to do it. However, I have found they don't have the same High Road expectations over there. I have been very disappointed lately with their elitist attitude and the way they treat newbies. Honestly some of them are idiots they way they are treating their fellow gun owners.

Now that the business is dying down a bit, I come back to THR and I am glad to see all of the friendly posts. However, one thing at THR seems to never change. People from out of California telling us what we should and should not do like they have a inkling of what it is really like to live here. You can do a search on my posts and I don't know how many times I have to go off because some arrogant out of state know it all wants to tell us how to run things here or what we are doing right or wrong. Save it.

When we make California threads, unless you have something productive to say, don't say anything at all. We don't give a damn about your negative attitude. Oh so many people are just itching to tell us to put our tails between our legs and flee for your part of the country. Some of us chose to stay and fight and are not cowards. I am not saying those that left are cowards. Hey do what is best for you and I respect that.

So unless you have an genuine concern and want to share it, save your trash talk for some other board. It should not be tolerated at The High Road. If Californians are doing something to help make their state better, let them. Sure these ARs are probably going to have to get registered and sure you free staters look down on us over it. However, if you looked at the bigger picture, this AR business just put my little old gun shop on the map. We are way out of the red and now we can keep selling regular old guns to more and more people of California. The money I make can be used to support 2nd Amendment causes as well as my family. Any guns you can sell in California are good guns just by the fact that more shooters are out there. You would be surprised how many shotgunner types that honestly could care less about an AR15 tell me they are buying one just because the state doesn't want them too. That is what this is really about. Getting more people on board.

El Rojo
January 14, 2006, 01:47 PM
Now back to the business at hand. I have been on the front lines of this campaign and if you haven't purchased a lower receiver yet, please e-mail me and I can point you in the right direction. Sorry I am out of stock and done selling my 190 lowers or so (and the DOJ took 16 of them because they had "auto" on the side. I am sure I will get them back, after they get listed and I can't have them anymore), but I can find you someone who does have them. guns@tenpercentfirearms.com

I am also starting to sell upper parts and I want your business. I am going to think of something to do for THR members as way of just recognizing my roots. So be sure to call me if you have upper and lower parts needs.

Keep up the good work guys!

Justang
January 14, 2006, 02:16 PM
I guess you aren't up here in Kern County then! Sorry, I had to dis on my own county.

An aside then back to business. I have mainly been hanging out at calguns.net lately as I am trying like crazy to sell the heck out of lowers and uppers and that is a good place to do it. However, I have found they don't have the same High Road expectations over there. I have been very disappointed lately with their elitist attitude and the way they treat newbies. Honestly some of them are idiots they way they are treating their fellow gun owners.

Now that the business is dying down a bit, I come back to THR and I am glad to see all of the friendly posts. However, one thing at THR seems to never change. People from out of California telling us what we should and should not do like they have a inkling of what it is really like to live here. You can do a search on my posts and I don't know how many times I have to go off because some arrogant out of state know it all wants to tell us how to run things here or what we are doing right or wrong. Save it.

When we make California threads, unless you have something productive to say, don't say anything at all. We don't give a damn about your negative attitude. Oh so many people are just itching to tell us to put our tails between our legs and flee for your part of the country. Some of us chose to stay and fight and are not cowards. I am not saying those that left are cowards. Hey do what is best for you and I respect that.

So unless you have an genuine concern and want to share it, save your trash talk for some other board. It should not be tolerated at The High Road. If Californians are doing something to help make their state better, let them. Sure these ARs are probably going to have to get registered and sure you free staters look down on us over it. However, if you looked at the bigger picture, this AR business just put my little old gun shop on the map. We are way out of the red and now we can keep selling regular old guns to more and more people of California. The money I make can be used to support 2nd Amendment causes as well as my family. Any guns you can sell in California are good guns just by the fact that more shooters are out there. You would be surprised how many shotgunner types that honestly could care less about an AR15 tell me they are buying one just because the state doesn't want them too. That is what this is really about. Getting more people on board.


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Black Majik
January 14, 2006, 04:13 PM
I guess you aren't up here in Kern County then! Sorry, I had to dis on my own county.

An aside then back to business. I have mainly been hanging out at calguns.net lately as I am trying like crazy to sell the heck out of lowers and uppers and that is a good place to do it. However, I have found they don't have the same High Road expectations over there. I have been very disappointed lately with their elitist attitude and the way they treat newbies. Honestly some of them are idiots they way they are treating their fellow gun owners.

Now that the business is dying down a bit, I come back to THR and I am glad to see all of the friendly posts. However, one thing at THR seems to never change. People from out of California telling us what we should and should not do like they have a inkling of what it is really like to live here. You can do a search on my posts and I don't know how many times I have to go off because some arrogant out of state know it all wants to tell us how to run things here or what we are doing right or wrong. Save it.

When we make California threads, unless you have something productive to say, don't say anything at all. We don't give a damn about your negative attitude. Oh so many people are just itching to tell us to put our tails between our legs and flee for your part of the country. Some of us chose to stay and fight and are not cowards. I am not saying those that left are cowards. Hey do what is best for you and I respect that.

So unless you have an genuine concern and want to share it, save your trash talk for some other board. It should not be tolerated at The High Road. If Californians are doing something to help make their state better, let them. Sure these ARs are probably going to have to get registered and sure you free staters look down on us over it. However, if you looked at the bigger picture, this AR business just put my little old gun shop on the map. We are way out of the red and now we can keep selling regular old guns to more and more people of California. The money I make can be used to support 2nd Amendment causes as well as my family. Any guns you can sell in California are good guns just by the fact that more shooters are out there. You would be surprised how many shotgunner types that honestly could care less about an AR15 tell me they are buying one just because the state doesn't want them too. That is what this is really about. Getting more people on board.

Wes, I agree wholeheartedly. Definitely +1 to all.

I also want to ad because of this whole AR15 thing, while there has been some tension over on CGN, in general this has made California as a whole closer. I have gotten many questions and tried my best to answer their questions the best I could. I have had longer conversations at our shoots just discussing about this whole AR banter. I personally feel that I have gotten to know some of the great members on this site. Granted, most of the people on our site also post on CGN, I know I do... but its not too difficult to pick out the good members from the trolls.

I see a positive experience out of this whole thing. :)

Malone LaVeigh
January 14, 2006, 04:53 PM
However, if you looked at the bigger picture, this AR business just put my little old gun shop on the map. We are way out of the red and now we can keep selling regular old guns to more and more people of California.
Can we start calling you El Verde?

When I lived in California, it used to piss me off when people took cheap shots on these boards. Still does.

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