NYC's Bloomberg to take handgun control national


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January 2, 2006, 11:48 AM
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/story/379449p-322247c.html

Pledge to carry gun battle across nation

By DAVID SALTONSTALL
DAILY NEWS CITY HALL BUREAU CHIEF

Once content to rule the city, Mayor Bloomberg yesterday vowed for the first time to go national - with an all-out effort to crack down on illegal gun sales.
With the shooting deaths of two NYPD cops still weighing on the city - and with his confidence as a political player clearly rising - Bloomberg promised in his second term to fight the fight over illegal handguns in every forum that matters.

"We will take our message to Albany, to Washington and to every capital of every state that permits guns to flow freely across its borders," said Bloomberg.

"And to those who distort our laws to aid and abet hardened criminals, know this," he said, punching the air for emphasis. "We will not rest until we secure all of the tools we need to protect New Yorkers from the scourge of illegal guns."

Although Bloomberg has talked before about the need for stricter gun controls, yesterday was the first time he pledged to do battle in individual statehouses throughout the U.S.

The new push underscored the growing sense of urgency in the city surrounding illegal firearms, which helped fuel a 3% increase in shooting victims last year.

But it also reflected a mayor who, after four years of mostly learning the political ropes in New York, is confident enough to take his game to the national level, experts said.

Gun control advocates said that as the Republican mayor of the country's largest city - and one of the GOP's most generous donors - Bloomberg could be uniquely positioned to influence the national gun control debate.

"If he can make an alliance of governors and mayors - particularly Republican governors and mayors - it could greatly help us," said Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.), an author of the Brady Bill, which requires background checks for handgun purchases. "We haven't had a major Republican voice speaking out for gun control in a long time."

No matter what, with a Texas Republican in the White House and the National Rifle Association still among the biggest givers in Congress, it will be an uphill fight, Schumer added.

NRA officials could not be reached for comment yesterday, but Bloomberg is already in the group's sights.

When the mayor talked last month about the need to tighten gun laws after the shooting death of NYPD Officer Dillon Stewart - by a gun stolen in Florida - NRA spokesman Andrew Arulanandam said it was "despicable" for Bloomberg to inject politics into the debate.

Others said Bloomberg's plan to take the fight to states where most of New York's illegal guns originate - with Florida and Georgia being prime culprits - was right on.

"He needs to go to Florida and say, 'You sell thousands of guns that end up on our streets every year, and one of them killed a police officer in New York. What are you going to do about that?'" said Jackie Kuhls, executive director of New Yorkers Against Gun Violence.


Mike's resolutions

Mayor Bloomberg's second inaugural address yesterday included promises to:


Launch a national effort to crack down on illegal guns.

Speed up the rebuilding of lower Manhattan and create a "sustainable residential and commercial community" - a clear reference to his call for housing at Ground Zero.

"Lock in and extend" reforms granting mayoral control over city schools, which the state can revoke after 2008.

Continue to drive down crime and improve public safety, which he called "the foundation of our city's prosperity."

Be "fiscally responsible." City government "can and must live within its means," he said.

Originally published on January 2, 2006

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captain obvious
January 2, 2006, 11:53 AM
Just keep alienating the rest of the country, New York....

Lupinus
January 2, 2006, 11:53 AM
So your city is a crime infested crap hole you are going to try and come to my neck of the woods and take my guns?

Try it. You stay in your craphole, I will stay in my neck of the woods.

ziadel
January 2, 2006, 11:57 AM
god I ahve got to get out of new york.

I'll tell ya this tho, if bloomberg comes up here and tries to take my pistols, well, you can imagine just what I would do.

ReadyontheRight
January 2, 2006, 12:01 PM
RINOs:cuss:

Turkey Creek
January 2, 2006, 12:05 PM
Hey guys, don'tcha know if it's good enough for New Yawk City, it's good enough for the world- what an elitist clown, especially since I'm sure he has pleanty of bodyguards carrying to protect his a#$- :cuss:

NorthernExtreme
January 2, 2006, 12:17 PM
Until Drunks admit THEY have a drinking problem they are doomed to fail.

