Few Drawn to Illegal Immigration Protests


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rick_reno
January 8, 2006, 07:32 PM
How many of you were at one of these protests?

http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/01/07/D8F09FAG2.html

Illegal immigration protests organized across the country Saturday drew small numbers, and some were outnumbered and out-shouted by those who support immigrant rights.

The so-called "Stop the Invasion" protests were organized in 19 states, demanding the government increase border security and penalize employers who hire illegal workers.

"We are keeping the debate on illegal immigration in the forefront of the American consciousness," said Joseph Turner of Save Our State, who was among about two dozen protesters who waved American flags outside a home-supply store in a Los Angeles suburb.

But Turner's group in Glendale was surrounded by more than 100 drum- beating supporters who chanted, "Racists go home." The two groups traded shouts and obscene gestures for more than an hour. One man was arrested for assault, police said.

In Farmingville, N.Y., where immigration-related violence erupted several times in recent years, only about a dozen protesters showed up and argued against the growing number of day laborers on eastern Long Island.

Paul Streitz, who organized the demonstrations, said members believe illegal immigrants are taking jobs from citizens while driving down property values.

"This is not a racist thing," said Daniel Anastasia, 46, a construction worker from Westchester, N.Y. "We pay taxes, they don't. I get paid what the union says. The contractor pays them cash. It's not fair to me."

In Framingham, Mass., near Boston, a small group protesting illegal immigration was met by a much larger group of counter-demonstrators, some of whom surrounded them and temporarily disrupted the protest.

"What they are doing is just harassing people who are out here to go to work every day, and they're doing it in a hateful manner, which is against everything this country stands for," said Manuel Olivera, pastor of the nearby New Life Presbyterian Community Church.

In Danbury, Conn., about 50 people calling themselves the Connecticut Citizens for Immigration Control spent about two hours chanting and holding signs that read "Arrest Illegal Employers." Several dozen people held a counterprotest across the street.

In Las Vegas, John Holiday, 43, and his son, Conner, 9, held signs near a convenience store where undocumented workers are picked up by employers. The boy, who held a sign that read "Our lawmakers encourage lawbreaking," said illegal immigration has divided the country.

"Do you think the problem will be over when I grow up?" Conner asked.

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longeyes
January 8, 2006, 08:03 PM
I wasn't aware of anything local. The only purpose of these local protests at this point is to make manifest the unruly and threatening behavior of the pro-illegal alien supporters. We need to be thinking on a national scale at this point.

TexasRifleman
January 8, 2006, 08:07 PM
I'm not surprised that there was a low turnout protesting illegal immigration in, of all places, Danbury, CT. I'm sure they have a huge border issue there :rolleyes:

That's really taking the issue to the source huh?

Have one in south Texas and see what you get. Or San Diego.

longeyes
January 8, 2006, 08:24 PM
The reality is that ordinary middle-class folks with family are intimidated by the thugs from the pro-illegal groups that attend these meetings. Does it have to get to thuggery versus thuggery? Blame this climate of fear and anger on the Federal Government.

odysseus
January 8, 2006, 10:24 PM
The reality is that ordinary middle-class folks with family are intimidated by the thugs from the pro-illegal groups that attend these meetings. Does it have to get to thuggery versus thuggery?

Yes, the typical "popular" view held by many Americans is the "liberal" driven fear that if they come out and support these causes that they will be seen as "racist". It is that they are eating up the illogical red-herring responses by those who have agendas against toughening up our borders and enforcement. It is not even that many are against immigration, heck many of us come from this one way or the other (ex. Irish), but it is about ILLEGAL immigration and the burdening of our tax income in support services which competes against this allowance. It is about the effect on the labor pool, public education, and health services. It is about the corruption of the system as it is now. It's too bad many out there just won't come to grips with taking action against illegal immigration and not fall for the properganda from Mexican nationalists. :mad:

Thing is both Democrats and Republicans fear putting themselves to appear at odds to a Mexican population, that all their internal pollsters tell them they MUST cater to this "growing segment" for voting time. California is done for. Arizona and Texas will fall more so to this soon I think.

