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Drizzt
January 9, 2006, 02:49 AM
http://www.klydemorris.com/graphics/strips/2005/122905newklyde.gif

I got a laugh out of this one.
http://www.klydemorris.com/

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slopemeno
January 9, 2006, 04:02 AM
I was out in Marin County CA near Mt Tamapias flying RC today and three A-10's came down the 101 corridor in a loose 3-ship. Awesome....

ka50
January 9, 2006, 04:24 AM
meh, real men fly F-16's and Su-37's :neener:

grimjaw
January 9, 2006, 04:50 AM
I never got to see them shoot, but I did get to see A-10 manuevers and practice for several years at Pope AFB. Always thought they were nifty, buzzing the base at 100 yards up. Probably wouldn't think so if I was the enemy, though. :eek:

jmm

Medusa
January 9, 2006, 06:14 AM
http://www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/research/attack/a6/gau8-1.jpg
I think such a round would ruin anyone's day. the gun itself is also very impressive:
http://www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/research/attack/a6/a10arm-3.jpg

Fred Fuller
January 9, 2006, 09:12 AM
Go ugly early...

lpl/nc

Lennyjoe
January 9, 2006, 10:09 AM
http://www.a-10.org/

For all of us A-10 lovers. Plenty of pictures, videos and stories. Enjoy.

secamp32
January 9, 2006, 01:50 PM
I was playing golf in Myrtle Beach when an A-10 did a run over the golf course. Scared the Cr@p out of us. Would not want to be on the receiving end of that. :eek:

iapetus
January 9, 2006, 02:44 PM
I saw this on sale in the toy department of my local Woolworths:

http://www.megabloks.com/en/products/description.php?key=1&level=2&level2=1&lId=0&iID=322&subCat=1

http://www.megabloks.com/images/img_site/produit/3707_3.jpg

http://www.megabloks.com/images/img_site/produit/3707_1.jpg

http://www.megabloks.com/images/img_site/produit/3707_2.jpg


Who says children's toys are becoming PC?

GunnySkox
January 9, 2006, 03:08 PM
I saw this on sale in the toy department of my local Woolworths:
...
Who says children's toys are becoming PC?

Just a quick off-topic thing: Does anybody have experience with Megabloks? Are they as good as LEGO, and are they compatible? I keep seeing those awesome Megabloks sets at the store (Mmmm, Bradley...), and I grow increasingly fed up with LEGO's new "even a useless idiot could build this because it has eight gigantic molded pieces" DUPLO-style kits [which, of course, does not take into account awesome things like the Star Destroyer model].

That all aside:

Mmmm, A-10. Mo' dakka.

~GnSx

Lennyjoe
January 9, 2006, 04:00 PM
I was stationed in Myrte Beach from 85-90 when we flew hogs there. Left for Germany just before they deployed to the sand box for Desert Sheild/Storm.

Pilgrim
January 9, 2006, 04:06 PM
I never got to see them shoot, but I did get to see A-10 manuevers and practice for several years at Pope AFB. Always thought they were nifty, buzzing the base at 100 yards up. Probably wouldn't think so if I was the enemy, though.
My squadron went to Cold Lake, CFB in 1982 for Maple Flag, the Canadian equivalent to the USAF Red Flag.

Cold Lake has this huge range to the north which includes 'enemy' airfields, truck parks, supply dumps. They also had an 'enemy' armor column consisting of concrete replicas of Soviet tanks. They 'had' until the A10s shot up the column with the 30 mm gun. After that they had piles of concrete rubble.

Pilgrim

grimlock
January 9, 2006, 04:23 PM
MegaBlocks (hope I spelled that right) are not as good as Legos for one main reason. The plastic tends to stretch a bit and the pieces stop fitting together as tightly. Their models also rely a bit much on large formed pieces, but Lego is also slightly guilty of that these days.

Creeping Incrementalism
January 9, 2006, 04:31 PM
http://www.klydemorris.com/graphics/strips/2005/122905newklyde.gif


Obliterate!!!

SigLaw
January 9, 2006, 04:32 PM
MegaBlocks (hope I spelled that right) are not as good as Legos for one main reason. The plastic tends to stretch a bit and the pieces stop fitting together as tightly. Their models also rely a bit much on large formed pieces, but Lego is also slightly guilty of that these days.


