Airsoft OUCH THEY HURT!!


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GoBrush
December 30, 2005, 01:37 AM
We went to my Brother InLaws for Christmas and his 8 year old boy shot me about 6 times in the stomach (it was an auto). TICKED ME OFF I took it from the little puke and unloaded on him. He said ouch that hurts I said it hurt just as bad when he shot me with the ???? thing. (I probably should have just taken it away and givin it to his mom and dad and let them punish the puke) Any way I know I did not handle the situation well but here is my question.

To me any gun that something comes out of the barrel is a "GUN" and all safety rules should apply. The ONLY situation I would agree with shooting another human with one of these would be for force on force training. I hate to put a crimp on the Airsoft market (ya right) but I just do not think these make good toys (or for that matter neither do paint ball guns) In my humble opinion it would be better to buy your kid a BB Gun and teach them real gun rules.

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wallysparx
December 30, 2005, 01:46 AM
To me any gun that something comes out of the barrel is a "GUN" and all safety rules should apply.
so...you shouldn't have shot the kid back with the airsoft gun then?

HD
December 30, 2005, 01:49 AM
it says right on the instuction "do not shoot the creature" with an illustration of a critter/human...
most people are idiots , the local pukes have airsoft wars all the time , try a 600 fps fullauto with .20/.25/.30 gram pellets...
THEY WILL DRAW BLOOD!!! fricking idjits ! ... :cuss:

ka50
December 30, 2005, 01:59 AM
it says right on the instuction "do not shoot the creature" with an illustration of a critter/human...
most people are idiots , the local pukes have airsoft wars all the time , try a 600 fps fullauto with .20/.25/.30 gram pellets...
THEY WILL DRAW BLOOD!!! fricking idjits ! ... :cuss:

local pukes? have airsoft battles? ...

most automatic electrical guns (full auto airsofts) have about 300fps. A lot of people actually have MilSim airsoft battles and tournaments, like paintball, did you know that?

Lucky
December 30, 2005, 02:01 AM
If you obey the safety rules there are no problems. Simple as that.

Rules like: -observe 'mercy' kills at close ranges -wear protective equipment -when in doubt as to whether harm will be done by firing at another, err on the side of caution.

I have paintball guns, but I follow airsoft somewhat. I see flak-jackets in shops for airsoft players, and they are filled with foam. I guess it's not just for looks.

And with 'sniper rifles' of airsoft, I'm certain, there are absolute minimum ranges within which they are not allowed to be fired at opponents.


Once again, if people mis-use an item it is not the fault of the item. The item in question could just as easily been a pool cue or a hammer, and the mis-use would have been just as inappropriate.

Chuck123
December 30, 2005, 02:30 AM
Maybe you could to gently talk to him and his Dad about the proper mine set and handling of any type of firearms. Possibly a good start is with the information the NRA has for kids (Eddie Eagle). Contact NRA and get some information.

You just might be the person that can straighten this kid around and turn him into a reasonable young man.

PS: I think all kids need responsible Audits to help them that truly care.

Chuck

kage genin
December 30, 2005, 07:52 AM
I hate to put a crimp on the Airsoft market (ya right) but I just do not think these make good toys (or for that matter neither do paint ball guns) In my humble opinion it would be better to buy your kid a BB Gun and teach them real gun rules.

Have you stopped to think that what you're effectively doing is blaming the inanimate object for what happened rather than the irresponsible person/people? It's completely unfair to paint all airsofting/paintballing kids as irresponsibly dangerous little pukes. If they are (and there are a lot out there), guess what?

It isn't the gun's fault.

It just sounds hypocritical to criticise anti-gun groups like the VPC for demonizing all gun owners because guns are used by criminals, yet demonize airsofters/paintballers because of the actions of a kid with apparently questionable upbringing.

280PLUS
December 30, 2005, 08:27 AM
Just recently I found myself literally in the middle of 3 guys (not kids) having a little airsoft war out in a parking lot behind the reaturant I was going into. When I saw the guns at first, I damn near began reaching for mine. Except it ain't no airsoft. I just walked on without saying anything because until I read this I thought they were virtually harmless. Should there be a next time, I'll be speaking up.

