Texas SWAT and Dallas SWAT


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David
January 4, 2006, 05:34 PM
Two potentially interesting firearms-related reality shows start this week:

TEXAS SWAT on Court TV (starts 01/04/06)

and

DALLAS SWAT on A&E (starts 01/05/06)

Check your local listings (I always wanted to say that). ;)

:what: :scrutiny: :what:

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oh blanky
January 4, 2006, 06:02 PM
I'll eat my hat if these are not sheeple indoctrination propaganda pieces.

I'll be watching.

Sindawe
January 4, 2006, 06:32 PM
I've seen the promos for Dallas SWAT on A&E. So...I'll eat my hat if these are not sheeple indoctrination propaganda pieces.Would you like that hat fried, baked or roasted oh blanky?

The promos I've seen already tout the "good family man, defender of civilization" image.

HighVelocity
January 4, 2006, 06:33 PM
http://www.courttv.com/onair/shows/texas_swat/

Looks interesting

El Tejon
January 4, 2006, 06:53 PM
I will only watch if LawDog is a contributing writer.:D

Episode #4: "Armadillo Down!"

Episode #11: "Witness Interview at Big Mama's trailer"

Episode #17: "What Elf Boots for Meth Lab Raids?"

Episode #27: "Case of the Missing Biscuits and Gravy"

Episode #29: "Jimmy Lee is Off His Meds Again"

Episode #32: "Uncle Jojo's House!"

Episode #39: "Yankee Lawyer Arrested for Picking Wildflowers and Resisting and Damage to Police Property (door frame, table at police station, etc.)", guest staring El Tejon
Should be big ratings (at least among THRers).:D

pax
January 4, 2006, 06:59 PM
El Tejon ~

Did you forget, "Don't Make Me Hurt You, Bubba!" ?

pax

El Tejon
January 4, 2006, 07:01 PM
Episode #41: "Dawg's Revenge, aka Bubba Hurts Now"

rock jock
January 4, 2006, 07:04 PM
Damn, I didn't know we had that many SWAT teams in Texas.

another okie
January 4, 2006, 07:06 PM
This post: "I'll eat my hat if these are not sheeple indoctrination propaganda pieces."

is not refuted by this post:

"The promos I've seen already tout the "good family man, defender of civilization" image."

I think that's what he means, that the show will have as an underlying premise that these big strong men with neat toys are here to protect you, you don't need a gun, and they're the only ones professional enough to use Glock 40s.

I don't know whether that will be true or not; I'm willing to suspend judgment for now.

LawDog
January 4, 2006, 07:09 PM
:D

Along with other old favorites, such as:

"I Ain't Wearing The Pink Gorilla Suit Again."

"St. Nicholas Nabs Nervous Nativity 'Napper."

"If You Can Drown Yourself in Six Inches of Water, Can I Watch?"

"What, Dead Again?"

"Deputy Sheriff Claims Self-Defense In Bizarre Teddy Ruxpin Shotgun Slaying."

"Say, Mister, What Caliber Is Your Cat?"

*sigh*

LawDog

taliv
January 4, 2006, 07:18 PM
el tejon: HEH!

Optical Serenity
January 4, 2006, 07:27 PM
And if that is the image they portray, keep in mind the actual LEOs involved probably had very little to NOTHING to do with the actual content you see...

oh blanky
January 4, 2006, 07:54 PM
I've seen the promos for Dallas SWAT on A&E. So...Would you like that hat fried, baked or roasted oh blanky?

The promos I've seen already tout the "good family man, defender of civilization" image.

I stand by my statement, and prefer fried, if it comes to that.

Double Naught Spy
January 4, 2006, 09:21 PM
Episode #4: "Armadillo Down!"

Episode #11: "Witness Interview at Big Mama's trailer"


Thanks a lot, El Tejon, my computer is now splattered with soda spewed from my mouth. I will have you know Armadillo Down is a serious matter. :D

Dallas PD has commented on the news that they hope Dallas SWAT will help with recruitment.

HighVelocity
January 4, 2006, 09:30 PM
After watching the first 1/2 hour, I'm not sure I'll watch the second. I didn't realize SWAT spent so much time making drug busts. I don't find that entertaining at all. It looks like COPS with more gear. :rolleyes:

oh blanky
January 4, 2006, 09:43 PM
My hat remains on my head.

I turned it off after they rolled the APC up on the suicidal yuppie.

Sheesh!

bogie
January 4, 2006, 10:05 PM
Uh, dudes... Have I missed something? I seem to not remember some...


:D

Along with other old favorites, such as:

"I Ain't Wearing The Pink Gorilla Suit Again."

"St. Nicholas Nabs Nervous Nativity 'Napper."

"If You Can Drown Yourself in Six Inches of Water, Can I Watch?"

"What, Dead Again?"

