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fedlaw
January 4, 2006, 09:38 PM
Daley says he'll continue his push for gun-control laws

By Tara Burghart
The Associated Press
Published January 4, 2006, 6:47 PM CST


Mayor Richard Daley said Wednesday he'll continue to push for "commonsense gun legislation" even though several of his proposals have failed to pass the Illinois General Assembly in recent years.

Speaking at a news conference at police headquarters behind a table of seized firearms, Daley said stricter gun laws would help continue the decline of Chicago's crime rate. He noted that 2005 marked the first time since 1965 that Chicago has posted two consecutive years with fewer than 500 homicides.

Daley mentioned four laws he would like to see passed in Springfield. They include a measure to limit handgun purchases to one per person per month and a bill requiring gun dealers to obtain a state license.

Another measure would require guns in a home with children under the age of 18 to be unloaded, disassembled and placed in a securely locked box, or be secured with a trigger lock that renders guns temporarily inoperable.

Daley said he would most like to see passage of a law banning assault weapons in Illinois. They are currently illegal in Chicago.

"Some people ask us, 'Why do you continue to push these same bills every year when they never pass?"' Daley said. "These same people said we would never close the gun show loophole, but we did."

The legislation which took effect Sunday requires background checks on potential firearms buyers at gun shows, closing a loophole that police and others contend has been exploited by gangs and other illegal buyers.

Todd Vandermyde, a lobbyist for the National Rifle Association in Springfield, said in years past, Chicago officials blamed guns when police could not lower the violent crime rate. Now, he said he believes Daley is pushing the gun control issue to try to deflect attention from problems at City Hall.

"Once again Mayor Daley has launched an attack on the hunters, sportsmen, competitive shooters and law-abiding gun owners in the state of Illinois in order to deflect his inadequacy in controlling crime and corruption in his own administration," Vandermyde said.





Copyright 2006, The Associated Press

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Standing Wolf
January 5, 2006, 12:59 AM
Let me see whether I've got this straight, eh? The mayors of both Chicago and New York are demanding more leftist extremist so-called "gun control" laws, right?

What are they using for "evidence"? Where are their success stories?

Didn't think so.

whm1974
January 5, 2006, 04:01 AM
Another measure would require guns in a home with children under the age of 18 to be unloaded, disassembled and placed in a securely locked box, or be secured with a trigger lock that renders guns temporarily inoperable.

Just how would they enforce this?

Daley said he would most like to see passage of a law banning assault weapons in Illinois. They are currently illegal in Chicago.

Considing how many people who own firearms that could define as "assault weapons" this would be diffacult to get passed much less enforced.

The legislation which took effect Sunday requires background checks on potential firearms buyers at gun shows, closing a loophole that police and others contend has been exploited by gangs and other illegal buyers.


Details please.A FFL holder awalys has to do a background check weither he is at a gunshow or his place of busness. So what changed?

-Bill

sctman800
January 5, 2006, 04:34 AM
There never was a "gun show loophole" in Illinois, because even private sales at a show or not were illegal unless both seller and buyer possessed FOID cards. Now private sales made at a gun show have to go through the NICS, which actually goes through the Illinois State Police who keep the transaction record forever instead of it being destroyed. The ISRA tried to pass a bill that would have forced the state to destroy the records after 90 days by including the gun show loophole closing with it. After the bill passed our governor used his "line item veto" to remove the part requiring destruction of records and signed the loophole closing law.
I for one am not very proud of the ISRA on this blunder. I don't see how they could not have forseen this happening. Hopefully the ISRA will have learned from this what happens when they bargin away what we allready have.
No, I am not a member of the ISRA, I do belong to Champaign County Rifle Association because I believe CCRA is more representive of my beliefs as far as what we need in Illinois. Jim.

Janitor
January 5, 2006, 08:29 AM
Another measure would require guns in a home with children under the age of 18 to be unloaded, disassembled and placed in a securely locked box, or be secured with a trigger lock that renders guns temporarily inoperable.

Just how would they enforce this?
Most likely the same way the police will "protect" you in a crime. They deal with it after the fact. Somebody dies in your home with a firearm that wasn't legally secured, expect at least a manslaughter charge.
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HankB
January 5, 2006, 09:54 AM
IIRC, when Chicago passed their gun registration law under the original Mayor Daley, they actually put in an exemption for criminals, as a result of the Scotus Haynes decision back in 1968. :barf:

DonP
January 5, 2006, 11:51 AM
With more than half of his direct reports and friends currently under indictment or federal investigation he has to do something to distract the voters and media.

