Underworld - The Evolution


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The_Shootist
January 11, 2006, 01:15 AM
Okay, now that we are all "talked out" about Miami Vice, lets focus on the sequel to Underworld, due out Jan 20.

Ya, the gun handling (and the overall story) is fanciful. But Kate Beckensdale in leather and gratuitous gun violence with no redeeeming social value will at least keep the movie from being boring. :evil:

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NineseveN
January 11, 2006, 01:17 AM
Okay, now that we are all "talked out" about Miami Vice, lets focus on the sequel to Underworld, due out Jan 20.

Ya, the gun handling (and the overall story) is fanciful. But Kate Beckensdale in leather and gratuitous gun violence with no redeeeming social value will at least keep the movie from being boring. :evil:

I actually enjoyed some of the gun models they used. I like seeing Walther P99's somewhere other than in James Bond's hands. I wonder if they'll cut out of the Glock and 1911 mold of late and use something else again this time.

The Beretta's were a bit over the top I thought.

HighVelocity
January 11, 2006, 01:30 AM
She looks a little more angry in this one :evil:

Warlock7
January 11, 2006, 01:46 AM
I love her! Werewolfs Vampires and Automatic weapons......need I say more!

Eisande
January 11, 2006, 02:43 AM
More angry...did you see the first one? ;) I am pretty sure Kate never smiled once in that film, which is part of the reason why I really liked it. Van Helsing was a really bad movie, in spite of Kate. This one I look forward to.

trickyasafox
January 11, 2006, 03:36 AM
from the trailer, they mention bits of the first one, but i am doubting if it ties into the original story line. i'll still see it even though this has been the worst winter for movies ever

SilentStalker
January 11, 2006, 04:03 AM
from the trailer, they mention bits of the first one, but i am doubting if it ties into the original story line. i'll still see it even though this has been the worst winter for movies ever

You my friend are correct, which is why my Movie gallery stock sucks right now. I lost around $60K over the last half year on Movie gallery. It got to $34.13 a share and I didn't sale because I thought it would go higher and yeah, well it didn't LOL. In fact, it creeped down lower and lower a little every week until it hit the $5 range where it has been for 5 months or more. Anyways had to vent. Sorry. Back on topic, while you are right about this being the worst winter ever for movies I have hopes that Underworld Evolution will make up for that. I think this movie is going to rock. I know a lot of people said the first one was a flop, but I enjoyed it. As far as the guns go for either of them I think they rock. Later.

Jubei
January 11, 2006, 09:29 AM
from the trailer, they mention bits of the first one, but i am doubting if it ties into the original story line. i'll still see it even though this has been the worst winter for movies ever

Actually it takes up right after the ending of the last movie. I was really bored and I read the novelized version of the movie over the weekend.

Jubei

jason10mm
January 11, 2006, 11:05 AM
Huh? Between Harry Potter, Narnia, and King Kong this has been one of the BEST movie seasons ever!! Hopefully Munich will keep up the trend :)

As for Underworld, we'll be there on the 20th, as my Fiancee is a huge fan and it is her b-day. I'm expecting tons of HK stuff, not much else. That G36 must run real well on blanks because everyone and their grandmother has one in Hollywood these days...

MedGrl
January 11, 2006, 11:48 AM
from the trailer, they mention bits of the first one, but i am doubting if it ties into the original story line. i'll still see it even though this has been the worst winter for movies ever

SPOILERSMFOR THE FIRST "UNDERWORLD"!!!!!!!!!!!!