Until Gamblers admit THEY have a gambling problem they are doomed to fail.

Until New York (and the rest of the US) admits NEW YORK has a murderous criminal problem it is doomed to fail.

Denial and pushing the blame onto something else is a common problem for those who suffer from the problem they deny they have.

Regards,

Gunpacker
January 2, 2006, 12:23 PM
It is a sure bet that any gun used in a NYC crime is likely to be illegal, since there are very few legal guns there. Doesn't surprise anyone. There are illegal guns everywhere, and the answer is to punish those with illegal guns. Seems simple. They break the law, punish them, not me.
What a deal for the idiot pols from nyc. Just point to a crime and say "illegal gun". Heck, seems like having a gun is the biggest crime in ny.
Everyone seems to be able to blame someone else for their crime problem. It is Florida's fault because someone stole a gun, and it ended up in nyc. Don't point your finger at nyc citizens who use them, that would be accepting the blame where it belongs, ON nyc CITIZENS. Not my fault. Your fault.

boofus
January 2, 2006, 01:47 PM
And this is why no new yorker, republican or not will ever get my vote for president. I hope neither he or Guiliani are planning on winning the republican nomination in 2008. I'd rather throw my ballot in the ocean or write in a vote for Atilla the Hun than cast a vote for either.

bg
January 2, 2006, 02:07 PM
"He needs to go to Florida and say,'You sell thousands of guns that end up on our streets every year, and one of them killed a police officer in New York. What are you going to do about that?'" said Jackie Kuhls, executive director of New Yorkers Against Gun Violence.
Since when have weapons figured out how to load themselves,
point themselves, fire themselves and make the distinction of
shooting police or anyone else for that matter..? If weapons
can do this, then what is the reason for them having a trigger,
hammer, sights etc ?

Old Dog
January 2, 2006, 02:50 PM
Apparently, Mayor Bloomberg has realized that he's not smart enough, nor qualified enough, to even attempt to fix his city's real problems, hence, he uses his bully pulpit to spread a message (albeit an ignorant message) that he knows will resonate even with his political opponents, thereby assuring his name and notoriety remain established in the media ...

longeyes
January 2, 2006, 02:53 PM
The essence of being a liberal--and Bloomberg's that, in spades, regardless of his wealth or alleged party affiliation--is to do anything but the obvious. If he wants to stop crime, he will have to stop criminals--in his own city. Always a touchy problem if you're a bleeding heart liberal.

beerslurpy
January 2, 2006, 02:57 PM
I visited my parents in NYC for christmas and it is really amazing. But I am finally getting through to some of the ultra-liberals my parents associate with.

Anyway, some interesting things I noticed:
-even though NYC probably has more taxpayers per mile of road than any place on the planet except tokyo, there is barely a 100m section that doesnt have huge cracks and potholes. My relatively podunk county has perfectly maintained roads with manicured medians. No income tax and very little property tax here.
-NYC probably has more police per square mile than any place on earth that isnt holding a police convention. Yet the police have rarely been able to solve all but the most obvious of crimes (I lived there 18 years) and crime is rising again.
-NYC spent 40m dollars rebuilding the station under the WTC and then tore it down and rebuilt it again, essentially for no good reason.

And NYC collects more income and real estate tax than any other place in the country I can think of. My parents got nearly half their money taken last year, even after maxxed 401k contributions. So really, where is all the money going? NYC businesses are making money, NYC taxpayers are making money and the city is collecting a huge chunk of it.

Kim
January 2, 2006, 03:15 PM
Let's build a fence around NYC NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:cuss:

RealGun
January 2, 2006, 03:24 PM
Sounds like a setup for Schumer. 'Wonder what they have in mind?

Hawkmoon
January 2, 2006, 03:29 PM
Colour me stupid, I guess.

The gun used to shoot the officer was stolen in Florida? What does this have to do with ANY sort of gun sales ... let alone illegal gun sales.

Sold = sold.

Stolen = stolen.

