CZ-83 - Options? Availability? Why Good?


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wbond
January 12, 2006, 06:28 AM
I've taken such a liking to CZ-83s that I'm going to start collecting them.

I know CZ-83 is commonly available in .380 ACP and blued.

What about .380 ACP with nickel finish? Common or hard to find? More expensive or same?

Same questions apply to:
.32 ACP blued?
.32 ACP nickel?
9x18 blued?
9x18 nickel?

I'd like to know if each is available in USA. Also, how available? i.e. - how easy to find. Typical prices?

I know 9x18 are difficult to find, but possible in blued. Has anyone ever seen or heard of a 9x18 in nickel?

I think .32 ACP is difficult to find in blue, but possible. Is it? How about .32 ACP in nickel? I've never seen or heard of the .32 in Nickel.

I'd be very interested to know these things. Perhaps others would too.

I'm the recoil sensitive guy whose hand is held together by 4 screws. I've taken a real liking to the CZ-83s because they dampen recoil very well, have a reasonably easy DA trigger, and I can rack the slide, though I would NOT call the slide easy, it is doable for me, which is not the case with Beretta, Browning, and many other .380s. Only the Bersa .380s are better for trigger and slides, but not as good as CZ-83 for recoil.

I think the CZ-83s, like most commy block guns were designed as "unisex" guns because they small enough for a woman, big enough for a man, and powerful enough to get the job done, especially in 9x18. Also the 3 chamber offerings make a great choice of power-recoil options for recoil sensitive people. My hands are as big as the average man, but with a bit longer fingers. My recoil sensitivity is very wussy due to medical problems with left hand and right wrist. So I've got man sized hands, but petite woman recoil tolerance. The CZ-83 is a dream for me. I think most commy guns were made for unisex use because they had women in the military since forever. So the guns had to work for men and women, plus their small chinese and vietnamese allies who also had women in arms. So most commy block guns were designed to work well for small women, medium size men, and everyone in between. The result is perfect for recoil sensitive people who want some stopping power. They're not as concealable as a Bersa, but they shoot easier for sensitive hands and offer more power in 9x18.

Thanks from Wbond

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Onmilo
January 12, 2006, 12:13 PM
Being a .32 acp fan, I would like to own one of the CZ-83 pistols in this caliber.
This and a Browning 1900 would make me a very happy accumulator.:)

FireBreather01
January 12, 2006, 09:39 PM
I have 2 CZ 83's - both are 9mak one blue, one nickel. They are fantastic guns. I love shooting them and have used them for CCW. They're just loads of fun and make just fantastic guns for new shooters, I have two because they are so valuable for teaching and in every class it seems someone (or two) brings a gun with which they just aren't yet capable of handling.

I currently use one as my night stand gun. You're right about recoil, these steel pistols really soak it up and with the ergonomics of the gun recoil is negligible.

The 9X18 - mak's aren't all that difficult to find - there are several on GunBroker right now. They seem to be selling NIB models for around $350.00. If you want a deal in any of the calibers - hang out on the CZ Forum http://p201.ezboard.com/bczechpistols82792 and you'll find plenty of deals. There is about one every week or two in each caliber that seems to come up for sale. And there are some in nickel as well.

Majic
January 12, 2006, 11:23 PM
I've taken such a liking to CZ-83s that I'm going to start collecting them.
A big part of collecting is finding the answers to those questions yourself. Learn as you go along as the education is as much a part of the game as actually finding a specimen.

dcloudy777@aol.com
January 13, 2006, 04:45 AM
Shameless Plug Alert!!! I happen to know a guy :D who has a nickel '83 in 9mm Makarov up on GunBroker right now....

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?item=42536947

DanO

gazpacho
January 13, 2006, 05:59 AM
Got a blue one in 32acp, and its my favorite gun in my collection. If you find one witht he squared front trigger guard, you can buy the round one from CZ-USA for about $65. Check this site (http://world.guns.ru/handguns/hg26-e.htm) for info. Although the CZ-USA website says the 32acp highcap mag holds 12rds, it actually holds 15. It's real fun taking it to the range and firing 15+1 out of a little compact.

CZ-USA only imports the occasional prepaid batch from the Czech Rep. I bought mine from this (http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=42568302) guy on Gunbroker. Very reputable.

wbond
January 13, 2006, 03:11 PM
Yes I saw the nickel 9x18, but I want NIB, if I can find it. Thanks.