ATAShooter
December 30, 2005, 08:52 AM
Kind of the same situation here ( their Daddy is a butthead and don't teach them crap )... I have a 15 yr old nephew and a 10 yr. They were burning each other wildly with these weapons and what I did was I took one of the rifles and found something pretty easy to break ( I used a ball off the Christmas tree ) and popped it with it from 3 ft. They actually had no Idea of the power they held in their hands.... So, I ran thru some basic firearm rules with them, and then I took them to Wally world, we got some thick cover-alls and some paintball masks, emposed a 6 foot no-fire zone. They had a blast, and then they got me into the war and I went and bought me one and we have been playing everyday. But they do understand that when the masks and cover-alls come off it is NO combat fire time, ( unless they want to plink cans on the hill ). I emposed my own rule of ( If you shoot someone that is not prepared with the clothing we designated, I will run over your airsoft gun with my truck and that is that. ) Also, They are not allowed to take them away from here ( farm ) without an RESPONSIBLE adult.

Richardson
December 30, 2005, 08:57 AM
I emposed my own rule of ( If you shoot someone that is not prepared with the clothing we designated, I will run over your airsoft gun with my truck and that is that. )

:)
Reinforcing with a permanent consequence.... I bet they got the point.

Richardson
December 30, 2005, 09:00 AM
We went to my Brother InLaws for Christmas and his 8 year old boy shot me about 6 times in the stomach (it was an auto). TICKED ME OFF I took it from the little puke and unloaded on him. He said ouch that hurts I said it hurt just as bad when he shot me with the ???? thing. (I probably should have just taken it away and givin it to his mom and dad and let them punish the puke) Any way I know I did not handle the situation well but here is my question.
...
In my humble opinion it would be better to buy your kid a BB Gun and teach them real gun rules.

I don't think you handled the situtation as badly as I might have. I'd have probably handed the kid several pieces of what use to be an airsoft gun. If he learned the lesson then I don't think any harm has been done.

I agree that starting out with a BB gun & teaching all the gun rules to be the superior way to introduce a child to any type of gun.

hso
December 30, 2005, 09:08 AM
Airsoft guns are not nerf toys.

If used to shoot at other people without goggles they are truely dangerous. I've used simunition in training as well as airsoft and consider the airsoft to be only a notch less hazardous.

I can't condone your "teaching" the kid a lesson while you were angry, and I don't think you do either, but it's important that everyone at that house understand how dangerous they are. It's also important that they understand what a lawyer and a court will do to them if someone gets hit that isn't a member of the family. If these idiots own anything it will be gone, trailer, truck and bassboat!

grnzbra
December 30, 2005, 10:04 AM
Airsoft shouldn't be given to kids unless it is to be used under supervision for training purposes. If people are into Airsoft battles (I don't know what the proper name for it is, but it is an organized activity) they are serious sporting goods, like paintball.

However, since they are available as virtually exact replicas of real guns (what the airsofters call "real steel") they make marvelous trainining equipment for us. I have to drive 45 minutes to get to my club to shoot, but I only need to step into my garage to practice. Yes I could do the same thing dry firing my 1911, but this is more interresting. Just be sure to wear eye protection; those plastic BBs tend to bounce all around a room if you miss the target and hit the wall.

Finally, the ultimate use for them is in force on force training. For this you want a paintball mask (airsoft masks seem to be a little on the minimalist side and leave the side of your head unprotected. They, pretty much, only protect the eyes). Also, in FOF, you want it to hurt. You want to have the instant feedback of being hit, hurt and, if you are playing the goodguy, fighting back through the pain. It doesn't hurt that much that there is any difficulty continuing on; it's psychological training to reduce the tendency to say, "So, ????" and give up. Gabe Suarez book on Interactive Gunfighting explains the mechanism in great detail. It's a marvelous how to book for a group of training partners who want to do some FOF training.

Children should always be assumed to be irresponsible until proven otherwise. (But, hey, I just spent Christmas Day with my inlaws' kids, so my perception may be just a little slanted at the moment)

W Turner
December 30, 2005, 02:09 PM
Yep, they do hurt. I pulled a bonehead stunt at a local sporting goods store. I was looking at an Airsoft pistol there and they had a cardboard backstop set-up for you to shoot at. I put a few shots into the cardboard, but still couldn't get a good read on how powerful they were (looking to buy it for a younger cousin). I then used my wonderful, supreme intelligence to cook up the idea of holding the palm of my hand about 6" away from the muzzle and pulling the trigger to see how strong the air pressure was when it came out. Wanting to be safe, I racked the slide, dropped the mag............




anyone see the problem here?







