Finally left CA. Surprised to feel so relieved...


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Buckskinner
January 11, 2006, 02:41 AM
I'm posting this because I had to make a decision recently about relocating out of CA for a new job, and I had searched many boards for stories of how folks' felt and what they found out of state. Since I didn't find many posts like this one, and I know many people have mentioned publicly how they'd like to leave KA, I'm sharing some thoughts.

I am a fifth generation Californian. My grandmother was born and raised in SF, which was a much different place in the '20's and '30s, as you can imagine. My children were born in Berkeley, which will be funny later in their life, I hope. But my California is much different than the stereotypical "KA" that so many hoplophiles rail against.

I grew up between the Gold Country, which is mostly National Forest and very small country towns, and the Bay Area which is a huge metropolis of literally millions of people. My perspective is of a kid who lived in 23 places by the time I was 21, most in places like Richmond, Hayward, Coloma, Georgetown, San Leandro and Oakland. I hunted and fished, and camped alone on ridges and creek bottoms since I was a wee tyke. I know the majesty of the Sierra, and have hiked in manzanita on the West slope and sage on the East, alike. Caught fish with my bare hands in a pristine mountain stream after killing and gutting and packing out a big ol' buck, and then been mugged in Oakland on the same weekend. Panned for gold in the high country, sailed competitively on and out of SF Bay, scuba and abalone from Mendocino to Monterey, snowboarded and flyfished the same day.

There is a lot to love about my CA.

Then I became a gun nut, and realized what a jacked up place KA is for law abiding citizens who want to be left alone, but with the stroke of a pen turned into criminals. The KA that set precedence for "no duty to protect" by cops, and "registration leads to confiscation". My "representatives" belonging to a social elite that doesn't know or care about many of their constituents. I come from the land of Pelosi, Feinstein, Perata Barbara Lee and worse.

So, for many years, I've been trying to figure out a financially sound strategy for leaving the state. Sucking the tit of mother CA is easy to do. Folks have a lot of money. I started three businesses, and never had a cash flow problem. In the Bay Area, all you need to do is want to work, and you will find a decent paying job eventually. But the politics of KA, not the CA I love, was weighing more and more heavily on my shoulders.

Leaving for areas that were rumored to have a lower cost of living, but also had lower wages was problematic with all my expensive hobbies, an expensive wife, two expensive kids, and two new cars. But we searched and dreamed and kept our irons in the fire and our noses to the wind.

And a job finally did come up, and we did relocate to Redmond WA.

We absolutely love it! It has rained for 22 days straight now, and the record of 33 days is in sight. But I live on an acre, with horses, llamas, shetland ponies, and bulldogs on the surrounding properties, and my kids are totally enthralled. The gunshops are cool, and they actually have EBR's there! I can buy standard capacity mags for my Glock and Mini. I can take the HK out to the range without freaking out or commiting a crime. In fact the first time I did take the HK to the range, it sure felt strange...but goooooood!

I went back to CA to pick up a final load of stuff, having been out of state for 45 days. Let me tell you, I couldn't wait to get back to WA. In fact, I flew in that day, rented a truck, packed it to the gills, and drove straight back home to WA. Because that's what it feels like now, "home".

KA was busy, crowded, fast, hostile, dangerous, aloof, smelly and expensive.
WA is all of these but less so, and in more manageable quantities.
WA is kid friendly. Its gun friendly. Its just plain friendly.
Its also wet and green. And the fishing is supposed to be great.


I used to think I camped with those who said "don't leave! The fight is here! We need all right thinking folks we can get!". But holding my daughters, and hoping for a better future, KA just doesn't deserve us. I'm here to tell you the state is almost ruined. There is hope in rural CA, but as the baby boomer yuppies sell their shacks in San Fran for 2 million dollars and buy Grampa's 4 acres in Shingle Springs for $600K, and turn Gram's little hardware store into a perfumy boutique, that hope is fading fast.

I'm glad I"m gone.

A very interesting thing about this is the absolute feeling of relief I have. I feel like there are layers of KA repression peeling off me like an onion. My friend who moved from CA to CO last year, also a hoplophile, mentioned the same thing. Very liberating.

This is one Californian who will try to fight the good fight in WA, and believe me we need it here. KA is exporting some bad juju. The leftist politicians here are just as bad, maybe worse than the bad ones in KA. I'll be learning and voting.

Thanks for letting me vent a bit I guess.

Good luck if you're thinking of moving out of the Golden State.

WA, thanks for welcoming me. I know there might be those who resent their southern neighbors coming up and ruining the neighborhood, but I'll try to be a good Washingtonian. As far as gun nuts are concerned, anyway...

If you're coming to WA drop me a line.

If you're in WA, and you want a fishing or shooting buddy, I have bird dogs and will travel!

~Buck.

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esheato
January 11, 2006, 02:51 AM
Awesome post Buckskinner. Once the military deems me fit to leave, I'll drive away and not look back.

Ed

spaceCADETzoom
January 11, 2006, 03:51 AM
Buck, you post so much of what I feel about California. I'm not as "relieved" as you are, though. I'm a third generation Californian and I'll tell you something about California that you indirectly touched on. California has been changed by NON-Californians. They hear about stuff like hippies, et al, and move here and change this lovely state. CA has had a long, proud history and is doubtlessly a beautiful place with rich culture and great people. It's too bad the last several decades have changed that. Outside of its gun laws, I'd still take it over any state in the union. I've lived in Kansas, Washington, and a good long while in Arizona. California was a state of bear hunters, gold miners, surfers, frontiersmen, cav troopers, spaniards, mexicans, rebels, pirates, aviators, orange farmers, record breakers, dreamers... it wasn't a land of hippies, hoplophobes, metrosexuals, urbanites...

Everytime some non-Californian slams California it hurts. The vast majority of these numbskulls throwing around "Peoples Republic of **********" are people just like the jerks that hear this stereotype, move here, and furhter change it into thier urban "utopia" of draconian big brother crap. THey hear something, inflate it, and react on it--having spent time in one CA spot or not been here at all. And it snowballs. One group moves here and F___s the state up more, thinking californians think like them; the other group is just as ignorant and points and fingerwaves at silly "godless hollywood"...

ANyway. my post doesnt make sense. I just feel bad about my homestate. I'm proud of its history and cry about its present and future. I just wish outsiders would just leave us alone.

Anyway, I'm military and am no longer tied to CA by citizenship. I just got a Nevada drivers license a few weeks ago. I'm planning to change my residence again, as I'm not a fan of Clar County's handgun laws. Either way, there will always be a warm place in my heart for CA, and a tear for its future.

ALASKACAJUN
January 11, 2006, 03:58 AM
Washington, O.K. now thats far enough... Better not catch you tryin' to cross the Canadian border on your way to Alaska... We don't want no Perfumy Boutiques up here... LOL :D Just jokin'...

