Had a Brain Fart Yesterday


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Moondancer
January 2, 2003, 07:24 PM
There has been numerous mentions on lots of gun boards that you need to act natural when you're carrying (sniff ... TFL, we'll miss ya! sniff) I had the chance to see that it actually works (I think).

I had a horribly embarrassing situation happen yesterday, but it maybe by bringin it up someone else will learn from my stupidity in the future.

The Wife and I were taking a couple DVDs back to the local video emporium around 8:00 PM. I'd been lounging all day in sweatpants and t-shirt, and as the weather was still not too bad for northern Indiana, I pulled on a pair of sneakers, my Galco Jackass Shoulder rig with the Kimber Compact, and a varsity-type jacket. Now, in no way should what I am about to divulge (and I use those words deliberately) be taken as any criticism of the holster. The following incident is due strictly to the stupidity of the user, not because of any design flaw! It might be helpful to know that I've got the rig set up with a slight downward angle toward the grip of the Kimber.

We had returned the DVDs and had just picked out a different title to finish off the evening. On the way across the store to the checkout counter I feel my Kimber begin to slip and before I could clamp my arm against it, it hits the carpeting just in front of my left foot! RATS! :what

Having done one stupid thing already (not double checking that I had SECURELY snapped the strap in place), I wasn't about to compound the error by calling attention to myself, so without missing a beat I lean down, grab the gun, shove it under my jacket against my left ribcage, clamp down on it with my forearm and tell the wife to pay the rental, I'll be waiting in the car. Entire time from gun hitting floor to being back under my jacket... maybe 2 seconds, tops.

There had to have been 15 people between me and the counter when the gun hit the floor, and I'll be danged but not a one of them apparently saw it. The first thing I did, of course (DID ANYONE SEE THAT????) was look at people's face for a reaction. Nothing. Not a thing. I am convinced that even if one of these people saw it happen, they just didn't realize what they had seen!

Absolutely amazing. Once in the car, being paranoid by this time, I am watching everyone through the windows, just absolutely certain that someone is going "Martha, did you see that guy drop a GUN on the floor?" or "Mommy, why did that man have a gun?", but again, Nothing! Nobody pointing out the window, nobody looking to see what car the gun guy got into, nothing.

Well, that is good for me, but it certainly seems to prove that the average person really is pretty oblivious to his / her surroundings!

So, moral of my story: (1) check your holstering system and recheck it before you go outside to make sure it's secure and (2) if something unexpected happens, don't act like you're guilty of something. Most people won't notice you if you're cool about it.

Take care.

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Mordwyn
January 2, 2003, 07:43 PM
That most of the sheeple wander around in condition white oblivious to the rest of the world.

Lord save our species:rolleyes:

Plan-B
January 2, 2003, 07:44 PM
A friend and I were riding out to Sacramento one day and while crossing a bridge (lane splitting through slow traffic) a Corolla pulled out and sideswiped him while I was about 10 car lengths behind. I saw him dissappear around a truck and then big chunks of green plastic splashed back into view.

My first reaction was "Oh fudge!" Only much more vulgar. Then the guy sitting in the SUV directly to my right screamed the same thing. Which is when I actually realized what I had just witnessed.

Not even thinking about my own safety, I nailed the gas and pulled up just in time to see him trot over to his Kel-Tec P11, swipe it off the ground and shove it into his riding jacket. His helmet was still on. Then we went about checking out his wrecked bike and looking for his cell phone. Going after his gun was his first instinct after realizing that no bones were broken. No one mentioned the object he grabbed to either us or the CHP when the arrived to take witness reports.

Blackhawk
January 2, 2003, 08:09 PM
Moondancer, maybe you're right about people being oblivious to their surroundings. I'd been lounging all day in sweatpants and t-shirt, and as the weather was still not too bad for northern Indiana, I pulled on a pair of sneakers ... and a varsity-type jacket.Then again, maybe you're just not that cute in that outfit, so I wouldn't rely on people not seeing.... :D

However, you did the best thing by scooping it up and leaving. The worst thing would have been if an eager young Type A saw you stick "something" out of your jacket and hurridly leave. The look on his face as he fainted from shock from seeing the Kimber as you fessed up to what you had under the jacket would have been priceless for anybody but you or your wife. :D

But in that event, would you have shown him or would you have had him call the police because you CANNOT show a non LEO a CCW without violating the law? (At least, that's the way it is here.)

Moondancer
January 2, 2003, 08:35 PM
Blackhawk,

Probably I would have asked him / her to come to the back part of the store and discreetly advised him of what I had under the jacket. Going in my favor is that we are well known there, and on a first name basis with the manager.

I was less concerned with the management than I was with the clientele. There seemed to be an extraordinarily high amount of people there at that moment. I remember thinking as we walked in "Jeez, I haven't seen this many people in here for a long, long time!" I could just imagine an off-duty LEO seeing my faux pas or some sheeple jumping on a cellphone to the local gendarmes, or some other sheeple yelling that "THERE'S A MAN WITH A GUN!"

But... nobody... did... anything!!! I was more amazed about the total lack of any kind of response from anyone, I think, than the fact that I did something stupid like I did and dropped my gun!

