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Justang
December 31, 2005, 02:39 AM
Are there any guns that will be banned this new year in California? I haven't found any. Just wondering if I'm missing something.

If there is one going out... I'll go buy it. :p

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No_Brakes23
December 31, 2005, 02:45 AM
Are there any guns that will be banned this new year in California? I haven't found any. Just wondering if I'm missing something.

If there is one going out... I'll go buy it. :p

Probably the CTR02, STAG ARms, Fulton ARmory FAR-15, and DSArms AR recievers.

Good luck finding one. And if they don't ban them you are stuck with semi-neutered AR.

I thought they were banning all handguns that don't meet the new standards, but apparently the new standards only apply to weapons trying to get on the list. So CZ75s should still be availible in '06, but not stainless ones, like I want.

Justang
December 31, 2005, 03:15 AM
are any of those legal now?

kage genin
December 31, 2005, 09:42 AM
I thought they were banning all handguns that don't meet the new standards, but apparently the new standards only apply to weapons trying to get on the list.

Handguns already on the approved-for-sale list just need to keep paying the state of CA every so often to stay on the list, even though nothing about their design had changed (sounds like a 'protection' money racket, huh?)

But yeah, thanks to Gray Davis' final signatures as governor before we kicked his incompetent behind out, all handguns being added to the list must have a magazine disconnect, manual safety, chamber loaded indicator, and other crap I don't care to remember. Don't remember the exact details... causes uncomfortable rises in blood pressure when reading :fire:

Spreadfire Arms
December 31, 2005, 12:46 PM
i have a pretty extensive waitlist for non-banned AR lowers to ship to CA. i have shipped a few Stags. have more Stags coming and a dozen Ameetec LE - marked lowers inbound.

the hardest part is finding a dealer with some in stock and then a dealer in CA who will be the transfer agent. so far i have a dealer in Ventura, Riverside, Santa Clara, and Cupertino.

Justang
December 31, 2005, 06:07 PM
are these lowers the fixed mag 10rders?

BSlacker
December 31, 2005, 07:59 PM
There is a momentary lapse in the AW laws in California. Certain non named AR-15 type lowers not on a list are being sold. :)

Justang
December 31, 2005, 10:22 PM
Really? I thought the law stated no pistol grips with a detachable mag. Which would be the AR.

Justang
December 31, 2005, 10:28 PM
12276.1 (a) Notwithstanding Section 12276, "assault weapon" shall also mean any of the following:

(1) A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has the capacity to accept a detachable magazine and any one of the following:
(A) A pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon.
(B) A thumbhole stock.
(C) A folding or telescoping stock.
(D) A grenade launcher or flare launcher.
(E) A flash suppressor.
(F) A forward pistol grip.

(2) A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has a fixed magazine with the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds.

(3) A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has an overall length of less than 30 inches.

(4) A semiautomatic pistol that has the capacity to accept a detachable magazine and any one of the following:
(A) A threaded barrel, capable of accepting a flash suppressor, forward handgrip, or silencer.
(B) A second handgrip.
(C) A shroud that is attached to, or partially or completely encircles, the barrel that allows the bearer to fire the weapon without burning his or her hand, except a slide that encloses the barrel.
(D) The capacity to accept a detachable magazine at some location outside of the pistol grip.

(5) A semiautomatic pistol with a fixed magazine that has the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds.

(6) A semiautomatic shotgun that has both of the following:
(A) A folding or telescoping stock.
(B) A pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon, thumbhole stock, or vertical handgrip.

(7) A semiautomatic shotgun that has the ability to accept a detachable magazine.

(8) Any shotgun with a revolving cylinder.

(b) "Assault weapon" does not include any antique firearm.

(c) The following definitions shall apply under this section:
(1) "Magazine" shall mean any ammunition feeding device.
(2) "Capacity to accept more than 10 rounds" shall mean capable of accommodating more than 10 rounds, but shall not be construed to include a feeding device that has been permanently altered so that it cannot accommodate more than 10 rounds.
(3) "Antique firearm" means any firearm manufactured prior to January 1, 1899.

(d) This section shall become operative January 1, 2000.




http://ag.ca.gov/firearms/genchar.htm

BSlacker
January 1, 2006, 03:25 AM
You might want to check a more current source of info. The feature ban is dead. Try Calguns.com. :)

Justang
January 1, 2006, 04:14 AM
when did that happen? I went to the California website and found that information.

