First time with the .45


January 2, 2003, 05:39 PM
Prior to today, I had only tried out a .380 and a 9mm- My dad had me convinced that .45's would surely jump out of my hand and hit an innocent bystander or that the explosion would blow out of my ear drums. After all these months of 1911 praisings I was subject to in TFL and here, I just HAD to try one out. Being a small guy (by small, I'm talking 5'3), I didn't think I could handle a full size 1911, so the guy suggested a Kimber model- I believe it was the Ultra Carry but I do not recall for sure, but it fit snug into my hands and it wasn't much bigger than my dad's Walther PPK/S. I loved the feel of it and it shot great. There were a few times when a new round failed to load (most likely because I was limp-wristing, could someone explain what exactly limp wristing is? I've only heard of the term), but after a few rounds, I had no problems and I was beginning to get a pretty tight group. To put it breifly, I loved it to death! It was such a big contrast to the small bang of the .380 and now I can join the other people when they talk about how great the 1911s are. I just had to share with everyone :-D

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January 2, 2003, 05:44 PM
:) :evil:

January 2, 2003, 05:49 PM
I have a Kimber as well (Classic Custom model) and I love mine too. Glad to hear you're liking your 1911. :D

4v50 Gary
January 2, 2003, 05:52 PM
Too many old legends persist about the 45 ACP. It is neither a guaranteed 1 shot stopper that will flip a person around nor is it a gun that will spin the shooter 180 degrees. Like most everything else, the truth is somewhere in between. Thanks for ignoring the fables and seeking the truth for yourself. BTW, once you've turned to the dark side of the 1911, there's no turning back. ;)

January 2, 2003, 05:53 PM
Knives, I didn't buy it- I just rented it. Now, if I could only find 1020 bucks lying around.. *checks under the couch* :p

January 2, 2003, 05:56 PM
D'oh! Better check my glasses. :D

January 2, 2003, 06:00 PM
I must have missed it, I'm a 5'2 woman. What was the recoil like on the .45? Gentle or a strong blast?

January 2, 2003, 06:04 PM
2 Mastrogiacomo
The recoil was actually quite fun! Strangely enough, it felt really snug and comfortable and I had a blast! My dad's .380 has a tendency to bite into the web of my hand and leave a red mark, but the .45 was very comfortable and it didn't hurt my hand at all like I thought I would. Honestly, I was afraid the gun would leap out of my hand, but it was nothing like that at all. As far as recoil's concerned, it felt the same as the .380.

January 2, 2003, 06:04 PM
In my opinion the recoil of a .45 isn't that bad at all. I'm not a big guy, only 5'10 and about 130 pounds and it doesn't toss me around enough to worry about.

January 2, 2003, 06:06 PM
"limp wristing" is when you absorb too much of the guns recoil with your arms and/or wrist. In other words, you let the gun come back towards your body too much when it fires. The recoil is what shoves the slide back on the frame, so if the whole gun moves too much then the slide/frame interaction is limited.

This is a poor description by a revolver guy, but nobody else answered your question yet.

I've never had that problem when shooting semi-auto pistols, but the first time I fired a 1911, I squeezed the mag release accidently with my thumb and it failed to grab a cartridge from the mag (luckily the mag didn't fall clean out on the ground).

January 2, 2003, 06:17 PM
Recoil of the .45 is more of a 'push' backward than a 'snap'.... helps to be gripping the gun correctly. I prefer the recoil of the .45 to that of the 9mm.

January 2, 2003, 06:19 PM

January 2, 2003, 06:24 PM
From a woman's point of view, I think the 9mm is one of the best in recoil. I HATE my .38!!:fire: However, my Berettas are a dream. Looking forward to buying a Cougar in a .45 after hearing about the smoothness.:D

January 2, 2003, 06:25 PM
'nuther one addicted :cool:

January 2, 2003, 06:38 PM
Yup. You're ruined now! Ain't no goin' back. BAAAAAAAD addiction. I feel 'sorry' for ya!


Neal Bloom
January 2, 2003, 06:44 PM
In my youth I remember people telling me that the .45 could break your wrist if you fired one handed. When I finally shot one I was surprised at how easily I could handle the recoil. Not as snappy as the 9mm, easier to control the weapon.

January 2, 2003, 06:57 PM
I don't know if it's the male syndrome at work, but there were the two boxes, one of 380s and another of .45s.. I was staring at both of them, and I picked the .45 without reluctance. When I first opened the box of 45, I was just staring at it in disbelief- Now I see when people mean when they say a .45 will STOP a man in one shot :evil: Since I've shot it, I'm itching to try it again sometime. By god I'm hooked, but I don't mind at all.

Mastrogiacomo, perhaps you should rent one and see if you do like it :-)

Oh yes, I also forgot to mention this, but my cousin also came along. Although he's in his early-twenties now, he had never fired a real gun before. Needlessly to say, he was quick to save a few shells as souvenirs and also took the paper target home. He really seemed to enjoy shooting the .45 as opposed to the .380. Better late than never :D :evil:

January 2, 2003, 07:13 PM
Welcome to the world of 1911's. :D :evil: Nothing like shooting 230 Grs of Hardball through a hand cannon. :)

Dave R
January 2, 2003, 07:22 PM
Here's another try at explaining limp-wristing.