I've always wondered how miserable it would be to live there... I'm glad I don't!! In Luziana, before I went in the military, a couple with several kids moved in behind my parent's house from **********!! One day I was outside shooting my AK-47 in my backyard, when Mr. Neighbor comes over and informs me that what I was doing was illegal.... Did I mention I lived in the sticks? I told him he was free to call and ask the police to come out and stop me.... They didn't show! He never bothered me again either... I can only imagine the Sherriff's Dept dispatcher askin' him "just were exactly are you from Boy?" :neener:

- Clint

BruceB
January 11, 2006, 08:29 AM
Your reaction to the escape from California surely resonates with me.

After fifty years in Canada, it was truly an incredible relief to alight in Nevada eight years ago, where personal freedom and the lack of nanny-statism allow law-abiding CITIZENS (not "subjects" ) to do very much as they please, particularly in the area of firearms and their uses.

We are far happier here, especially since we are very active shooters (and also holders of concealed-handgun permits). Try getting THAT permit in Canada!

Unfortunately, I have family living in both Canada AND California, and on occasion I do have to visit both regimes. In fact, we're off to San Diego in the immediate future for a weekend visit with my Dad, and I won't be comfortable again until we cross the Nevada line on the way home.

DunedinDragon
January 11, 2006, 08:30 AM
I'm not surprised by this post at all. In my extended family of uncles, aunts and cousins, mine was the family that was an outcast when I was growing up. They all lived in California..2nd and 3rd generation. On the other hand, we were born and raised in Texas. I remember thinking as a kid how lucky my cousins were they were living in such a place.

Of course now, with the exception of an uncle and two aunts in their 70's, everyone else has moved on. I don't know exactly when everything changed there, but it wasn't changed by native Californians. They all just got tired of the nonsense and moved. Amazingly enough, a few of them moved to Texas!! ;)

Spot77
January 11, 2006, 08:31 AM
Posts like that almost bring a tear to my eye.

Congrats on finding "home"; it's a tough thing to do and be truly happy.

Now go shoot the crap out of something. :cool:

SSN Vet
January 11, 2006, 10:37 AM
Calling all "right" minded CA residents...we need you in Maine and New Hampshire.

The gun grabbing Kennedy crowd from MA are finding "affordable" digs in our fair states and ruining them.

Right minded people still have a strong voice, but the scales have just recently tilted in the balance of political power.

Come hunt black bear and sturdy Maine white tails (filling mutliple tags)

Come shoot at a local range, just a mile or two down the road.

Enjoy four seasons.

Enrol your sons in a boy scout troop with out putting a lightning rod on your head.

Ride your snowmobile or dirt bike untill your hearts content.

And come vote the nut cakes out of power.

Here's a wonderful quote from the Maine 's constitution...

Article 1, Section 16. To keep and bear arms.
Every citizen has a right to keep and bear arms and this right shall never be questioned.

taliv
January 11, 2006, 10:41 AM
believe it or not, buckskinner, i felt the exact same way moving from ohio to tennessee two years ago. what a relief!


i spent 5 years in cali (sacramento) when i was a kid. it was great. i travel back to the bay area often enough on business to realize how glad i am that i don't live there

joesixpack
January 11, 2006, 11:13 AM
I just moved to WA from CA about 8 months ago, and I couldn't be happier. My wife, 3yo son and I were living in the second worst neighborhood in Long Beach. Snoop-Doggies old "hood", to be precise (I owned a 3-plex near the intersection of LB Blvd and Anaheim Rd, if anyone knows the neighborhood). It was a great house, a craftsman style built in 1912 with lots of mahogony built-ins. I had lot's of good neighbors and we looked out for one another. I never had a break-in or grafitti on my property....

BUT

the sad fact is that in most (if not all) bad neighborhoods, it's the 2% with whome the cops spend 98% of their time on that make the neighborhood bad. In the time I lived their, we had several Drive-by shootings and a couple of gang brawls right in front of our house. My wife and I used the public transit, so I wanted a CCW. Impossible to obtain one in LA county unless you're friends with the mayor or sheriff. I was so happy that WA was a "shall issue" state, and I planned on getting my permit as soon as I could...

BUT

Where I live now, I need a CCW about as much as I need a parachute on a boat. I'll probably get one eventually, but frankly, it's pretty far down on my list of priorities.

So, now I live in Long Beach WA, right at the mouth of the Columbia river. I don't have soot covering my car every morning, I don't have grafitti to look at, I havn't heard anybodys car stereo, no drive-by shootings, havn't had to call the police once in the time I've lived here ( a weekly occurence back in CA) and as near as I can tell, all I've given up is the dry weather, which I never was able to enjoy because I worked indoors in a place with no windows.

Oh, by the way, this is my first post. Hi everyone;)

Tokugawa
January 11, 2006, 11:29 AM
Welcome!!

middy
January 11, 2006, 11:35 AM
CA is beautiful, and all the true natives I've met were stand up guys. It's too bad about all the jerks who moved there and are ruining it. It used to be the Shangri-La of the Old West, now it's on its way to becoming just another socialist hellhole.

Ares
January 11, 2006, 11:45 AM
Gee thanks, Now I want to get out of NY even more :) Contrats BuckSkinner! :)

orionengnr
January 11, 2006, 11:59 AM
after the military "deposited" me there in 1981.

Moved to IL for my career's sake; thought I was getting out of the most gun-unfriendly place in the US. Maybe I was, but I traded it for the second-worst...

I ended up in TX two years ago. As the previous poster said, I may not need a CHL here as badly as the prior two places, but the simple fact that I can was motivation enough...

God Bless Red States!

jamz
January 11, 2006, 12:00 PM
Here's a wonderful quote from the Maine 's constitution...

Article 1, Section 16. To keep and bear arms.
Every citizen has a right to keep and bear arms and this right shall never be questioned.

+1 !!

I moved from MA to Maine for this reason. (Well, that and my wife wanted to :p )

-James

engineer151515
January 11, 2006, 12:04 PM
During my residence in Orange County, CA, I held the position that I loved California, but California just didn't love me.

LA was a land of extremes. Things were either really good or really bad. Very little in the middle (IMO). CA in the mid-1980's was doing their best to regulate smokestack industries out of the area so Chemical Engineering jobs were drying up. Unfriendy gun laws. High home costs (impossible for me to keep up with just the increase in real estate costs) and high insurance costs. Crowded. You could work real hard and end up with nothing after paying the rent, feeding the kids, paying the car note and what-not. I did see some real success stories but it was like professional sports - for every example of a Michael Jordan, I'll point to a hundred examples of good players that did not hit it big. Plus having your car stolen a couple of times gets expensive too.

I still have family in LA. I loved the food. I love the scenery of the land. But I doubt I'll ever go back at this point. Alabama has been a good home to finish raising my kids. They are almost grown and gone now. After that - who knows. Maybe hang around Florida / Alabama? Looking west, maybe Utah? Maybe Nevada? Texas would have been a natural choice for a Chemical Engineer but it has grown so much and has a lot of border problems.