Am I missing anything?

Zundfolge
January 2, 2006, 03:32 PM
So how do we go about kicking Bloomberg out of the party?

rick_reno
January 2, 2006, 03:38 PM
So really, where is all the money going?

When I lived in Manhatten in the mid-80's, it was reported that 35% of the population was on public assistance.

mmike87
January 2, 2006, 03:39 PM
Hey, I am all for cracking down on illeagle gun sales. However, I doubt that is what he really means.

longeyes
January 2, 2006, 03:45 PM
Anyway, some interesting things I noticed:
-even though NYC probably has more taxpayers per mile of road than any place on the planet except tokyo, there is barely a 100m section that doesnt have huge cracks and potholes. My relatively podunk county has perfectly maintained roads with manicured medians. No income tax and very little property tax here.
-NYC probably has more police per square mile than any place on earth that isnt holding a police convention. Yet the police have rarely been able to solve all but the most obvious of crimes (I lived there 18 years) and crime is rising again.
-NYC spent 40m dollars rebuilding the station under the WTC and then tore it down and rebuilt it again, essentially for no good reason.

And NYC collects more income and real estate tax than any other place in the country I can think of. My parents got nearly half their money taken last year, even after maxxed 401k contributions. So really, where is all the money going? NYC businesses are making money, NYC taxpayers are making money and the city is collecting a huge chunk of it.

Start digging under the floorboards.

TallPine
January 2, 2006, 03:57 PM
So let me get this straight ... the Democrats haved lost the last two presidential elections over gun control, and this prominent and aspiring "Republican" is now joining up with the Democrats to support more national gun control...? :rolleyes:

I mean, I knew he was an idiot, but .......:confused:


Note to Bloomberg: stay out of Montana :p

Bushy
January 2, 2006, 06:17 PM
Let's build a fence around NYC NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:cuss:

Well, there is ALREADY a moat around it, but someone built some bridges over it.:(

22-rimfire
January 2, 2006, 06:29 PM
I think the anwer is to reduce the amount of gun control in NYC, not talk about more or blame it on other states. Lets start with a reasonable CCW law and get rid of any permits that are required to buy or own firearms. I bet crime goes down.

I also will not vote for any New Yok candidate for President. I would rather have just about anyone else no matter which party. Hope they get the hint.

No_Brakes23
January 2, 2006, 06:34 PM
The essence of being a liberal--and Bloomberg's that, An anti-gun Republican is pretty much the opposite of liberal.

Just the only good thing about NYC is that it makes Cali look a tad less crummy.

AirForceShooter
January 2, 2006, 07:15 PM
I am sooo happy I'm out of there.
But this is just political garbage talk.
Bloomie isn't going to do a thing.

Did you expect a New York Republican to be like a southern Democrat?

AFS

Janitor
January 2, 2006, 07:24 PM
The mayors of Miami & Atlanta should visit Bloomberg and insist he do something about the NYC hoods coming down there and stealing guns.
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georgeduz
January 2, 2006, 07:31 PM
why dont they have a ban on crime,i think they should ban crime,murder and rape should be on top of there list.

Standing Wolf
January 2, 2006, 08:33 PM
The root cause of violent crime is criminals.

I have no idea what the mayor of New York might be in touch with, but it sure isn't reality.

cracked butt
January 3, 2006, 01:57 AM
Illegal guns?

Mr. Bloomberg, if you want to take an issue that is meaningful and will make America a better place to live, campaign across the country about illegal aliens.

Werewolf
January 3, 2006, 12:08 PM
"He needs to go to Florida and say, 'You sell thousands of guns that end up on our streets every year, and one of them killed a police officer in New York. What are you going to do about that?'":rolleyes: Hmmm....

OK - lets see if I've got this right - guns are being stolen from law abiding Floridians to supply illegal guns to NYC.

Well then - the answer is obvious:

Sell more guns to Floridians to replace those that were stolen and then charge the cost back to NYC! :neener:

Thefabulousfink
January 3, 2006, 01:33 PM
an all-out effort to crack down on illegal gun sales.


