Bakersfield, Calif. shootings


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Hot brass
January 1, 2006, 02:27 PM
We have a gang problem here in B`town. Last week inside the local mall some gangbangers met and had words. One pulled a gun and shot the other in the chest and killed him. Cops found a gun (not working) on one of the gangmembers, found a gun in the parking lot that had been tossed. No one went to jail. Got names, let them go. Drive by shootings, stabbings ( guy dragged out of his house window and stabbed, "wrong guy sorry" ). Guy coming out of a house and 4 nut jobs open up on him with gun fire. Last night a guy was walking down the street and was jumped and stabbed, died.

It is getting worse not better.

100 miles north of here in Fresno the local LEO don`t play with the gangbangers. If you are a gb and are in the company of another gb you go to jail.

Something has to be done, and quick or these parasites will destroy what we call home.

Had to rant.:banghead:

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Ala Dan
January 1, 2006, 02:35 PM
May GOD BLESS you my friend, and keep you safe. However, it is just not a
Bakersfield, CA problem; as we have that same type of gang activity right
here in The Heart Of Old' DixieLand.:uhoh: Most of the time, when one dials
911 to report gunfire the local LEO's run the other way~!:eek:

Old Fuff
January 1, 2006, 02:40 PM
Sounds like the good people should be getting on the local government's butt. Time for everybody to start sending e-mails and making phone calls... :cuss:

Also envolve the media... :evil:

Folks don't want to do anything??? Then maybe it's time to consider a move. If push comes to shove with a thug you may not have an option.

Standing Wolf
January 1, 2006, 07:28 PM
It is getting worse not better.

Well, yeah, but they're just doing jobs Americans don't want to do.

carebear
January 1, 2006, 07:35 PM
Went through my HRST Master training with a couple Fresno SWAT guys who were gonna train their teams on rope work as part of their skill set.

They had some hair-raising stories and some that are funny, some that were both. Apparently you can pin a guys face to his dashboard with an M4 muzzle so hard (because he reached for a gun under the seat after a felony stop) that the skin is still indented and red (like a tattoo) a week later in front of a judge.

Phyphor
January 1, 2006, 10:27 PM
We have a gang problem here in B`town. Last week inside the local mall some gangbangers met and had words. One pulled a gun and shot the other in the chest and killed him. Cops found a gun (not working) on one of the gangmembers, found a gun in the parking lot that had been tossed. No one went to jail. Got names, let them go. Drive by shootings, stabbings ( guy dragged out of his house window and stabbed, "wrong guy sorry" ). Guy coming out of a house and 4 nut jobs open up on him with gun fire. Last night a guy was walking down the street and was jumped and stabbed, died.

It is getting worse not better.

100 miles north of here in Fresno the local LEO don`t play with the gangbangers. If you are a gb and are in the company of another gb you go to jail.

Something has to be done, and quick or these parasites will destroy what we call home.

Had to rant.:banghead:

Of course not. Fresno *HAS* to crack down on the gangbangers simply because Fresno was being turned into a hellhole in short order. It's a pity Tulare PD wouldn't kick some gangsta ass around here, but I guess budget restrictions keep them from doing anything special.... :barf:

Pilgrim
January 1, 2006, 10:31 PM
*hmph*

gbran
January 1, 2006, 10:42 PM
Too many parks and other public places here in B-Town are no longer safe for families due to gangsters. The main mall in town is also a gang hangout now. The only redeeming thing about Bakersfield is that the sheriff hands out CCW's like candy.

loose cannon
January 1, 2006, 10:50 PM
so get more people to enjoy the "candy".pack always and when they try to plug you plug them first.repeat as needed.

where im from we kill our snakes and then we call the sheriff to clean them up.

No_Brakes23
January 2, 2006, 12:03 AM
I am all for the increase of CCW.

That beats the hell out of cops violating the constitutional rights of people to peaceably assemble. Cops down here in San Diego are throwing political enemies in jail using that B.S. Civil Gang Injunction, and using it as a method to clear neighborhoods for development.

