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Lord Grey Boots
April 7, 2003, 06:43 PM
Has anyone else seen the video the Brits around Basra taking a missile shot at an Iraqi tank across a lake or river?

The missile skips off the water and center punches the tank, low and hard.


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Greybeard
April 7, 2003, 06:51 PM
Did not see it. (Wish I had.) But, i think I read about it on the old errornet ... somewhere. :confused: :)

Blackhawk
April 7, 2003, 07:16 PM
Saw it about 5 times. Very cool! :cool:

However, I have no idea what was going on there.... :confused:

Blackhawk
April 7, 2003, 07:19 PM
BTW, that was shown on Fox News....

Peter Gun
April 7, 2003, 07:21 PM
did it actually skip, or was it just that the normal "drop" of the missile leaving the launcher brought it close to the surface before it accelerated? Anyone w/ a link?

Blackhawk
April 7, 2003, 07:24 PM
It really did skip. It flew horizontally most of the way, then it descended, hit the water near the far shore with a splash, then bounced right into the target. I was astounded!

dinosaur
April 7, 2003, 07:41 PM
I saw it. Nice shot, I guess. :confused:

HerbG
April 7, 2003, 07:48 PM
It was hard to judge the range to the tank, but it must have been at least 400m. The missle appeared to hit the ground/water about 50 m. in front of the tank before impacting. I think the operator was extremely lucky to get a hit!

hksw
April 7, 2003, 07:53 PM
Yeah, saw that thing a few times already. What was really funny was when the missile almost hit that dang bird. Cracks me up every time I see it.

Unisaw
April 7, 2003, 08:00 PM
Yeah, I saw it, althought it wasn't until the 2nd or 3rd time watching that I was sure that was what had happened. It was a great clip.

Braz
April 7, 2003, 08:10 PM
Sharp eyes LGB,

I noticed that but didn't believe it until the forth viewing.

QuickDraw
April 7, 2003, 08:28 PM
Does anybody have a link?

QuickDraw

635 PCSO
April 7, 2003, 08:28 PM
Actually we were discussing this last night at the SO. The water is actually being kicked up by the escaping gases from the rocket. I thought it bounced as well, but I was corrected by a military "guy".

JerryN
April 7, 2003, 08:38 PM
We really need to see it in slow-mo. It sure looks like a skip on FoxNews.

Skipping a round off the "ground" is sometimes a good tactical decision. You can, for example, poke your shotgun around a corner and glance a round of buckshot off the ground and take out a BGs ankles. Works hella good. The shot will rise off the ground and hang about a foot off the surface, depending on angle of incidence.

JimP
April 7, 2003, 09:25 PM
Not sure it was water - looked more like mirage off the ground due to distance. Water and wire-guided missiles don't mix. For that reason, you have t have a certain height advantage over the body of water to even attempt the shot. If it truly "skipped" off the water, I seriously doubt that it could have been under guidance from the command unit.

Waitone
April 7, 2003, 09:32 PM
I saw it and immediately thought it to be a bounce shot.

Then I remembered the video of the bomb taking out a vehicle hidden under a highway bridge. My first impression of that event was the bomb skipped off the road and into the vehicle.

CAP
April 7, 2003, 09:37 PM
I thought it was a skip too the 1st 2-3 times I saw it. I think it is actually the rocket exhaust stirring up the shallow water in front of the target just before impact. I think depth perception made it look like the target was closer to the H2O than it really was.

My take on it.
It was a cool video though.

Darn fine shot either way.

UnknownSailor
April 7, 2003, 10:24 PM
I remember that clip. It's a Swingfire, IIRC, launched from that armored vehicle that the British have. I sure as hell thought it skipped; it most definitely appeared to change direction. No secondary from the tank, however.

Blackhawk
April 7, 2003, 11:53 PM
The water is actually being kicked up by the escaping gases from the rocket. I thought it bounced as well, but I was corrected by a military "guy".That's a lot more believable than what my eyes "saw" ...! :cool:

Gary H
April 8, 2003, 12:10 AM
I think that the shot was more like 1600+ meters and the skip was an optical illusion. I base my estimate of distance on the time to target. Rather long time spent on course before waking up the tank crew. The telephoto lens may have foreshortened the perspective. Cool shot.

Dannyboy
April 8, 2003, 03:32 AM
I think it was a Swingfire missile from a British Striker. I really think that thing skipped off the water. The missile dips down and then goes up the berm on the other side before impacting.

CWL
April 8, 2003, 04:14 AM
Was it wire-guided?