I understand the relief you felt. BTW - Mobile, Alabama is one of the few cities in the continental US that gets more rain than Seattle, WA. It rained for 2 weeks straight shortly after we arrive in AL and my CA wife thought we might have to start building an ark. :)

trickyasafox
January 11, 2006, 12:18 PM
congrats on a sucessful move and a smooth transition!

Werewolf
January 11, 2006, 12:43 PM
A number of posters have pointed out that CA was quite a good place until all the folks who lived a bit differently from the rest of us discovered that CA would welcome them. The posters have noted that all those outsiders are the reason CA is so screwed up today. A lot of posts in other threads have noted how both Montana and Idaho are getting screwed up by the CA whackos moving there.

Well - the exact same thing is happening to the USA. We are expected to welcome all those immigrating here (legal or illegal). They are having a huge impact on our economy and our culture.

Californians still have a place to run to if they get fed up but the day will come when there is no place left for Americans to run to.

wqbang
January 11, 2006, 12:53 PM
Washington has great gun laws, but vigilance is still required. Every year the Seattle legislators attempt to impose more gun control. Washington GOAL, WSRPA, NRA, WAC and other groups are very strong here, but I am afraid that Puget Sound will continue to gain political power over the rest of the state. Washington is changing, and sadly... it's in the California mold. The same policies that cause high cost of living in Cali are alive and well here.

Old Dog
January 11, 2006, 12:54 PM
Having lived in California for about 12 years, off and on (Bay Area and all over San Diego County), I totally understand Buckskinner's feelings. I have many, many fond memories of California (and a daughter and mother-in-law still living there), but the state is so incredibly screwed up ... it's good to be gone.

Buckskinner, don't forget to hit the WAC Gun Show in Puyallup on the 21st or 22nd ... if you've only been to gun shows in CA, you might be pleasantly surprised ... Also, you've got a good-sized cadre of THR folks in the Puget Sound area ...

liberty911
January 11, 2006, 12:55 PM
As a third generation Californian, I hear and understand everything you said. I have given notice at my job and in the process of packing it up and moving across the country to Florida. California is ruined. It is simply not the place it was. I seriously doubt it will ever be able to rebuild itself to its former glory.

danurve
January 11, 2006, 01:01 PM
Buckskinner; I was a CA. long term visitor, stationed in SanDog for 4 years, well 3&1/2.
Hey, enjoy the new digs and especially the Fishing!

Dain Bramage
January 11, 2006, 01:02 PM
It's kind of funny that the Soviet Republic of Washington is your idea of salvation. Our gun laws are still okay, but they're a relic of an old bygone Washington that was a mix of socialists, aerospace, and timber, coming out of the spin-cycle as a sort of pink libertarianism. That state, once represented in the senate by a dynasty of hawkish democrats, is now like those protagonists Scoop Jackson and Warren Magnuson; they're dead Jim.

The state legislature just opened with a Democrat majority, and a Democrat-majority senate, and a Democrat governor-usurper. Don't just hide your daughters and livestock, get a death grip on your gun rights.

The last time the legislature tried to trim gun rights was with a gun-lock initiative, and they were smacked down. Now the Seattle P-I and Seattle Police Chief Gil "Unlocked Glock" Kerlikowski are whispering about the "Gunshow Loophole". Do we have the numbers to stop them this time?

Unlike the stereotypical Californians we make fun of up here, it sounds like we can count on you to help. Get involved, write letters, and since you're in King county, vote often.

The-Fly
January 11, 2006, 01:09 PM
great posting...i moved to colorado 2 years ago, and never looked back.

Boats
January 11, 2006, 01:28 PM
I'll echo Dain for a moment. All of this migration from the "oppressed" areas of the nation to the "freedom loving" areas of the nation just serve mainly to oppress the freedom loving. The idea that Renton or greater Seattle is paradise compared to California is laughable to anyone in the region for awhile. With all of the pinko/communist Democrats in the Seattle region, maybe it really does feel like "home.":(

There are plans afoot to adopt CA emissions regs in OR and WA. Couldn't have anything to do with the increased emissions from all of those refugees and their ideas that "smog checks" are no big deal? Senators Cantwell and Murray are capable of any depth of stupidity that Feinstein and Boxer can reach. Gov. Gregoire is Gov. Davis in a skirt.

Of course, the traffic in Portland and Seattle is now just shy of insane. The property values in both states' more popular regions are skewed by bubble market money from Cali. The politics get more watermelon all of the time. Oregon actually has a debate going on in Democratic circles that the leftist union propped incumbent Governor isn't lefty enough for their tastes.

So while it is true that the "importation" of gun nuts is probably a boon, such persons in no way offset the other nine out of ten Californians who move up here to get away from sprawl and wind up creating it so that they can live in a suburb, work in the city, but live near an IKEA outlet in an upscale strip mall.

Of course, after I move away from Oregon to North Dakota later this year, there will be some wag saying the same things about me.;)

phoglund
January 11, 2006, 01:29 PM
There are indeed some invaders with silly ideas up here in Montana but there are also many who move up here because of the more conservative laws regarding guns etc. Then there is Section 12 of the Montana Constitution:

Section 12. Right to bear arms. The right of any person to keep or bear arms in defense of his own home, person, and property, or in aid of the civil power when thereto legally summoned, shall not be called in question, but nothing herein contained shall be held to permit the carrying of concealed weapons.

If that last statement worries you, Montana is a shall issue state. I recieved my CWP less than two weeks after I applied and I live in what many Montanan's would consider one of the more liberal counties. Of course "liberal" in Montana is different than other places. There was a recent discussion on a local forum advocating gun control (Started by an immigrant from Croatia oddly enough). Several opposing posts later somebody piped up saying handguns should be illegal. One of the replies was as follows:

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"Posted: Sat Jan 07, 2006 8:37 pm
Post subject: Reply with quote: Outlaw handguns?

The old saying "if you outlaw guns, only outlaws will have guns" is the truth.

And I am a wacko liberal!"
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

The way I figure it, when you have the local "wacko liberals" on the side of the 2nd Ammendment, you are living in the right place!! :D

Bobarino
January 11, 2006, 01:34 PM
welcome to WA! in another 45 days, you can get your shall issue CCW too! the fishing is indeed great, just not right now. for info on that, sign up at www.gamefishin.com (no 'g') its WA's best fishing forum. i live right near the Puyallup River and fish it all the time durring the season. nothing better than fresh caught salmon. mmmmmmmmm.

i hear Wade's is a nice shop but i haven't been there yet. anything but full auto and SBR's is fair game. do your best to ignore the governess and you'll be set! glad to see some more good people in WA.

