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JAMES77257
January 9, 2006, 12:23 PM
Do you think the Mexicans already living here ( illegal or otherwise ) will riot due to these border issues?

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longeyes
January 9, 2006, 12:27 PM
Well, that's the 64,000-peso question, isn't it?

Maybe a better one is why the American taxpayer and citizen haven't "rioted" so far in the face of the political screw-job that's been visited upon them?

I think it would be naive to expect "reform" to proceed quietly. Way too much at stake, way too many problems south of the border and, alas, in Washington, D.C.

longeyes
January 9, 2006, 12:28 PM
I will add this: If we are afraid of "rioting," we might as well hand the US of A over to Mexico right now. Let THEM be afraid of US.

dolanp
January 9, 2006, 12:29 PM
If Americans riot then they are just bigoted racists. The Mexicans can riot because they just want their jooman rights main.

fourays2
January 9, 2006, 12:47 PM
If Americans riot then they are just bigoted racists. The Mexicans can riot because they just want their jooman rights main.

+1, a general rule of thumb is minorities protesting = activist, Americans protesting = racist xenophobe.

Standing Wolf
January 9, 2006, 10:49 PM
If we are afraid of "rioting," we might as well hand the US of A over to Mexico right now.

Well, yeah, but Jorge Bush has a plan.

JAMES77257
January 9, 2006, 11:35 PM
I will add this: If we are afraid of "rioting," we might as well hand the US of A over to Mexico right now. Let THEM be afraid of US.

Damn right they better be afraid.:fire:

rock jock
January 10, 2006, 12:27 AM
Rioting Illegals + Frustrated Border Ranchers = Lots o' body bags.

1911 guy
January 10, 2006, 12:29 AM
If they riot, they're asserting their (fill in the blank). If we do anything remotely protesting illegals, we're evil bigots.

Want a lesson in hypocrasy? Do some reading on how Mexico enforces THEIR southern border.

rick_reno
January 10, 2006, 12:58 AM
Do you think the Mexicans already living here ( illegal or otherwise ) will riot due to these border issues?

Riot? Why? They're already here, soon they'll be here legally (assuming Congress does the Presidents bidding - which is likely to happen).

LAK
January 10, 2006, 06:11 AM
They'll riot when the right conditions are created and the right buttons are pushed. Problem - reaction - solution. Hegelian dialectic. Political m.o., and very old hat.

This is why all the the push-pull media hype, drawn out "mixed signals" and inaction coming from Washington - and these groups like "MS-13" are starting to appear.
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feedthehogs
January 10, 2006, 08:41 AM
Maybe a better one is why the American taxpayer and citizen haven't "rioted" so far in the face of the political screw-job that's been visited upon them?


Because we are too busy workin to pay our taxes that are levied against us to pay for all the illegals and their free health care and other programs the bleeding hearts have given them.

"If a man is burdened enough, he has no time for foolish protests", Uncle Sam.

crazed_ss
January 10, 2006, 09:25 AM
Do you think the Mexicans already living here ( illegal or otherwise ) will riot due to these border issues?

No.

I think people overreact when it comes to illegal immigration.
I live right next to the border.. Illegal immigrants have never cause me any problems. If anything, they've been overwhelmingly beneficial to my lifestyle.

crazed_ss
January 10, 2006, 09:28 AM
They'll riot when the right conditions are created and the right buttons are pushed. Problem - reaction - solution. Hegelian dialectic. Political m.o., and very old hat.

This is why all the the push-pull media hype, drawn out "mixed signals" and inaction coming from Washington - and these groups like "MS-13" are starting to appear.
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MS-13 starting to appear?
Street gangs have part of the SoCal landscape for decades man. Mara Salvatrucha has been around since the 80's.

HankB
January 10, 2006, 10:02 AM
I don't see Mexican illegals rioting any time soon.

In fact, I don't see Mexican illegal activists stirring up a riot any time soon. Think about it - there would be no better way to start a full-fledged anti-illegal-Mexican backlash than a Mexican illegal riot.

It could also be costly to the rioting Mexicans themselves . . . the last wave of riots in LA some years back cost about 60 people their lives. But did you ever see a demographic breakdown of the dead?