This is the same guy that got away with exercising eminent domain over another community when he took over part of Bensonville, against the will of the residents, to expand O'Hare airport. He bulldozed Meigs field in the middle of night, violating several federal laws in the process. His Millennium Park project went more than $500 million over budget and was three years late.

Now he wants to make a bid for the Olympics in 8 years, even though there isn't a staidum closer than South Bend (Notre Dame) that is large enough to hold the opening ceremonies. But with an Olympic Bid costing upwards of $45 million there will be plenty of big buck contracts to be awarded to his buddies.

Daley is a "bread and circuses" style dictator with a rubber stamp city council. The more dust and distraction he can throw in the air the less pressure on him and his cronies.

He knows that anything that is seen as anti gun will get big play in the local papers and broadcast outlets. The local media follow along like sheep any time he brings up gun control. Same with our "as yet to be indicted" governor Blago.

The only good news is that the downstate crowd have been able to keep them in check for the last three years. The ISRA got snookered last session when they tried to reach a "compromise" with the gun grabbers of Chicago and Blago threw the compromise out the window with a line item veto, IIRC. Don Gwinn and some of the other folks have been very active at the state house and have the whole story.

But the good news, IMNSHO, is Luis Guitierrez and Jesse Jackson Jr. are starting to look fondly at the 5th floor of City Hall now. They are both gun grabbers too, but they will split the Democrat vote in half between the Latino's and African-American contingents and lose a lot of the leverage Chicago now has downstate.

While they are wrestling in the mud with each other we may actually get a CCW passed.

SomeKid
January 5, 2006, 01:32 PM
This is the same guy that got away with exercising eminent domain over another community when he took over part of Bensonville, against the will of the residents, to expand O'Hare airport. He bulldozed Meigs field in the middle of night, violating several federal laws in the process. His Millennium Park project went more than $500 million over budget and was three years late.


How did he manage this trick? Seriously, I had never heard of such a stunt. Details?

DonP
January 5, 2006, 02:29 PM
O'Hare and the expressway that leads to it (Kennedy) are Chicago property.

Bensonville is the suburb immediately adjoining O'Hare on the South Side of it.

Daley got his pet Senators, Durbin (ptui!) and Obama (double ptui!!) and a few judges to go along with his land grab as a logical use of eminent domain. It's all for the good of the state/city (and his buddies) don't ya know?

It's still being contested in the courts but ... He's had construction crews out there and every time he gets a ruling in his favor they start digging and they don't stop until another judge issues an injunction.

In Daley's world view the peasants of Bensonsville aren't worth worrying about and eventually they will just get tired of the legal costs and just go away.

He even is forcing a cemetery to move. In Chicago moving dead people will affect the voting turn out for that precinct.

Richardson
January 5, 2006, 02:50 PM
Just how would they enforce this?

It's not about controlling crime, it's about killing shooting sports. They keep making it more & more difficult to own & use firearms, so it's harder to get people involved in the sports. It also virtually criminalizes defensive use of firearms by means of making it illegal to keep them available.

It will only be enforced "after the fact".... .... So if you call 911 and police or firemen find an accessible gun, or if the police have any reason to "look around" and they find it, you get a felony and never get to own another firearm.

Considing how many people who own firearms that could define as "assault weapons" this would be diffacult to get passed much less enforced.

Illinois is heavily democratic and very heavily guided by Chicago (i.e. Daley). Enforcement would be the same as what I wrote above, except for cases where there's a record of your purchase.

Details please.A FFL holder awalys has to do a background check weither he is at a gunshow or his place of busness. So what changed?

No private sales of firearms at gunshows.

Richardson
January 5, 2006, 02:54 PM
Daley got his pet Senators, Durbin (ptui!) and Obama (double ptui!!) and a few judges to go along with his land grab as a logical use of eminent domain. It's all for the good of the state/city (and his buddies) don't ya know?

Remember Republican Governor George Ryan. He started out saying that this was "immoral", "an outrage", a "no-go". Then Daley got to him, probably offering to keep Ryan's corruption a secret... ... All of a sudden Ryan says that it's a good idea....

In Illinois every politician should be presumed corrupt until 20 years after they're out of office.

SomeKid
January 5, 2006, 04:50 PM
Amazing.

So, he went out of his fiefdom, and into another city, under the guise of eminent domain?