........held my palm about 6" away from the muzzle, and pulled the trigger. Let's just say the clerk about crapped his pants trying to keep from laughing. Left a dime-sized bruise for a few days and smarted a little for the next two hours.



W

KriegHund
December 30, 2005, 02:18 PM
Shooting random people w/o their consent= bad
Shooting people (with airsoft and paintball guns) with their consent= good
me and my friend do it occasionally with mini full auto's.

As with anything else, responsibility is the key. We could ban all toy guns becuase a few are used badly, but that would be the same as banning real guns because a few criminals used them.

Oh yeah, and drop before you rack :D


*edit* some of you people are very angry...

english kanigit
December 30, 2005, 05:27 PM
*edit* some of you people are very angry... :rolleyes:

Understatement of the day... I'm suprised somebody hasn't advocated pulling a ccw on the kid yet. :scrutiny:

colt.45
December 30, 2005, 06:08 PM
they dont even resemble guns and there is no possible way to make them lethal. i play paint and it is fun, if you wear the goggles it doesnt even hurt. and if you think it teaches bad safety, it can but only to small children.

Ares
December 30, 2005, 06:18 PM
Paint balls don't hurt!?! Not if you're wearing 6" of padding they don't but get hit just wearing jeans, they leave a welt and frankly sting like hell, especially in the winter if they've gotten cold...

I still do it though it's a blast but to say they don't hurt... I don't think so. I play airsoft too, they don't hurt nearly as bad, especially at range.

As for kids shooting people with either without their consent, at close range no less, I'd bust the damn thing in half and proceed to read them the riot act.

While the way the OP handled it may not be PC, I bet the child will remember it and not do it again either...

RioShooter
December 30, 2005, 06:34 PM
He said ouch that hurts I said it hurt just as bad when he shot me with the damn thing.

I think you communicated your point better than any lecture could. Especially with an 8 y.o.

Good job!

TexasRifleman
December 30, 2005, 06:42 PM
they dont even resemble guns and there is no possible way to make them lethal. i play paint and it is fun, if you wear the goggles it doesnt even hurt. and if you think it teaches bad safety, it can but only to small children.

2 of Armotech's newest paintball guns. Nah, don't look anything like real guns at all do they.......

http://www.packrat-toyz.com/images/Armotech/WG47f.jpg

http://www.packrat-toyz.com/images/Armotech/WG65-Clip.gif

280PLUS
December 30, 2005, 06:52 PM
they dont even resemble guns and there is no possible way to make them lethal I've heard of people polishing down glass marbles untill they fit into their paintball gun. That would make them Darn near lethal. I told the paintball gun salesman I might have to REALLY shoot somebody if they ever pulled that crap on me. He agreed.

Personally, I don't see a problem with blowing your stack at a kid who desperately needs it. It helps to get their attention for one thing and then they won't be thinking you're so much of a pushover afterward either. Sometimes it's just plain good for 'em!

:D

Standing Wolf
December 30, 2005, 07:16 PM
Maybe adult supervision will come back into fashion.

KriegHund
December 30, 2005, 07:55 PM
And maybe some of us can quite going the route of the Anti-Gunners; blaming the tool for the action, not the person using the tool.

"Airsoft guns dont hurt people, people do!"
"Paintball guns dont kill people- i do!" (I laughed very hard when the riflemen from warcraft 3 said that....cept he said guns, not paintballs)

Shooting the kid back prolly wasnt the best idea...i remember when i used to need a revenge for a revenge for a revenge...A punch for a punch, then a punch for that punch...

Plus, you just broke the same rules he did when you shot him back. A spanking wouldve hurt just as much and taight the same lesson.

It should be mentioned that the kid never shoulda shot you in the first place, though!!

Hawkmoon
December 30, 2005, 08:01 PM
I emposed my own rule of ( If you shoot someone that is not prepared with the clothing we designated, I will run over your airsoft gun with my truck and that is that. ) Also, They are not allowed to take them away from here ( farm ) without an RESPONSIBLE adult.
Good rule.

colt.45
December 30, 2005, 08:37 PM
but when your playing and the adrenalyn is rushing you get over it in a few seconds. i play in a t-shirt and blue jeans. armotech is about the only company that makes replica guns, and half of the paintball guys hate those guns unless theyre playing in the woods so dont pull that crap on me. and the whole marble thing, bull crap they are either too big or to small. believe me i have tried to shot various things through my cheap gun the small marbles just plop out and go about 20 yards, and do you realize how much time it would take to polish down a marble. you would be better off with a slingshot.