Bobby

Steve F
January 11, 2006, 01:35 PM
Iv'e been here (so.Calif) for 47 of 50 years and my wife and daughter are 4th & 5th generation native's.My house will be paid for this year and I can start concentrating on our 11 acres near Virginia City,Nevada:D Can hardley wait;) Did I mention how much my house is worth now:what: ,got to love it:neener: Good post Buckskinner!

Otherguy Overby
January 11, 2006, 01:37 PM
Well - the exact same thing is happening to the USA. We are expected to welcome all those immigrating here (legal or illegal). They are having a huge impact on our economy and our culture.

Californians still have a place to run to if they get fed up but the day will come when there is no place left for Americans to run to.

Yeppers, I totally agree. I've been in the process of moving away from CA for several years. In my search for a new place to live I checked out several states. I eliminated most of the states subject to a substantial number of ex-CA residents. Oregon has liberal problems, so does Washington State & Montana. Idaho has gang problems now. BTW, if it were a scenic choice I'd pick either western Montana or northern Idaho. It's eye candy for the visually oriented. I checked out Wyoming and found the nicer areas pretty well picked over before I looked there 3-4 years ago.

So off I went for Texas Hill country. I like the state, I like the people, but the property tax situation for rural land owners is wierd, to say the least. Regardless, I found the situation similar to Wyoming where the good properties were already gone and $2000 an acre for an overgrown cactus ranch was more than I wanted to spend. Anyway, I ended up sitting in the motorhome parked in a Fredericksburg, TX RV park and drew a 500 mile radius circle on the map. I was looking for good twisty road motorcycle country and that's how I ended up in the Ozarks of Arkansas.

So here I am, I still have the house in CA which I'll sell this spring (I'm hoping the property values keep going up, BTW). But, guess what? It's growing really fast here, too fast. Just a warning, if you are moving away from the city, do be aware that it will follow you. :mad:

Buckskinner
January 11, 2006, 02:25 PM
Well, I'm glad to have the welcome and the links to the fishing forum. Thanks!

I know some folks will be grumpy about "outsiders" moving in. That's exactly how I feel about CA, specifically the Bay Area. For awhile there, I was dating a girl from PA, who had worked in NY City, and lived in Hoboken NJ. She had many friends out in SF, and they usually were surprised to meet a native. They looked at me like a museum exhibit, especially when they came over and saw my guns, knives and buckskins displayed like they were in an Old West time warp. They just didn't get it. They were the latest generation of absolute urbanites from a long line of urbanites probably from Europe down through the ages. I on the other hand can trace my American ancestry to a combination of 1763 North Carolina farmers who slowly migrated through GA, AL and OK, ending up in CA during the dustbowl, or who lived in CA from the 1860's as loggers and mule skinners. Just a completely different mind set and background.

I don't consider King Co. WA as any kind of paradise. That's why I chose to live in Snohomish Co. In fact much of WA politics is very worrisome. But the schools are good, and I'll stay here until I can move to Idaho, and fight off the Sun Valley crowd. Now that's a place that should be grumpy about who's moving in! Those are **********n's not Californio's...

Keep your powder dry!

Dain Bramage
January 11, 2006, 03:12 PM
I don't consider King Co. WA as any kind of paradise. That's why I chose to live in Snohomish Co.

SNRRRRK! Sorry, I had to suppress a laugh there. I live in Snohomish county, and it's not all that better than King county. The county council just went Democrat-majority and their first action was to go to all-mail voting. Hmmm, I wonder why?

At least you are going to enjoy the commute. I've commuted from Everett to south of Seattle for nine years now. If only my ninja-roadwarrior skills were transferable to firearms. :neener:

My company is finally transferring me to Everett next month, so my blood pressure will subside, I'll find peace and happiness, and become some kind of freaky hippy that loves everybody and votes for McDermott (local joke, and it's pronounced "gooey-duck")

If you live in Snohomish county, the best range is Kenmore, although you need to be a member to use the full facilities. Sam's Gun Shop is also good in Everett. They have a 25yd rifle/pistol range and don't ban ammo except AP. They also have a selection of rental guns.

And amen on retiring to Idaho (or Arizona, Wyoming, etc..). Only 21 more years to go. *sigh*

Shane333
January 11, 2006, 03:19 PM
Buckskinner,

I empathize with your comments too. I was born and raised in the Bay Area. The Concord/Clayton area to be exact. I loved growing up at the base of Mount Diablo and being surrounded by rolling hills and oak trees (I really miss the oak trees). As a boy I remember going into the hills and catching blue-bellied lizards, fishing in creeks for little stickle-back fish, hearing the cows moo on nearby hillsides, etc.

Then, in Boy Scouts, I was exposed to rifles and it changed my life forever. I realized that I loved the sport of shooting! Problem was the fact that in general, guns were already "taboo" at that time. I remember being at the State Capitol (for my social studies class) the day California's "Assault Weapons Ban" was passed. At the time it didn't worry me very much because nobody had ever really taught me about the 2nd Amendment and why it exists.

In Highschool I started getting some negative feedback for having conservative values. Being an honest, upstanding person wasn't popular. Taking a moral stance on any issue was very unpopular. Believing in family values made me an outcast in most social circles. I felt like a stranger in my own hometown.

Well, at age 18 I moved away for a work opportunity in Utah. At age 19 I served God and my fellow man as a missionary for two years. After I returned from serving a mission, I felt like even more of a stranger in my hometown. The highschool was changed. Gates and bars covered everything. To buy a softdrink you had to reach through one little opening in a gate to put your money in, reach through another little opening to make your selection, and through another opening in a gate to retrieve your soda.

A widow I personally knew, who was a teacher, was robbed of her grocery food vouchers in the very class where she taught(she has since left CA too). It simply wasn't the same highschool I knew from just a few years earlier. Crime was skyrocketing.


Much like Buckskinner and others, it's taken a few years for the layers of indoctrination to peel off of me. My first time at a gunshow in Utah I felt discust at all the AK and other EBR-related merchandise. Now, a few years later, I own one AK variant and I'm building another.:D I've had to learn that the 2nd Amendment isn't just about what rifle is "politically correct" for hunting.

I miss California. I miss the oak trees, the hills, the Sierra Nevada mountains, the wonderful weather, etc. I just can't stomach the political environment, the taxes, the sky-high cost of living, the ever present anti-gun influence, the influence of groups attacking the traditional family, etc.

Standing Wolf
January 11, 2006, 04:12 PM
A very interesting thing about this is the absolute feeling of relief I have.

I still feel relieved three and a half years later. I still miss the temperate climate and beaches now and then, but even summer all year round and going to the beach every day wouldn't be sufficient compenation for my civil rights.

p35
January 11, 2006, 06:28 PM
Welcome! A couple words about fitting in:

NEVER tell people how things/people were better or done better in California.

Figure out how to do things for yourself- I see a lot of ex-Californians with no practical skills. You may not fit the stereotype, but be aware of it.

Remember that there's no "r" in "Washington". Many place names around here aren't pronounced the way they're spelled, so work on learning the right pronunciation.