Acctualy it does tie into the original story line. At the end of the first one you see the blood from the werewolf they killed in the crypt seep into hte crypt of the only surviving "master vapire or vampire leader ( I cant remember what they acctualy termed them but it boils down to the leaders of the clan).
So you have a werewolf vampire that is a mixture of a very strong Werewolf and a moderate vampire and a seccond one (the BG for the sequel) whi is a mixture of strong Vampire and moderate werewolf...should be an interesting showdown. The tie in to the original is the continued presence of the Werewolf/vampire hybrid and the fact that Kate Beckinsdale's charactor is i nolve with the good hybrid and fighting agains everyone else with him...kinda corny I know but...Werewolves Vampires and guns...sounds like a fun movie to me:D

HighVelocity
January 11, 2006, 12:11 PM
Werewolves Vampires and guns...sounds like a fun movie to me:D

In 2007 maybe they'll make a part III and ad some ZOMBIES to the mix. :eek: :D

MedGrl
January 11, 2006, 12:35 PM
that may be abit overkill (no pun intended) I'm all for zombi movies and all for were wolf and vampire movies. but onece you put combinations ither than WW and Vamps together it seems to loose something. Just my $.02

middy
January 11, 2006, 12:37 PM
You my friend are correct, which is why my Movie gallery stock sucks right now.
I suspect this has more to do with Blockbuster being a much better place to rent movies...

trickyasafox
January 11, 2006, 01:22 PM
narnia and harry potter were good. king kong was good, but overall i still maintain this winter was brutal for movies. you cant look at the three good ones and judge the whole season. some grade A crap was made that has no shot of ever even breaking even.

and i would argue potter was a late fall release :) didnt it come out at the end of october?

Shane333
January 11, 2006, 01:26 PM
I suspect this has more to do with Blockbuster being a much better place to rent movies...

...and the fact that Hollyweird is pumping out so much garbage.

Sure, there have recently been great movies like King Kong, Narnia, and Harry Potter. The problem is that for every good movie there are lots of simply aweful ones.

Add to that mix the fact that it costs an arm and a leg to go to a movie theater, which in my case is compounded by the fact that I have to get a babysitter for the kids, and it often isn't worth going anymore.

Unless the movie is something I really want to see on the big screen (and I'm picky) I'd rather wait until it comes out on DVD so I only have to pay a few bucks to rent it, I can pause for bathroom breaks, get comfortable on the couch, etc.

Tequila_Sauer
January 11, 2006, 01:35 PM
I didn't dig the first one. It seemed like a cool idea, but I don't really remember a vampire in the movie doing anything vampiry other than jumping and falling from far distances.

The only real thing about the movie I thought was cool was that, for all of the supposed abilities the vampires had, without weapons, they were little match for the brute strength of the lycans.

fastbolt
January 11, 2006, 02:43 PM
Enjoyed the first movie and hope to enjoy the sequel. Interesting genre movie.

Hollywood is inconsistent on the quality of sequels, however.

Let's hope for the best.

Being a middle-aged male, KB is a motivating factor in my decision, of course.;)

As long as the firearms usage & martial arts sequences don't make me cringe, the rest of the fantasy storyline is relaxing & entertaining ....

I thought the first one was interesting in that I liked the somber tone, dark thematic elements and dark, shadowed sets. Some of it reminded me a bit of a Laurell K. Hamilton story backdrop in the Anita Blake, Vampire Executioner series on one of her worse days. Or one of Edward's normal days, perhaps.

SilentStalker
January 11, 2006, 10:50 PM
I suspect this has more to do with Blockbuster being a much better place to rent movies...

Actually, no! I used to love Blockbuster but now I have changed my mind after experiencing Movie gallery for quite sometime. Movie Gallery is all around better and I am not saying that just because I am a stock owner. Oh and I forgot to mention that Movie Gallery also bought out Hollywood Video and they are also the ones that started NetFlix, the biggest internet video rental company in the world. I am not really sure why the stock went so low, but what I do know is that they are not alone. In fact, every movie rental place that I have been keeping an eye on, stock wise, is doing the same or worse than Movie Gallery is. Blockbuster is doing worse. The only company doing good at last I checked $28 a share is NetFlix. I would have to say that IMO the reason these companies aren't doing well is simply a lack of good movies coming out of Hollywood the last half year or so.

mole
January 12, 2006, 12:59 AM
Personally, I thought Van Helsing was slightly better. I didn't have a high opinion of either though.