He mean's ALL gun sales.

We will not rest until we secure all of the tools we need to protect New Yorkers from the scourge of illegal guns.


Here's an idea close all the tunnels, destroy all the bridges, and order the coast gaurd to fire on any ship aproaching NY Harbor.

That's the only way to do it because most states (like VT and NH) won't put up with some RINO mayor coming over and telling them how to run their state. And even if every responsible American sleeps in on election day and he manages to ban all gun sales in the US, NYC will still have high crime rates. Guns will either come from overseas, or criminals will resort to using knives, clubs, and other weapons. Crime is not a byproduct of the invention of the firearm, and a criminal is still a criminal even without a gun.:banghead:

Rem700SD
January 3, 2006, 01:58 PM
I just hope this guy doesn't have any presidential apirations. I predict a reality check for him if he campaigns outside of NYC.

ArmedBear
January 3, 2006, 02:06 PM
I wonder if he has a clue how stupid the autocratic mayor of New York will look, prancing around blaming everyone ELSE in the country for the crime in his city.

Someone needs to turn him on to Hans Christian Andersen. Obviously, no one read any to him when he was a little brat.

White Horseradish
January 3, 2006, 02:28 PM
Hmm... This oughta be interesting. Just how exactly does he plan to do this?

"Hi, I'm Mayor Bloomberg of NYC and I think you oughta quit buying guns"
"Well, mayor this ain't NY, this here is Arizona, so you can go park your posterior on that cactus over there..."

Thefabulousfink
January 3, 2006, 02:30 PM
And to think Guilliani(sp?) supported this guy. Guilliani was never one to go around blaiming others for his city's problems. While he wasn't exactly pro-gun, he was at least tough on crime, and that is more effective than a boatload of anti-gun legislature(sp).

MarshallDodge
January 3, 2006, 02:33 PM
I just hope this guy doesn't have any presidential apirations. I predict a reality check for him if he campaigns outside of NYC.
Amen!

Master Blaster
January 3, 2006, 03:06 PM
People who live in NYC have a disease, They believe that NewYork City is the most important place in the USA, and the only place that counts. They cant understand how anyone can live anywhere else. Many of them have rarely been outside NYC except on vacation.

They fail to realize that almost all of their fellow Americans, dont share their view.

He will discover this as he tries to take his idea ouside of the 5 Boroughs.;)

Molon Labe
January 3, 2006, 03:17 PM
What's an "illegal gun"? :confused:

Hockeydude
January 3, 2006, 03:38 PM
People who live in NYC have a disease, They believe that NewYork City is the most important place in the USA, and the only place that counts. They cant understand how anyone can live anywhere else. Many of them have rarely been outside NYC except on vacation.

They fail to realize that almost all of their fellow Americans, dont share their view.

He will discover this as he tries to take his idea ouside of the 5 Boroughs.;)

Wow I didn't know I have a disease! Is there a cure? :rolleyes:

Gulliani was a good mayor. He put more cops on the streets and cleaned the place up. But also credit needs to be given to the economic boom of the 90s. A good economy and quality of life means less crime. But with the .com burst and the way things are going with Bush, I wouldn't be surprized if in the next decade NYC turns into another Detroit.

Don't be fooled by how socially liberal New Yorkers are. NYC is the capitalist capital of the world. It's a dog eat dog society. NYC certainly is no Paris.

And I've found NYC to be a bearable, even a fun place to live even though the gun laws are insane. It's funny to go into manhatten and make fun of all the freaks on the train. My family doesn't even own a car. Shoprite is right around the corner and there are plenty of places to shop and eat.

Just giving you guys a perspective on how it's not that bad here. Although I do plan to move away soon to persue my love of firearms. The only thing I've found not possible in NY.

