I got to meet the President!! (of the NRA)


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Helmetcase
January 8, 2006, 11:33 PM
I got to meet Sandy Froman tonight. She's very articulate and charming in person. Very down to earth; I liked her quite a bit, and she liked what I had to say.

Read about it here. (http://progunprogressive.com/?p=44)

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RealGun
January 9, 2006, 05:53 AM
I got to meet Sandy Froman tonight. She's very articulate and charming in person. Very down to earth; I liked her quite a bit, and she liked what I had to say.

Read about it here. (http://progunprogressive.com/?p=44)

What does "social liberal" mean to you? Is it code for pro-choice? What makes a gunny align with the Democrats? Why should social issues be a factor at the State and national level? Aren't there bigger fish to fry?

Coronach
January 9, 2006, 06:08 AM
Often times the term "social liberal" means a kind of quasi-libertarian point of view. In this particular context, I'm not sure what was intended. However, I'm generally leery of "progressive" social policies, as they tend to be more correctly termed "socialist", which those who are paying attention will note is the pretty close to the antithesis of libertarianism.

So, yeah. I'm confused. ;) I take it that I'm not using the same set of definitions as others. To be perfectly fair, the waters are fairly muddied on this issue, e.g. classical liberalism vs its modern incarnation.

Mike

Greg M
January 9, 2006, 10:55 AM
Well, regarding the subject of the original post... I was there with Helmetcase and was happy that we were able to meet with both Froman and Cox. If the NRA doesn't want to fight for CCW in Maryland at least they shouldn't work against us and this was a point that we were able to make.

http://www.marylandshallissue.org

Greg

RealGun
January 9, 2006, 12:16 PM
If the NRA doesn't want to fight for CCW in Maryland at least they shouldn't work against us and this was a point that we were able to make.


This seems like a no brainer. How would NRA work against you being pro-gun by definition? I have noted that Delaware has constitutional RKBA and MD does not. Good luck.

Spot77
January 9, 2006, 12:50 PM
The secret pinky decoder rings of the NRA weren't kissed and we didn't ask permission from the NRA to push a ccw bill last year.

So they opted to lobby pro gun legislators to NOT co-sponsor it.

Helmetcase
January 9, 2006, 01:26 PM
Heh. OOOPS!

I understand why NRA members are proud of their organization; but what I don't understand is this NRA-can-do-no-wrong attitude. You can love the NRA like a child loves a parent--unquestioningly, unconditionally....or you can love it the way a parent loves a child--thoroughly, absolutely, but also knowing that when it makes mistakes you correct it for it's own good.

bogie
January 9, 2006, 11:29 PM
I think that the main reason that many truly "progressive" people tend to shy away from the "right" side of the political spectrum is the religious fanatics... And there are more than a few of us here... I'm "don't ask/don't tell" on a whole lot of things, because I don't think it's the government's darn business.

txgho1911
January 10, 2006, 12:02 AM
They have people beholden for a fair shake on legislation. NRA owes others for future or past support. Above all they are not in the biz to work theme selves out of a job.
They are doing many great things by a narrow focus on winable issues. Until more voices join them they are limited. They get the credit and demonizing treatment from all corners because they have been around for a very long time. Even bad press as overboard as it gets still brings name recognition. Love them and hate them.
I am an NRA member and also a member of other groups like GOA.

rick_reno
January 10, 2006, 02:01 AM
I got to meet Sandy Froman tonight. She's very articulate and charming in person. Very down to earth; I liked her quite a bit, and she liked what I had to say.

Read about it here. (http://progunprogressive.com/?p=44)

What was she wearing?

Helmetcase
January 10, 2006, 11:06 AM
A business suit. It wasn't that sort of meeting. And she's a little old for my tastes :). Although she looks good for her age.

45crittergitter
January 10, 2006, 08:38 PM
I met Sandy shortly after her induction as pres in Houston. There's now a pic of her and my wife together on our fridge. :D

sturmruger
January 10, 2006, 09:37 PM
I think the NRA is going to be rolling into Millwaukee this summer. I am hoping to get down there and help out.

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