Did Nebraska just get CCW ???


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scout26
January 12, 2006, 04:08 PM
I been monitoring the CCW vote on www.ccwne.com. Cloture just passed 34-7. Does that mean it's basically a slam dunk ??? As in you have enough votes to pass AB454 and the governor has pledged to sign it ???

If so, CONGRATS 'HUSKERS !!! 47 down, 3 to go......

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duckslayer
January 12, 2006, 04:48 PM
cloture means they have agreed to end debate and put it to a vote, it doesn't mean they have passed it.

Firethorn
January 12, 2006, 05:36 PM
cloture means they have agreed to end debate and put it to a vote, it doesn't mean they have passed it.

+1

It is progress however, because Ernie Chambers would otherwise try to philibuster it like he has every other time it's come up.

scout26
January 12, 2006, 05:56 PM
Right, I understand the Cloture vote. I also read/understand that it "passed" and now goes to/becomes something called "Select File". Again the governor has promised to sign it. So my question is: "Is it basically a done deal ??? or can Sen. Chambers pull some parlimentary trickery and kill it again this year ???"

TrapperReady
January 12, 2006, 06:50 PM
Again the governor has promised to sign it.


[wisconsin resident]
...sigh...
[wisconsin resident]

Just count me as envious of your governor's leadership. Good luck!

steveno
January 12, 2006, 07:01 PM
I wouldn't count out ernie just yet

Monkeyleg
January 12, 2006, 07:15 PM
Sounds like Ernie is desperate.

Somebody should remind him that both sides can filibuster legislation.

Good luck, Nebraskans! You don't know how lucky you are to have a governor on your side.

If we in Wisconsin didn't have Doyle, we'd have concealed carry now.

SIOP
January 12, 2006, 08:25 PM
For a bill to be passed into law in Nebraska, it must be voted on twice. It passed today, which means it goes into select file to be voted on again at a later date. There is still a funding bill that needs to pass, also. When it comes up again in select file, it will again be subject to filibusters, amendments, etc., so yes, we have made progress, but no, it ain't a done deal yet.

mec
January 12, 2006, 08:32 PM
"Good luck, Nebraskans! You don't know how lucky you are to have a governor on your side."

that is basically true. Texas worked on one for ten years ( the leg meeting every second year) with anne richards against it all the way. She even vetoed a non-binding referendum on the issue. George Bush said he would sign it, got voted in and signed it into law.

Standing Wolf
January 12, 2006, 10:25 PM
Well done, Nebraskans! Keep up the good work!

texascarl
January 12, 2006, 11:09 PM
Send your governor down to talk to our Governor in Kansas, see if he can talk some sense into her. We'd have had CCW here years ago without her.

scout26
January 13, 2006, 11:00 AM
SIOP,

Thanks for the answer. Congrats on clearing a major hurdle. So if it passed once, it can pass twice. Ernie can try to filibuster, but if you got the votes for cloture this time, you should have them again, next time. Again you also have a governor willing to sign it.

Trapper Ready,

It could be worse, at least your CCW legislation see the light of day and gets voted on. Plus you've got a reeeaaaallllll good chance of getting it passed this year despite the governor's threatened veto. Here in Illinois, the House Speaker Mike "Whose your Daddy"* Madigan sticks our CCW bill in the Rules committee where is slowly dies, while Daley's Gun Control bills hit the floor for a vote every year.

*Our State Attorney General is Lisa Madigan, his daughter.

SIOP
January 13, 2006, 11:03 AM
Well, we've been this far before - passing the first round and then withering on the vine, so it's far from over.

Also, I think that it actually has to be voted on three times, not two, but I think that the last time is just a final reading and not subject to debate or filibusters. But I'd have to double-check the rules on that to be sure the last vote is just a yay or nay.

hayseed
January 13, 2006, 01:01 PM
[may issue Iowa resident]
........sigh........
[may issue Iowa resident]

we need a Republican governor.....

racenutz
January 13, 2006, 05:13 PM
we need a Republican governor.....

Seeing what Vilsack did to tax bill a couple of years ago (he used his line-item veto to remove all the tax cuts from the bill) I'd be scarred what he'd do to a shall-issue CCW bill.