BamBam-31
January 1, 2006, 04:20 AM
Dude, check the Calguns website post haste. You'll kick yourself in the ARse forever if you don't. ;)

Lindenberger
January 1, 2006, 04:27 AM
. . . there is no such thing as a gun-grabbing liberal."

They've appropriated the term "liberal" to themselves in perfect Orwellian fashion. Kinda like Arlen Specter or John McCain calling themselves Republicans. Or W. calling himself a Conservative. It's an Orwellian world nowadays. Don't you think that if we had true conservative Republicans running this country not only would the Southern border be hermetically sealed but most anti-RKBA laws would've been repealed?

Justang
January 1, 2006, 04:27 AM
I found this, but... I really didn't get it.

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=25788

Justang
January 1, 2006, 04:36 AM
Dude, check the Calguns website post haste. You'll kick yourself in the ARse forever if you don't. ;)

When can you buy them until? Can I get a lower since it's the new year? if so... I may get a couple. ;)

Sooo exciting if I can get them.
BIG bummer if it's too late.

Lindenberger
January 1, 2006, 04:40 AM
Wow! Gun registration in California! And Schwarzenegger is lettin' it happen? Registration has been historically; is; and shall be 'til the End of Time mere Prelude to Confiscation! And they're actually banning some guns? And Californians are lettin' it happen? Ain't this ironic! Freedom for Iraq--Tyranny for **********! All arms makers should refuse to do business with any ********** governmental organization, period. How about a Million Man March on Sacremento? One million men and women, sworn to uphold the US Constitution? Guns optional.

BamBam-31
January 1, 2006, 05:09 AM
When can you buy them until? Can I get a lower since it's the new year? if so... I may get a couple.

Your guess is as good as mine. From what I've heard, it could be any minute now. CA DOJ will prolly close this loophole by naming the off-list lowers to the list, thereby making them AW's and no longer legal for sale/purchase in Kali. Do it quick, man.

Justang
January 1, 2006, 05:13 AM
I'm gonna. I've been surfing around on calguns finding people to contact. Wonder if they'd do business tomorrow. :p

I'd drive just about any distance.

Sven
January 6, 2006, 04:04 AM
Oh man, is there any way to get one still?????

BamBam-31
January 6, 2006, 05:13 AM
Dude, where have you been. PM me.

B!gDog
January 6, 2006, 09:28 AM
California is a politically incorrect communist state which is violating civil rights on a daily basis. I am a northern California native who got out of the state 3 years ago due to this kind of crap. I now live in Arizona where you can get assault weapons anywhere without any waiting period. Eventually you wont be able to use the restroom in Cali without a permit. :cuss: :cuss: :cuss:

Justang
January 6, 2006, 11:21 AM
Oh man, is there any way to get one still?????

If you hurry. There is supposed to be a meeting at the DOJ today about all this. I'd get one asap.

Black Majik
January 6, 2006, 03:07 PM
I'm in the clear. I got three :D

BamBam-31
January 6, 2006, 03:11 PM
PM sent. Get on it, Sven, POST HASTE!! Good luck, buddy. :)

Black Majik
January 6, 2006, 03:14 PM
Mike, I'm gonna PM you shortly.

Edit: PM sent.

30Cal
January 6, 2006, 03:24 PM
You can buy an off the list AR lower with the intent of building a fixed-magazine rifle (there are several images of letters from CADOJ posted online which grudgingly admitting this).

If the DOJ adds the receiver to the list, then you'll have to register the receiver as an AW--at which point you could do anything you want with it. An AW is an AW regardless of what you add to or subtract from it.

I can't imagine the DOJ not shoring up the breech ASAP. If they leave it open, eventually the story will end up on TV and they'll look like a buncha idiots.

Ty

gearbox
January 6, 2006, 04:06 PM
OK, maybe I'm just confused, but the link provided from calguns.net hasn't helped clear things for me.

If I am reading correctly, it is legal to get a lower with a fixed 10rd mag. The DOJ may illegalize it in the future, in which case it can be registered as an AW at which time "other" truly AW features can be added. True?

I'd really like an M4gery; how do I find out which brands I can get, from whom, and who will act as FFL?

Black Majik
January 6, 2006, 04:28 PM
OK, maybe I'm just confused, but the link provided from calguns.net hasn't helped clear things for me.

If I am reading correctly, it is legal to get a lower with a fixed 10rd mag. The DOJ may illegalize it in the future, in which case it can be registered as an AW at which time "other" truly AW features can be added. True?

I'd really like an M4gery; how do I find out which brands I can get, from whom, and who will act as FFL?