Dwayne Russell
January 2, 2006, 01:49 AM
Your problem is your Law Enforcement team. They clearly are not doing their job. Perhaps you and a few hundred of your friends might make a surprise visit to the next city council meeting and let them know that their jobs as well as the Sheriff's is on the line.

Kern County’s Board of Supervisors Website is located at

http://www.co.kern.ca.us/bos/

Mack Wimbish is Kern County’s Sheriff. He has a website too at

http://www.co.kern.ca.us/sheriff/

You need to put pressure on these people to do their job. If not you need to campaign to get them removed from office. Don’t be afraid to go the newspaper and tell the story. Believe it or not they can be a great asset. Front pages lines about citizens taking back their community sells newspapers. It also serves notice to law enforcement agencies and politicians who do not like bad press.

Our neighborhood is relative safe and it's because nobody in our neighborhood will allow that kind of garbage. We write letters, have community awareness meetings, and everyone here is armed. It takes a campaign from everyone.

You can be the catalyst for change.

txgho1911
January 2, 2006, 10:04 AM
Maybe a designated shooter with a zeroed CA legal EBR on every other block. Take turns babysitting the park from a tree stand. Maybe get the BPD involved with the first shift.
I think I have found 2 doz references to community policing in this or another form in the last 2 weeks.

entropy
January 2, 2006, 12:14 PM
The solution to the gang problem is rather simple. The U.S. Army perfected the technique during the Indian Wars in the late 1860s and 1870s.


I'm curious. Please explain.

No_Brakes23
January 2, 2006, 12:24 PM
Maybe a designated shooter with a zeroed CA legal EBR on every other block. Take turns babysitting the park from a tree stand. Maybe get the BPD involved with the first shift.
I think I have found 2 doz references to community policing in this or another form in the last 2 weeks. Ahhh, if only we could do that...

I'm curious. Please explain. Yeah, me too. I guess Pilgrim's answer is genocide. Too bad that would just make white criminals, (The meth trade ain't just gonna dry up.) Maybe I misunderstood Pilgrim's vague comment.

Pilgrim
January 2, 2006, 12:31 PM
You need to put pressure on these people to do their job. If not you need to campaign to get them removed from office. Don’t be afraid to go the newspaper and tell the story. Believe it or not they can be a great asset. Front pages lines about citizens taking back their community sells newspapers. It also serves notice to law enforcement agencies and politicians who do not like bad press.
A program that works well in cleaning up neighborhoods is the Crime Free Mulit-Housing Program. (http://www.tempe.gov/cpu/cfmh.htm) The Bakersfield Police Department (http://www.bakersfieldcity.us/police/brochures/CityoBakocrimefreeBR.pdf) appears to have a program in place. I can't tell if the Sheriff is on board.

You might want to ask questions about whether the Bakersfield PD CFMH unit has the full support and funding from the Chief. You may also want to ask why the Sheriff doesn't seem to be on board with CFMH.

California also has in place public law that permits neighborhood residents to sue in small claims court the owner/landlord of a rental property who tolerate criminal and disruptive activity in the rental property.

Pilgrim

Pilgrim
January 2, 2006, 01:04 PM
Maybe I misunderstood Pilgrim's vague comment.
It was tongue in cheek, but there were some parts of the strategy that would work today. The U.S. Army found that they couldn't engage the Indians in decisive battle. They did find they could deprive the Indians of food, shelter, and refuge, and thus force their submission to the U.S. government's policy towards the Indians.

Instead of granting the Indian tribes their winter refuge, the U.S. Army started conducting winter campaigns which kept the Indian tribes on the run. Whenever an Indian village was encountered, the Army troops burned the housing and food stocks of the Indians, plus they killed the Indians' horses. Faced with starvation and freezing to death, the Indians submitted to the U.S. government.