If you are going to build it and leave it that way they are pretty good. My son and I have buit an Abrhams tank and an aircraft carrier and both are very cool.

Old Fuff
January 9, 2006, 04:35 PM
Here in southeastern Arizona them birds pass over a highway that's located at the end of the runway. I estimate they are about 100 feet or less above the ground when they take off and land. It is somewhat exciting when you're on the road and they pass over it because it happens so fast it isn't expected. This does cause the Old Fuff to wake up... :what: :what: :what: :what: :what: :what:

Pilot
January 9, 2006, 04:35 PM
When I still lived back east, I was on a flight to Cape May NJ (WWD) and "encountered" a flight of six A-10's practicing over the Delaware Bay. I gave them a wide birth. Just the thought of one of their practice rounds accidentally coming my way did not comfort me. Impressive aircraft.

torpid
January 9, 2006, 04:45 PM
Their models also rely a bit much on large formed pieces, but Lego is also slightly guilty of that these days.

Slightly is an underststement.
:rolleyes:

KriegHund
January 9, 2006, 04:58 PM
The A-10 is one of those cool and really unique vehicles that *gasp*

Is actually effective! All too often the cool stuff isnt all that good...not here :D

Lennyjoe
January 9, 2006, 06:40 PM
Hey fuff, if you like that then you should come out here for a visit. I can put you 100ft off the runway whent they take off/land. :D

torpid
January 9, 2006, 07:32 PM
Who here liked the A-10 before it was "cool" to?
(pre-Desert storm)

(raises hand meekly...)

:D

Bruce333
January 9, 2006, 07:41 PM
I never got to see them shoot, but I did get to see A-10 manuevers and practice for several years at Pope AFB. Always thought they were nifty, buzzing the base at 100 yards up. I miss living next to a Base. Kaneohe Bay (little bit of everything), Cherry Point (Harriers), Seymour Johnson (F15s). Still, I'm in a MOA here at home and at work, so I still see an A10 from Pope every now and then zipping over the tree tops, and Aero Contractors (SHHH!:uhoh: ) is right down the road too.

Kodiaz
January 9, 2006, 08:00 PM
Well before Desert storm I had G. I. Joes and one year Santa brought me the Cobra A-10. They made it the bad guys plane. Man I love those things.

atomchaser
January 9, 2006, 08:14 PM
They are so ugly they fly by repelling the ground. The Air Force brass tried to kill them off in the late 80's because they weren't very sexy but they were saved by their performance in Desert Storm. They whole plane was built around the 30mm cannon. It doesn't even sound like a gun when it fires, more just a "voot" sound. I spent alot of time cleaning up the Depleted Uranium mess that they made, but after seeing their effectiveness in Kuwait and Iraq closeup I didn't mind.

AFhack
January 9, 2006, 08:31 PM
I love A-10s :-)

They actually remind me of one of those new Koehler faucet commercials - you know the one where a couple walks into a high zoot architectural firm, then sits down with the architect and asks him to design a house "around one of these" while they put a faucet on his desk.


I could almost imagine the AF brass walking into Fairchild, putting one of the GAU-8s in the hanger and asking "Design us a plane around one of these" :evil:

Farnham
January 9, 2006, 09:12 PM
They are so ugly they fly by repelling the ground.

LMAO!

We used to "go camping" at Udairi Range in Kuwait with the MEU, and these guys doing Southern Watch in A-10's would fly over, see our little camp, tip over on the left wingtip and circle about 2-300 ft over us, just looking down. You could actually see the pilot's face.

After they did it a few times, we got together and the next guy got a crisp salute (not done in the field, but c'mon, what'd HE have to worry about? :neener: ) from everybody on the hill. He saluted, waggled his wings, and "floored" it, or whatever you call it when the throttles go to the stops, swung wide and went over us at about 100 feet. Very, very cool.