Car Knocker
January 8, 2006, 11:29 PM
I'm not surprised that there was a low turnout protesting illegal immigration in, of all places, Danbury, CT. I'm sure they have a huge border issue there :rolleyes:

I belong to a construction-related forum comprised of people in the industry from all over the country. The problem with illegal workers undercutting the wages of citizens and other legal workers in the construction industry is pervasive nationwide, even in Danbury and St. Paul and Seattle. Granted, this wouldn't be an issue if contractors refused to hire them and is a major factor that needs to be addressed before the issue can be resolved.

longeyes
January 8, 2006, 11:35 PM
Thing is both Democrats and Republicans fear putting themselves to appear at odds to a Mexican population, that all their internal pollsters tell them they MUST cater to this "growing segment" for voting time. California is done for. Arizona and Texas will fall more so to this soon I think.

We have come to a sorry pass when a small group of voters--and I won't speak to what percentage of this might be illegal aliens--is catered to and the vast majority of taxpaying voters is de facto ignored. The reality is that "Hispanics"--a rather vague category--comprise maybe 15 per cent of the total U.S. population and far less than that in terms of voters.

What's wrong is that those of us who oppose the hands-off policy are allowing ourselves to be taken for granted. That has to change.

wingman
January 9, 2006, 12:01 AM
What's wrong is that those of us who oppose the hands-off policy are allowing ourselves to be taken for granted. That has to change

Agreed, the "voting base" for this administration has been and is taken for granted since the beginning.

Flyboy
January 9, 2006, 01:12 AM
We have come to a sorry pass when a small group of voters--and I won't speak to what percentage of this might be illegal aliens--is catered to and the vast majority of taxpaying voters is de facto ignored.... What's wrong is that those of us who oppose the hands-off policy are allowing ourselves to be taken for granted.
Yeah, well, that tends to happen when you vote for somebody (or some party), regardless of his (its) conduct.

Standing Wolf
January 9, 2006, 01:36 AM
...some were outnumbered and out-shouted by those who support immigrant rights.

The object of this type of "reporting" is to cast illegal aliens as immigrants.

He who defines the terms generally wins the argument.

Old Fuff
January 9, 2006, 02:05 AM
Standing Wolf is right, but in the end what matters is not who come out for demonstrations that matters, but who comes out on election day.

This is a lesson that radical/left Democrats and their media supporters have been slow to learn, and many still don't get it. ;)

CAnnoneer
January 9, 2006, 02:12 AM
The majority of voters are still sleeping. My hope is that they will wake up in time. Meanwhile, my thanks go to the minutemen for putting things into focus and centering the attention of media and thus the politicians. Without the minutemen, it would have been BAU. The example comes to show things can still be changed for the better by means of small but determined grass movements.

longeyes
January 9, 2006, 02:19 AM
Absolutely! Kudos, bigtime, for Gilchrist, Simcox, and all the Minutemen volunteers!

Sindawe
January 9, 2006, 02:50 AM
Absolutely! Kudos, bigtime, for Gilchrist, Simcox, and all the Minutemen volunteers!+100.

I knew of these before the event, though late in the day I heard of them. I was sorely tempted to join; but did not since I do not response "in a PC fashion" to blatant provocation; chose the better part of valor.The object of this type of "reporting" is to cast illegal aliens as immigrants.Yeppers. The Colorado "Media" I saw on this focused most of the air time on the supporters of criminals. :barf:

beerslurpy
January 9, 2006, 03:24 AM
I never heard about any such protests.

spartacus2002
January 9, 2006, 09:32 AM
Never heard of the protests; if I had, I would have gone to a local one.

El Tejon
January 9, 2006, 10:14 AM
Why do people assume that people are "sleeping" or "intimidated"? Could it be that the vast majority of people realize that the immigrants are necessary as they will actually work and thus the lack of interest?

Or, maybe, the people concerned have jobs and families and better things to do than protest, unlike the pro-illegal immigrant crowd?:scrutiny:

RealGun
January 9, 2006, 11:01 AM
How many of you were at one of these protests?

http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/01/07/D8F09FAG2.html

Illegal immigration protests organized across the country Saturday drew small numbers, and some were outnumbered and out-shouted by those who support immigrant rights.

