CCW IN ********** HELP!


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Sierramistbush
January 5, 2006, 08:34 PM
I am a college student living in Sonoma county in northern California and I am attempting to apply for a CCW permit in the state. If anyone can help me with information on getting a CCW aside from applying directly to my city police department that would be great. I have only come across signs of rejection when trying to apply for a permit. The police representative tells me that the police don't want civilians/citizens to have handguns, and say that i don't have a good enough reason to carry, even though my reason is in the Constitution. What can I do to get a CCW!?!?!:banghead: :fire:

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dasmi
January 5, 2006, 08:35 PM
In Sonoma county, you're probably out of luck.
http://www.packing.org/state/california/

The Real Hawkeye
January 5, 2006, 08:38 PM
Carrying without a Permit/License
Date updated: Jul 29, 2005 @ 9:42 am

California law has a gray area, a de facto quasi-right-to-carry. The state law provides that carrying a concealed weapon (including a knife or blackjack) is a FELONY, however, a clear exception exists. If you are carrying a gun (not a knife!) AND it was legally purchased AND it is registered to you AND you are not a gang member (yes, there is a statutory definition of gang member) AND it is your first such arrest, then concealed carry is a misdemeanor. A typical fine is $200. -From Packing.orgIf carried correctly, the chance of being spotted by a cop is less than that of being struck by lightening. Better to be judged by 9 than carried by 6 pall bearers, especially since the worst possible case scenario is to be fined a couple of hundred bucks and have a misdemeanor on your record. The worst case scenario of not having a handgun is being killed because you needed it and didn't have it.

Sierramistbush
January 5, 2006, 08:48 PM
Is it possible for me to apply for a CCW in another county in ********** other than where I live, b/c Mendacino County is much easier to apply to, however, I don't live there...?:confused:

The Real Hawkeye
January 5, 2006, 08:51 PM
Is it possible for me to apply for a CCW in another county in ********** other than where I live, b/c Mendacino County is much easier to apply to, however, I don't live there...?:confused:I don't know, but I have heard of gun friendly sheriffs taking people on as auxiliary deputies, an unpaid position, with few if any real service duties. This action authorizes you to carry concealed any place in the state of California.

dasmi
January 5, 2006, 08:53 PM
No, you must apply in the county of your residence. If this wasn't the case, I'd have applied in Orange months ago :)

Sierramistbush
January 5, 2006, 08:56 PM
What exactly does county of residence imply? Can I say I live with a relative or friend in another county???

Standing Wolf
January 5, 2006, 09:00 PM
I haven't lived in the People's Republic of California since 2002, so I'm not fully up to speed on the latest laws, but it was my understanding that if one's arrested for carrying a concealed registered firearm, yes, it's a misdemeanor, all right, but a.) the firearm will be confiscated; b.) the fine will probably be substantial, and c.) one is prohibited by law from buying another firearm in the P.R.C. for ten years.

These matters are much more sensibly handled in the United States.

AF_INT1N0
January 5, 2006, 09:01 PM
Anyone know how far it is from Yolo county to Travis AFB???

I may have to move there and I don't want to get stuck in a crappy cop county...

Thefabulousfink
January 5, 2006, 09:03 PM
What exactly does county of residence imply? Can I say I live with a relative or friend in another county???

It usually means the county that the address on your drivers license is in.

If you don't have a license, it would be were the Gov has your residence, i.e. postal service, police, etc.

AF_INT1N0
January 5, 2006, 09:07 PM
What about Military.. I technically am a resident of Texas...

Though I would be living in whatever county is least Stalinist, that I can still afford to drive to work from..

Sierramistbush
January 5, 2006, 09:09 PM
When I applied for a drivers license, I just put down my new address without any proof to back that up...does that mean I can Make it a P.O. box in Mendecino County, or another friends house there???

UberPhLuBB
January 5, 2006, 09:12 PM
By the way, you are only allowed to carry in the location the permit was granted. If your police chief granted it, you can only carry in that city. If CHP granted it, you can only carry in their jurisdiction. If a county grants it, you can only carry in that county. Once you step out of the boundary, you're carrying illegally.