"Deputy Sheriff Claims Self-Defense In Bizarre Teddy Ruxpin Shotgun Slaying."

"Say, Mister, What Caliber Is Your Cat?"

*sigh*

LawDog

bogie
January 4, 2006, 10:09 PM
I'll wager that what we'll see in the long run will be COPS on steroids...

See the EVIL criminal... We're not going to be really specific about what he's charged with, but we're gonna break in the door at 3:00 ayem with plenty of yelling and explosions, and drag him outside in his undies while he screams incoherently and his similarly clad wife-type tries to pull people off of him. Oh yeah... His beagle and his cat may have been dangerous, so they've been "neutralized." Then they'll put up a table with the arsenal that they found in the poor fellow's bedroom...

Maybe later in the show they'll explain that they found a pot plant in the guy's window box...

asknight
January 4, 2006, 10:22 PM
but won't be watching any more episodes.

Aside from other glaring issues, the elitist swatties refer to fellow citizens as "civilians". I.E., "Clear the civilians out of the area!"

Reality check #1, you are a citizen and civilian just like the rest of society.

RKirby
January 4, 2006, 10:47 PM
Well, I missed the first half hour, but I did see the second.

That stand off with the suicidal guy in Austin baffles me. Why was the SWAT team sent out? Were they gonna shoot the poor guy to keep him from from blowing his own head off with the shotgun he was holding? :scrutiny:

VirgilCaine
January 4, 2006, 10:53 PM
My hat remains on my head.

I turned it off after they rolled the APC up on the suicidal yuppie.

Sheesh!

Some guy wants to kill himself and they bring out an armored vehicle?

My God, aren't they happy with the level of body armor they are issued?

adaman04
January 4, 2006, 11:52 PM
I saw Texas SWAT tonight. It sucked. They used a flash bang to order at McDonalds. The SW was there, but where were the Tactics? They busted drug dealers. Don't regular uniforms do that? They also had a sniper covering a suspect from about 9 feet away. Maybe it'll get better.

pax
January 5, 2006, 01:15 AM
Didn't see it. Didn't want to see it. But ...

That stand off with the suicidal guy in Austin baffles me. Why was the SWAT team sent out? Were they gonna shoot the poor guy to keep him from from blowing his own head off with the shotgun he was holding?
Seems to me that if someone is holding a firearm and threatening to kill a human being, that person should be dealt with by the most highly-trained professionals available. Ain't worried about him offing himself; I'm worried about him deciding to take a few of the neighbors with him when he goes.

pax

jtward01
January 5, 2006, 04:00 AM
I've got no problem with calling SWAT for an armed barricaded suspect, even if he is barricaded in a car. SWAT usually has negotiators who have more training in how to defuse a situation than the typical patrol officers. I was very impressed with the way the officer sat down next to the guy, put his hand on his shoulder and talked to him before he was transported to the hospital. Most cops would have just busted him and walked away. This officer appears to be a caring human being. I wish more LEOs were like him.

As for busting drug dealers, in many areas SWAT is called to make an arrest any time the suspect has a history of violent or armed offenses, and particularly if he has a history of fighting with police or has made threats against the police. Using overwhelming force during an arrest is safer not only for the officers but also for the suspects since they are less likely to struggle if they realize fighting is useless.

Optical Serenity
January 5, 2006, 05:03 AM
Most SRT/SWAT/Tac what you call it teams are involved in some sort of UC type work, whatever it may be.

And in regards to a suicidal person, I've seen many suicidal patients go bonkers and start killing others.

Pretty standard procedure to send out a tac team for a suicidal person with a gun...

Correia
January 5, 2006, 10:35 AM
And use of the word civillians is pretty normal. And it isn't usually intended as a bash on the fundamentals of a republic, but rather just the terminology of the group that is armed and armored and together compared to regular folks. I wouldn't read too much into it.

Haven't seen the show.

AK-74me
January 5, 2006, 11:16 AM
I watched it. It thought it was entertaining, saw some cool guns.

I really don't know what you all want from these types of shows?

I'll watch tonight and going fowarded because I liked it enough.

sturmruger
January 5, 2006, 11:19 AM
I kind of think about it this way. Here you havea a bunch of highly trained SWAT guys that will just be sitting around the station like a bunch of firemen if they don't find someone for them to take down. If you have 20 guys on your SWAT team you will need to keep them busy.

ball3006
January 5, 2006, 12:25 PM
I have seen too many film clips of Dallas swat doing whatever on the news holding their pistols "gangsta style" over their sheilds. You have to realize, there are alot of new yorkers over in Dallas and the city voted "blue" in the last several elections.........Dallas is the 5th most dangerous city to live in. Those new yorkers are making the city, just like home.......chris3

TheEgg
January 5, 2006, 01:40 PM
I wonder if Dallas SWAT will have an episode on how to manufacture fake cocaine using crushed wall board and plant it on dozens of innocent people?