And yes, I loved the A-10 before Desert Storm, still got the big poster somewhere! :D

S/F

Farnham

dm1333
January 9, 2006, 09:42 PM
If I remember right Fairchild designed it first and then sold it to the Air Force:cool: But I may be wrong, I know a lot more about naval aircraft and WWII vintage. Just before the Gulf War I was in PLDC on a field exercise. We had no idea there was a range next to us until an A-10 came in low and cut loose with the cannon. Probably the closest I have ever come to crapping my pants as an adult.:eek:

1911Ron
January 9, 2006, 09:44 PM
I liked them way before they were cool.
We were at Grafenwoer in 83, when we had A-10s shoot up down range and then had a Cobra hover along side our line of tanks and crank off some rounds:cool: :cool:

Razor
January 9, 2006, 09:51 PM
I liked them way before they were cool.



They were ALWAYS cool...:cool:

The first model I built without my Dad or brother's help was an A-10.
I tried to give it a European woodland camo job, but that didn't work out too well...:uhoh:
My dog ended up eating it along with half of my Micronauts collection...

RON in PA
January 10, 2006, 02:52 AM
Here in the Philadelphia area A-10s fly out of Willow Grove Naval Air Station as part of the PA National Air Guard. Often driving on the PA Turnpike near the Willow Grove exit one is treated to the sight of these bad boys as they practice takeoffs and landings. Sadly Willow Grove will become a thing of the past as it was cut in the last round of base closings.

I was able to buy a practice round of 30 mm ammo many years ago at a gun show. That's one big cartridge. I'd love to know how many grains of powder that it holds.

1911 guy
January 10, 2006, 03:54 AM
A few of our aircraft have government mandated warning stickers on them. The A-6, A-10, F-14 and B-1 come to mind. The warning says: "If you can read this, you're screwed".

Silent-Snail
January 10, 2006, 04:41 AM
I didn't know it existed until after Desert Storm (I was seven at the time),but ever sinse my first sight I have always wanted one.

CTI1USNRET
January 10, 2006, 08:53 AM
The first time I saw A-10s was in 1977 at NAS North Island San Diego.

Kinda off topic, but I used to live in Scotland when I was working with the Royal Navy at RAF Edzell. My house was out in the open on the side of a gently sloping hill and sometimes I got lucky and would catch Tornados flying across the yellow rape fields below me. They were about 50 feet off the deck.

Rape fields http://www.beenthere-donethat.org.uk/layermarney07big.html

Tim Burke
January 10, 2006, 10:34 AM
You betcha, Razor!

I don't remember the first time I saw an A-10, almost certainly was early 70s. Watching it fly, it reminded me of a bat.

I didn't appreciate how effective they were until after the Storm, but they were always cool.

MD_Willington
January 10, 2006, 04:20 PM
My squadron went to Cold Lake, CFB in 1982 for Maple Flag, the Canadian equivalent to the USAF Red Flag.

Cold Lake has this huge range to the north which includes 'enemy' airfields, truck parks, supply dumps. They also had an 'enemy' armor column consisting of concrete replicas of Soviet tanks. They 'had' until the A10s shot up the column with the 30 mm gun. After that they had piles of concrete rubble.

Pilgrim


Fun place eh (cold lake)...My last college instructor observed the exact same thing you are speaking of...

Razor
January 10, 2006, 06:15 PM
I used to live near a Naval Air Station, so I had gotten used to seeing A7s, A6s, F/A-18s and such flying about. Even got used to the occasional F-16 from the Air National Guard base.

But, I just about had a heart attack trying to get my camera when I saw this formation approaching. I'm still kicking myself for not having my "good" camera ready to go. Had to use a cheap point and shoot. :banghead:

Lennyjoe
January 10, 2006, 06:45 PM
Here's what hitting a 3 lb hawk at 150 mph can do to an airplane. Verticle stab.

No_Brakes23
January 10, 2006, 07:29 PM
meh, real men fly F-16's and Su-37's :neener: Fighter Pilots make movies, Attack Pilots make history.:neener:

As a Marine Ordie, it always struck me as odd that the Corps was using brand new Harrier II+ and going to the JSF (Both of which go against long-standing Navy policy by only having one engine,) while the chAir Force was actually sticking with something tried and true, (With two engines,) instad of getting the latest whiz-bang stuff.

I remember reading an article in 1990 about how they were phasing out the "Outdated" A-10 and replacing it with A/E-16s, (F-16s modded for AtG.) Fortunately Gulf War 1 showed the value of the A-10.

