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FireBreather01
January 3, 2006, 07:04 PM
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=42184210

This is a link to a GunBroker auction where the seller is claiming the gun and rig to be the original property of a serial killer and rapist and the actual items for sale may have been used in the commision of the killer's crimes.

In 1977 serial killer kenneth Bianchi began one of the most infamous murder sprees in the history of the United State. Dubbed By press as the hillside strangler, he terrified young women and girls in southern California for two years. He and his parner impersonated police useing fake badges to abduct hapless female victims eventually deriving their sick thrills from rapeing tortureing and killing them and dumping their lifeless bodies in the rolling hills above hollywood. This is a complete police setup security guard Bianchi obtained while volenteering as a reserve sherrifs deputy and may well have been used to complete the policeman ruse that was the method of so many of his crimes. - from auction

Maybe I'm being too sensitive or have a low outrage threshhold but I just don't think we need an auction on a major site that glorifies a sick individual. We have enough problems defending the 2nd without being seen as somehow fascinated by a serial killer's tools of his trade.

I wrote GB and told them of my disgust with this auction, I wish they would pull it.

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ReadyontheRight
January 3, 2006, 07:07 PM
I agree.

Sickening that someone would make money off of something like this.

f4t9r
January 3, 2006, 07:14 PM
Pretty sad
sad that sick people would do anything to make a buck

mnrivrat
January 3, 2006, 07:28 PM
I can't say I agree with you on this one. Realy not meaning to start an argument but I see no difference here in buying/selling this type of history over any other.

I know there are people sensitive to this type of thing but I don't consider it as glorifying the murderer , any more than collecting WWII German stuff glorifies Hitler. To me, it is what it is - an object with some history.

Personaly in this case I would pay no more for it because of it's history, but I'll leave that up to the buyer to decide.

Bill2k1
January 3, 2006, 07:34 PM
I can't say I agree with you on this one. Realy not meaning to start an argument but I see no difference here in buying/selling this type of history over any other.

I know there are people sensitive to this type of thing but I don't consider it as glorifying the murderer , any more than collecting WWII German stuff glorifies Hitler. To me, it is what it is - an object with some history.

Personaly in this case I would pay no more for it because of it's history, but I'll leave that up to the buyer to decide.


I'm with you. While it holds no value for me, someone may want it for the history. I don't see anything wrong with selling an item by using its history as a selling point.

newfalguy101
January 3, 2006, 07:35 PM
Like it or not it IS a peice of American history, and a decent looking gun to boot.

If its authenticated, then I am sure that some collector would add it to their collection.

Really now, is this any worse than collecting Nazi marked stuff from WW2 or, the guns that killed Kennedy or Lincoln, or how about the gun that killed "Billy the Kid"

While I am certianly no expert, I have my doubts to the authenticity of these items anyway, I would expect something like this to be auctioned off by one of the big auction houses, NOT being hawked on Gunbroker.

whm1974
January 3, 2006, 07:58 PM
I thought guns used in commission of a crime or at least in a murder were destoryed.

-Bill

James T Thomas
January 3, 2006, 08:13 PM
Whether they are guns, swords, bullets, or a scoop of blood soaked ground, they constitute the category of either "blood money," or "someone's blood cries out from the ground, or object." That is according to most wise and truthful statement from someone who truly knows.

I would not have them in my posession.
Nor would I trade and commerce with such things.

James Brady
January 3, 2006, 08:24 PM
I'm all for the free market. Don't buy it.

shooting time
January 3, 2006, 08:30 PM
Interesting I may bid on it ! It is a piece of history bad or not it still has value.

pharmer
January 3, 2006, 08:32 PM
No difference from Nazi stuff. I don't have any, have no interest in it, and find the whole area repulsive. That don't mean I have any right to stop you from your pursuit or even to get filthy rich fleecing the faithful. Joe

dfariswheel
January 3, 2006, 09:44 PM
One of the more shadowy wings of gun collecting are people who collect "Blood Guns".
These are guns that were used to kill a person.

This is a group that tend to move in their own circle of like-minded collectors.
They run the gamut from top-enders who collect famous lawman or outlaw guns, to the more fringe element that collect ANY gun that's been used to kill, and they don't care if it's a Lorcin in 10% condition.

Many of these people maintain "connections" in police departments and coroner offices, where they use their contacts to try to obtain" Blood Guns".

It's not unusual for relatives of people who have committed suicide to be contacted by collectors trying to buy the suicide gun.

Again, some at the top are just collectors of famous guns, and some at the bottom are pretty sleazy.

Apparently a "hot" new collector category is items and art work owned by serial killers, and blood guns fit right in to that.

V4Vendetta
January 3, 2006, 09:51 PM
" just don't think we need an auction on a major site that glorifies a sick individual."

+1. That's just wrong.

IndianaDean
January 3, 2006, 10:00 PM
That is disgusting. Does anyone here know that Burt Reynolds was one of the guys that helped catch the Hillside Strangler? I saw him discussing it on a talk show several years ago.

Car Knocker
January 3, 2006, 10:00 PM
Not any different that buying or selling military surplus arms that most likely were used against other combatants, quite possibly our own soldiers. Or historical arms from notorious figures in the American West that were likely used in crimes - say a gun owned by Jesse James.

Werewolf
January 3, 2006, 10:08 PM
Maybe I'm being too sensitive or have a low outrage threshhold but I just don't think we need an auction on a major site that glorifies a sick individual.Yes... You're being too sensitive and have a low outrage threshold. :rolleyes:

SOLUTION:
Skip the auction. Don't buy the gun. Move on...