I always wanted to know just how that is done.


:rolleyes:

Correia
January 5, 2006, 02:59 PM
There is a reason that you hold your pistol gangster style when using a raid shield. You can't aim it normally through the port!as the shield blocks the sights. You don't want to make the shield port!any bigger (kind of defeats the purpose to have a big hole in your bullet proof shield) so you rotate the pistol gangster style so you can still have a rudimentary sight picture.

LJWebster1
January 5, 2006, 04:49 PM
I haven't seen the show, but interestingly enough, I was at a restaurant right next to where the suicidal Austin guy was. We kept seeing more and more cops show up, then the APC. It was hilarious. I didn't know they were filming for SWAT though. We didn't see any professional looking cameras, other than one local news camera and babe, and they were not talking to her at all. After about 45 minutes, we heard 3 loud bangs and then they cleared us all out of there. I wondered why they waited until after they had neutralized the guy to move us out. Funny.

Spreadfire Arms
January 7, 2006, 12:37 AM
[shameless plug]well FWIW, it was my Glock 18 they used on Texas SWAT in last night's episode![/shameless plug]

http://www.spreadfirearms.com/steveglock18.JPG

Sylvilagus Aquaticus
January 7, 2006, 12:53 AM
Yeah, I was really wondering why they were showing cutaway shots of a MAC, which was on the floor beside a bed in a 'raided house' and then a Glock 18 and back. Then I remembered it was Court TV.

Nice 18, BTW.

Pulling doors and grates off with vehicles was interesting, to say the least. Some of the dynamic force around that seemed a little less than safe if one were swiped by it. Breaking out the tinted windows of the parked truck with suspects inside was interesting as well, especially when it turned out to be the 'wrong' suspect. Who do you see to get those windows replaced?

All in all, I like all the Dallas area officers I've met. It wasn't the officers that bothered me, not in the least. Myself, I think the production and editing was what bugged me the most. I'd imagine there was a lot of context-muddling for 'dramatic effect'. Anyone else see the SKS with the AK mag inserted backwards in it?


Regards,
Rabbit.

Mot45acp
January 7, 2006, 01:23 AM
I aggree with sylvilagus. They show a cobray then cut to a clip of a G-18. Also a SKS then cut to a clip of a full auto AK variant (w/ wood furniture), Then they confiscate an AK with black furniture. And show the same clip of the full auto AK. :scrutiny: :uhoh:
I saw a movie on the web of the pic in spreadfire's post it was surprising how controlable under FA it is.

mbs357
January 7, 2006, 01:23 AM
Are these reality shows?
Or fiction?

carebear
January 7, 2006, 01:32 AM
info-tainment

TexasRifleman
January 7, 2006, 10:53 AM
Are these reality shows?
Or fiction?


Yes :evil:

slzy
January 7, 2006, 12:12 PM
anybody see the episode of cops where the undercover policewoman lures the john into the hotel room,and then the cops swoop in to make the bust,they have the wrong keys! they stand there[about 6 cops,all with pistols drawn]as the guy goes thru all the keys on the ring. another time a policewoman goes out to the boondocks to check on a guy who as his truck stuck. it is more than stuck,a big helicopter looks like the only practical way to get the truck out.she plays real hard assed for the camera[and i don't know shewas a dyke,but if i was a movie director,she would have got the part,if we needed a dyke]and she turned around and immediately got the cruiser stuck.she probably had to ask the guys she had just been rude to to help her get unstuck. bet reno 911 does'nt have to hire writers.

iapetus
January 7, 2006, 03:06 PM
I have seen too many film clips of Dallas swat doing whatever on the news holding their pistols "gangsta style" over their sheilds.

I saw an episode of The Simpsons recently.

The cops were making a raid, and one turned to Chief Wiggum and said:

"Hey, Chief - can I hold my gun sideways? It looks cooler that way."

carebear
January 7, 2006, 04:49 PM
I caught an episode the other night. Dallas I believe. Part of it was the team going to the SWAT championships and pulling out quite a turnaround. I remember reading about it, probably in SWAT magazine.

They pulled a raid (looked smooth, you can really see the lookouts and such in some of those projects on their recon drive-by) and seized some guns and cash and I think some guys had minor amounts in possession. Hi-point carbine, couple Davis-esque pistols, and the worst saw-off job I've ever seen on a shotgun. (BG didn't want to cut and rethread or buy a shorter one of the stock screw so there was this long narrow piece of wood left sticking from the end of the pistol grip. The electrical tape went with the blueing though.) :rolleyes:

The shotgun was patently illegal and they made jokes about the cash ("just pocket money" "doesn't everyone walk around with a couple grand?") so they were probably going to seize that too.

