Robertson suggests God smote Sharon


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rick_reno
January 5, 2006, 08:09 PM
Looks like Pat is off his meds again.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/01/05/robertson.sharon/index.html

(CNN) -- Television evangelist Pat Robertson suggested Thursday that Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon's stroke was divine retribution for the Israeli withdrawal from Gaza, which Robertson opposed.

"He was dividing God's land, and I would say, 'Woe unto any prime minister of Israel who takes a similar course to appease the [European Union], the United Nations or the United States of America,'" Robertson told viewers of his long-running television show, "The 700 Club."

"God says, 'This land belongs to me, and you'd better leave it alone,'" he said.

Robertson's show airs on the ABC Family cable network and claims about 1 million viewers daily.

Sharon, 77, clung to life in a Jerusalem hospital Thursday after surgery to treat a severe stroke, his doctors said.

The prime minister, who withdrew Israeli settlers and troops from Gaza and parts of the West Bank last summer over heated objections from his own Likud Party, was breathing with the aid of a ventilator after doctors operated to stop the bleeding in his brain.

In Washington, President Bush offered praise for Sharon in a speech on Thursday.

"We pray for his recovery," Bush said. "He's a good man, a strong man. A man who cared deeply about the security of the Israeli people, and a man who had a vision for peace. May God bless him."

Daniel Ayalon, Israel's ambassador to the United States, compared Robertson's remarks to the overheated rhetoric of Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. (Full story)

He called the comments "outrageous" and said they were not something to expect "from any of our friends."

"He is a great friend of Israel and a great friend of Prime Minister Sharon himself, so I am very surprised," Ayalon told CNN.

Robertson, 75, founded the Christian Coalition and in 1988 failed in a bid for the Republican presidential nomination. He last stirred controversy in August, when he called for the assassination of Venezuela's president, Hugo Chavez. (Full story)

Robertson later apologized, but still compared Chavez to Hitler and former Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein in the process.

The same month, the Anti-Defamation League criticized Robertson for warning that God would "bring judgment" against Israel for its withdrawal from Gaza, which it had occupied since the 1967 Mideast war.

Robertson said Thursday that Sharon was "a very likable person, and I am sad to see him in this condition."

He linked Sharon's health problems to the 1995 assassination of Israeli leader Yitzhak Rabin, who signed the Oslo peace accords that granted limited self-rule to Palestinians.

"It was a terrible thing that happened, but nevertheless, now he's dead," Robertson said.

Rabin was gunned down by a religious student opposed to the Oslo accords. The killer, Yigal Amir, admitted to the crime and was sentenced to life in prison.

Rev. Barry Lynn, executive director of Americans United for Separation of Church and State, criticized Robertson's comments Thursday, saying the televangelist "has a political agenda for the entire world."

"He seems to think God is ready to take out any world leader who stands in the way of that agenda," Lynn said in a written statement.

"A religious leader should not be making callous political points while a man is struggling for his life," he said. "I'm appalled."

Ralph Neas, president of liberal advocacy group People for the American Way, said "it is astonishing that Pat Robertson still wields substantial influence" in the Republican Party.

"Once again, Pat Robertson leaves us speechless with his insensitivity and arrogance," Neas said in a written statement.

According to The Associated Press, Robertson spokeswoman Angell Watts said of people who criticized the comments: "What they're basically saying is, 'How dare Pat Robertson quote the Bible?'"

"This is what the word of God says," Watts told the AP. "This is nothing new to the Christian community."

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1 old 0311
January 5, 2006, 08:13 PM
Just when you think this clown can't say ANYTHING else stupid he strikes again.

Kevin

Atticus
January 5, 2006, 08:26 PM
Just when you think this clown can't say ANYTHING else stupid he strikes again.

Isn't that the truth! I'll give him one thing...he's consistant.