RealGun
January 3, 2006, 04:02 PM
Bloomberg makes it sound like the rest of the country is a suburb of NYC.

pharmer
January 3, 2006, 04:26 PM
It isn't just NYC with the "disease." Back in the '70's I used to take the train from Jersey to the tubes. Under the river to the World Trade Centr. There was a guy I saw everyday, got on the Erie-Lackawanna (now NJT) at the same stop. Never once looked up from his paper-no matter what. Winter, summer, crowds, danger didn't matter. Probably didn't look up from his paper when the building fell on him either. These people are robots, vote for whatever will not cause them to look up from their paper. They sure aren't listening to us. Glad I got out half a lifetime ago, people are aware and alive here, (well most of 'em). :D Joe

davec
January 3, 2006, 04:47 PM
Has the NRA made any official comment on the mayors remarks?

saddenedcitizen
January 3, 2006, 05:57 PM
The general ( key word ) opinion of NewYorkers is that the rest of the world would give ANYTHING just to live in New York.
West of the Hudson is barren wilderness full of attacking bands of savages, death, destruction and danger !!
New Your is big (population), crowded, EXPENSIVE (taxes, real estate and everything else) dirty and dangerous.
The upside is a deli around the corner and overpriced 'plays' ??
No Thanks.
Have been there several times which was far too many visits.
Bloomberg is gonna find his 'act' isn't going to play real well with the more sane individuals in this country.
Hockey, you don't have a desease ! Sounds like you may have seen the light. Get out while you can.

Carl N. Brown
January 3, 2006, 06:31 PM
When we have gang violence here in Kingsport Tennessee,
the culprits are usually referred to as the "New York" boys.
Because when arrested, a lot of them are from New York.
We oughta ask when New York will stop exporting its drug
gangsters.

ArmedBear
January 3, 2006, 07:48 PM
Wow I didn't know I have a disease! Is there a cure? :rolleyes:

Yeah. Get a car. Take a road trip away from your navel-gazing little hamlet for six weeks. Take a few tours with real estate agents in a few places, and see what sorts of different lifestyles people are willing to pay good money for. Ask them if they would really rather live in Brooklyn.

Don't be a jerk, which probably means, shut up and learn to talk politely to people. It will be really weird at first.


Gulliani was a good mayor. He put more cops on the streets and cleaned the place up. But also credit needs to be given to the economic boom of the 90s. A good economy and quality of life means less crime. But with the .com burst and the way things are going with Bush, I wouldn't be surprized if in the next decade NYC turns into another Detroit.

Or another NYC, circa 20-30 years ago.

Don't be fooled by how socially liberal New Yorkers are. NYC is the capitalist capital of the world. It's a dog eat dog society. NYC certainly is no Paris.

No one's fooled. It's generally assumed -- rightly or wrongly -- that most New Yorkers would sell their children for the right price.

And I've found NYC to be a bearable, even a fun place to live even though the gun laws are insane. It's funny to go into manhatten and make fun of all the freaks on the train.

Whoopee!! :rolleyes:

My family doesn't even own a car. Shoprite is right around the corner and there are plenty of places to shop and eat.

Contrary to popular belief, most Americans don't have cars because they are somehow forced to. They like to get out a bit. And also contrary to popular belief, many people, especially in the South and West, actually like their lives to consist of something more than shopping and eating. Note the popularity of outdoor sports, arts, crafts, hobbies, etc. Hence the desire for things like garages, which are rooms attached to houses, designed for storing cars, but often used to store backpacks, mountain bikes, surfboard, skiis, etc., and for projects like building furniture or hot rods, and as amateur artists' studios.

Just giving you guys a perspective on how it's not that bad here. Although I do plan to move away soon to persue my love of firearms. The only thing I've found not possible in NY.

There are lots of things not possible in NY, despite the excellent shopping and eating opportunities.

I'm not telling you not to like it. It's just funny how many New Yorkers are unaware of the opportunity costs of their lifestyles, simply because they haven't entertained a lot of alternative ideas.

People don't buy cars and live in diverse places around the US because they HAVE to. Many of them really WANT to.

You'd be hard-pressed to find a San Diegan who would rather live in NYC, I can guarantee you. But you won't have to look far to find a former New Yorker living here.