To keep it gun related....Going to the movies is expensive. For what it costs to go to the normal theater I can go the the discount ($1) theater a little later and buy a 50 round box of 9mm. Hmmm.....movie or movie and ammo?? Easy decision.

grimjaw
January 12, 2006, 03:15 AM
Hope the don't make the mistake that the Matrix sequels made, IMO. More lead, less love. I was almost yelling during 'Revolutions' for Trinity to 'die already!'

jmm

Cosmoline
January 12, 2006, 03:19 AM
Too much style, not enough substance.

LiquidTension
January 12, 2006, 04:22 AM
Wait, there were guns in Underworld? I guess I was too distracted by Kate's leather clad buttocks to notice. Man I can't wait to see those again. Oh yeah, guns are cool too.

Devonai
January 12, 2006, 08:21 AM
In 2007 maybe they'll make a part III and ad some ZOMBIES to the mix.

Blade had vampire zombies!

middy
January 12, 2006, 01:14 PM
SilentStalker: after experiencing Blockbuster's "no late fees", and then receiving a bill in the mail from Movie Gallery for late fees of less than $15... well, let's just say I know where I'll be renting movies in the future.

thorazine
January 12, 2006, 01:58 PM
I thought the first one was interesting in that I liked the somber tone, dark thematic elements and dark, shadowed sets. Some of it reminded me a bit of a Laurell K. Hamilton story backdrop in the Anita Blake, Vampire Executioner series on one of her worse days. Or one of Edward's normal days, perhaps.

Blah blah blah...

I can sum it up for you in four words,





Kate Beckinsale is ***HOT***.

(hope my girlfriend doesn't read this)

http://ffmedia.ign.com/filmforce/image/article/644/644787/underworld-evolution-20050824113730078.jpg

starfuryzeta
January 12, 2006, 04:12 PM
Blah blah blah...

I can sum it up for you in four words,

Kate Beckinsale is ***HOT***.

(hope my girlfriend doesn't read this)

http://ffmedia.ign.com/filmforce/ima...4113730078.jpg
Nice.....stockpile! Is that a kydex built onto the leather pants?

9mmepiphany
January 12, 2006, 10:56 PM
it's a fobus paddle holster holding one of her walther P99s

Karbon
January 13, 2006, 12:39 PM
In 2007 maybe they'll make a part III and ad some ZOMBIES to the mix. :eek: :D

I heard that the director wants this to be a 3 part trilogy. The third movie will be based on the events that happened before the first movie. I welcome more Kate in leather, and I can't wait until the 20th.

Johnny_Yuma
January 13, 2006, 07:50 PM
Blade had vampire zombies!

True zombies can only be killed with a bullet to the head. UV, silver, wooden stakes, swords, etc. having any effect on the targets discount the possibility that these were vampire-zombies. A true vampire-zombie would no doubt need to be killed with both a bullet to the head AND a stake to the heart. :D I doubt even Beckinsale and Blade working together could manage THAT.

iapetus
January 13, 2006, 08:20 PM
True zombies can only be killed with a bullet to the head. UV, silver, wooden stakes, swords, etc. having any effect on the targets discount the possibility that these were vampire-zombies. A true vampire-zombie would no doubt need to be killed with both a bullet to the head AND a stake to the heart. :D I doubt even Beckinsale and Blade working together could manage THAT.

In my experience, both vampires and zombies can be effectively taken out using by fire, or by decapitation.

PS:
Nice.....stockpile! Is that a kydex built onto the leather pants?

Or "arsenal"?

NineseveN
January 31, 2006, 12:40 PM
Saw this movie opening weekend, I like it a lot....for various reasons, some I cannot utter on The High Road. :evil:

Manedwolf
January 31, 2006, 12:42 PM
Okay, now that we are all "talked out" about Miami Vice, lets focus on the sequel to Underworld, due out Jan 20.

Ya, the gun handling (and the overall story) is fanciful. But Kate Beckensdale in leather and gratuitous gun violence with no redeeeming social value will at least keep the movie from being boring. :evil:

I thought the first movie was rather silly. There were apparently only guy werewolves, no females. No wonder they were all pissed off! :D

twoblink
February 1, 2006, 01:55 AM
I assume that Guns, Hot Chick in black PVC is still the "formula" for this sequal??