TrapperReady
January 13, 2006, 05:51 PM
Scout26 - I'm an Illinois escapee, so I'm well familiar with the goings-on south of the border. Frankly, I think we've got a decent chance, but I won't discount Doyle's manipulations until the override is passed or he's out of office.

Don Gwinn
January 13, 2006, 06:20 PM
Republicans are no protection. The only Governor who ever vetoed CCW in Illinois was Jim "The Hair" Edgar. Before him, we had Big Jim Thompson, who ruled like a king for over a decade and could have gotten a CCW bill any year he wanted one. After Edgar, we had George Ryan, who solemnly declared that when he was a boy, he never needed an M16 assault weapon to bring home a squirrel for ma to cook up.

When Ryan was sent packing, we got Blagojevich, the Democrat who is known for saying that a .50 BMG cartridge is the size of a ketchup bottle and that a sniper on the Sears tower could kill people at Wrigley Field.

What people forget is that his opponent in that race was Jim Ryan, a Republican, who actually ran a sting operation as Attorney General in which his investigators convinced people to break the law by insisting that it was not illegal to ship guns directly over state lines rather than sending them to FFL holders. He was a disgusting anti-gun slug who didn't care what law or principle he broke as long as he could screw gun owners.


I shouldn't make it sound like there's absolutely no difference between Democrats and Republicans nationwide, but I'm tired of the seesaw in Illinois.

I certainly hope Nebraska is seeing the light at the end of the tunnel, but it's depressing to see how far we haven't come.

sturmruger
January 13, 2006, 06:27 PM
I have listened online to the floor debates in most of the States that have passed CCW in the last few years or have been close to passing CCW they include MN, OH, MO, CO, and my home state of WI. That Ernie is by far the craziest SOB I have ever heard that is actually an elected official. HE makes the schmucks we have in WI look like Charlton Heston!!!

I hope they can do something about him next election.

scout26
January 13, 2006, 06:44 PM
Sturm,

I don't think they have to do anything. IIRC, He's term-limited out in the next year or two. :cool:

Don,

Just think, we might have had CCW if Poshard (D) had beaten George "Hey, Where's my Nobel Prize for emptying Death Row" Ryan.

Moondoggie
January 13, 2006, 06:55 PM
Ahhh...Ernie Chambers. He is indeed a one-of-a-kind piece of work. If you're a beliver in democracy, then you gotta love him because he VERY accurately reflects the attitides and opinions of his constituancy. His district in N Omaha has the largest concentration of a particular ethnic/socio-economic group in our fair state and Ernie's claim to fame is "Sticking it to THE MAN". Most of the stodgy folks of the other ethnic persuasion in our Unicameral have absolutely no idea of how to deal with his antics/tactics. He has had the rest of the Unimicameral totally intimidated for a couple of decades now. High time for him to depart, and indeed he is term-limited to the dustbin of history (where he belongs) in 2008. I've always been amazed that someone hasn't given him a grenade and kept the pin all these years.

It IS interesting to note that one of the Senators that voted FOR cloture actually voted AGAINST LB454. I'd call that a man of conscience.

LB454 passed with 33 of 49 possible votes. Only 26 were required for passage. The cloture vote was instrumental and bodes well for the future of the bill. I'm hopeful that this is a signal that the remainder of the Unicameral are finally reaching down and getting ahold of them and standing up on their hind legs to Ernie.

Standing Wolf
January 13, 2006, 10:05 PM
we need a Republican governor.....

I'd say you need a Libertarian governor.

Zundfolge
January 13, 2006, 10:29 PM
Send your governor down to talk to our Governor in Kansas, see if he can talk some sense into her. We'd have had CCW here years ago without her.
You'd have had CCW years ago if it wasn't for former Republican (RINO) Governor Bill Graves vetoing it TWICE!

Now you have a full on socialist Governess who only cares about forcing business to do what she wants and casinos run by indians.

Shallenburger would have given you guys CCW but too many RINOs* in that state for a real Republican to win the Governor's race.



*please note I'm talking primarily about the party apparatus, not the people of Kansas.

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