The Real Hawkeye
January 5, 2006, 09:14 PM
By the way, you are only allowed to carry in the location the permit was granted. If your police chief granted it, you can only carry in that city. If CHP granted it, you can only carry in their jurisdiction. If a county grants it, you can only carry in that county. Once you step out of the boundary, you're carrying illegally.Wow! That stinks. You might consider moving to the United States of America.

Sierramistbush
January 5, 2006, 09:20 PM
Do my 2nd amendment rights not apply when I enter california? I don't understand how I don't have the right to bear arms? If the police aren't required to protect me, who is???:confused:


Police have no legal duty to respond and prevent crime or protect the victim. There have BEEN OVER 10 various supreme and state court cases the individual has never won. Notably, the Supreme Court STATED about the responsibility of police for the security of your family and loved ones is "You, and only you, are responsible for your security and the security of your family and loved ones. That was the essence of a U.S. Supreme Court decision in the early 1980's when they ruled that the police do not have a duty to protect you as an individual, but to protect society as a whole."
http://publicrights.org/Kennesaw/PoliceResponsibility.html

Sierramistbush
January 5, 2006, 09:21 PM
whoops, bare arms...

dasmi
January 5, 2006, 09:26 PM
By the way, you are only allowed to carry in the location the permit was granted. If your police chief granted it, you can only carry in that city. If CHP granted it, you can only carry in their jurisdiction. If a county grants it, you can only carry in that county. Once you step out of the boundary, you're carrying illegally.
I do not believe this is correct. I am pretty sure a CCW permit is good statewide.

The Real Hawkeye
January 5, 2006, 09:33 PM
whoops, bare arms...You have a right to bare arms, but in the winter you are liable to get chilly. :neener:

Sierramistbush
January 5, 2006, 09:45 PM
Section 7 of the CCW license application it states the Investigator's Interview Notes:

If the CCW licnese is desired for self-protection, the protection of others, or for the protection of large sums of money or valuable property, you are required to explain and provide good cause for issuance of the license. For example, has your life or property been threatened or jeopardized? Explain incidents and include dates, times, locations, and names of police agencies to which these incidents were reported.

Details of Reason for Applicant Desiring a CCW License:

Ummmm...isn't the 2nd amendment good enough reason??? I'm a student, and have never been directly threatened to the point to where I've made a police report, however, i have been in situations where my life should be protected...everyday life...it's not fairyland out in the real world, and there aren't enough police officers to be my personal bodyguard everywhere I go...If anyone has good reasons for having a CCW that I may use in my application that would we great, b/c according to the City of Rohnert Park, the United States Constitution isn't important.

The Real Hawkeye
January 5, 2006, 09:50 PM
Section 7 of the CCW license application it states the Investigator's Interview Notes:

If the CCW licnese is desired for self-protection, the protection of others, or for the protection of large sums of money or valuable property, you are required to explain and provide good cause for issuance of the license. For example, has your life or property been threatened or jeopardized? Explain incidents and include dates, times, locations, and names of police agencies to which these incidents were reported.

Details of Reason for Applicant Desiring a CCW License:

Ummmm...isn't the 2nd amendment good enough reason??? I'm a student, and have never been directly threatened to the point to where I've made a police report, however, i have been in situations where my life should be protected...everyday life...it's not fairyland out in the real world, and there aren't enough police officers to be my personal bodyguard everywhere I go...If anyone has good reasons for having a CCW that I may use in my application that would we great, b/c according to the City of Rohnert Park, the United States Constitution isn't important.I wouldn't look to the Federal Government for the protection of your right to keep and bear arms. We have trouble enough keeping them from disarming us entirely.

But I will help you out. SierraMistBush, if you post here again, I will beat you to within an inch of your life. There, now you have a reason for wanting a handgun license the police will recognize.

Sierramistbush
January 5, 2006, 09:56 PM
If you insist...but now the ATF is going to raid your house...jk...what aobut if I decided to run for public office...would that give me a good enough reason to be issued a CCW??? I could always just run for something in Rohnert Park..?

CAnnoneer
January 5, 2006, 10:03 PM
I asked LAPD cops about CCW and they basically told me to forget about it. Apparently, the hoops and hurdles are long and well-constructed. They also worded their discouragement quite curiously:

"You have to convince us that you need it."

Since when does one have to convince others to allow him to exercise his constitutional rights that supposedly are not to be infringed?