That is correct, but we should concentrate on buying these lowers for the sole purpose of building them into California legal, fixed mag AR's. ;)

There are group buys over on calguns. Try and get in on them... but hurry, time is running out. Its predicted the list will be updated by next week, so try and get a lower as soon as you can, so... you know... you can build a cal legal fix mag AR.... yeah... :uhoh: :D

Sven
January 6, 2006, 05:52 PM
Part of me thinks we should keep this quiet, the other part thinks we should shout about this from the rooftops. I think the former approach is best.

ShootAndHunt
January 6, 2006, 06:27 PM
California is a politically incorrect communist state which is violating civil rights on a daily basis. ...... Eventually you wont be able to use the restroom in Cali without a permit. :cuss: :cuss: :cuss:

:evil: kinda funny.:evil:

Black Majik
January 6, 2006, 08:26 PM
California is a politically incorrect communist state which is violating civil rights on a daily basis. I am a northern California native who got out of the state 3 years ago due to this kind of crap. I now live in Arizona where you can get assault weapons anywhere without any waiting period. Eventually you wont be able to use the restroom in Cali without a permit. :cuss: :cuss: :cuss:

Hmm... you're off to a nice start on this board.... :rolleyes:

Sven,
Whether we keep quiet or yell from our rooftops, it wont make a difference. The DOJ already knows of the activities and have audited FFL's on Wedneday. All we can do and wait to see what their decision is regarding this situation. Any luck in finding yourself any lowers?

gearbox
January 7, 2006, 04:28 AM
That is correct, but we should concentrate on buying these lowers for the sole purpose of building them into California legal, fixed mag AR's. ;)

There are group buys over on calguns. Try and get in on them... but hurry, time is running out. Its predicted the list will be updated by next week, so try and get a lower as soon as you can, so... you know... you can build a cal legal fix mag AR.... yeah... :uhoh: :DDamn, I stumbled onto this late in the game.

Gotcha on the intent ;)

Guess I've got some group buy to look into :)

campbellcj
January 7, 2006, 05:14 AM
I know at a minimum I plan to pick up some flavor of M1A variant this year; plus maybe a Remington 700 based rifle and anything else that may soon be deemed non-PC sometime soon by the politicians here. :(

DevLcL
January 7, 2006, 05:14 AM
I've never bought a gun online or used an FFL so I'm lost with all that. However, I want one too, I've always wanted a fixed mag AR. Where exactly do I go? calguns? Sorry for being such a noob.

Thanks,
-Dev

Justang
January 7, 2006, 05:18 AM
I've never bought a gun online or used an FFL so I'm lost with all that. However, I want one too, I've always wanted a fixed mag AR. Where exactly do I go? calguns? Sorry for being such a noob.

Thanks,
-Dev

yes, try calguns, there are many threads over there where to buy or who to contact to contact getting a lower.

Time is running out.

Justang
January 7, 2006, 05:19 AM
I know at a minimum I plan to pick up some flavor of M1A variant this year; plus maybe a Remington 700 based rifle and anything else that may soon be deemed non-PC sometime soon by the politicians here. :(

Why do you think these two guns will be deemed "non-PC?"

Black Majik
January 7, 2006, 07:55 AM
I know at a minimum I plan to pick up some flavor of M1A variant this year; plus maybe a Remington 700 based rifle and anything else that may soon be deemed non-PC sometime soon by the politicians here. :(

Just because one has a detachable magazine and the other is deemed as a sniper rifle to the blissninnies doesn't mean it'll be banned anytime soon. Maybe later on down the road as the JBT try and ban any all all centerfire rifles one at a time, but we got time. Get in on the AR bandwagon as soon as you can! The Socal FFL I know of ends selling lowers tomorrow! (saturday). PM me Saturday morning if your still interested and I'll give you more info.

I've never bought a gun online or used an FFL so I'm lost with all that. However, I want one too, I've always wanted a fixed mag AR. Where exactly do I go? calguns? Sorry for being such a noob.

Thanks,
-Dev

Dev,

Same goes for you, PM me tomorrow morning if you're serious of getting a AR lower, with the "intent" of making a fix mag AR, and I'll let you know where you can get a lower if you reside in Socal. Remeber, for us Californians, this maybe the opportunity of a lifetime... sadly....

Gearbox, you too.

Everyone should get the opportunity to get on this. Remember, its not a loophole, were doing things LEGALLY. Don't give up on this! :)

BamBam-31
January 7, 2006, 10:31 PM
You go, Rich! Gather up all these wayward Californians and lead them to the Promised Land! :D

DevLcL
January 10, 2006, 05:34 AM
Dude, check the Calguns website post haste. You'll kick yourself in the ARse forever if you don't. ;)

Done. Please tell a loved one to give you a kiss for me. :D

You too Justang.