Igloodude
January 3, 2006, 08:19 PM
Here's an idea close all the tunnels, destroy all the bridges, and order the coast gaurd to fire on any ship aproaching NY Harbor.

That's the only way to do it because most states (like VT and NH) won't put up with some RINO mayor coming over and telling them how to run their state. And even if every responsible American sleeps in on election day and he manages to ban all gun sales in the US, NYC will still have high crime rates. Guns will either come from overseas, or criminals will resort to using knives, clubs, and other weapons. Crime is not a byproduct of the invention of the firearm, and a criminal is still a criminal even without a gun.:banghead:

We don't put up with RINO mayors telling us how to run our state any more than we put up with Democrat mayors (Boston's Menino) telling us how to run our state.

But this is starting to be a familiar refrain over the past 3-4 months: "Our crime problem is caused by other places that don't ban guns!" I wonder if anti-gunners are deliberately trying to stir the pot in places that are ordinarily very pro-gun?

Hockeydude
January 3, 2006, 09:27 PM
Wow ArmedBear, such harshness.

I'm not the ignorant New Yorker you assume I am. The yuppies that sit in starbucks discussing how they are more cultured than everyone and how great socialism in Europe is aren't my type of people. I'm for of a do it yourself type of person. I love going fishing and mushroom/berry picking in the forest. And this week I just helped my dad build a new kitchen.

I don't appreciate the socialist wasteland NYC has become. But at the same time see nothing wrong with watching a broadway play or shoping at macys. And no, I'm not in it for the bleeched jeans and fancy haircuts. I know theres more to life.

Just don't go insulting all New Yorkers. There are plenty of good people here. It would be wrong for me to call all country folk redneck bible thumping idiots wouldn't it?

Herself
January 3, 2006, 09:50 PM
Edited: One way to read Hockeydude's statement imples:
[So] if one is not a New Yorker, one is "country folk?" [Oooooo-kay.]

[Sorry; haven't been interested in The City since Edwin H. Armstrong was lawyered to death there.]

Other folks have suggested I was too quick to judge. Okay; I'll wait and see.

--Herself

Guyon
January 3, 2006, 10:05 PM
From what I read, Hockeydude has behaved politely. He was never a jerk, and he never implied that all non-NYC people are "country folk." Are you people reading the same posts I am? Sure can't say other folks in this thread *have* behaved politely.

This from a hunting, fishing, kayaking, hiking, camping, gun-toting, Alabama-raised (town of 200) fellow who tends not to pre-judge folks because of where they live. I visited the city for the first time last year. In addition to the Manhattan socialites whose territory stops at Martha's Vineyard, there are plenty of good people in NYC.

ArmedBear
January 3, 2006, 10:47 PM
Hockeydude, my apologies.

But you don't seem to be afflicted with the disease you claimed.:)

The_Shootist
January 3, 2006, 10:56 PM
...see how far his gun control crusade goes.

He'd be doing well if he doesn't get rocks thrown at him :evil:

Hockeydude
January 3, 2006, 11:10 PM
NP ArmedBear. :cool:

mountainclmbr
January 3, 2006, 11:11 PM
Too bad a big, REALLY BIG earthquake can't shake a little bit off the USA on both coasts.

It seems the debate is that recycling career crimminals through the crimminal daycare center and then back into society should be blamed on legal gun owners so the corrupt politicians can operate without fear that they will be called on the carpet. I should add that I think that high crime helps the leftists because they use LEO cutbacks as a threat against tax cuts. Nevermind that they let the crooks right back out. It is all smoke and mirrors to justify taking money from the productive class of citizens.

No_Brakes23
January 4, 2006, 03:01 AM
Did you expect a New York Republican to be like a southern Democrat?

Ya know, after seeing how liberal, (As in unrestricted) the laws are in some of these "Blue" states like Vermont and Oregon, I am beginning to think the country Dems aren't always that bad.

bowline
January 4, 2006, 04:35 AM
I've got a different take on this. He isn't trying to stop the 'import' of guns, he's trying to export some of his criminals.

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