:barf:

No_Brakes23
January 5, 2006, 10:16 PM
You have a right to bare arms, but in the winter you are liable to get chilly. :neener:

http://www.bustedtees.com/images/secondamendment.356.gallery_normal.jpg

yucaipa
January 5, 2006, 10:29 PM
Yes, you must live in the same county you apply in. They check and can arrest you for lying on your application.

No,you can't give a P.O. Box as your address.


Yes, your permit is good state wide, the issuing agency can put "restrictions" on your permit, about 95 % of permits in Ca have no restrictions except the one you are "verbally" told when you get your permit it varies from agency,but things like no hiring out to 3rd party's-under the influence alcohol drugs etc.

Every County Sheriff/City Chief of police has authority to NOT honor your permit in THEIR jurisdiction, this is a very very rare occurrence.


Good Luck.

ocjared
January 5, 2006, 10:35 PM
California CCW is a statewide licence, just like every other state. If the issuing authority in your area issues you a CCW, then you are legal to carry anywhere in the state. (Other than place you are specifically denied access by state and federal law). There is no loophole in the residency requirement. You must apply with the issuing authority in your area.

Gordon
January 5, 2006, 10:53 PM
Well I just went with the premise that the kali system is corrupt;) ,


"I don't know, but I have heard of gun friendly sheriffs taking people on as auxiliary deputies, an unpaid position, with few if any real service duties. This action authorizes you to carry concealed any place in the state of California."

So true , even if their NOT gun friendly publicly,

I spend one day every 60 days in the Arms Room cleaning guns repairing range equipt ect. and I have to qualify and stand muster twice a year with my personally bought uniform and equiptment. I have to remember lots of people on Christmas though, getting back to the original premise.:evil:

My CCW is actually good state wide (unless in some moron place like SF or West Hollywood maybe)

The Real Hawkeye
January 5, 2006, 10:57 PM
If you insist...but now the ATF is going to raid your house...jk...what aobut if I decided to run for public office...would that give me a good enough reason to be issued a CCW??? I could always just run for something in Rohnert Park..?Yes, run for a post on your county legislature, and have as the centerpiece of your platform that you adamantly oppose all forms of buggery and hobgoblinism. That ought to get you a few death threats. :neener:

Larryect
January 5, 2006, 11:16 PM
California CCW is a statewide licence, just like every other state. If the issuing authority in your area issues you a CCW, then you are legal to carry anywhere in the state. (Other than place you are specifically denied access by state and federal law). There is no loophole in the residency requirement. You must apply with the issuing authority in your area.


The only loophole I can think of is: You can apply with the Sheriff's office of your county if the city turns you down. However, they don't usually like to ruffle feathers and will give the same answer as the city or send you back to the city for approval.


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Gordon
January 5, 2006, 11:21 PM
Hey I got a GREAT IDEA: Start taking administration of justice classes and become an LEO!!!!!!!:evil:

We need a whole lot more of people like you! You will be a "prince of the city" and it is a real good job security wise, and you get enough OT to pay pretty darn good too!;)

UberPhLuBB
January 5, 2006, 11:45 PM
Every County Sheriff/City Chief of police has authority to NOT honor your permit in THEIR jurisdiction, this is a very very rare occurrence.

Oops, ok I got it backwards then. Sorry for the confusion.

Sierramistbush
January 6, 2006, 06:25 AM
What good reasons could I give that would allow me to get a CCW issued to me? I'm a college student with a part time job...? I still have a right to defend myself...don't I?:confused:

yucaipa
January 6, 2006, 10:41 AM
In almost all (I said most) Ca counties putting down self-defense/2ndA will get you rejected.

You will need to research to find out what qualifies as good cause in your county/city.

EOD Guy
January 6, 2006, 12:33 PM
By the way, you are only allowed to carry in the location the permit was granted. If your police chief granted it, you can only carry in that city. If CHP granted it, you can only carry in their jurisdiction. If a county grants it, you can only carry in that county. Once you step out of the boundary, you're carrying illegally.

That is not true. A CCW permit issued by any law enforcement agency where you reside is valid in the entire state. The one exception is for a license that was issued on the basis of a business you owned in a different county. In that case, the permit is only valid in the county in which your business is located. However, the issuing authority may place restrictions on the permit (most don't).