The so-called "Stop the Invasion" protests were organized in 19 states, demanding the government increase border security and penalize employers who hire illegal workers.

"We are keeping the debate on illegal immigration in the forefront of the American consciousness," said Joseph Turner of Save Our State, who was among about two dozen protesters who waved American flags outside a home-supply store in a Los Angeles suburb.

But Turner's group in Glendale was surrounded by more than 100 drum- beating supporters who chanted, "Racists go home." The two groups traded shouts and obscene gestures for more than an hour. One man was arrested for assault, police said.

In Farmingville, N.Y., where immigration-related violence erupted several times in recent years, only about a dozen protesters showed up and argued against the growing number of day laborers on eastern Long Island.

Paul Streitz, who organized the demonstrations, said members believe illegal immigrants are taking jobs from citizens while driving down property values.

"This is not a racist thing," said Daniel Anastasia, 46, a construction worker from Westchester, N.Y. "We pay taxes, they don't. I get paid what the union says. The contractor pays them cash. It's not fair to me."

In Framingham, Mass., near Boston, a small group protesting illegal immigration was met by a much larger group of counter-demonstrators, some of whom surrounded them and temporarily disrupted the protest.

"What they are doing is just harassing people who are out here to go to work every day, and they're doing it in a hateful manner, which is against everything this country stands for," said Manuel Olivera, pastor of the nearby New Life Presbyterian Community Church.

In Danbury, Conn., about 50 people calling themselves the Connecticut Citizens for Immigration Control spent about two hours chanting and holding signs that read "Arrest Illegal Employers." Several dozen people held a counterprotest across the street.

In Las Vegas, John Holiday, 43, and his son, Conner, 9, held signs near a convenience store where undocumented workers are picked up by employers. The boy, who held a sign that read "Our lawmakers encourage lawbreaking," said illegal immigration has divided the country.

"Do you think the problem will be over when I grow up?" Conner asked.

___

The motives expressed here for protesting against illegal immigration are


diminishing property values
unfair competition with union jobs
wanting to have employers arrested


That sounds very blue state, doesn't it?

I think it is more legitimate to protest on national grounds, since illegal immigrants are economic parasites while at the same time they help enable the control of inflation. I am not very sympathetic purely on the grounds that someone is willing to do a job for less despite the union protectionists. The question is how are they willing to do that. Diminishing property values is not by itself a justification. It is up to zoning authorities to control where illegals concentrate. My condo in CA was taken over by Nicaraguans, so I know how that works. It was a total failure of local government, allowing 26 mattresses in two bedroom units zoned as single family dwellings.

Wanting to go after employers has its natural appeal to anti-establishment types. It would have been more credible to at least question these folks' right to be here and why the government allows the problem.

I don't buy that no one else wants these jobs. The problem is that there are so many unemployed who are unemployable, incapable of showing up on time on Monday morning and willing to stay sober all day. At the same time, I believe their reproductive rate should have been sufficient to support ongoing labor demands. They aren't counted in employment statistics.

It is not just manpower coming across the border. It is work ethic, an otherwise unsatisfied demand. I won't dispute that some criminals are in the mix, but the Mexicans I see know how to work and seem glad to have the jobs. That is the same as historical immigration. We already have warm bodies. They just don't want to work.

Crosshair
January 9, 2006, 02:08 PM
Don't know about other people, but I had a job to be at so I can afford all my guns and to go to school.

SIGarmed
January 9, 2006, 02:20 PM
That's an Associated Press article so take it for what it's worth.

longeyes
January 9, 2006, 02:28 PM
Big Media would like to characterize the anti-illegal immigration feelings as illusory because there's no huge street turn-out. This is not something that is going to be decided in the streets. We still have the power of the vote and the political contribution to pressure pols with. I don't think elbow-rubbing and waving placards is going to accomplish very much except to raise a lot of people's blood pressure. I frankly don't care how many pro-Aztlan zealots there are loudly claiming rights they don't have.

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