I'm sure there's more that I haven't thought of but that's a start. Welcome!

Polishrifleman
January 11, 2006, 07:22 PM
P35 you sound like a big bank commercial.:neener:

Welcome Buckskinner, and look to the other side of the state.:D

p35
January 11, 2006, 10:52 PM
Polish Rifleman:

I don't watch enough TV to know whether I do or not. My creativity and my idiocies are my own.:D

Hey, I grew up on the Dry Side, and I still love it. Puget Sound isn't the Dry Side, though, as the last couple weeks have shown all too well. What's your point?

marklbucla
January 11, 2006, 11:01 PM
I've only got a temporary visa into Free America from La La Land because of Grad School. I have a feeling that I'll throw away a HIGHER salary out here in the South, not to mention my EBR to go back to get married and settle in Orange County. She's got a lot of family in the immediate area in Los Angeles, as do I, but it would tear her up to cut herself off and be alone with me in Alabama.

Los Angeles is too expensive and the cost of living adjustment isn't fair, the traffic is the worst in the country, even the good neighborhoods have break-ins and carjackings, and of course most important to this forum is the stupidity when it comes to the (gun) laws.

I'm much happier where I am now.

4v50 Gary
January 11, 2006, 11:25 PM
I drove 120 miles to Merced the other weekend. It was almost endless mall to mall along Hwy 99. After the Altamont Pass (580) to the foot of the Coastal Mountains, same endless mall to mall. Overdeveloped, overpriced, polluted, elitist and leftist, CA sucks and I can't wait to get out.

R.W.Dale
January 11, 2006, 11:31 PM
What ever you do don't start spouting off to the locals about how great a place California is to live, especally if you no longer live there. I absouletely hate it when Californ-icans do that... and they ALL do it.:cuss:

fjolnirsson
January 11, 2006, 11:55 PM
What ever you do don't start spouting off to the locals about how great a place California is to live, especally if you no longer live there. I absouletely hate it when Californ-icans do that... and they ALL do it.

I tell everyone how awful it is, and how we should put up a wall to keep the Californians out of Oregon.

Shane333, I grew up in Antioch/Oakley, and worked in Concord for almost 10 years. The changes in that time are simply beyond words.

Buckskinner, I know exactly what you mean. It does feel like paradise in a lot of ways, even though some things aren't perfect, and we still have to fight the legislature. People who haven't lived in CA in recent years can never hope to understand the absolute soul-wrenching awful reality of day to day life in many areas of CA. It's like a different planet.

P-35, In CA, I was thought a fairly handy fellow. Now that I live in Oregon, I'm constantly reading up on stuff the locals do for themselves, that I never learned to do. It's great!

Mauserguy
January 11, 2006, 11:57 PM
I am a fourth generation Californian, and I am saddenned by this gut feeling that I need to get out. It is not just the gun laws, but the people too. A fourth of the people are illiterate in any language. When you go to the store, the store manager will often have to translate your question to the clerks, because wage earners, more and more, don't speak English.

The freeways, or tollroads, are so crowded that you just can't go anywhere. A couple of weeks ago, I went camping out in the desert, miles from anywhere, and the traffic back home was bumper to bumper. Maybe some soccer mom rolled her SUV, I don't know, because I never saw the end of the crush.

In California, we have a socialist legislature and governor who wants to increase spending, assuring that taxes will go even higher. There is just no relief in sight. I feel oppressed here. I am not of a priviledged ethnicity. I am not gay. I am a Christian. I am the enemy. Yep, I need to escape. As soon as my folks are dead, I will leave.
Mauserguy

Gordon
January 12, 2006, 12:30 AM
Hey guys it is an INTERNATIONAL socialist conspiricy:fire:
The only thing I see different in my area of Kali is the Mexican population going from 15% to 60%:cuss: in 40 years!Pretty darn few conservative Mexicans!Or ex hippies!:fire:
I escaped from New Jersey gun laws in middle 60s to come here.:banghead:
While I can't own supressors or full auto weapons I got plenty of everything else, as I bought them instead of new BMWs ect.:neener: during the 80s.
I was smart enough to go LEO reserve, and I can carry:) but won't(along with all my 'friends') be harrasing any upstanding citizens;)
I own property in southern Oregon(next to the Umpqua) and go up there every few months and it is nicer than here in the summer. The State laws are also better.But Portland,Eugene and Ashland want to squeeze your gonads into a socialist source of revenue,and that means no guns! Washington, in my experience is only one step above Kali. Watch out my friend what the next 10 years might bring!:uhoh:
Although I MIGHT move to Oregon when I retire in 5 years or so, the hot place (double entender!) for now is definately Az.! Besides a good climate for old bones;) , it is far and away the most gunfriendly place I've been to, including VT. Maine and New Hampshire. Tenn seems a close second along with Al.:) Utah is good too!(if your Mormon)

kevin7
January 12, 2006, 01:38 AM
I tell everyone how awful it is, and how we should put up a wall to keep the Californians out of Oregon.

Actually that doesn't sound like such a bad idea.

Buckskinner
January 12, 2006, 02:07 AM
snnnrk? Gesundheit!

I am under no illusions as to where I'm at now, but compared to where I come from, its better and I like it. Will I stay? Probably. Do I want to preserve what we have now? No, I want to make it better, not status quo.

Will other Californians move to OR, WA, NV, ID, MT etc.? You bet.

Some of 'em are cool folks. They can sharpen a knife, and smoke meat, and make good business decisions. They're good neighbors and guys you'd probably like to go fishing with. Some others are not so cool. They can't think critically or act for themselves. They don't understand what it means to live a constitutional based representative republic with a protected Bill of Rights.

But I do, and hopefully you'll get to know others displaced from their home state before "building a wall" or keying a car with CA license plates...We all gotta do what we gotta do.

Something tells me no matter what state or country you were born in, you may fit either of these bills.

One good thing about KA is the constant opportunity to engage in conversation and challenge people's preconceptions, especially about guns.

444
January 12, 2006, 02:29 AM
I didn't read any post after reading your original.
I feel for you. I really do.
I am a very vocal person and I am the first to put down ********** at every opportunity. I hate the place. I won't go there unless I have to. And I live right by it.

But, I know where you are coming from. California is one of the most beautiful places on earth. If there was no one else living there, or if it was 1945, California would be the best place to live that I have ever been. Back in the day, California was everything you could dream of.
That was then, this is now. I applaud your inititive. You saw a lost cause and bailed out. Good for you. It is a heavy price to pay, but that just shows what kind of a man you really are. You paid the price. Now enjoy your prize. No pain, no gain. Everyone knows that. They just don't want to face that reality.
Some people go on with life and ignore the disaster that they helped create. Other people realize that the cause is lost but continue to fool themselves that they are fighting the good fight. But a small group of people will do the hard work. They will actually do something for themselves and their families. You did that.
You have my respect.
You didn't leave for a job opportunity. You didn't leave because you could cash out of the bloated ********** real estate maket.
You left because you knew it was the right thing to do.