Winzeler
January 5, 2006, 08:29 PM
If this nutjob makes it to heaven, I'd say he's in for some big surprises.
James 3:1-12 (http://www.biblestudytools.net/OnlineStudyBible/bible.cgi?passage=jas+3:5&version=csb&context=1&showtools=1)

swifter
January 5, 2006, 08:49 PM
Poor Pat. I guess it wasn't his turn to use the brain...:rolleyes:

Tom

shermacman
January 5, 2006, 08:51 PM
God has smote a leader of Israel?

Goodnight Pat.

Waitone
January 5, 2006, 08:53 PM
Who says politicians have a monopoly on stoopidity. A completely unnecessary comment.

Turkey Creek
January 5, 2006, 08:57 PM
Does this clown really believe what he says?- Super scary because I think he does- What a whacko :what:

SouthpawShootr
January 5, 2006, 08:58 PM
:rolleyes: He's got a real talent for nonsense. Hardly the shining example of a Christian.

Gun Geezer
January 5, 2006, 09:00 PM
God has smote a leader of Israel?

Goodnight Pat.

The books of Kings and Chronicles list numerous rulers of Israel and Judah whom God smote for not being obiedient, not following His way, etc.

If He did strike Sharon, then he would not be the first leader to fall by God's hand.

Edit to add a quote from Kings 16 - God speaking of Baasha, King of Israel:

"I lifted you up from the dust and made you leader of my people Israel, but you walked in the ways of Jeroboam and caused my people Israel to sin and to provoke me to anger by their sins. So I am about to consume Baasha and his house, and I will make your house like that of Jeroboam son of Nebat. Dogs will eat those belonging to Baasha who die in the city, and the birds of the air will feed on those who die in the country".

I wonder if giving land to the terriorists has made God angry with Sharon? Not saying it did, but it sure fits a pattern going back thousands of years.

cloudkiller
January 5, 2006, 09:23 PM
... that suddenly you have an explanation for why bad things happen to those who defy God, but not those who don't.

Did Reagan suffer an assasination attempt for incurring God's wrath by siding with right-wing dictators in Latin America? Or for not opposing communism strongly enough? Or for opposing it too strongly?

Robertson's reasoning is the same inane logic that people use when saying that Aids wsa caused by God to kill homosexuals. Billions more people die of horrible illnesses for no reason, along with many innocent victims of Aids (children, etc). We don't have a divine explanation for those, but we do for some of them based on our own political/cultural/ideological predisposition.

IMO, Robertson's statements are unforgivable, particularly given that much of the fuel for terrorist fervor in the Middle East will dissipate if the Israeli-Palestinian conflict can de-escalate over time.

STAGE 2
January 5, 2006, 09:24 PM
While it might not be timely or tactful, what about what Robertson said is biblically incorrect?

GhostRider66
January 5, 2006, 09:28 PM
Interesting thing is that my Jewish friend at work was saying the exact same thing to me today. His opinion was that Sharon had betrayed Israel by giving away Gaza and that most Jews would agree that this was G-d's way of telling him so.

Rembrandt
January 5, 2006, 09:41 PM
There was also the comparison with the destruction of Sodom & Gomorha (cities of sin) and what happened to New Orleans.....I'd say that's a pretty fair analogy....

davec
January 5, 2006, 09:44 PM
Wow. So when elderly persons with medical conditions that increase their risk factors for strokes actually have strokes, it's not because they're old and predisposed to having strokes, its because the angry man in the clouds smote them.

Got it.

Oh Thomas Jefferson, where are ye?

Gun Geezer
January 5, 2006, 10:05 PM
... that suddenly you have an explanation for why bad things happen to those who defy God, but not those who don't.

Did Reagan suffer an assasination attempt for incurring God's wrath by siding with right-wing dictators in Latin America? Or for not opposing communism strongly enough? Or for opposing it too strongly?

Robertson's reasoning is the same inane logic that people use when saying that Aids wsa caused by God to kill homosexuals. Billions more people die of horrible illnesses for no reason, along with many innocent victims of Aids (children, etc). We don't have a divine explanation for those, but we do for some of them based on our own political/cultural/ideological predisposition.