Also, the CHP does not issue CCW permits.

wolf
January 6, 2006, 02:26 PM
i called the local PD re: CCW..they actually laughed.."we haven't given one in over 10 yrs.."

do i have a good reason for wanting one...i live in an area that is gang territory..shootings and retaliation on a regular basis..:cuss:

if the police chief/sheriff does not want to issue..they wont..its more political than 2A..from my point of view..politics will destroy the constitution every time..

wolf

MrTuffPaws
January 6, 2006, 03:31 PM
What good reasons could I give that would allow me to get a CCW issued to me? I'm a college student with a part time job...? I still have a right to defend myself...don't I?:confused:


Well, living in Sac county, I feel your pain, but in all honesty, you are pretty screwed. Not only do you live in a county that does not grant many CCWs, you are a college student, and that implies that you will be on campus, which, with a gun, is a huge no no.

All in all, like me, you have no (in the eyes of the law) legitimate reason to carry. You don't carry large sums of cash, you are not a target of harassment, you don't carry valuable good, etc....

Sorry to say, but our lives are worth less than a couple of grand in someone's pocket. Nice to know.

Oh, and BTW, don't apply if you think you will get turned down because in the future, if you move to another county, they may have a rule stating that if you were turned down for any reason on a prior application for a CCW, you automatically fail in the new county. Several counties I have looked at have that clause. Even nicer to know, right?

Man, I wish I still lived in Tehama couty.

AF_INT1N0
January 7, 2006, 02:24 PM
How easy is it to become a reserve deputy????

And where is a good place to apply??

Additionally are most of the Sherriff Pro Military or does that count against you??

Gordon
January 7, 2006, 09:57 PM
Police depts. are more apt to put you on as a reservist than MOST sherrifs dept. Expect to serve in an un paid position part time once in a while for at least a year while they size you up. Then if you want to get sworn so you have a LEO CCW (and powers of arrest) you have to have taken the State required powers of arrest classes (about 12 units) available in all community colleges AND passed a State approved firearms class (which are given a various locations thru out the state ) OR have gone to POST academy(not all those who go to POST are LEOs ,yet!)which is at least 4 weeks and $$$ if the dept is not sending you!
I was once a sworn federal agent so was exempt from above.
So take the power's of arrest classes while you put in your new guy time and get to know your fellow LEOs and they you! THEN apply for a CCW and watch the iron gates of Calif. swing open!;)

PressCheck
January 8, 2006, 05:09 PM
By the way, you are only allowed to carry in the location the permit was granted. If your police chief granted it, you can only carry in that city. If CHP granted it, you can only carry in their jurisdiction. If a county grants it, you can only carry in that county. Once you step out of the boundary, you're carrying illegally.


That is not true. My CCW is valid in the entire State.

Capital Punishment
January 8, 2006, 05:17 PM
You're in California. Forget it.

carp killer
January 8, 2006, 06:01 PM
The police representative tells me that the police don't want civilians/citizens to have handguns, and say that i don't have a good enough reason to carry, even though my reason is in the Constitution.


What a B.S. reply. I thought LEO's swear to uphold the United States Constitution. What an ???????!:fire:

Mark in California
January 8, 2006, 07:41 PM
First you have to apply. For me it was a 7 year process. But I prevailed and was finally issued a CCW. I was still in college and worked as a burger cook.

I had verbal arguments with the Captain about my ability to carry a weapon concealed. Current law allows you to carry a firearm concealed if you are going to or coming back from ...hunting, fishing,... HOWEVER THE WEAPON MUST BE UNLOADED AND YOU MUST NOT HAVE ANY AMMO ON YOUR PERSON OR WITHIN REACH.

First, read the law. It is the 12000 section of the Penal Code. Then apply to the Sherriff Department and ask for a interview with the Sherriff.

I have had a CCW for over 25 years now. The man I had a argument with removed all restrictions from my permit two years later. Always request a interview. That way you not just a application, but a person. Let them look you in the eyes and explain themselves.

I had heard our police department never issued permits. However I tried. When I received my permit, I was the only new permit issued that year, with restrictions you would not beleave. Two years later they were all removed.

yucaipa
January 8, 2006, 08:28 PM
For me it was a 7 year process. But I prevailed and was finally issued a CCW.

May be some day you'll start a thread And tell the story,I'll bet it's something to read.:D

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