I guess I shouldn't be surprised crews went along with it, <non-THR comment removed by Art>
Let me make a wild guess, nobody has rebelled against such blatant acts of aggression by a foreign power? (Daley, outside of Chicago).

Turkey Creek
January 5, 2006, 09:13 PM
I live ten miles across the mighty Mississippi from the Peoples Republik of Illinois- I think I know how the West Berliners felt when the wall was up- Such a short distance but a huge world of difference-

whm1974
January 6, 2006, 03:31 AM
It will only be enforced "after the fact".... .... So if you call 911 and police or firemen find an accessible gun, or if the police have any reason to "look around" and they find it, you get a felony and never get to own another firearm.

So this petty much makes a felon out of most gun owners then. Since most of us keeped a loaded gun out when we are home. Or have longarms on a gun rack.

-Bill

Edmond
January 6, 2006, 04:00 AM
Illinois will never get a CCW as long as Daley is in office. They'll never get to him. There are too many guys to take down before they get to him. My buddy lives in Chicago. He said that he went by city hall and saw the mayors office. He said there were about 6 guys outside of the office "looking like Secret Service." I'll bet they're armed...:rolleyes:

My proposition is that Chicago Police shouldn't be allowed to carry firearms. By the logic of Dick Daley, his gun ban takes guns out of the hands of criminals. Therefore, the criminals do not have guns so the police have no need for guns. Am I right?

fedlaw
January 6, 2006, 10:07 AM
My buddy lives in Chicago. He said that he went by city hall and saw the mayors office. He said there were about 6 guys outside of the office "looking like Secret Service." I'll bet they're armed...
The Little King is always surrounded by a number of CPD. Several months ago I had the audacity to walk on the same sidewalk as His Honor (sic) and the black-coated guys either had guns in their coat pockets or they were glad to see me.
My proposition is that Chicago Police shouldn't be allowed to carry firearms. By the logic of Dick Daley, his gun ban takes guns out of the hands of criminals. Therefore, the criminals do not have guns so the police have no need for guns. Am I right?
Of course you're right. But by that logic Chicago aldermen shouldn't be allowed to carry guns and we know that will never happen. BTW, not only do these Princes of the City carry guns, they are exempt from any training requirements, etc.

Drizzt
January 9, 2006, 02:48 AM
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Edmond
January 9, 2006, 05:03 PM
Of course you're right. But by that logic Chicago aldermen shouldn't be allowed to carry guns and we know that will never happen. BTW, not only do these Princes of the City carry guns, they are exempt from any training requirements, etc.

Do the citizens of Chicago know that their aldermen carry guns? The very guns that they're not even allowed to own!

All I know is that I'm voting for Oberweis, he is pro 2nd Amendment. It's not the answer to it all but it'll be a good start and a definite upgrade from that POS Blago.

Don Gwinn
January 9, 2006, 05:53 PM
Some know and couldn't care less.

Many have no idea.

Many more--the vast majority--don't know because they've never given it a thought, but if you showed them evidence that Dorothy Tillman or "Wild Bill" were gun-toting nutcases, they wouldn't admit to shock or dismay. That's just what Chicago politicians do. Chicago citizens pride themselves on their laughing tolerance for the foibles of their elected officials as long as the trains run on time.

DonP
January 9, 2006, 06:42 PM
I used to have a picture of Dorothy "The Hat & Gat" Tillman openly waving her Smith & Wesson around at a City Council session and lost it when I changed computers.

Don G is right. Most Chicago residents don't give a darn and have come ot accept corruption and poor services as a normal part of city life. They have accepted the mantra of "guns are evil" and we need to control them better.

The whole Ronyale White story two years ago was typical. The woman had a restraining order against her ex-husband. He repeatedly violated the RO and she dutifully reported it every time. When he called and told her he was going to kill her she called the cops. They finally came over 16 minutes later after two more 911 calls. The last one was when the 911 operator heard him break through her locked door and shoot her in her bedroom.

The news reports all focused on how evil it was that he had a gun and used oit to push for more legislation. Not one editorial ever focused on her right to defend herself, or how she had played by all of Daley's rules for being a good Chicago sheep.

Citizens of Chicago have come to expect second class status and serfdom as a normal part of their birthright. If your garbage gets picked up and your street gets plowed when it snows just shut up and be grateful.

Oh and make sure you vote in every election. Your Democratic precinct captain will drive you if you need a ride (or the encouragement) and make sure your kids have a baby sitter so you can vote.

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