Shameless Plug Alert!!! I happen to know a guy :D who has a nickel '83 in 9mm Makarov up on GunBroker right now....

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?item=42536947

DanO

Gun Wielding Maniac
January 14, 2006, 12:58 AM
The CZ-82 is in 9x18 Makarov... its exactly the same gun as the 83 except with polygonal rifling. Its sold by SOG for 250 dollars. Just a heads up.

wbond
January 15, 2006, 06:38 AM
Really? If so, thanks a lot. I had heard the CZ-83 had a much improved safety system to prevent accidental discharge. If so, they are not the same gun. However, I really don't know about the safety issue. It's all second hand information to me. Maybe they are the same gun. I'll have to look into this.

By SOG, you mean the SOG handgun company? I don't know much about SOG, but want to learn.

What is the web address of SOG?

Thanks.

The CZ-82 is in 9x18 Makarov... its exactly the same gun as the 83 except with polygonal rifling. Its sold by SOG for 250 dollars. Just a heads up.

foxmoor
January 15, 2006, 10:25 AM
I have one in .32ACP and it is a fabulous gun. Overbuilt for the cartridge, but a supershooter. :)

gazpacho
January 15, 2006, 05:18 PM
Southern Ohio Gun (http://www.southernohiogun.com/)

They don't list the CZ-82 on their website anymore, tho.

Shear_stress
January 15, 2006, 05:25 PM
They don't list the CZ-82 on their website anymore, tho.

They do, just scroll down. As of Thursday, they still had something like 700 in stock. I'm saving up for mine.

wbond
January 15, 2006, 06:34 PM
Ya. I just bought 3 CZ-83s 9x18 NIB that are blue. The tough one is to find the nickel. I'd really like to find a nickel CZ-83 in 9x18 NIB. Any suggestions?

I have 2 CZ 83's - both are 9mak one blue, one nickel. They are fantastic guns. I love shooting them and have used them for CCW. They're just loads of fun and make just fantastic guns for new shooters, I have two because they are so valuable for teaching and in every class it seems someone (or two) brings a gun with which they just aren't yet capable of handling.

I currently use one as my night stand gun. You're right about recoil, these steel pistols really soak it up and with the ergonomics of the gun recoil is negligible.

The 9X18 - mak's aren't all that difficult to find - there are several on GunBroker right now. They seem to be selling NIB models for around $350.00. If you want a deal in any of the calibers - hang out on the CZ Forum http://p201.ezboard.com/bczechpistols82792 and you'll find plenty of deals. There is about one every week or two in each caliber that seems to come up for sale. And there are some in nickel as well.

wbond
January 15, 2006, 06:45 PM
I'm not having any luck finding a CZ-83 9x18 nickel NIB. I don't think I'm going to find it for any price.

I've been to the CZ forums too. No dice. Not for love or money since they don't have it NIB.

Tom Servo
January 15, 2006, 07:13 PM
Since I'd take 2, I think if at least 4 others were spoken for in advance, they'd place the order.

This is just a suggestion. Any one interested in pursuing this?
Definitely! Keep me in the loop.

Incidentally, this guy (http://gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=42472025) seems to have plenty of the blued models, but I'd hold out for the nickel.

wbond
January 16, 2006, 05:43 PM
I actually think we will be able to do this without having to pay extra for nickel and without even having to order as a group. CZ-USA just needed to know the level of interest.

I was just contacted back by CZ-USA and they said OK and told me to put in a pre-order for the number I want. However, I'm not a wholesaler or retailer, so I had to enquire back about how to put in a pre-order (back order).

Do I have my retailer do it? Or do they have their wholesaler do it? Don't know yet. Will find out from CZ-USA.

Apparently they would be backordered in Feb and available in March or April to consumers (us). So if you want one, budget your money in advance accordingly. This may be your last chance ever to buy one NIB. The price was not discussed, but since they didn't mention it, I assume it'd be for the standard $380 retail.

They only plan to import 24 total in nickel for entire USA, but can import more if there is sufficient interest. Is there sufficient interest? I've got dibs on the first 3 myself.

If there is sufficient interest, I'll let them know and maybe they'll get an extra 12 or 24 nickel. Is there sufficient interest? Let me know and I'll let them know.

Will let you all know more once I know more.

You've all been very helpful with advice to me, so if I can return the favor by helping you get a gun you want, that's great.