BUT

The show is edited and produced probably weeks after the raid was done and the little followup text said no one had been arrested. They had Federal time sitting there on the shotgun alone, so either the raid didn't net conclusive evidence, the raid was part of a bigger investigation or (and what I fear) there were no big drugs so it wasn't worth the effort for the police/prosecutor to follow through. :confused:

JamisJockey
January 7, 2006, 07:12 PM
I'll eat my hat if these are not sheeple indoctrination propaganda pieces.

I'll be watching.

+1

I can see it now....Officer Schumiketilli, dressed like Darth vader, minus the cape....
"We're here to help these people"
Kicks in door, brandishes MP5
"Get down! Get down! you're going to jail! "
Later, the camera shows two old shotguns and a pistol....
"As you can see, we've confiscated an aresenal. These people are called 'High roaders'"
:neener:

chris in va
January 8, 2006, 12:34 AM
How do you like their take on the AK as a 'purely military weapon' using 'armor piercing rounds' and is a 'seriously destructive weapon' that is their worst nightmare to go up against.

Maybe so, but if I hear one more negative comment about the awesome AK...:cuss:

And of course showed the full auto version, making things even worse.

carebear
January 8, 2006, 01:28 AM
Didn't see an AK in the episode I caught. But they did say "We find all sorts of weapons in these raids, AK-47's blah, blah, blah." :rolleyes:

I'm not trying to denigrate anybody but it's a frikkin' semi-auto, legal to buy in this country, just like umpteen others. Shut up and raid if you've got a warrant and be glad you aren't clearing houses in Ramadi.

g56
January 8, 2006, 01:36 AM
They have said so many really dumb things, SKS Assault Rifle, 600 rounds per minute...on an SKS? :rolleyes: On another segment they showed an SKS converted to detachable magazine, and the curved magazine was in the rifle backwards! Another guy shows a single shot sawed off shotgun, says that it will go right through a vest! He must know something about that shotgun that I don't know, even the lousiest cheapest body armor will stop a shotgun! Or have I missed a new type armor piercing shotgun? :rolleyes:

Optical Serenity
January 8, 2006, 02:29 AM
I saw the Dallas SWAT show, and it really wasn't bad at all...As a cop, I totally expect anything on TV to be silly even if its filmed off reality in law enforcement. They will edit it to suit their needs, not reality.

Amadeus
January 8, 2006, 02:53 AM
I turned it off after 20 minutes. The credibility of the show as a "reality" program was lacking. The officers seemed too comfortable in front of a camera. They seemed very comfortable in fact.

I also found it interesting that the Sniper was worried about being exposed enough to get shot by the barricaded suspect but did not appear to mind having a camera crew follow him into position. Thus making his presence all the more obvious. It was also telling that the Sniper took his eyes off his scope several times to look at and address the camera. I'm not a Police Officer. But were I a SWAT sniper designated to observe a suspect and help keep my fellow officers safe I would sure as hell be concentrating on my job rather than the DAMN CAMERA!!

GEM
January 8, 2006, 02:02 PM
The Dallas guys certainly spend some significant time on their hair. The best thing about the SWAT competition is after listening to all the team spirit, feel the love from a big hair guy - San Antonio beat them again!!

Too much personal stuff on Dallas - I care not for their love life. Some of the first episodes of Cops were like that - followed some semi-attractive woman cop home.

The Austin team looked a little less self-involved.

Steve, nice talking to at the show this weekend. To the day, when you can sell G18s to all!

Nekron
January 9, 2006, 03:26 PM
I'd already heard the phrase, "AK-47 assault rifle" too many times in that short period.

Same crap, different time slot. :rolleyes:

Dr.Rob
January 9, 2006, 05:18 PM
Dallas SWAT wasn't too bad... but I think I'd rather watch the next episode of Rollergirls.

(To keep it gun related they do show the ladies firing weapons in the previews)

buzz_knox
January 9, 2006, 05:23 PM
On Dallas SWAT, did anyone else think the search for the meth cooker was a bit too casual? When they identified the apartment he'd gone into, the officer didn't even have his weapon drawn.

glocking26
January 14, 2006, 04:37 PM
I watched it. and it seems to me 95% of all cops are anti gun. so if your not a cop you should not own a firearm they seem to think.I shut it off.

Hkmp5sd
January 14, 2006, 05:40 PM
Managed to come across the shows during my channel surfing. After the "Ak-47-SKS assault weapon"....."showing up on the streets more often"...."goes right through any body armor we have"...<click> Next channel.

and it seems to me 95% of all cops are anti gun.
I don't think the cops are anti-gun, just very gun ignorant. They repeat the same old quotes they hear while trying to impress everyone with their bravery at having to face these weapons "all the time". Most of them couldn't tell and Ak from an SKS if they ever happen to see one.

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