Dev,

Same goes for you, PM me tomorrow morning if you're serious of getting a AR lower, with the "intent" of making a fix mag AR, and I'll let you know where you can get a lower if you reside in Socal. Remeber, for us Californians, this maybe the opportunity of a lifetime... sadly....

Thanks for the offer (sorry for the late reply) but I actually did a little of my own work and managed to get my hands on some new, well, you know. :D :D

Thanks again to everyone who mentioned anything that helped me, now where to get this.... "fixed mag" ;)

-Dev

marklbucla
January 10, 2006, 11:23 PM
The M1A and the Mini-14 were on the chopping block in AWB II, but I guess nothing happened with that proposed bill or whatever. They opened it up to "Battle Rifles" as well.

But I'd still go for anything semi-automatic if I were still in **********.

And swinging it back to SB489, just be glad it changed before it went into effect. The originally chartered bill said that NONE could be sold retail on 1/1/06 without at least one feature. I freaked out and started buying handguns faster than I could receive them. This was me when I read the 2005 DOJ Gun Law Epic showing that the law had changed.

Justang
January 11, 2006, 01:01 AM
I have the Kel-Tec SU16, but may still buy a Mini14. The Kel-Tec is a very nice polymer gun. But the Ruger stocks are so pretty!

I will be getting an M1A and a Garand!

cap808
January 23, 2006, 04:56 PM
Am I too late to get in on this?

atek3
January 23, 2006, 09:39 PM
For real... THR is not the place to ask!

Go over to calguns, click legal forum, then click, "california legal self loading 223 rifle" sub-forum"

do it.

atek3

Justang
January 24, 2006, 12:46 PM
No, you aren't too late. The DOJ could act anyday, so I'd act as if today was the last day and get out there and find a lower.

Black Majik
January 24, 2006, 04:54 PM
Am I too late to get in on this?


For real... THR is not the place to ask!

Go over to calguns, click legal forum, then click, "california legal self loading 223 rifle" sub-forum"

do it.

atek3


Real quick, I just wanted to add that you should read the AR AK FAQ on the top of the page before asking any questions. The regulars there get tired of answering the same questions over and over again.

The search button and FAQ will be your friend.

Good luck in your endeavor! :D

Kevlarman
January 24, 2006, 05:03 PM
The DOJ could act anyday, so I'd act as if today was the last day and get out there and find a lower.


We've been hearing that for the past couple of weeks already. :D
I've got one for me, one for my dad (to give to me bro :evil: ), and one spare that I shall vacuum pack and stick in the safe. hehe

Justang
January 25, 2006, 01:57 AM
We've been hearing that for the past couple of weeks already. :D
I've got one for me, one for my dad (to give to me bro :evil: ), and one spare that I shall vacuum pack and stick in the safe. hehe

Exactly. So now is the time to act. They know about it, they intend to do something about it. But we don't know when. It could be tomorrow, or it could be 3 months from now. Only the DOJ knows.

nickey
July 17, 2006, 12:24 AM
I live in CA, an am wanting to purchase something similar to an AR-15. Is there anything that is being sold legal in CA that is similar and comparable?? Also, is the H&K 308 banned in CA? Thanks.

atek3
July 17, 2006, 12:28 AM
hey nickey, the situation in the PRK is too complicated for a small post. Go over to calguns.net and use the search engine, they'll sort you out. I can briefly summarize:

AR-15's are banned by name. You can get an AR-15 "Like" rifle one of two ways. Get a rifle that has a non-detachable 10 round magazine such as the FAB-10. The downside is that you have to unhinge the upper to reload the gun. Good for a bench queen or varmint rifle, not for defense.

A new company is coming out with a pistolgrip-less AR-15. It allows you to use detachable mags, but still sucks... a lot. Since high-cap mags are banned, you're limited to shooting 10 rounders... lame.

Mini-14's and Kel-Tec SU-16's are both legal if you HAVE to have a 223 semi-auto carbine. M1A's are a good choice if you want a 308. H&K 308 is banned. My advice is stick to bolt guns until you leave the PRK.

atek3

marklbucla
July 17, 2006, 12:29 AM
Go to www.calguns.net and then click on the forum. Once inside, go to the Gun Rights Legal Discussion and then click on the off list rifle discussion. You'll find all your answers in the FAQs.