I'm going to watch it tonight.

gunsmith
February 1, 2006, 01:59 AM
and was going to the second tonight but the sheild is on so I cant...but I cant read this thread as I don't wanna spoil the movie fer me self...I'll get back to it after...

cz75bdneos22
February 1, 2006, 02:15 AM
saw it and enjoyed it so much...i'm buying the dvd when it comes out..it was better than the original in my O.

NineseveN
February 1, 2006, 02:26 AM
saw it and enjoyed it so much...i'm buying the dvd when it comes out..it was better than the original in my O.

Completely agree. Better story, better acting, better action, awesome guns/gunplay/action, cool dynamics and imagery, and better um, hot chicks/thongs/latex. :evil:

SilentStalker
February 1, 2006, 02:37 AM
Seen this opening weekend and I thought it rocked. $10 bucks says that in the 3rd one there will be a a kid born by Katie that is a new junior breed of vampire/liken or however you spell it. The new breed should freaking rock as he will be a mix of genealogy from the eldest of all vampires, a bred vampire (Katie), and then the vampire/liken breed that Michael is. He should be an interesting and powerful fellow. I hope they hurry up and produce the 3rd one as I cannot wait to see what comes about. Even if there isn't some super vamp/liken in the 3rd one there will def. be a new offspring or child between Katie and Michael.

Kurt_M
February 1, 2006, 02:48 AM
NO ONE pulls off tight black leather like Kate Beckinsale. The guns and violence are an added bonus. :D

ocabj
February 1, 2006, 02:53 AM
Saw this movie opening weekend, I like it a lot....for various reasons, some I cannot utter on The High Road. :evil:

http://www.ocabj.net/images/quagmire.gif

Giggidy!

I knew the sequel wouldn't be as good as the first (it wasn't), but I had to see Kate Beckinsale. Definitely 'teh hawt'.

Unfortunately she's married. :( Not like I had a chance, but still. You can dream.

The gun play in the sequel doesn't come close to the first.

Cosmoline
February 1, 2006, 03:00 AM
The only film I saw in the theater this year was "Serenity," which was a lot of fun. THe bulk of Hollywood's production seems to be dropping in IQ points along with the average age of the theater audience. I HATE going to the theater. It's expensive, noisy and you're herded in and out like cattle.

I predict the theater chains will be seeing the worst slump since the '50's, and unless something radical is done more and more of the audience will just catch it on DVD.

Jason M.
February 1, 2006, 03:05 AM
I liked the first one. Gave it a B-. I walked out of this one. It lost any of the gritty feel that made the original what it was.

horge
February 1, 2006, 06:54 AM
I liked the first one. Gave it a B-. I walked out of this one. It lost any of the gritty feel that made the original what it was.

I wasn't going to comment when I saw this film over a week ago,
but I have to echo your assessment, and in detail.

SPOILER warning

The movie was a disaster.

The first one was a gem because of the parallel between the Selene/Michael
romance of the present and Sonia/Lucian in the past. But I am getting ahead
of myself.

This sequel literally picks up right where the first one left off, with a backstory
insert to prep the Markus angle.

My problem is that too little of what was good in the first movie survives
into the sequel. Lucian's dead, Viktor's dead, and as hobbling as it is losing
Michael Sheen and Bill Nighy, the director further proceeds to kill off the
remainder of the coven (offscreen!), and ignore the Lycans as any kind of
factor on their own. The 'Vampires vs. Lycans' premise is thus casually
discarded virtually before the movie starts.

Sure the black latex catsuit is still there, and thank God for that.
Kate's Selene is uber-hot and displays more emotional range. This unfortunately
kills much of the Death-Dealer 'kool' she had before, but perhaps was
intended to help amp up her tepid chemistry with Scott Speedman.