GoBrush
December 31, 2005, 12:34 PM
[QUOTE=GoBrush] I hate to put a crimp on the Airsoft market (ya right) but I just do not think these make good toys (or for that matter neither do paint ball guns) In my humble opinion it would be better to buy your kid a BB Gun and teach them real gun rules.

Good responses even though my original quote sounds like I may have been blaming the "airsoft" I am not, I am blaming bad parenting. I guess I should have said I think a BB Gun would be a better way to teach gun rules and habits. I just dont think an 8 year old with zero gun training is ready for force on force with out learning basic gun safety and respects whatever it is his parents have put into his hands.

springmom
December 31, 2005, 01:41 PM
Just recently I found myself literally in the middle of 3 guys (not kids) having a little airsoft war out in a parking lot behind the reaturant I was going into. When I saw the guns at first, I damn near began reaching for mine. Except it ain't no airsoft. I just walked on without saying anything because until I read this I thought they were virtually harmless. Should there be a next time, I'll be speaking up.

There would have been three young men needing new drawers if I'd walked out into that, UNLESS I had happened to notice the little orange frontpiece. People who "play" at gun battles need to do it somewhere where they won't be mistaken for the real thing and die as a result. I can just see the headline in the making..... :cuss:

Springmom

GEM
December 31, 2005, 01:48 PM
They hurt. I've been seriously shot up with paintballs and airsoft in professional FOF and they sting and can draw blood.

A parent who lets a kid play with such in an unsupervised fashion or with proper instruction is stupid.

280PLUS
December 31, 2005, 03:50 PM
There would have been three young men needing new drawers if I'd walked out into that, UNLESS I had happened to notice the little orange frontpiece.It was a close one. Honestly, I don't remember seeing orange muzzles. All I saw was 1911 looking guns that came out of nowhere but they were just going "tick, tick, tick" when they started pulling the triggers. One had rushed his friend and was shooting him point blank. LIke I said earlier, I thought they were more like "nerf" guns and harmless. But I can see now how an accidental shooting could occur under those circumstances. It was literally a split second decision whether to pull my weapon or not. Fortunately for all concerned, I made the right choice.

WillBrayJr
December 31, 2005, 05:42 PM
they dont even resemble guns and there is no possible way to make them lethal. i play paint and it is fun, if you wear the goggles it doesnt even hurt. and if you think it teaches bad safety, it can but only to small children.

Paintballs not lethal? If you got shot in the temple by a paintball, there's a good chance you could die from it. Getting hit with a plastic bb hurts alot less than a paintball. Lets not forget about freezing paintballs.

Dude, please do some research on this matter.

jefnvk
December 31, 2005, 05:58 PM
they dont even resemble guns and there is no possible way to make them lethal. i play paint and it is fun, if you wear the goggles it doesnt even hurt. and if you think it teaches bad safety, it can but only to small children.


I play both, and would much rather get hit by an airsoft pellet than a paintball. Airsoft stings for a bit, maybe draws a little blood (no more than I do when I test for glucose), and might leave a welt. Paintballs got a LOT more mass to them, coming out at the same speed. They leave a MUCH bigger bruise. I like taking head hits with paintballs, as the mask takes the hit and not me.

As for idiots playing in public, or shooting bystanders, they are dumb. But no more cause for legislation against airsoft than gangbangers shooting rival members with real guns should call for legislation against real guns.

As for shooting people with airsoft guns, if the kid can't tell the difference between an airsoft gun and a real gun, they shouldn't be playing. But most kids can.

DontBurnMyFlag
December 31, 2005, 06:24 PM
my little neighbors were playing airsoft today. i brought out my "saturday night special" .25 auto airsoft gun and had a battle. harmless fun.

bigun15
December 31, 2005, 08:01 PM
Yeah airsoft hurts, but for people around my age (15) it's the best we can do. We can't just go get a real gun, ammo, and go to the range. For me, I can't do any of that. In California I can't get a gun for another 2 1/4 years. So until then, airsoft it is. Yeah I have the battles and yeah there is a right way to do it. Just some people don't do it right, just like real guns. Does that mean airsoft manufacturing companies should be shut down? That is for you to decide, but I say no. Maybe they're not as good as real guns but they're the best I've got access to and you can shoot them in a house for target practice or something like that. They're nice collectibles too. But don't make it sound like it's exactly the same as a real gun. When I go hunting with my dad I don't load up the 12 gauge, ask my dad if he wants to play and shoot him. WE KNOW THE DIFFERENCE.