Thanks from wbond, "the recoil sensitive guy" aka "CZ-83 Lover"

dairycreek
January 16, 2006, 07:23 PM
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Good gun. Reliable and accurate. Have seen more than one at my local gun store so they can't be too hard to come by. Paid $350.00 NIB!

gazpacho
January 17, 2006, 02:46 AM
Thanks, Shear Stress. I instinctively clicked on the link for Surplus Handguns. Silly me. :rolleyes:

wbond
January 17, 2006, 03:05 AM
Good gun. Reliable and accurate. Have seen more than one at my local gun store so they can't be too hard to come by. Paid $350.00 NIB!

Seriously?

When did you see a CZ-83 in 9x18 nickel at your local gun store? Surely not recently. They are rare NIB and have been for a few years now, or so I'm told every time I try to find one.

Please tell me, what is the name and phone number of your local gun store?

I see you live in Oregon. I live in S.W. Washington. If your local gun store has them in 9x18 nickel NIB, I'll certainly call them and probably drive there too.

If I don't hear from you, I guess I can check all the gun stores in North Plains, OR. How many could there be?

wbond
January 17, 2006, 07:51 PM
Makarov.com plans to order 24 NIB CZ-83s in 9x18 nickel and another 24 in blue from CZ-USA when they are at the Shot Show in Feb, 2006.

The prices on blue will be $319. Wow.

The prices on nickel will be $340 to $360. Pretty good.

Carl is the guy whose running the CZ-83 show at Makarov.com.

The nickel ones are a preorder deal only. If you want one, put in your preorder now. They'll be sold out in advance.

Now all this said, if they get enough pre-orders before February 15th, then they can and probably will order more than 24 of the nickel.

Contact Carl at Makarov.com for more info.

Thanks from wbond.

dairycreek
January 18, 2006, 07:48 PM
wbond

Bought my CZ about two years ago at Keith's in Gresham, Oregon. Saw the nickel model last about 2 months ago. Wasn't interested so did not inspect price. BTW no gun stores in North Plains although we do have a McDonald's.

wbond
January 18, 2006, 08:03 PM
wbond

Bought my CZ about two years ago at Keith's in Gresham, Oregon. Saw the nickel model last about 2 months ago. Wasn't interested so did not inspect price. BTW no gun stores in North Plains although we do have a McDonald's.

Which caliber did you see two months ago in nickel?

NIB .380s are common in nickel and blue.

There are a few NIB 9x18 blues available (less than a dozen nationwide).

No nickel 9x18s at this time (that I know of).

However, more 9x18s coming in March or April 2006 in both blue and nickel. Preorder now, if you want a 9x18 in nickel.

Thanks

106rr
January 18, 2006, 08:39 PM
I have 380 blue CZ 83 and it's a great gun. We are restricted here in CA to that caliber and that finish in a new CZ 83. I can however, buy a 380 and have the barrel swapped out for a 9X18 and have the gun nickel plated.
If you are recoil sensitive, the 32 ACP is the exact gun you need. While you may be able to handle a 380 or 9 Mak now the 32 will still be usable down the road as your conditon deteriorates. Remember that you will have good days and bad during the coming years. You will need a pistol that you can use effectively even in the worst of times. CZ also offers night sights for the CZ 83. HBE offers a good IWB holster.

wbond
January 18, 2006, 10:31 PM
I have 380 blue CZ 83 and it's a great gun. We are restricted here in CA to that caliber and that finish in a new CZ 83. I can however, buy a 380 and have the barrel swapped out for a 9X18 and have the gun nickel plated.
If you are recoil sensitive, the 32 ACP is the exact gun you need. While you may be able to handle a 380 or 9 Mak now the 32 will still be usable down the road as your conditon deteriorates. Remember that you will have good days and bad during the coming years. You will need a pistol that you can use effectively even in the worst of times. CZ also offers night sights for the CZ 83. HBE offers a good IWB holster.
I own a CZ-83 in .380 blue. I have ordered two in .32 blue, two in 9x18 blue, and want to order 2 in 9x18 nickel and one in .380 nickel. However, I'm out of money right now. Also, I have to wait for 2 or 3 months until the 9x18 nickels are available.

With regard to your advice about .32 ACP CZ-83, I agree. That's why I ordered two. One for shooting and the other for collecting. Not many of the .32s were imported, so I think they will be collector's items someday, along with 9x18 nickel.

