i need a powder puff 30-30 load


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dakotasin
December 30, 2005, 07:26 PM
2400 was reccomended to me for a powder puff load for the 30-30, but not only do i have no data for a 150 jacketed light load, i do not have anything for 2400 in the 30-30 at all.

what i need is a very mild load for little girls to shoot. thinking along the lines of 150 grain bullet at 1500 f/s... i am not against cast bullets, but jacketed are far more available to me, so i'd prefer a jacketed bullet load.

any ideas? thanks, fellas.

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The Bushmaster
December 30, 2005, 08:53 PM
Little? How little are the girls? My granddaughter is 13 and shoots my .30-30 with full house loads. She is lucky if she tips the scales at 100 lbs...

dakotasin
December 30, 2005, 08:58 PM
6 years old, 52 pounds...

would be cheaper to be able to take an existing rifle and intro her to a new action type, than it would be to buy yet another 22 (i have no lever 22's)...

pcf
December 30, 2005, 09:24 PM
I never tried reduced recoil 150gr loads, however, the Speer 100gr "plinker" over 17.5grs of W296/H110 is a great low recoil load and has decent accuracy out to 50yds.

Starter52
December 30, 2005, 09:52 PM
10 grains of Red Dot with a 130 or 150 gr. bullet. A light load, but might be too much for a 6-yr-old. My 11-yr-old boy can shoot it without a worry.

Hard to find a hunting rifle that will fit a girl that young.

calaverasslim
December 30, 2005, 10:10 PM
I taught my next door neighbors 7 yr son to shoot the 30wcf using a 150 gr cast in front of 10.5 Unique. About 1550-1600 and virtually no recoil. Works well out to 100yds and very accurate.

MarshallDodge
December 30, 2005, 10:28 PM
Here is a link I found when looking to make light loads for my 03A3(30-06).
Light Loads (http://yarchive.net/gun/ammo/lowpower.html)

The Lyman reloading manual has a lot of data for shooting cast bullets.

Clark
December 31, 2005, 02:47 AM
For extremely wimpy loads, I like cast bullets.
They are harder to get stuck and easier to get un stuck.

For shooting in the basement, try lead balls pushed with just the primer.

Fatelvis
December 31, 2005, 11:22 AM
This is what Hogdon has to add: http://www.hodgdon.com/data/youth/3030win_y.php
Although I like cast bullets over 2400.

Max Velocity
December 31, 2005, 01:20 PM
Have a look at this article:

Universal .30 Caliber Load (http://www.reloadingroom.com/page46.html)

It may work for you.

Max

steve4102
December 31, 2005, 01:27 PM
Blue Dot Range Report: 30/30 Winchester

Case: Remington

Primer: Fed 210

Bullets: Winchester 110 gr RN, Hornady 170 grain FN



110 grain RN:

7grs: 1162 fps 13grs: 1858 fps
8grs: 1266 fps 14grs: 1924 fps
9grs: 1358 fps 15grs: 2087 fps
10grs: 1542 fps 16grs: 2143 fps
11grs: 1706 fps 17grs: 2244 fps
12grs: 1720 fps 18grs: 2322 fps


170 grains Flat Nose

7grs: 1009 fps 12grs: 1473 fps
8grs: 1078 fps 13grs: 1555 fps
9grs: 1153 fps 14grs: 1597 fps
10grs: 1277 fps 15grs: 1685 fps
11grs: 1389 fps


Notes:

1. This is a great youth rifle in 30/30. Recoil is even much lower than factory 30/30 loads.
2. Penetration of an 8 inched diameter pine for a back stop, was penetrated completely thru with a velocity of 1000 fps with the 170 grain bullet and with a velocity of 1200 fps with the 110 grain round nose.

The Bushmaster
December 31, 2005, 01:33 PM
Dakotasin...I have taught a lot of youngens in that age group. I would highly recommend that you use any .22 rifle or pistol to start her out on. It won't matter if it's lever or bolt. Single shot, repeater or semi-auto. I doubt that she can hold a mod 94 or a mod 336 up long enough to get a good sight and if she can it would tire her very soon. Besides if she likes to shoot she will pick up any action as she is able to handle them very quickly. Go slow make it fun for her...And you may have an avid huntress...:)

I would be much afraid that a .30-30 might scare her a bit too much. Has she ever used a BB gun?

Fatelvis
December 31, 2005, 04:42 PM
Oh Ya! I've GOT to try that load! I love playing with light loads that you can shoot in the back yard!

dakotasin
December 31, 2005, 05:43 PM
bushmaster- no, she's never shot a bb gun... i started her out on a single shot 22, and she progressed to the ar-15 this summer (love that collapsible stock). all shooting is, of course, supported (prone) because she doesn't have the strength to hold the rifle up, safely pointed downrange, and expect to hit anything.

she has not made the association w/ larger casings and louder noise. she does associate golf tees and eggs w/ a very good afternoon, though. yeah, its only 25 yards, but she do love the mess eggs make!

Malamute
December 31, 2005, 06:00 PM
I've used 3 grs Unique with a .315" Hornady round ball in 30-30 for a load slightly less noisy than a 22 LR high speed round, and 6 1/2 grs Unique with a 100 gr cast bullet in 30-30. Noisier than the 3 gr load, but still a good small game load, and has better range than the RB load.

I've read in an old NRA loading manual that Red Dot made good extra light loads, and was quieter than the other powders they used. I'm going to try it.

The NRA manual also stated that the ignition was better with rifle primers rather than pistol primers.


Try this also

http://www.shootersforum.com/showthread.htm?t=8531&goto=nextnewest

and this

http://www.gmdr.com/lever/lowveldata.htm

dakotasin
December 31, 2005, 09:22 PM
fellas... thanks for all the input. this should keep me busy for a day or two.

20cows
January 1, 2006, 12:27 AM
I loaded 7 gr. of Red Dot under a 115 gr. cast bullet for my 11 year old son. According to my Chrony, it's going 1500 fps. This is basically a .32-20 load in a 30-30 case.

EBRDude
January 1, 2006, 09:19 PM
I use anywhere from 8 to 10 grains of Blue Dot in my DPMS AP4 .308 with WW cases, and 110gr VMAX bullets with a very firm Lee FCD. It runs from 1000 to 1200fps or so.
No recoil , but they are sometimes dirty because of incomplete burn. They also do not cycle the action. But they are quite fun.
I use Blue Dot because I also load it in my .357SIG and it is just sitting there. :)

Please use caution and watch for lodged bullets if you plan on playing with reduced loads. You cannot take back an accident.

SASS#23149
January 2, 2006, 11:37 AM
We tried our first powder puff loads in the old Marlin.Used 10gr Unique under LaserCast 170gr gc bullet.What a great 50 yard plinker.Very mild to shoot.That marlin was barely moving under recoil.
these would be great in a lighter gun like a Win. model 94 for a youngster.The Lyman book has tons of light loads with various powders.

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