California is what we are fighting for. Most people don't realize it yet. But the California of today is what the rest of America will become. We have been asleep at the switch. We let some fools take control. We were so fat and content that we let a crown jewel slip away from us. Our penelty is not just the fight that is before us, it is also what we have already lost because we were fat, dumb, and happy. As we sat in front of the idiot box watching re-runs of Happy Days, a small minority of people stole one of our most prized possessions. And we didn't lift a finger to stop them. We were too lazy, too stupid

I am sitting here feeling your joy. The first taste of feedom.
It's sweet.
I know you are enjoying it.
Don't be happy with what you have. Take it all.
Do all the dirty, filthy stuff that keeps pigs like feinswine awake at night. Become a master of the battle rifle. Make everything within 500 yards your domain.

natedog
January 12, 2006, 02:49 AM
I can't wait to leave. Honestly, I feel much more at home when I'm visiting Texas or Oregon.

Crosshair
January 12, 2006, 03:18 AM
Very good post. It is hard and sad, but sometimes we must leave a place behind with both good memories and bad, for a better place to live.

Crosshair
January 12, 2006, 03:28 AM
Of course, after I move away from Oregon to North Dakota later this year, there will be some wag saying the same things about me.;)

Where will you be moving to in ND? If you are going to be in the Grand Forks area give me a call.

Werewolf
January 12, 2006, 12:25 PM
California is what we are fighting for. Most people don't realize it yet. But the California of today is what the rest of America will become.And where will we move to when the rest of the USA goes the way of CA?:banghead:

STAGE 2
January 12, 2006, 02:05 PM
And where will we move to when the rest of the USA goes the way of CA?:banghead:


A better question should be that when we turn this state around should we let back in all of those who cut and ran.

losangeles
January 12, 2006, 02:41 PM
Glad to hear a happy story about someone finding a new home and the feeling of belonging.

Myself, I hate the Cali gun laws, and a lot of other bad things here. Traffic is miserable, the population is getting too much, places are too congested and there's a lot of bad politics.

But I'm staying. It's got too much going on here for me. I've got businesses in Internet technology and real estate, and for what I do, this is the best place for me. There's a high concentration of people with those talents, and some of the best sources for hitech venture capital in the country. And my kids go to the best schools, which doesn't sound right because Cali on average has slipped below the national average --- but for people with means, Cali has got some of the best education in the country, and a lot of other things. The trick is to find your business niche, because Cali is still good for people with a lot of assets.

UWstudent
January 12, 2006, 02:44 PM
welcome to WA. i'm about a half hour away..

Bobarino
January 12, 2006, 03:10 PM
a guide to help you blend in when you move to Washington.

verbal guide to Washington:

Spokane: pronounced "spok-anne" not "Spok-ain".

Sequim: pronounced "skwim" not "seekwim".

Puyallup: (my home town) pronounced "pew'-al-up" not "poo-yall-up".

Kalaloch: proununced "clay-lock" not "cahlay-lock"

Steilacoom: pronounced: "still-a-kum" not "steel-a-koom"

as stated earlier - Geoduck: pronounced "gooey-duck" not "geo-duck"
(yuck) http://www.ecy.wa.gov/programs/sea/pugetsound/species/geoduck8.jpg

salmon species:

Chinook = King. good any way you prepare it.

Coho = Silver. also good any way you prepare it.

Chum = Dog Salmon. really only ok if smoked, and only if its still semi fresh.

Sockeye = Red. also good any way you prepare it.

Pink = Humpy. only so-so smoked. fun to catch and release. only runs on odd numbered years.

Steelhead = Steelhead. the holy grail of fish in Western WA. mmmmm tasty.


we won't even start in on the river names. just don't live on the banks of any of 'em.



Western Washington Do's:

do the speed limit in the rain. its ok, it ain't ice and the rest of us have places to go.

get yourself a good waterproof jacket. like a Columbia, (they'r semi-local - Oregon) Ma Boyle will take good care of you.

get yourself an REI rewards card and a Starbucks punchcard. the cops will ask to see these if you get pulled over. seriously.

build up a nice collection of relaxing CD's to listen to while you're stuck in the never-ending traffic jams.

Do visit the Oktoberfest in Leavenworth at least once.

do buy all the EBR's you want. no bans here!

do buy some sandals and wear them with or wothout socks until the temps drop below freezing.

do learn the difference between a cup of coffee and a double grande vanilla-hazelnut half-caf with foam and a dash of nutmeg.


Western Washington Don'ts:

don't carry an umbrella. dead giveaway that you're not local.

don't keep a foul hooked fish. the other fishermen will pummel you.

don't go to Bumbershoot. the hippies will trap you inside one of their drum circles or snare you in a net made of armpit hair and force you to eat hummus.

go too fast in the rain. can you say hydroplane boys and girls? i knew you could.

don't use "its raining" as an excuse for anything. another dead giveaway you're not local.

don't cross another guy's line when drift fishing. 'nother pummelling coming your way if you do that. wait until the guy downstream from you casts before you cast. damn rookies.




that'll keep you out of trouble. again, welcome to WA!

Bobby

dasmi
January 12, 2006, 03:17 PM
don't go to Bumbershoot. the hippies will trap you inside one of their drum circles or snare you in a net made of armpit hair and force you to eat hummus.
Hey, I _LIKE_ hummus :)

Buckskinner
January 12, 2006, 04:04 PM
L.A. (Can I call you that?). I totally appreciate the fact that CA is a great place "if you have a lot of assets". That's because you need them to thrive there. Its easy to make/keep/grow money if you have money in CA.

My wife was a teacher for 9 years in Oakland, CA. I cannot begin to tell you the horror and disgust that she shared with me on a daily basis about the kids and their parents. She transferred to Hayward, CA. After three years there, the same things were observed. Why? Because as Oakland became "gentrified", the low-renters went south to Hayward. Result? Degraded educative opportunities for all students because of a few bad seeds? Just one class? Nope, most classes in most schools. Its a real problem. Class division based on have/have nots is a growing problem in SF Bay area. Any time there is a natural disaster, or even just when the Raiders win one, my family is at increasing risk from rioting people.

If you are claiming "some of the best schools", then your kids probably go to "rich" public schools or private/charter schools. CA currently ranks 49 out of the 50 states in quality of public education. WA ranks in the top 5. This is from my wife's research, so let me know if you think she's wrong. But what she found was enough to get her on board for the final push to get us out of the state.

What you're describing is a growing division in major metropolitan areas between classes. Those with "assets" and "means" get the better education and job opportunities. The Libertarian in me says that's okay. The survivalist tax payer in me says I should reduce liabilities by going to an area with less of a class division, so I will survive impending social unrest, and save some tax $$ while I'm doing it...

losangeles
January 12, 2006, 04:58 PM
I will say that I agree with almost everything you have to say.