Taurus 66
January 3, 2006, 10:13 PM
Further proof there's a market for anything. :barf:

fluffygrrl
January 3, 2006, 10:16 PM
its one thing to buy it for its history, i mean the museums are filled to the brim with scythes and racks and pulleys, and im sure the guillotine that got marie antoinette is around somewhere.

its quite another to buy it for mispelled and miscapitalized reasons including "rapeing" and "the history of the united state".

i suppose what the original poster objects to/is sickened by is not as much the listing itself, as the rather slimish quality of the lister, and supposedly of his customers. which is obviously a sepparate issue, even if he doesnt see it as such.

V4Vendetta
January 3, 2006, 10:17 PM
"say a gun owned by Jesse James."

Jesse James didn't make a habit of raping & killing women.

http://www.crimelibrary.com/gangsters_outlaws/outlaws/james/1.html

White Horseradish
January 3, 2006, 10:17 PM
Major deja vu. Didn't this gun come up for auction a couple of years ago and didn't we have this exact discussion then?

akodo
January 3, 2006, 10:18 PM
yes, i am kind of disturbed by it.

however, as long as it is not police evidence gone missing, i don't think there should be a law restricting the sales of items related to a serial killer.

This is a free country, i have no interest in forcing people to abandon what they find interesting and make them only do what I find intersting.

That being said, i wouldn't be against the auciton site if they said 'no' to such sales, just like i wouldn't be against a bookstore who chose not to sell porn.

fluffygrrl
January 3, 2006, 10:22 PM
what about a porn store that decided not to sell porn ?

M.E.Eldridge
January 3, 2006, 10:30 PM
If you want it...go ahead and get it. Like others have said its just a pistol with a notorious pistol. It ain't the guns fault the whackjob commited heinous crimes.


On the whole death guns thing...I can see why people would be interested in it. Hell, if I could buy a gun used to kill, say, Curly Bill Brocious, or the pistol John Ringo used to kill himself, I would by it. Not necissarily because it is tied with the death of an individual, but a part of an historical life. Of course, the serial killer thing, I wouldn't much care for.

Feanaro
January 3, 2006, 11:24 PM
If someone were to sell the Mannlicher Carcano used to kill Kennedy and made the history part of his sales pitch, is he glorifying Lee Harvey Oswald and assassination? Unless he makes obvious overtones to that effect, I think not. I believe the auction lacks that. It might be considered tasteless in it's description but it seems to me that the items are being presented as (potential) historical relics, a curiosity.

The Zodiac killer, Jack the Ripper, the Son of Sam, the Hillside Strangler, and their ilk are part of popular culture. Like mobsters, they are interesting. Evil but interesting. If it is authentic, it's a piece of popular history. I have no personal interest in it but thank God for choices.

Jesse James didn't make a habit of raping & killing women.

A saintly gentleman, to be sure. He would never consider rape. Only the good stuff, murder and robbery, for the likes of our beloved Jesse. :p

boofus
January 3, 2006, 11:27 PM
No different than someone selling a gun that belonged to the Dillinger Gang, Bonnie & Clyde, or Geronimo. They weren't saints either.

Can you say Curio & Relic?

taliv
January 3, 2006, 11:32 PM
it's an inanimate object. it is neither good or evil. it simply *is*.

it wouldn't bother me a bit to own it or sell it or buy it etc if nobody made a big deal out of it.


however, given the opportunity it presents to the anti-gunners to make us look like a bunch of bloodthirsty maniacs, i'd certainly prefer gunbroker exercised a little more discretion.

Balog
January 3, 2006, 11:32 PM
Is it odd that I'm more bothered by the piss-poor spelling and capitalization than the idea of making money from an infamous object?

Manedwolf
January 4, 2006, 02:02 AM
If someone were to sell the Mannlicher Carcano used to kill Kennedy and made the history part of his sales pitch, is he glorifying Lee Harvey Oswald and assassination? Unless he makes obvious overtones to that effect, I think not. I believe the auction lacks that. It might be considered tasteless in it's description but it seems to me that the items are being presented as (potential) historical relics, a curiosity.

The Zodiac killer, Jack the Ripper, the Son of Sam, the Hillside Strangler, and their ilk are part of popular culture. Like mobsters, they are interesting. Evil but interesting. If it is authentic, it's a piece of popular history. I have no personal interest in it but thank God for choices.



A saintly gentleman, to be sure. He would never consider rape. Only the good stuff, murder and robbery, for the likes of our beloved Jesse. :p

The Henry Ford museum has on display the car Kennedy died in, along with the bloodstained theater seat Lincoln was shot in. They get a lot of interested visitors...people are fascinated by the elements of crime and tragedy. The FBI Museum in D.C. is also full of the artifacts of crimes. (And they have some fascinating Prohibition-era gang guns, too, especially the odd caneguns and shoeguns and all.)

That said, I do have to say that it's tasteless for the seller to try to make a quick buck off this. It'd be far more decent to simply donate it to one of the public-trust crime & justice museums, I'd think.

IndianaDean
January 4, 2006, 02:48 AM
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Jesse James didn't make a habit of raping & killing women.

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Folks should read more on the historical Jesse James. If ever there was a man who does NOT deserve to be a folk hero, it's James. He was one of the most vicious cold blooded killers of his time. He might not have raped or killed women (and I'm not sure now that I think about it that he didn't shoot some women dead), but it wouldn't surprise me one bit to find out he did. Alot of folks he murdered were unarmed.

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