They look so big, when I finally saw one aboard, MCAS Yuma, (Flying from Davis-MothanAFB Tuscon,) I couldn't believe how small it was. It's pretty much just that big old gun wrapped in titanium with some flight control surfaces.

The design and placement of the engines is genius, (For FOD protection and protecting a CAS aircraft,) too bad the Navy/Corps can't figure that out with regard to the JSF.

http://tinypic.com/k1eyjd.jpg

Who can tell me why the black elliptical shape is painted on the fuselage?

http://tinypic.com/k1ey5v.jpg

jungle
January 10, 2006, 07:45 PM
The black ellipse on the bottom of the fuselage is to confuse the quarry on aspect and turn direction-it simulates a canopy on that side when viewed from a distance.

No_Brakes23
January 10, 2006, 07:53 PM
The black ellipse on the bottom of the fuselage is to confuse the quarry on aspect and turn direction-it simulates a canopy on that side when viewed from a distance. That didn't take very long, but you might be surprised how many airmen, sailors and Marines don't know that.

jtward01
January 10, 2006, 07:59 PM
Every now and then some Hogs will come down to Florida and play over at the Avon Park Air Force Range, which is near Sebring, about 30 miles south of DizzyWorld. The aircraft using the range are cleary visible (and audible!) to anyone fishing the right section of the Kissimmee River. In addition to A-10s the range is also used by F-16s from Homestead and many out-of-state units who come down for training when the winter weather is too bad to fly up north. We also have off-shore aerial combat ranges in the Gulf of Mexico. One of my hobbies is monitoring their air-to-air and air-to-ground radio communications. It's a lot of fun listening to the fighters working with the AWACS aircraft and being vectored in on a flight of "bogies."

jungle
January 10, 2006, 07:59 PM
It didn't help the last time I was in a dogfight with one, but a mistake in perceived turn direction for even a few seconds is valuable.

Lennyjoe
January 13, 2006, 09:22 AM
This is what I get to see everyday with the exception of the Ohio F-16. We call them Snowbirds. :D

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid199/pf3fb4512650c921353e8ecd04165f067/f09930cb.jpg

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid199/p724c55a861e09ff639ac0657ee78a726/f09930cc.jpg

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid199/p03f859b8235a9cdefae9ea76ee5381f6/f09930ca.jpg

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid199/p447c4738e2d40c0586ee194213d311a2/f09930c2.jpg

superhornet
January 13, 2006, 11:04 AM
When you are inside of a tank, Mr. A10 is not your friend....

rritter
January 13, 2006, 08:16 PM
A friend of mine was skiing once up in New Hampshire, and had just gotten off the ski lift at the top of the mountain. This particular ski resort happens to be under the Yankee 1 & 2 MOAs, and he heard jets. He looked, and a four-ship flight of A-10s was coming around the side of the mountain, below him. He was enjoying the sight when they got jumped by a four-ship of F-15s! He said that for about 30 seconds there was the most amazing furball of Eagles and Warthogs in the valley:what: , and then the sky was empty except for a single Eagle being chased away by one of the A-10s:D

I've always wished I'd been there to watch that.

Lennyjoe
January 13, 2006, 08:20 PM
I'm sure the Eagles got their butt waxed by the hogs.

First mistake is to try to get into gun range on an A-10. Them hogs just have to chop the throttles and open the boards and they can damn near fall out of the sky. Watch the Eagle buzz by, close the boards, hammer the throttle, swing the nose in and let the Gau-8 blaze them out of the sky.:neener:

atomchaser
January 13, 2006, 08:40 PM
I'm sure the Eagles got their butt waxed by the hogs.

First mistake is to try to get into gun range on an A-10. Them hogs just have to chop the throttles and open the boards and they can damn near fall out of the sky. Watch the Eagle buzz by, close the boards, hammer the throttle, swing the nose in and let the Gau-8 blaze them out of the sky.:neener:


A-10 in a ground attack A/C. I don't think it would stand much of a chance against an F-15 in a dog fight under most conditions (>5,000 ft). The A-10 did have at least one air-to-air kill in GW1. The story I heard was that an A-10 caught an Iraqi heliocopter flying and the A-10 pilot fired at him while using the rudder pedals to move the noise A-10 across the path of the chopper.