Has anyone ever seen or heard of a CZ-83 in .32 ACP nickel? Love to get one of those, but I've never even heard of one. So I'm not sure if they exist, or if they were imported.

By the way, .380 is probably pretty good for warm-hot climates. Many South American police and citizens use .380s. I've heard that in one S. American country they use .32 ACP due to law restricting caliber. I've heard that these mouse gun calibers are pretty effective in hot climates where people wear thin shirts and no heavy coats. Also, heat increases blood loss when an injury occurs. So a .380 should be pretty effective in CA (I assume it's hot).

In a colder climate, a .380 isn't much good (I've heard) because people wear heavy coats, which really reduce penetration a lot. Also, people will bleed much less when it's cold. So a larger wound is needed in cold weather to produce same effects, yet a smaller wound is likely since a heavy jacket is probably worn (reducing penetration).

However, in CA, a .380 ought to be decent. In Alaska, or someplace cold, a .380 would seem rather ineffective.

Car Knocker
January 18, 2006, 10:46 PM
So a .380 should be pretty effective in CA (I assume it's hot).


There you go, assuming.:D

A fair amount of California gets quite cold. Trains get snowed in, as do pioneer wagon trains. Caltrans has a huge budget for snow removal. I've seen snow in Los Angeles and freeze-broken water pipes in Sacramento. Woke up one morning to 30" of wet snow when I was living east of Auburn. Power was out for several days. There's more to CA than beaches and Disneyland.

Zerstoerer
January 18, 2006, 11:56 PM
Does anybody have any experience with shooting both the CZ82/82 in 9mm Mak and .380ACP? Since the Mak has a polygonal barrel and the .380 doesn't - is there a noticeable difference in accuracy?
Is there any good defense ammo in 9mm Mak?

Are the .32 ACPs available new with 15-rd mags?
How is recoil/accuracy?

Last, it seems to have a rather fat grip - is this still a pocket pistol or something looking for its own holster?

gazpacho
January 19, 2006, 01:08 AM
Recoil and accuracy of the 32acp is light and very good. The only 32acp models I've seem to see for sale are Ban era pistols, but you can get 15rd mags from CZ-USA. It needs a holster. I got a nifty nylon holster, with an adjustable retention strap and spare magazine pouch.

wbond
January 19, 2006, 05:49 AM
Although they are no longer importing the .32 ACP CZ-83 (I'm told), there are at least 100 of them for sale new in box (NIB) around the USA right now (blue finish only).

Some have the 10 round mags, some have the 15 round mags. I just bought two CZ-83s in .32 ACP. Each gun came with two 15 round mags.

There are also at least a couple dozen of the 9x18s blue NIB floating around at different online places.

Both of the above calibers are impossible to find in nickel finish right now. However, I have it on good authority that a few dozen 9x18 nickels will be coming into the USA in Feb or March. Makarov.com will be getting 24. Other wholesalers-retailers will be getting some too.

.380 CZ-83s are always abundant in both blue and nickel finishes NIB at any gun store in the USA. Best prices online though.

My question is this: Has anyone ever seen a .32 ACP nickel CZ-83? Do they even exist? Were they ever imported?

wbond
January 20, 2006, 01:32 AM
Hey. Don't ruin my CA beach bunny fantasies...
There you go, assuming.:D

A fair amount of California gets quite cold. Trains get snowed in, as do pioneer wagon trains. Caltrans has a huge budget for snow removal. I've seen snow in Los Angeles and freeze-broken water pipes in Sacramento. Woke up one morning to 30" of wet snow when I was living east of Auburn. Power was out for several days. There's more to CA than beaches and Disneyland.

Car Knocker
January 20, 2006, 02:06 AM
Hey. Don't ruin my CA beach bunny fantasies...

I was drawing your attention to the ski bunnies.

wbond
January 20, 2006, 10:07 PM
The guy at the gun store said he personally guaranteed my .32 ACPs would knock over a bull gerbal-hampster from 15 yards with one shot. He found that quite amusing. He said that's one shot hamster stopping power. I grudgingly had to laugh too. It's funny, but I hope they'll handle more than that.

wbond
January 20, 2006, 10:10 PM
WANTED: CZ-83 in .32 ACP Nickel NIB

I've seen plenty in blue, but never nickel.

Do they exist in nickel?

