[parabellum9x19]

Where can I buy bean bag non lethal rounds for my 870?
Please post url. Thanks.






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[Feanaro]

http://www.ozarkmtns.com/less-lethal/products/als1201L26.htm
http://www.mkballistics.com/flexbtn1.htm
http://www.margosupplies.com/usa/products/scare/9mm_us.html

Those any help? BTW, just do a search for bean bag 12 gauge with any popular search engine, turns up a lot. What do ya want them for?

[Badger Arms]

Alright Brandon Lee... These are technically "Less Lethal" rounds. Do not point them at anyone you do not intend to injure.

[TrapperReady]

Actually, less lethal still means it can be lethal.

Don't point them at anyone you would not be willing (and justified) to kill.

[Mike Irwin]

The big question is, why would you want them in the first place?

[Erick Gelhaus]

Concur with Mr. Irwin-

Have you paid attention to previous discussions concerning these? The attendant liability issues? The opinions of those who have to deploy these?

Why on Earth to do you want them?

[Jeff White]

We discussed less lethal rounds a few months ago in this thread:
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=596

Erick,
Perhaps we need a FAQ in each forum for subjects that keep popping up?

Jeff

[Still Learning]

As crappy as my 870 was patterning pretty much everything I fired in it was "less lethal." :barf: Hopefully when I get it back next week it will be "more lethal.":D

[Erick Gelhaus]

Still-
:) !

Jeff-
You "had" to give to me another project didn't you? Actually it's a good idea, but I'll need to find the time for it.

Erick

[Sir Galahad]

Here's some caveats about this ammo:

1.) With "rubber buckshot", inside a room, you run the risk of those projectiles bouncing off walls and injuring you.

2.) Many of these loads are riot control loads meant to use pain to persuade folks to move along and disperse NOT incapacitate them. Just last week there was a photo of a young woman hit by a rubber bullet at an anti-war protest in Oakland. She had a big goose egg on her cheek, but she was walking and still holding her protest sign. Now, if she was an intruder with a weapon, she's still be holding her weapon. See?

3.) If the pain of a less lethal projectile infuriates the target, you may have wasted your one good shot simply to give him more reason to want to kill you.

4.) The expense of these loads make practice expensive.

5.) There are examples all over the world where "less lethal" methods---from rubber buck and water cannons to sjamboks and lathis---have failed and neccesitated deadly force. With an intruder, you will not have a phalanx of special police behind you with Galils or AKs to back you up if the less lethal loads fail. Consider that some less lethal loads may not extract well from semi-auto shotguns.