KriegHund
January 13, 2006, 08:44 PM
We all know how realistic video games can be *rolleyes*

BUT

In flight games a lack of speed is often a friend. Slow down into a tighter turn radius than your enemy and they are screwed.

Razor
January 13, 2006, 08:45 PM
The A-10s actually had two air-to-air helicopter kills in GW1, both with the cannon. One of them tried to use a Sidewinder, but couldn't get a lock.

The Freeholder
January 13, 2006, 09:13 PM
I used to stay at the south end of Myrtle Beach just so I could lay out on the beach and watch them fly. This was back in the mid-80s.

I also have a very nice A-10 print done the year they left, I believe it was. I think that needs to bet framed and hung in the Man Room. Woo-hoo!

Now I go to a different beach, and watch the Marines fly their Harriers. Gotta love those CAS guys.

MD_Willington
January 13, 2006, 09:25 PM
Who can tell me why the black elliptical shape is painted on the fuselage?

http://tinypic.com/k1ey5v.jpg

Same reason they paint them on the underside of the Canadian CF-18's...

http://www.airforce.forces.gc.ca/equip/grfx/equip_gallery/hornet_cf18/wallpaper/CF-18break-away.jpg

Used to see those all the time living near CFB Comox back in BC Canada...

Lennyjoe
January 13, 2006, 11:10 PM
I don't think it would stand much of a chance against an F-15 in a dog fight under most conditions (>5,000 ft)
When using missles, no. But try to come in close for a gun shot. Different story. :D

jungle
January 14, 2006, 12:29 AM
Attacks in the vertical slay the Hog, he can't point his nose up with any control. Then the birds fly up the exhaust and the pilot drops the pocket calender he uses for an airspeed indicator.

Neat aircraft though.

telomerase
January 14, 2006, 12:38 AM
The greatest thing about the A-10 is the tens of tons of U238 that it has deposited in various foreign hotspots for anyone with a metal detector to pick up. (Everyone does know that more than half the energy in an H-bomb comes from the U238 jacket, right?)

cbsbyte
January 14, 2006, 12:52 AM
A-10s, like the B-52 are considered obsolete in practial military terms. They only had an intended 20 year service life as a frontline weapon designed in the 1960s to hinder the hoards of Russian tanks that would sweep across europe, so the outnumbered Europe defensives could mount couterattacks. All this changed during Desert Storm where they proved themselves to be an excellent battlefield weapon, they have remained in service but in a limited capacity. Now only about 70 A-10s are still in service in the Air National Guard. Like the B-52 their replacement parts now have to be scrounged from the bone yards in the Southwest. During the early eightys there where 350+ stationed in just Germany alone, not counting other units spread around the world.

Bettys Nephew
January 14, 2006, 01:32 AM
Regarding air to air combat: my company recently hosted a visit by General Goldfein from Nellis AFB in regards to improving training and logistics for our production lines. He was asked as to the air combat record regarding the F15. His aide Omar answered that the F15 has NEVER been defeated in actual A to A combat. The record stands at 106 - 0. It was also of interest when they talked about the new fighter capability (don't remember the F designation, but maybe 22??). In a test evaluation scenario 8 F15's went up against 2 of the new fighters. All eight of the F15's were shot down and they never had any radar or visual contact of the new ones what so ever. Both the F15 and the A10 are at present the pinnacles of what they were designed to do, but what is on the horizon will be even better.

jungle
January 14, 2006, 05:23 PM
Telomerase, Sorry, you won't be getting the Nobel prize in Nuclear Physics this year. You need to check your facts on the difference between depleted uranium and fissionable materials. Good luck building a bomb with depleted uranium.

telomerase
January 14, 2006, 08:37 PM
You need to check your facts on the difference between depleted uranium and fissionable materials. Good luck building a bomb with depleted uranium.

Jungle, most of the energy from a "fusion" bomb comes from fission of the U238 in the jacket. Yes, you need U235 for the trigger, then lithium deuteride for the fusion, but the jacket is "depleted" uranium, U238.

My Physics is fine... it's the class on making a billion dollars in software that I missed :(

jungle
January 14, 2006, 08:45 PM
Understood, but picking up DU off the battle field is a very long way from the assembly of a bomb, just wanted the readers to understand that and the fact that DU by itself does not make a bomb.

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