My post on Crime Free Mutit-Housing programs can address the housing and shelter issue of the gang bangers. The bangers don't live in cardboard boxes in the parks and under freeway overpasses. They go home to houses and apartment complexes. CFMH encourages and enables property owners and landlords to screen their prospective tenants to weed out potential problems before they happen, and to actively get rid of criminal and disruptive occupants. The goal is safe and secure housing for the tenants.

Likewise, in the case of single unit rentals, neighbors can sue the owner/landlord if he rents to criminal or disruptive persons who affect the safety and peace of the neighborhood.

As far as the starvation tactic goes, there was a criminal family who lived in the town where I worked when I was a deputy sheriff. There were four criminal sons, 'bangers', who lived with their mother. When the human services office went after the mother for welfare fraud, she couldn't afford to feed her worthless sons. They lost their secure place of shelter and refuge.

Today, the 'bangers' don't have horses but they do have automobiles. Strict enforcement of the vehicle code and other statutes will eventually deprive them of their transportation.

Another strategy is an aggressive probation department who keeps tight control on 'bangers' who are on probation. Probation searches which do not require a warrant or probable cause keep the 'bangers' on their toes. Invariably they screw up and go back to jail, and in many cases end up with additional charges to keep them there longer.

The whole point of the strategy is to keep after them. You don't stop just because they are quiet. You keep after them until they leave town.

Pilgrim

natedog
January 2, 2006, 01:47 PM
From what I understand, the Valley Plaza Mall shooting was between a gang member and an ordinary guy who got into a dispute with the gang member.

Old Fuff
January 2, 2006, 02:12 PM
Pilgrim is right:


The whole point of the strategy is to keep after them. You don't stop just because they are quiet. You keep after them until they leave town.
The cities, towns and other places that have a gang problem have it because the people who live there, and the government they elect, tolerate the problem and accept it. When, and only when they don’t, will the problem end, left-wing Democrats’ excuses not withstanding.

No matter where they live, people get the government they deserve. If one lives in or near a gang-infested area and the government won’t do something about it they must either live with the situation… or move.

Joe45acp
January 2, 2006, 02:26 PM
I'm sorry but how is this the Bakersfield PD's fault? We have one of the best police dept in the country. Did the PD give him the gun? Did they hold the other guy so he could be shot? The problem could be ended in a week if it were to be implimented but that is a political question. Dont blame the fronline troops. Like many here like to rant, if we had a cop on every corner it would become a police state. Just let us know when you take a stand against these guys (gang bangers) instead of just making noise. I know, its always easy to blame the cops.

Joe

Old Fuff
January 2, 2006, 03:15 PM
I don't see most of the posters here laying this mess at the frontline trooper's feet. Who is at fault is the government they work for, and by extension the residents' who elected it. A police force is only as good as the resources it has, and the backing it gets. In was noted in previous posts that where the resources and backing are in place the gang problems are less - sometimes much less.

Joe45acp
January 2, 2006, 04:55 PM
I apologize for not reading the rest of the posts as carefully as I should have. The first post I thought came off as to laying the blame for this at the feet of the PD and that didnt sit well with me. This problem is a political problem, not a police problem. If my post came off as attacking to all posters then I apologize for that.

Joe

Pilgrim
January 2, 2006, 05:26 PM
*hmph*
Last edited by Justin : Today at 11:55 AM.
You obviously weren't ready for a history lesson.

Pilgrim

Exposure
January 2, 2006, 05:31 PM
Maybe I could believe the stabbings, but not the shootings.

This is California we are talking about, with all those gun control laws they have there is no way this type of stuff could happen.

Marvin Gardens
January 2, 2006, 07:56 PM
We stopped shopping in the Valley Plaza Mall five years ago. The center island merchants catered to teenagers and the Mall became a hangout for kids. I started to notice a shift from teenagers to gang bangers and started to recognize former prisoners on a frequent basis. I didn't need that and didn't like being greeted by thugs when I had my family in tow. We discovered Amazon.com and do most of our shopping on-line. I blame mall management as they encouraged the growth of this situation in their quest to make more money. Now the mall is not a safe place for families to go and shop.

Regards,

Marvin

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