Any time there is a natural disaster, or even just when the Raiders win one, my family is at increasing risk from rioting people.


I agree. In LA we've had a history of rioting. If there's a natural disaster coming, I know it's gonna happen and know where it's coming from. Just need to be ready.

If you are claiming "some of the best schools", then your kids probably go to "rich" public schools or private/charter schools.


It's not always a money thing. Whitney HS in Cerritos is a middle-class public school that frequently ranks #1 nationally against all public schools on a lot of scales, but yeah, otherwise, it's usually the rich districts that do well. The cream of the crop in Cali education still is tops in the country. My public school system is at the top nationally, along with some other districts (with avg SATs near 1300's, before the SAT scoring changed last year), so there's no need to go private. But if you want private, there are some private schools that have mind-boggling SAT averages. (Chadwick has SAT avg in the 1300's and Harvard-Westlake is close to 1400's.)

I myself grew up in the horrid public schools but worked my way out of there and now I want my kids a shot to get into Caltech or MIT, and you have a better chance coming out of certain districts.


What you're describing is a growing division in major metropolitan areas between classes. Those with "assets" and "means" get the better education and job opportunities.

I'm afraid you're right on that point.

Old Dog
January 12, 2006, 05:12 PM
do buy some sandals and wear them with or wothout socks until the temps drop below freezing.Hmm, my understanding has always been that you're only allowed to wear your Birkenstocks with socks if you live on Bainbridge or Mercer Islands, drive a Volvo, and still haven't taken the Kerry-Edwards sticker off the back window ...

Hey, Bobby, there is freshwater fishing in this state, you know.

a guide to help you blend in when you move to Washington.I would also add ... unless you're within King County, don't judge, or interact with, Washington law enforcement officers based on your perception of, or experiences with, California LEOs.

As far as the public schools up here; there can be major differences in the quality of teachers and programs even within the same school districts in this state. Whether or not one believes in the WASL, it's worth looking at each district's WASL results over the past five years and even comparing schools in the same district ...

geekWithA.45
January 12, 2006, 05:36 PM
I felt the same when I left NJ for good, and your post completely resonates.

CA is a crying shame: It is a beautiful land in the grip of insanity.

There are some places in America, NJ, MA, CA, that are clearly lost causes for the time being, and no longer represent ground that CAN be defended.

We'll get them back someday, but for now, I think it best to shore up the defenses in the places that can be defended.

First, we must stop the advance, and in 1943 terms, there is no dishonor in noting that Berlin is firmly in enemy hands.

Bobarino
January 12, 2006, 06:17 PM
Hey, Bobby, there is freshwater fishing in this state, you know.

i know, that's what i was talking about. fishing for salmon in the freshwater rivers! :D :neener:

Bobby

Polishrifleman
January 12, 2006, 06:33 PM
P35 it was in reference to a radio spot actually (you know the hours of sitting in traffic).:D

I grew up on the other side of the state as well and the point was to have any newbie go check out the other side and see what it has to offer. I live in the West but am a proud owner of land in the East.

+1 on Octoberfest try Odessa's out too.

Rosso's U totem in Ellensberg and any Zips East of Ritzville is worth the stop.

happyhooligan
January 12, 2006, 08:11 PM
Of course, after I move away from Oregon to North Dakota later this year, there will be some wag saying the same things about me.


Welcome. Besides the few weeks of really cold weather, ND is a pretty good place. We have wide open spaces and a fiscally conservative state government that keeps our taxes low. I can see ND becoming the new Montana in a few years when the land prices have been throughly jacked up.

Boats
January 12, 2006, 09:19 PM
For the curious, it is looking like either Jamestown or Bismarck, depending on what my wife finds for work as a registered nurse, since I can set up shop anywhere.

The only thing I don't really like about ND is the water, which pretty much makes tap water in Oregon taste like ultrapurified glacier water (which much of it is). Oh and some of the summer humidity I am not too keen on either.:D

nucstl1
January 12, 2006, 10:19 PM
Buck! Congrats...I made the move two years ago and can still remember the chills I felt when I rolled down the east slop of the Sierras on 80. Now IL. is not much better, but the whole FOID card thing is something that I grew up with. Good to hear WA is a good resting place, as I have had a job offer in that neck of the woods....

Anybody know anything about the Friendlyness of OR, ID, UT?

HD
January 12, 2006, 11:44 PM
I would hope that you arent the only representative for the rest of the union. If you are then there are much bigger problems that what is going on in the golden state.
i have watched kali go from a livable state to an absolute schiesshole in the last 50 years...
if my anger shows its because the utter verminfilth of the world has ruined what was the possibly best state to live in that exsisted within the US's borders...
there is no place left here for any normal person , everyone i know who has any componet of sanity left is working to get out of here...
i really hope every bloodsucking liberal pos moves here , that way we can wall it off and fumigate it after all the humans have fled...
ore. wa. az. are headed the same way...
(btw,have i mentioned that i hate this state ?):neener:

fjolnirsson
January 13, 2006, 12:16 AM
Anybody know anything about the Friendlyness of OR, ID, UT?

Oregon is great! People here are friendly. So much so, that you need to plan an extra half hour any place you go, because people strike up conversations in stores with random strangers.
Folks say it's headed toward becoming another CA, but having lived in both, that's a joke. Sure, we have to be on our toes, as there is some crappy legislation being pushed by a few key people, but we have a rabid pro gun lobby here in Oregon, and some of the best carry laws in the US.
There are two population centers pushing for liberal laws, Eugene and Portland. The rest of the state is made up of freedom minded people.
Smog laws won't fly here. yeah, eugene and Portland have their own little smog laws. But to implement it statewide, half the state would have to buy new cars. The poor folks don't have the money for that. It's a depressed economy outside of the "big" cities.
I find that Oregon has a nice balance of Republican and Democrat. They balance each other out, so their petty squabbles keep them off my back. :D

bigun15
January 13, 2006, 12:24 AM
Maybe in a few years I'll have a story like that. But I'm stuck here for about another five years, more or less (2.5 years of high school, however long I spend in college).

fjolnirsson
January 13, 2006, 01:06 AM
(2.5 years of high school, however long I spend in college).

Any particular reason you're staying in CA for college? Other places do have college, ya know....:p

bigun15
January 13, 2006, 01:16 AM
Cheapest to stay in state. Plus, I know the requirements and already have my plans for meeting them. I have somewhere to live already and have family, friends, knowledge of surroundings, etc. If I went somewhere else for college, I'd have to add that stress on top of academics.

fjolnirsson
January 13, 2006, 01:53 AM
I have somewhere to live already and have family, friends, knowledge of surroundings, etc. If I went somewhere else for college, I'd have to add that stress on top of academics.
__________________

True, true....
Well, best of luck, then......