JohnKSa
July 17, 2006, 01:13 AM
This year, the Beretta 90-Two was banned by default since Beretta has chosen not to jump through all the hoops to get it approved in CA.

Librarian
July 17, 2006, 01:55 AM
According to the CADOJ (http://certguns.doj.ca.gov/), most of the Beretta 92 models may drop off the list as of December, 2006. I'd be surprised if Beretta abandons the CA market, but perhaps California has abandoned Beretta? as of 2007, any semi-auto handgun must have a loaded chamber indicator AND a magazine disconnect to be added to the 'roster'. The 90-Two (http://www.beretta90two.com/index.aspx) has the loaded chamber indicator, but the manual does not seem to mention the mag disconnect.

If it is in process of being 'approved' now, the mag disconnect is a non-issue; once on the 'roster' an approved weapon can stay there.

AJAX22
July 17, 2006, 02:50 AM
Ok... yet another thing that won't make sense, the pistol is good enough, reliable enough, and safe enough for the army to cary them into combat.

but heavan forbid we let regular guys get them.

GAH I need to get out of california.

but I did run out and get my AR so with a little luck I'm contributing to making some polititians sleep poorly tonite.

8040Cougar
July 17, 2006, 08:28 AM
"(C) A shroud that is attached to, or partially or completely encircles, the barrel that allows the bearer to fire the weapon without burning his or her hand, except a slide that encloses the barrel. " :confused:
"plus maybe a Remington 700 based rifle and anything else that may soon be deemed non-PC sometime soon by the politicians here. ":what: Remington 700 lol. Soon it'll be 94's and SAA's:neener:

Leanwolf
July 17, 2006, 07:04 PM
After living in Calif. for 35 years and being very active in fighting in the political battles, ( and losing most of them) I can assure you, one of these days, the communistnazis who control the political scene, the Media including the entertainment business, and certain businessmen/women and industrialists, will outlaw ALL firearms for the worker peasants.

Of course, there will be exceptions. (There always are exceptions to Draconian laws, aren't there?) The gun ban laws will not effect the Megamillionaire Marxists and Billionaire Bolsheviks, and/or their very expensive and very well armed bodyguards.

(The worker peasants can eat cake, can't they??)

That's just the way of things.

L.W.

FTF
July 17, 2006, 08:38 PM
So CZ75s should still be availible in '06, but not stainless ones, like I want.

It's the same mechanically, just a different fit and finish. They won't deny you one... will they? :confused:

atek3
July 17, 2006, 08:44 PM
of course they will. If you make a pistol with 3 barrel lengths, 3 caliber choices, and three sight configurations and two finish choices, you have to send fifty four different handguns to the Cal DOJ for "testing" to insure they are all "safe".

atek3

No_Brakes23
July 18, 2006, 02:12 AM
It's the same mechanically, just a different fit and finish. They won't deny you one... will they? Yup, in fact I can't even get a hard-chromed CZ-52 unless I get a C&R FFL, and even then it is iffy.

I don't care anymore, I am leaving the PRK.

atek3
July 18, 2006, 02:14 AM
good for you. Where are you moving?

No_Brakes23
July 18, 2006, 02:29 AM
Seattle/Everett area. Got a few Marine Corps buddies from there, and just visited them to check it out. I will miss some SoCal things, (Year round motorcycling, In-n-Out, friends and family, San Diego canyon riding, etc) but my new AR/FAL/AKs, CCW, and cheaper rent will make up for that, I bet.

atek3
July 18, 2006, 03:27 AM
"Seattle/Everett area. Got a few Marine Corps buddies from there, and just visited them to check it out. I will miss some SoCal things, (Year round motorcycling, In-n-Out, friends and family, San Diego canyon riding, etc) but my new AR/FAL/AKs, CCW, and cheaper rent will make up for that, I bet."

Same situation for me except I'm moving to the Hanover, NH area for grad school. I will miss some NorCal stuff, (year round motorcycling, In-n-out, friends, great mountain roads, fantastic competitive shooting) but my new AR/ Class III/ Suppressors, CCW, and lower taxes will make up for that I bet.

atek3

bigun15
July 18, 2006, 04:49 AM
I live in CA, an am wanting to purchase something similar to an AR-15. Is there anything that is being sold legal in CA that is similar and comparable?? Also, is the H&K 308 banned in CA? Thanks.

Allow me to help you out:
http://caag.state.ca.us/firearms/forms/pdf/awguide.pdf

Everything you see on those pages are banned. But don't worry, the list will grow.

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