When you shoot a semi-auto, the recoil pushes the slide back to eject the spent round and strip a new round from the magazine. The slide has to move all the way back to do that properly. The pistol must be held fairly firmly for the slide to make that trip back & forth.

If you hold the gun loosely, and it moves too much, Then the recoil just pushes the gun around in your hand, and the slide won't make the trip all the way, and either the spent round won't be ejected, or the new round won't be picked up.

Hope that makes sense.

Anyway, a semi-auto pistol needs to be held fairly firmly in order to function properly. Some are more sensitive to this than others.

January 2, 2003, 07:29 PM
Thank you for the explanation- I've never had this problem with the Walther and it was very foreign to me. I found I could fix the problem by pushing the slide forward a little.

January 2, 2003, 07:33 PM
That ultra carry sized gun is the nastiest of all the 45 types too. Rent a full sized gun next time, it is even less sharp than the one you shot. The smaller the 1911 the more sensitive it is to limp wristing too. A full size is more tolerant of it.

January 2, 2003, 07:34 PM
HSmith, the only thing is, I had very small hands and I do not know if my hands could grip the gun comfortably.

January 2, 2003, 07:37 PM
I've shot my Berettas with my NRA instructor. They go off without a hitch but for me they jam. He says I'm letting it jump upwards and I need to hold it steady. The bullet comes up through the chamber and jams every time. I've got to drop the mag and rack the gun every third or four shot. I've yet to shoot it one after another without flaws...:(

January 2, 2003, 07:42 PM
I've never had any problems with the Walther. I always hear people talking about how it jams, but I have yet to see the gun jam on me. Maybe I'm just lucky :D

January 2, 2003, 07:42 PM
Unique thing about the 1911 is it so ergo designed that it fits so many shooters. BHP have this character also.

I shot my 1st 1911 in around the 2nd grade--been hooked since.

Many small hands can shoot this design better than any other.
Lady friends shoots one, 5'1, 108 # sopping wet, prefers the full size, carries a 4".

January 2, 2003, 07:43 PM
Sounds like I know what I'm going to rent the next time I make a trip to the range :evil:

January 2, 2003, 07:54 PM
most Instructor refer to the pressure needed to hold the pistol as a FIRM hand shake (from a man), you don't want to try and crush the frame, but you dont want it to move back much either, if you allow the pistol to move backwards too far, you will remove the slides energy, short barreled 1911s are more prone to limpwristing than a full size so if you want to shoot a 1911, shoot a full size they shoot easier anyway,
I fired my first 1911 when I was very young maybe 60-70 lbs and while the pistol moved around a little in my scrawny arms it was in no way abusive,
Yohan the size of your hand will not matter as far as frame size goes that refers to the length of the frame not reach or diameter
try a 5" you will find them even sweeter, than the ultra concelement jobs welcome to the fold:cool:

January 2, 2003, 10:09 PM
so does this mean that full size Kimbers are only different in the frame length and not the actual grip? I found the grip to be more comfortable than the Walther-

January 2, 2003, 10:40 PM

January 2, 2003, 11:15 PM
If this is the Dark Side, I don't want to go near the light side again! :evil:

January 2, 2003, 11:35 PM
Yohan; if you put calipers on an ultra, pro carry, or Target model Kimbers, you would find them Identical for width (grip panel to grip panel) and the reach ( front to rear) reading will be the same, and I am not sure but I believe the trigger length will be identical as well.
The difference is how many rounds they will hold, the ultra will hold 1 rd less than the Pro Carry or full size,and the frame is shortened by that margin, IE more or the handle will stick out the bottom of your hand when shooting a PC or 5".
I prefer 5" guns some people (a lot of people) prefer the 4" pistols
they will both fire about the same but are not as temperamental as the ultra (which is a very reliable pistol but less forgiving of limpwristing).
you can get thin grips, and shorter length triggers, and arched or angled mainspring housings, plus different styles of grip safeties to perfectly taylor the pistol to your hand (if it is not already a perfect fit).:cool:

January 2, 2003, 11:46 PM
I will definately be trying out the full size 1911s next time. Since I've got 5 years until I can legally own and carry a hand gun, I've got a lot of time to prepare. Being 5'3, I think carrying a full size 1911 would be a tad bit out of my range, but I'm sure I could carry the smaller types. I was very surprised at how small the .45 was. Always had an impression they were hand cannons :evil:
"Oh yeah- the recoil's enough to knock the gun off of your hands!"

another okie
January 5, 2003, 10:51 AM
With training anyone can shoot any handgun. My first handgun was a Glock in .40, a very lighweight gun for that caliber. I had no training and had trouble controlling. Now that I've had a little training in how to hold the gun and how to stand I think it would be no problem.

I also think handgun design has a lot to do with perceived recoil.

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