IMO, Robertson's statements are unforgivable, particularly given that much of the fuel for terrorist fervor in the Middle East will dissipate if the Israeli-Palestinian conflict can de-escalate over time.

I did not offer an explanation. I simply relate that IF God did strike Sharon then it does fit the pattern he established for dealing with many fallen rulers of His people Israel. I would think this is beyond dispute. Granted Sharon is rather old and had been in ill health and this stroke may have been (was?) due totally to his age etc. We have no way of knowing for certain either way.

On the other hand, God does judge people and nations. He has been doing so through recorded history. I see no reason for Him to stop now.

The terrorist fervor in the Middle East will NOT dissipate over time. The terriorists will not stop until Israel is uterly destroyed. There will be no peace until Jesus returns and makes it so. Murder, slaughter, and mayehm will grow increasingly worse until then. This is not pessimism but prophecy. All efforts at peace and apeasement of terriorists will fail.

Gun Geezer
January 5, 2006, 10:11 PM
While it might not be timely or tactful, what about what Robertson said is biblically incorrect?

I am no scholar, please explain. What did Robertson say that was biblically incorrect? Scripture reference would be appreciated.

Not trying to pick a fight, just want to learn from others.

rbernie
January 5, 2006, 10:20 PM
Pat needs to read his Proverbs, starting with 10:19.....

Winzeler
January 5, 2006, 10:25 PM
Anyone defending (or at least excusing) Robertsons statement needs to read the book of Job to see how fiercly God rebuked Job's friends (to the point of threatening their lives) for suggesting to Job that God had harmed Job for something he had done wrong. Robertson is modeling Job's three friends, and based on Job 42, (7 After the Lord had finished speaking to Job, He said to Eliphaz the Temanite: "I am angry with you and your two friends, for you have not spoken the truth about Me, as My servant Job has. 8 Now take seven bulls and seven rams, go to My servant Job, and offer a burnt offering for yourselves. Then My servant Job will pray for you. I will surely accept his [prayer] and not deal with you as your folly deserves. For you have not spoken the truth about Me, as My servant Job has."), I'd say Robertson has crossed a line.

Gun Geezer
January 5, 2006, 10:38 PM
Anyone defending (or at least excusing) Robertsons statement needs to read the book of Job to see how fiercly God rebuked Job's friends (to the point of threatening their lives) for suggesting to Job that God had harmed Job for something he had done wrong. Robertson is modeling Job's three friends, and based on Job 42, (7 After the Lord had finished speaking to Job, He said to Eliphaz the Temanite: "I am angry with you and your two friends, for you have not spoken the truth about Me, as My servant Job has. 8 Now take seven bulls and seven rams, go to My servant Job, and offer a burnt offering for yourselves. Then My servant Job will pray for you. I will surely accept his [prayer] and not deal with you as your folly deserves. For you have not spoken the truth about Me, as My servant Job has."), I'd say Robertson has crossed a line.

Your reference is a good analogy to this situation. Job's friends were wrong in their assumptions and statements and were thus rebuked by God.

We do not know if Robertson is incorrect or not in this current event. We have no way to know. Perhaps if Robertson is rebuked (or not) in like manner we will know?

I would agree that Robertson (and we) had better be pretty darn sure of himself (ourselves) before he (we) says things like this. I have watched and prayed with him for years and IMHO he is pretty well in tune with the Lord. By no means perfect. However, I am in no position to judge the truth of his remarks regarding Sharon.

Interesting times we live in. Now sit back and watch what the Lord does next!

Gun Geezer
January 5, 2006, 10:42 PM
Pat needs to read his Proverbs, starting with 10:19.....

Ah yes, "better to hold ones tongue and be thought a fool than to loose it and prove it to all!"

I have a little trouble with that myself from time to time!

XLMiguel
January 5, 2006, 10:44 PM
Lord, preserve me from your followers.:uhoh:

Art Eatman
January 5, 2006, 10:49 PM
Way, way OT for THR...

Art

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