An Article on the Russian RKBA


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gazpacho
January 11, 2006, 03:53 AM
I stumbled across this article (http://en.rian.ru/analysis/20050811/41139012.html). It helps me keep my perspective when I read how the "other half" lives.

By "gas pistol" I assume he means an air gun.

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ka50
January 11, 2006, 04:18 AM
I stumbled across this article (http://en.rian.ru/analysis/20050811/41139012.html). It helps me keep my perspective when I read how the "other half" lives.

By "gas pistol" I assume he means an air gun.

Nah he means gas pistol with cartidges that are loaded with mace. The pistol goes "bang" and mace shoots out of the barrel.

Back when I was in Russia my friend fired one at his apt... we had to go outside and you couldn't walk inside for an hour or so with all windows open. It's not a tool for self-defense, it's a make-me-feel-good joke.

beerslurpy
January 11, 2006, 04:38 AM
I heard that pepper rounds fired from a 12 gauge are quite entertaining. And by entertaining, I mean completely painful and never to be done in an enclosed space. I imagine it would be quite the crowd dispersal tool though.

I'm glad the russians are finally waking up to the uselessness of the nanny-state. Still, a saiga should be more than enough for a burglar, though I would probably keep it next to my bed like the AK, and open up the magwell to take 40 rounders. It is not like the pissants in the government are going to measure the magwell.

Also, are they trying to say that there isnt a black market availability of milspec 7.62x39 in russia? That is like having a shortage of black market cocaine in colombia.

edit: I dont think he knows what he is talking about. A 7.62 saiga isnt a smoothbore rifle. Also, why would 7.62x39 be unreliable? That makes no sense whatsoever. Are the single stack mags crap?

Lucky
January 11, 2006, 06:35 AM
It's good that he's trying, but I'm confused about "smoothbore hunting rifle". I have to assume he means shotguns, and it's a translation error? Otherwise, it sounds like some sort of factory oversight. "Hey Boris, Damnit, you forgot to put the rifling in these barrels!!! What the bejeezus were you thinking? Oh never mind, just print up some new labels..."

Want REAL Russian-made home defence? http://rusarm.ru/p_prod/spfor/udar.htm That's a 12.3mm revolver with a variety of loadings available, including 'pyro-liquid' and shot. Talk about the ultimate Dutch load!

AZRickD
January 11, 2006, 11:19 AM
As a result, the public in Russia is increasingly leaning towards a more liberal law on weapons. For the last half a year the State Duma has been discussing the possibility of giving the people real firearms, as is done in the United States, for one.

American statistics are the main argument of Russian firearms advocates. According to the U.S. Justice Department, 34% of all criminals were wounded or detained by armed civilians, while 40% have altogether given up an idea of an attack for fear of reciprocal fire. In those states that allow citizens to carry concealed arms, the level of murders is lower by 33 %, and of robberies by 37%.

Advocates of legalizing firearms in Russia often refer to the experience of neighboring Latvia: After the relevant law was adopted, street crime dropped by 80%, and the Latvian police force has been cut.

Support in da Dumas is lacking to move this forward, however.

Rick

SSN Vet
January 11, 2006, 12:08 PM
My wife worked in Moscow for three years before we were married.

It is a tough city of 12 million people....most all of whom live in apartment buildings. There only hope of home-defense is to install a HEAVY steel door with multiple robust dead bolts. Rule #1....NEVER open your door for anyone you didn't invite over.

Lot's of stories of people being tricked into opening the door and then getting tied up, robbed and physically coerced into divulging ATM codes.

If you ever go there ..... blend in!....because the basic assumption is that every westerner is a millionaire.

The rule of law is pretty sketchy and organized crime runs rampant and unchecked. One source of the MOB's power.... of course....the only way to get a REAL fire arm is illegally .... so only criminals have guns.

Firethorn
January 11, 2006, 12:42 PM
It's good that he's trying, but I'm confused about "smoothbore hunting rifle". I have to assume he means shotguns, and it's a translation error? Otherwise, it sounds like some sort of factory oversight. "Hey Boris, Damnit, you forgot to put the rifling in these barrels!!! What the bejeezus were you thinking? Oh never mind, just print up some new labels...

While I had much the same thought when I read the article, it is indeed a translation goof. Words and concepts don't always exactly line up in different languages.

They're translating a russian word as 'rifle' that would more accuratly translate as 'long gun'.

As translation errors go, it's actually quite minor.

Standing Wolf
January 11, 2006, 09:08 PM
Support in da Dumas is lacking to move this forward, however.

Surprise! Statist parasites are the same the world over.

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