Children should always be assumed to be irresponsible until proven otherwise.
Who is to say adults shouldn't be treated the same way? We've seen and heard what some of you do. Not much better. Worse if you ask me.

280PLUS
December 31, 2005, 10:55 PM
Here I go. Gettin' my butt chewed out by a 15 yo again...

:neener:

HD
January 1, 2006, 09:57 PM
local pukes? have airsoft battles? ...


most automatic electrical guns (full auto airsofts) have about 300fps. A lot of people actually have MilSim airsoft battles and tournaments, like paintball, did you know that?

i do repairs/upgrades for a friend who has an airsoft store...
hopup kits are available for the highend guns...
600-900 fps with .20gram is easily attainable...

f4t9r
January 2, 2006, 12:38 AM
can not imagine shooting someone when I was 8 , It is a fact that my Mom would make sure that did not happen again. Parents just do not handle things the way they did back then, I think we need to go back in time when it comes to raising kids.

eab
January 2, 2006, 02:06 AM
Than my parents must have been horrible :rolleyes:

Lets see, around when I was 8 or 9, my two younger brothers (7, and 5) and I all got six shooter rubber band guns. The package says do not shoot at people, what was the first thing we did? We shot each other..... That was in addition to the large armory of dart guns, nerf guns, water guns, and disk shooters we all had. When I was 9 I got a Crossman 76 bb gun. There were VERY strict rules about that. It was a gun and to be treated as one. We learned very early about treating REAL guns as REAL. .22s, bb guns, and even our small compound bow.

However all toy guns, any brother or friend was fare game at any time. However you NEVER shot parents. Don't know what would have happened if we did. It just never happened.

Oh and now 10 years later my 5 year old brother from China is following in are foot steps and has a head start with all of our toy guns. He is just capable enough right now to load up the six shooter rubber band guns and shoot us. Last year he had are full auto foam disk shooters. And is just vicious sword fighter ;)

edited for grammer and spelling.....

ka50
January 2, 2006, 03:19 AM
i do repairs/upgrades for a friend who has an airsoft store...
hopup kits are available for the highend guns...
600-900 fps with .20gram is easily attainable...

Hopup does not increase velocity.

Spiggy
January 2, 2006, 04:58 AM
I've taken point blank with these things, they dont hurt as much as paintball guns... especially when paint ruins perfectly well maintained gear *Cough* OP: Last Conquest *Cough*

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v614/Spiggys_pics/IMG_00065.jpg
300fps with a .29(considerably weak for such a rifle), looks amazingly realistic until you realize the magwell is 4inches off... my field's general engagement distance for a sniper rifle is approx 100ft+ and power limit on bolt action is 500 w/ .2 (highly inaccurate measurement) I tend to go by the 2.3j energy measurement with .29g ammo

2 of Armotech's newest paintball guns. Nah, don't look anything like real guns at all do they.......
:barf: Throw a hopper on, it'll kill your daydreaming

I've heard of people polishing down glass marbles untill they fit into their paintball gun. That would make them Darn near lethal.

hearsay, havent seen it, first time I heard of it.... and very funny to me; However I've seen a dumb kid cut himself with a real kabar on a plastic m16

DevLcL
January 2, 2006, 05:48 AM
Than my parents must of been horrible :rolleyes:

Lets see, around when I was 8 or 9 me, and my two younger brothers (7, and 5) all got six shooter rubber band guns. The package says, do not shoot at people,what was the first thing we did? We shot each other..... That was in adation to the large armory of dart guns, nerf guns, water guns, and disk shooters we all had. However when I was 9 I got a crossman 76 bb gun. There were VERY strict rules about that. It was a gun and to be treated as one. We learned very early about treating REAL guns as REAL. .22s, bb guns, and even our small compound bow.

However all toy guns, any brother or friend was fare game at any time. However you NEVER shot parents. Don't know what would have happend if we did. It just never happened.

Oh and now 10 years later my 5 year old brother from China is following in are foot steps and has a head start with all of our toy guns. He is just cabable enough right now to load up the six shooter rubber band guns and shoot us. Last year he had are full auto foam disk shooters. And is just vicious sword fighter ;)

Interresting point, however I found it hard to read. I'm not very anal about this sort of thing but you really copped that one up. :neener:

I know this is completely off topic, and I apologize, but I think we all know the importance of grammar. Especially in the respect department.