I didn't either - I suspect that's because most of the dead were rioters who tried to rob/loot/rape/assault the wrong people, in Koreatown or elsewhere.

A Mexican illegal riot in San Antonio, Corpus Christi, Houston, etc., would not progress very far, or go on for very long, especially if it spilled out into areas without a predominantly illegal Mexican demographic.

El Tejon
January 10, 2006, 10:21 AM
Not anymore than I believe we will be invaded by the zombie bears.:uhoh:

We HAVE to be afraid of something so Mexicans are the latest zombie bears.:D Got to have scapegoats, nothing can ever be our fault.;)

Old Fuff
January 10, 2006, 11:33 AM
We have a considerable number of Mexicans around here, both illegal and otherwise. The likelyhood of them starting a riot is between ZIP and Zero.

What is a problem is organized criminals crossing the border to do various bad things, and then returning home until they repeat the process.

But they are not representative of the general Mexican/American population.

Illegal migration has, and is causing problems - but riots aren't one of them.

longeyes
January 10, 2006, 12:28 PM
Mexico Demands U.S. Allow More Immigration
Jan 10 2:09 AM US/Eastern
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By MARK STEVENSON
Associated Press Writer

MEXICO CITY

Diplomats from Mexico and Central America on Monday demanded guest worker programs and the legalization of undocumented migrants in the United States, while criticizing a U.S. proposal for tougher border enforcement.

Meeting in Mexico's capital, the regional officials pledged to do more to fight migrant trafficking, but indirectly condemned a U.S. bill that would make illegal entry a felony and extend border walls.

"Migrants, regardless of their migratory status, should not be treated like criminals," they said.

The countries represented at the meeting _ including Mexico, Nicaragua, Guatemala, El Salvador, Honduras, Belize and Panama _ created a working group to design a regional policy to avoid migrant abuse and to follow the course of the legislation.

"There has to be an integrated reform that includes a temporary worker program, but also the regularization of those people who are already living in receptor countries," Mexican Foreign Relations Secretary Luis Ernesto Derbez said.

Derbez has called the measure _ which passed the U.S. House of Representatives last month but still must go before the Senate _ "stupid and underhanded," but was somewhat more restrained on Monday, saying "it's not the Mexican government's position to tell the U.S. Senate what to do."

The U.S. proposal has caused widespread resentment in Mexico, where some have accused President Vicente Fox's administration of not being assertive enough in opposing it. Fox has called the bill shameful.

Mexicans working in the United States are a huge source of revenue for Mexico, sending home more than $16 billion in remittances in 2004, Mexico's second largest source of foreign currency after oil exports according to the country's central bank.

Fox's spokesman, Ruben Aguilar, defended the administration's record on Monday, telling reporters that migration has declined in recent years, though official figures show it remains at historically high levels.

Aguilar also said migrants "don't emigrate because they lack work, but rather for a series of other reasons, cultural reasons or better living conditions."

hso
January 10, 2006, 01:21 PM
Do you think the Mexicans already living here ( illegal or otherwise ) will riot due to these border issues?

No

They're here to make money. The vast majority of them don't want any attention drawn to them and wouldn't want the host community to get any more hostile to them and put their jobs/homes/security at risk.

RaetherEnt
January 10, 2006, 01:28 PM
To be honest, the majority of the mexicans I meet here in the United States seem to be pretty damn hardworking people. I wouldn't mind having them here at all if I knew they were legal. The problem lies in the fact that if they are here illegally, they pay no taxes, yet in some of the states (Republiks of California, New York, etc.) the liberal politicians are looking to give away free public services to the same people that don't pay taxes...

Something not right there.

God Bless America, and the blue states too.

HankB
January 10, 2006, 01:33 PM
"Migrants, regardless of their migratory status, should not be treated like criminals," they said.Why not? If they're here illegally, they are criminals.