Scott Speedman is again merely-passable as Michael. In the first movie he at
least was the focus of the story, and it was through his disbelieving
eyes that we assimilated the Underworld mythos of Vampires vs. Lycans. In
this sequel he is just an ornament for Beckinsale to play off of.

Derek Jacobi is embarrasing as Alexander Corvinus. Throw a toga on him and
he's faxing in Senator Gracchus from Roidley Scott's 'Gladiator'.

Tony Curran as Markus has quite some presence, but you can't really connect
to his fraternal obsessions, especially when the object thereof is an
uncommunicative 7-foot coyote on crack. Markus doesn't arouse our pity
the way Michael Sheen's brilliant portrayal of Lucian did in the first film-- and
again, back in the first movie, all the fascination with Lucian neatly reinforced
the leads' own romance --which sorely needed reinforcing.

The rousing gun-centered action of the original has been displaced in
too large a share by wirework acrobatics, and Hollywood staples
(the downed helo, et cetera)

The opening flashback to Markus/Viktor/Amelia could have been shot with a
sepia tint for relief --just like all such flashbacks in the first movie were
distinguished from the underlit blue haze of the present. What we get instead
is the nighttime palette (and virtually the same props) from Peter Jackson's
'The Two Towers'.

The final insult is the epilogue narrative. After neutering the covens, and castrating the
Lycans, killing off Markus, William and their father; leaving Selene and Michael
as supreme immortals: we are supposed to buy into Selene's ominous 'darknesss ahead'
for her and Michael. From what and whom, girl? You've killed off everyone who could
possibly threaten you and your lover! Sheesh.


I'd give this movie a 3 out of 10, but the criminal waste of all the
golden potential from the first movie tempts me to give it a 1/2.



h.

Jubei
February 1, 2006, 09:45 AM
The up-side to being very bored one weekend and having a Borders gift card is that I read the novelization of the movie. Apparantly any future opponents of Selene/Michael will come from what the book refers to as the New World Coven. Apparantly Amelia's coven is somewhere in America, and they are likely to be upset at the loss of their leader (I would be too, she was pretty smokin' hot).

The movie definately wasn't Oscar material, unless they have a "Hottie in skin-tight leather" catagory. But it was amusing and entertaining.

Jubei

Zach S
February 1, 2006, 10:35 AM
The first one had two things going for it. Violence, and Kate Beckinsale in that outfit, the fact that it was a halfway decent flick was a plus. From the trailer, I'd imagine the second just has the same two things going for it.

My girlfriend wants to see it. I'm in no hurry.

I thought the first movie was rather silly. There were apparently only guy werewolves, no females. No wonder they were all pissed off! :D
That never occured to me...

Deathrider1579
February 1, 2006, 11:40 AM
I was trying to count bullets (between reloads on screen), I think they did a decent job excepting any of the full autos which all had those cool 1000 round normal looking mags.

I really liked this film I guess I am just a die - hard vampire movie fan.

-DR

Black Majik
February 1, 2006, 04:30 PM
I gotta agree with Horge on this one and say that this film wasn't as good as the first one. I liked how they placed the first one in the city, how there seemed to be a rivalry between the vampires and the lycans. How the vampire had a completely different lifestyles (living in mansions, nice cars) vs. the Lycans who live underground in darkness.

I felt there was MUCH more of a plot in the first one, the 2nd one just seemed rushed. Selene and Michael run away from Marcus, has sex, kill marcus and his super Lycan brother William. Pleeeaaassseee.... :rolleyes:

The rivalry between lycan and vampires disappear, instead of killing off the other bread they're just running away from one person. Plus how Michael comes back to life was absolutely B rated horror flick style. So cheesy.

Kate in leather bumped the movie up to a C though :evil:

Carl N. Brown
February 1, 2006, 04:47 PM
you mean. like Van Helsing? Vampires, Werewolves, Frankemstein's
monster, Absinthe ads, .... etc.

Stevie-Ray
February 2, 2006, 12:16 AM
Kate Beckensdale in leatherOh YES! I'll see it, you betcha. Loved the first one.

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