If so, please send me a private message. Post it too, if you like.

I'm not very reliable about checking the discussions, but I always check my private messages.

wbond
January 20, 2006, 10:29 PM
Hi. I noticed at least one of you wants a new in box 9x18 CZ-83 blue with two 12 round magazines.

I just ordered 3 of these NIB by accident. I really only wanted 2. I'd like to unload one.

I paid $380 plus shipping and insurance. I'd be interested in selling it for $380, but I'll cover shipping and insurance. With me covering shipping and insurance, that's like getting it for about $350 or less.

This is NIB with two 12 round mags.

I'm normally a buyer, not a seller, so I'm not very familiar with the procedure, but I think I have my FFL dealer ship it to your FFL dealer. Does that sound right?

Any takers?

If so, please send me a private message. Post it too, if you like.

I'm not very reliable about checking the discussions, but I always check my private messages.

Thanks.

wbond
January 25, 2006, 07:07 PM
Here's the best info I've got to date.

CZ-83 NIB are as common as dirt in .380 nickel or gloss blue, but not in the matte black aka black polycoat. If looking for one in blue or nickel, any gun store can order one, or may even have one in stock.

However, if you want a NIB .380 in matte black, Makarov.com is the only place I know of. They don't have any yet, but they'll be here by March 2006 or April, I've heard.

CZ-83s NIB in .32 ACP are still fairly common on GunsAmerica.com and GunBroker.com, even though they're not imported anymore. The blues are common, sometimes blacks, I've never seen a nickel.

The tougher ones are the NIB 9x18s. They're still available in glossy blue at GunsAmerica.com and GunBroker.com, but aren't common. However, in nickel and matte black they are very rare, in my experience.

However, Makarov.com is going to be getting 9x18s in all 3 finishes sometime in March or April 2006. So I've heard.

Makarov.com will also be selling conversion barrels and springs to convert CZ-83 .380s and 9x18s to .32 NAA.

For more info from Makarov.com or to preorder see the following post from Makarov.com: http://www.gunboards.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=144719

Leonovicz
January 26, 2006, 11:52 PM
I've never done business with them before, but Bud's Gun Shop is selling them for less than $317: link (http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/21_82/products_id/31187).

Stasher1
January 27, 2006, 06:18 PM
Definitely! Keep me in the loop.

Incidentally, this guy (http://gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=42472025) seems to have plenty of the blued models, but I'd hold out for the nickel.

FWIW, I've been to this guy's shop, and I doubt he has more than 1 or 2 in stock at any given time. The place is a dumpy little hole-in-the-wall, located in a strip mall in a pretty crappy area. You have to knock on the door and wait for them to buzz you in.

I'd be willing to bet he's pre-selling and only ordering when/if he actually sells one.

If you're in the Atlanta area, Tucker Gun has about a dozen CZ-83s in stock right now.

Tom Servo
January 28, 2006, 02:30 AM
FWIW, I've been to this guy's shop, and I doubt he has more than 1 or 2 in stock at any given time. The place is a dumpy little hole-in-the-wall, located in a strip mall in a pretty crappy area. You have to knock on the door and wait for them to buzz you in.

Yow! Thanks for saving me the drive :eek:
If you're in the Atlanta area, Tucker Gun has about a dozen CZ-83s in stock right now.
Might have to check them out. Thanks!

wrangler5
January 28, 2006, 02:15 PM
<snip>

I'm normally a buyer, not a seller, so I'm not very familiar with the procedure, but I think I have my FFL dealer ship it to your FFL dealer. Does that sound right?

It's my understanding that an individual may ship a handgun directly to a licensed dealer, gunsmith or factory by overnight delivery (UPS or FedEx), but a dealer may use the US Mails. Overnight is more expensive, but a dealer may charge you to do the paperwork - he has to log the gun into his book and then log it out to the destination dealer. Either you or your dealer must have a copy of the destination dealer's FFL before sending the gun.

I had to send a gun back to the factory recently, and the FedEx counter was perfectly cool with it - just an ordinary transaction as far as they were concerned. I think you have to go to a company counter, though, not a Mailboxes or Kinkos agent.

wbond
February 7, 2006, 12:10 AM
However, they are not available in .32 ACP Nickel. It's the nickel I'm after now.

I've never done business with them before, but Bud's Gun Shop is selling them for less than $317: link (http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/21_82/products_id/31187).

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