*edit* Your post isn't that bad upon second review.

-Dev

govthos
January 2, 2006, 01:00 PM
I bought one of these for my daughters to learn proper gun handling. I opted for an airsoft in stead of a bb gun because it is safer and can be fired in the garage when it's raining (like right now). I have taught them not to point ANY gun at people. Why does it take a bb gun to teach this or any rule about gun safety, an airsoft is a great tool for this instruction. This gun is used only under my supervision, I am teaching them to treat even an airsoft with the respect all guns should receive. They don’t know any different, nor should they. IT IS A GUN!

When I was a local puke (20 years ago) we "played army" with bb guns. Great fun until someone forgot the one pump rule, and my cousin had to have surgery to remove a bb from his hand. We had plenty of instruction on "never point a gun at a person" and DON'T PLAY ARMY WITH YOUR BB GUNS, but we refused to listen. We hid the fact that we were shooting each other with bb guns, until the above incident. Needless to say it was the last time we “played army”. If protecting kids from themselves is important (and it is) then why not find tools that are safer just in case they decide to use their own judgment and not the sage counsel of their parents.

Ares
January 2, 2006, 07:10 PM
I have heard of police officers using Airsoft for practice and training and it seems logical. In many ways good airsoft type guns are better than BB guns for this sort of training. They much more closely mimic the function of a real gun than many BB guns. I.e. replacable magazines etc. in handguns.

Farnham
January 2, 2006, 11:57 PM
If you think an airsoft gun hurts, don't ever stub your toe.

Oh, and the difference between an 8 year old kid and an adult, is that an adult does not use an airsoft gun on anyone not wearing eye protection.

If the kid is bad enough to deserve that, he's bad enough to get a beating. If his parents object, they deserve a beating.

S/F

Farnham

rocky
January 3, 2006, 12:06 AM
I use cheap airsoft for indoor practice, Force on force training and to teach my kids goo gun safety. I would much rather they fire a less lethal/injuring plastic bb than a steel bb. Its all in the application and supervision. My kids have to follow all gun safety rules and have safety glasses on to get to shoot em at all.

HD
January 3, 2006, 12:07 AM
Hopup does not increase velocity.

i know that , but the term has a dual useage here in kali... means spinup and powerup as well...

Ares
January 3, 2006, 04:55 PM
If you think an airsoft gun hurts, don't ever stub your toe.

Well... that hurts too. There are different levels of airsoft guns too, from $2 garbage things to $200 nice ones. Some do indeed carry a bit of a sting.

Oh, and the difference between an 8 year old kid and an adult, is that an adult does not use an airsoft gun on anyone not wearing eye protection.

Well a responsible adult doesn't. Unfortunately there are too many adults out there who are not and frankly should not have children. Whether or not they give them airsoft guns.

If the kid is bad enough to deserve that, he's bad enough to get a beating. If his parents object, they deserve a beating.

While I tend to agree with your sentiment here that really is the parents job. In the world we live in if the parents object they have another term for that "Assault and Battery on a Child" and frankly I am not going to risk loosing my Carry Permit or even my right to own a firearm over someone’s out of control kids. It sucks but this is the world we live in and you know you'd be made out to be a child beater by the press and the DA. Even if the kid desperately needed a beating.

exoduster18
January 3, 2006, 05:06 PM
I remember when I wanted to test the "ouch" factor of an Airsoft gun out. They really hurt!! I (literally) shot myself in the foot just to see how much it would hurt. I have a high pain tolerance and I was just about stunned by the amount of pain that one of the little 6mm/.24 caliber, .12g BBs can bring.

mrmeval
January 3, 2006, 05:34 PM
When I was a kid if I'd done that I would probably have been beaten. Not spanked or told to sit in a corner or go with out desert, beaten.

I have been buttstroked unconscience for being unsafe where men were shooting.

What you did might teach him or he'll kill himself or someone else.

We went to my Brother InLaws for Christmas and his 8 year old boy shot me about 6 times in the stomach (it was an auto). TICKED ME OFF I took it from the little puke and unloaded on him. He said ouch that hurts I said it hurt just as bad when he shot me with the ???? thing. (I probably should have just taken it away and givin it to his mom and dad and let them punish the puke)

Kevlarman
January 9, 2006, 12:46 AM
I have been buttstroked unconscience for being unsafe where men were shooting.

Jebus! :what:
Care to expound?

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