Condition White. Gotta love 'em, but they just don't get it, do they?

45R
January 2, 2003, 08:59 PM
Moondancer-
Sorry to hear about your bad day. A learning experience to all of us. Good thing it didnt go off or someone didnt try to call the cops on you.

Moondancer
January 2, 2003, 09:09 PM
Grip safeties are Wonderful Things! Seriously, I'm very thankful it all worked out okay as well. FWIW, I did look as I scooped it up and the safety was still on.

HankL
January 2, 2003, 09:12 PM
The hit men of old would walk up to their contract in a busy public situation, take care of business and keep on walking. Most of the folks around never knew anything happened. Just sheep milling around.

Go over your retention system and check it often. Glad everything worked out ok.

Moondancer
January 2, 2003, 09:12 PM
Blackhawk,

Trust me, I ain't that cute, especially in that outfit. (I think even on my best days, only my wife would think of me as cute.) It was one of my down days and I had two days growth of beard as well. Now that I think about it, if someone HAD noticed, they'd probably think I was gonna hold the place up! I had that "unsavory" criminal look, ya know!

cordex
January 2, 2003, 09:16 PM
Blackhawk,
The license here in Indiana is a permit to carry a handgun.

No specifications on concealment.

Gordon
January 2, 2003, 09:20 PM
Moon dancer: I have been using the Jackass rig for concealed carry since it was invented. I have found the downward rake, while indeed "rakish" doesn't have the security that flat or slightly upward does. Are you using gun side tie down to belt? That increases security in my experience ,even though I don't always.:cool:

Navy joe
January 2, 2003, 09:23 PM
Guy came into the range the other day in VaBch. He had just made several complete laps through the local mall open carrying a Glock in a zero retention Fobus holster(not my first choice) No one noticed for about 30 minutes until the security(ninja) said the mall was private property and they wanted concealed carry if at all. Local cops backed up and agreed, but were civil. Absolutely amazing no one even batted an eye in an area where open carry is legal but never seen.

Moondancer
January 2, 2003, 09:28 PM
I'll have to try it, but with my (ahem) rotund status, the downward angle seems to be the easiest to draw from.

Sven
January 2, 2003, 09:42 PM
Dropped gun posts make me wonder if drop tests really are a bad thing, after all.

Kobun
January 2, 2003, 10:27 PM
Luckily people drop or knock down the empty video covers all the time where they rent out videos. :rolleyes:

This is probably the reason why no one noticed the sound of your gun hitting the carpet.
Although I would think the thump from your gun would sound a bit more massive than an empty box. :D

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MLH
January 2, 2003, 10:49 PM
A video store is the last place to be in condition white as these places are robbed as often as a 7/11.:eek: The sheep never learn.

PATH
January 2, 2003, 11:59 PM
HAve you ever seen a bad guy carry a Kimber much less in a holster. If I had seen it I would have said nothing if I did not have a gun. The other possibility is that you were percieved as a LEO and thus people did not get nervous. In any case there was no problem.

Bravo8
January 3, 2003, 03:41 AM
They noticed......they were probably talking about you when they all went home and took off their holsters......;)

4v50 Gary
January 3, 2003, 03:50 AM
Funny, but I learned the same lesson with an Uncle Mike's inside the pants holster for a Beretta Tomcat. I was running down the street when the sucker worked its way out and onto the ground. Skidded a few feet and I stooped and grabbed it on the run and stuffed it into my pants pocket (good recovery). Never again with those type of holsters. Retention snaps for me from now on.

faustulus
January 4, 2003, 01:50 AM
I was heading into a mailboxes etc one day with my arms full and felt my sig 225 begin to slip (yes I know I should have had a holster but I was just running down the road) anyway out it plops onto the concrete just as this lady is walking by. I reach down smile at her pick it up and walk inside. She either didn't care or it didn't register.;)

Drizzt
January 4, 2003, 03:04 AM
I had that happen with an Uncle Mike's as well, Gary. I was getting a haircut, and had been quite comfortable in the chair. When I started to get up, I realized my Kimber wasn't going to come up with me. Fortunately, I was wearing a large loose shirt, so it wasn't too far out when I grabbed it and shoved it into a pocket. No one said a word, and the barber got a real good tip.

stans
January 4, 2003, 03:18 PM
Retention can be a problem, especially with horizontal shoulder rigs. When I carry, which is almost every day, I prefer stong side carry on my trouser belt. I don't think anyone has ever been able to detect my carry gun, even when I asked friends to look closely.

Carbon_15
January 4, 2003, 05:53 PM
Some magic tricks use a fake, lifelike, rubber sleeve that slips over your real thumb and conceals things inside....Penn (of Penn & Teller) once said that he could substitute an orange plastic roadcone for the fake thumb and 99% of the people wouldn't notice. Sometimes people dismiss the obvious and just too obviouse to be true..and most people simply don't pay attention to anything outside of their own heads.

blades67
January 4, 2003, 06:00 PM
Sounds like you tend to learn your lessons the hard way.:neener:

Now drop and give the pistol 20!:evil:

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