Could go on more, but it would be hard to avoid violating the "Art's Grammaw" rule . . .:barf: :cuss: :fire:

Baba Louie
January 10, 2006, 01:45 PM
Why not? If they're here illegally, they are criminals.
No No No... They're "Guest Workers"(GW), haven't you heard the latest BuzzWords? :scrutiny:
I doubt those GW's already here would riot. There might be rioting, but that would probably be the same groups that like to Loot, Shoot and Scoot whenever opportunity rears it's little head.
99% of the illegal Mexicans I have met here in Las Vegas (construction and landscaping crews), just want to work hard, making enough money to send back home to their families and to pay their bills.
I'd rather have a nation of hard working individuals who speak Spanish to a group of others who expect Uncle Sam to take care of them from cradle to grave. But then, maybe I have become some form of racist in my cynical "golden years". YMMV

Guest workers... :rolleyes:

rchernandez
January 10, 2006, 01:48 PM
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Fox's spokesman, Ruben Aguilar, defended the administration's record on Monday, telling reporters that migration has declined in recent years, though official figures show it remains at historically high levels.

Aguilar also said migrants "don't emigrate because they lack work, but rather for a series of other reasons, cultural reasons or better living conditions."

Heh? Can we get that portion re-translated?

ChiefPilot
January 10, 2006, 02:47 PM
No.

I think people overreact when it comes to illegal immigration.
I live right next to the border.. Illegal immigrants have never cause me any problems. If anything, they've been overwhelmingly beneficial to my lifestyle.

And why is that? Is it because you are a drug smuggler and they make it much easier to get product? I don't understand...

crazed_ss
January 10, 2006, 11:12 PM
No. The keep produce costs low. They renovated the apt complex I live in. They keep the landscaping outside looking immaculate. Like i said, they dont bother me. Also, they have the best work ethic I have ever seen.

LAK
January 11, 2006, 04:15 AM
MS-13 starting to appear?
Street gangs have part of the SoCal landscape for decades man. Mara Salvatrucha has been around since the 80's.
Yes; but there is a significantly increased media focus on them. This is part of a familiar pattern - at least to me.

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belton-deer-hunter
January 11, 2006, 11:01 AM
No. The keep produce costs low. They renovated the apt complex I live in. They keep the landscaping outside looking immaculate. Like i said, they dont bother me. Also, they have the best work ethic I have ever seen.

this is the problem with people they think well they work chep and they do good jobs and i can hire two for the price of one normal worker and the normal people like us end up with nothing

ChiefPilot
January 11, 2006, 11:13 AM
No. The keep produce costs low. They renovated the apt complex I live in. They keep the landscaping outside looking immaculate. Like i said, they dont bother me. Also, they have the best work ethic I have ever seen.

But they are here illegally; they (as a group) take from the system but do not contribute; they (as a group) take jobs that should go to Americans. Some individuals may be nice people, but the fact of the matter is that they are criminals because they chose to enter the country in a manner that is in direct violation of federal law.

Then there is the whole other aspect of national security. Are so you cheap that you'd like to save a couple of bucks on getting your grass clipped that you're willing to allow Al Queda and similar organizations free passage across the border? There have a been a number (50?) terrorist suspects nabbed crossing the border illegally in the last year or so.

longeyes
January 11, 2006, 12:56 PM
Are so you cheap that you'd like to save a couple of bucks on getting your grass clipped that you're willing to allow Al Queda and similar organizations free passage across the border? There have a been a number (50?) terrorist suspects nabbed crossing the border illegally in the last year or so.

You know the commercial, "Don't bother me, I'm EATING!"

Welcome to the United States of Consumermania.

shecky
January 11, 2006, 01:03 PM
No.

I think people overreact when it comes to illegal immigration.
I live right next to the border.. Illegal immigrants have never cause me any problems. If anything, they've been overwhelmingly beneficial to my lifestyle.


Could it be a voice of reason I hear!?!

longeyes
January 11, 2006, 01:49 PM
Yeah, it's a voice of reason; that's why he signs himself "crazed."

You know, those of us who oppose unchecked illegal immigration must all be nuts. We aren't seeing what we're seeing. The President must be right, they're all just hardworking moms and dads. And we thought Soviet brainwashing was a thing of the past.

pax
January 11, 2006, 02:15 PM
Closed.

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pax

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