4D5
January 13, 2006, 02:11 AM
I also have the same sentiments as Buckskinner. Native 1st generation Californian. Lived there for 53 years except for 4 years in the USAF. Grew up in the San Joaquin Valley, and lived in Placerville for 12 years, one of the last places decent to live in CA.

Finally got the opportunity to escape to Nevada a couple years ago and never looked back. I tell people now when going to NV from CA to look below the sign saying leaving CA and you'll see a sign below it saying "Entering the United States". You first get this puzzled look then a look like the light comes on.

Mom, kids and grand kids still live there and I go to visit on occasion, but usually can't wait to get back the the "United States" after a few days.

John Rogers
January 13, 2006, 12:51 PM
Hmm. It seems to me that blaming "Kommifornians" for your problems is a little like "antis" blaming gun owners for crime. There are lots of good people here, lots of gun owners. I didn't grow up here and don't expect to stay forever, but when I leave it will be because there's somewhere else I want to go, not because I hate where I am. There are far worse places to be a gun owner. I don't see how my life will be improved by ruminating about how much I despise those places and the people who live there.

If it matters that much to you, consider making a donation to the CA Rifle and Pistol Association (http://www.crpa.org) instead of just complaining on an internet forum. They are fighting battles that will continue in other states if not stopped here. The rights you save could be your own.

John

losangeles
January 13, 2006, 01:11 PM
...consider making a donation to the CA Rifle and Pistol Association (http://www.crpa.org) instead of just complaining on an internet forum. They are fighting battles that will continue in other states if not stopped here. The rights you save could be your own.

John

Thanks for that link. I just joined and made my donation.

MICHAEL T
January 13, 2006, 02:38 PM
believe it or not, buckskinner, i felt the exact same way moving from ohio to tennessee two years ago. what a relief!


i spent 5 years in cali (sacramento) when i was a kid. it was great. i travel back to the bay area often enough on business to realize how glad i am that i don't live there


Ohio is the east version of Ca. I escaped years ago and felt the same way as buckskinner. I hate to even cross the river back in to Cin as thats Ohio's SF.
Enjoy your new life and freedom in WA.

xrmattaz
January 13, 2006, 03:43 PM
:) MUST go visit the in-laws in Thousand Oaks-area next weekend. Mountain biking in the Santa Monica mountains is nothing less than spectacular during our visits, and helps me maintain my sanity....

Nothing like the feeling I get crossing the border back home to Arizona though! The pistol (s) come out of hiding, and my freedom returns....

During my illustrious Navy career, lived in San Diego/Long Beach/Oakland/Hayward/Huntington Beach/La Mirada/Fullerton, etc.

When I was "THERE", life seemed good, but moving away created a sort of calm I guess.

Back in my home state of Arizona since '91. California can be a spectacular place to visit, but I dread going back every time I go back.

bigun15
January 13, 2006, 07:08 PM
I tell people now when going to NV from CA to look below the sign saying leaving CA and you'll see a sign below it saying "Entering the United States". You first get this puzzled look then a look like the light comes on.

Are you kidding me? Tell me you're kidding. If you're not, that's getting sig'd.

Shane333
January 13, 2006, 07:15 PM
fjolnirsson,

I understand that Antioch is growing by leaps and bounds. I can remember driving through miles of open fields in Antioch, and lately somebody told me that those areas are now chock full of homes.

It's still one of the better areas for raising a family in the Bay Area, so they say.

BTW, I really enjoyed walking from the Black Diamond Mines through the hills to Clayton.

Buckskinner
January 13, 2006, 11:21 PM
Well, I ruminate for fun, and especially when its about a thorn in my paw. I joined CRPA, GOA, NRA, JPFO. Actually someone on the old Firing Line sponsored me at the NRA awhile ago, and I"ve been a member since. These orgs are led by dedicated and great people, and I appreciate their existence. Joining them did nothing for me other than make me feel a little bit better that I wasn't actually writing or calling or faxing my elected representatives as much as I should have. And frankly, the cult of paranoia they promulgate so that donations keep flowing (some orgs are much worse than others at this), gets very old. Perhaps necessary, like getting slapped by the wife on the rare occasion as a reminder of duties neglected, but gets old.

Anyway, I don't blame the Kommiefornians. I blame people who have been trained to feel and not think. And from my perspective, many of those kinds of people came from out of state and either initiated or significantly participated in changing the state against my will and turning my culture into a true minority.

This is a culture war, among other things. But, pendulums swing...

And y'allr on my side, right?

So amen and pass the ammo!

John Rogers
January 14, 2006, 04:13 AM
Buckskinner, I should have been a little clearer in that my response was aimed more at those who think there should be a wall to keep me from moving to their state, wishing my current home would fall into the ocean, etc. Perhaps I was imagining things as I am not seeing so much of that in what I read tonight :) . Your eloquent comments were all too true, but you managed to get your point across without saying terrible things about the 34 million people who still live in CA.

I do wish that it could be possible to work to preserve and restore the right to keep and bear arms without getting into a culture war, but perhaps that is another discussion.

On your side? You bet. Glad you are happy in your new home.

John

444
January 14, 2006, 10:00 AM
"Ohio is the east version of Ca. I escaped years ago and felt the same way as buckskinner. "
That is the truth. Ohio is rapidly on it's way. Having lived there and having grown up there, I understand the pain of living in a state where a couple cities dictate the laws for everyone else. Although Ohio loves to elect democrats just like the unions tell them to. In the part of the state I grew up in, they continue to have that union mentality even though there now isn't anywhere to work: the steel mills have been dead for years, the people just can't face that reality.
Leaving for greener pastures is no big deal. Some people on this thread act like they are having their right leg cut off or something. My ancestors left the British Isles for greener pastures centuries ago. After the American revolution, they moved to Ohio. My family was living in Ohio when it was the wild Frontier. They were living there for close to a century before the California gold rush. I spent my childhood taking for granted that I was going to follow my dad into the steel mills: everyone I was related to worked in a steel mill back several generations. But, that wasn't an option for me, so I left without batting an eye. Came to Las Vegas, having never been here before. Sold a 1911 for the gas money and left. I miss Ohio. I love to go back there and visit. I often think I would love to live there. But, it isn't any kind of a big deal. Change is good. Sometimes you do the same thing for so long that you don't realize that there is a big wide world out there to experience. The grass may very well be greaner on the other side of the fence. You will never know unless you check it out.

fjolnirsson
January 14, 2006, 03:36 PM
my response was aimed more at those who think there should be a wall to keep me from moving to their state,

Oh, don't worry, gunnies would be let in, the wall's just to slow the "bad" immigration.:p I feel for you, I lived in CA for 29 years. I know all Californians aren't bad, but the good ones are few and far between.

fjolnirsson
January 14, 2006, 03:37 PM
Shane333,
Check your PMs........

Gatman
January 25, 2006, 05:13 AM
I hope to escape Illinois and make my way to Seattle. I wanna finish up my college there and attend grad school out there.

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