I can't believe that any other type of portable missle would still be on target after hitting water.

blackhawk2000
April 8, 2003, 10:00 AM
For the record I thought it skipped too. Only saw it once.

buzz_knox
April 8, 2003, 10:12 AM
It was a Swingfire, a British wire-guided missile, their counterpart to the TOW. I thought it skipped as well when I saw it. There was a bigger splash than I'd have expected from the propellant gasses.

COHIBA
April 8, 2003, 10:29 AM
i thought it skipped, too.
my first impression was that the heat mirage caused the rocket guidance to hit low and the bounce was just pure luck.
however it breaks that was as cool as it gets in war coverage. the only thing cooler would be heraldo riding a MOAB like slim pickens.

Blackhawk
April 8, 2003, 10:32 AM
Another thing that made me think it was a skip instead of exhaust gasses was the way the water went up to the sides instead of to the rear.

It's one of those situations whether I'm going to believe my lyin' eyes or something else. :D

Gewehr98
April 8, 2003, 10:57 AM
Searching Fox News didn't kick it up, how about it, anybody still have a link?

Leatherneck
April 8, 2003, 11:40 AM
I saw the video on Fox, and it appeared to skip. I thought it was a TOW.

BTW, I saw a video some years ago of an Israeli Cobra shoot a TOW at a Syrian (?) tank that disappeared behind a hill just after launch. The TOW gunner was so good he flew the missile around the bend and killed the tank while it was completely masked by the terrain. Amazing shot :D

TC
TFL Survivor

Bravo11
April 8, 2003, 12:27 PM
I saw that clip too.
I was wondering if anyone else caught the skip shot.
I was thinking that was a miracle shot--lucky gunner.
Sure would like to see a link and view that again.

VOD
April 8, 2003, 07:11 PM
Saw it several times. I'm still split in my feelings about it. Was the shooter a klutz that needed a couple extra trips to the range or was he bored and trying to make it interesting?

El Rojo
April 8, 2003, 07:20 PM
When is someone going to get us a link?

Blackhawk
April 8, 2003, 07:29 PM
There's no telling who owns the video. Since it was presumably a Brit missile, Sky News may have taped it then shared it with Fox News. Anybody checked the Sky News site? (Is there a Sky News site?)

Preacherman
April 8, 2003, 08:22 PM
Sky News site: http://www.sky.com/skynews/home.

Blackhawk
April 8, 2003, 08:34 PM
Thanks, Preacherman.

I checked out all the polls they have on that site. They're well done, and I'm sure glad I live here instead of there. :D

Warner
April 8, 2003, 08:45 PM
Right after he saw it, one high-ranking analyst (ex US General ?) on FOX news said something to the effect that the missile caught the tank on a "ricochet".

The distance looked to be about 400-500 meters to me also.

Blackhawk
April 8, 2003, 10:03 PM
Found a video link on Sky News about the Brits taking Basra on the 6th that I thought might have the clip, but I couldn't get it to play. :(

Preacherman
April 8, 2003, 11:12 PM
Got it! This is the link: http://www.sky.com/shared/videoasx/1,,p2_20030406mn-31200-bb,00.asx. It plays in Windows Media Player. The missile sequence starts 2 minutes and 18 seconds into the clip, which is 6m.32sec. long in all. Enjoy!

Blackhawk
April 8, 2003, 11:25 PM
Thanks again, Preacherman! You are Da Man!

Unfortunately, I still can't get it to play, even with the latest Windows Media Player.

But I've got the link, and a solution will be forthcoming, I'm sure! :D

Camel
April 8, 2003, 11:43 PM
Is it possible that the gunner was aiming for a shot into the tracks and ended up a little low?

El Rojo
April 8, 2003, 11:51 PM
Thanks Preacherman, but I can't see it either. It isn't loading up. Says it is an invalid or corrupt file. :banghead:

I figured it out!!!

Save the file where you can find it on your hard drive. Then change the file name extension. It should be .asx not .asf. Do that and it will work fine. Good luck.

It sure is hard to tell, that was pretty cool nonetheless.

10-Ring
April 9, 2003, 12:21 AM
Yeah, was very cool, show offs is right! :cool: I guess nows a good time for the Brits to try out some of their toys too :D Good to see they've done such a good job in Basra!

Blackhawk
April 9, 2003, 12:50 AM
Got it to play!

At Preacherman's suggestion, I reinstalled WMP. First I had to uninstall it to get the installation to work. Now it plays just by clicking the link.

It was a skip....

boing
April 9, 2003, 01:01 AM
I hope you meant WMP...

Blackhawk
April 9, 2003, 01:05 AM
Ha! I did. But it is a Windows Media Destroyer, sometimes.... :D

boing
April 9, 2003, 04:41 AM
:D

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