Texas or New Hampshire?


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TheArchDuke
January 13, 2006, 12:54 PM
It'll still be another 4 or 5 years before I can leave California, but I was wondering which of these states I should move to. I just can't decide.

Which state has better gun laws? Which states has better cost of living/good income? Does Texas have any good cities that don't get hotter than hell in the summer? Conversly, does New Hampshire have any cities that don't freeze solid in the winter? I personally love the snow but my girlfriend of over four years, who may very well become my wife and move with me, can't stand the cold. But me? I can't handle heat. If it's more than 70 or 75 degrees, I stay inside haha. So you can see our problem. I'd be willing to move to a place with a similar climate as San Diego.


Decisions decisions.

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springmom
January 13, 2006, 01:00 PM
Texas has five climates to choose from. Take your pick. You can have snow in winter if you want it (Panhandle, North Texas) or never see snow (South Texas, Southeast Texas). You can have desert (west Texas, trans-Pecos) or you can have hill country (Central Texas) or you can have piney woods (east Texas).

OTOH, if you want to ski, I think you will have to go with New Hampshire. Although if you live in the Panhandle or west Texas, you're not too far from New Mexico.

Financially, it depends on where you live, but Texas in general has a very good cost of living. No state income tax. Houston has the best employment situation in the state, IIRC, but Dallas/Ft Worth, Lubbock, Amarillo, and of course my beloved Austin area (I miss Austin) have good job bases too. VERY friendly people...you move in, you are WELCOME and made to feel so.

Springmom

TheArchDuke
January 13, 2006, 01:06 PM
Texas has five climates to choose from. Take your pick. You can have snow in winter if you want it (Panhandle, North Texas) or never see snow (South Texas, Southeast Texas). You can have desert (west Texas, trans-Pecos) or you can have hill country (Central Texas) or you can have piney woods (east Texas).

OTOH, if you want to ski, I think you will have to go with New Hampshire. Although if you live in the Panhandle or west Texas, you're not too far from New Mexico.

Springmom

Thanks springmom. I'll probably end up choosing Texas. It seems to be a better place for big city folk like me. But I just love the new England forests and hills. *sigh* I guess I'll just have to visit NH often :rolleyes:

duckslayer
January 13, 2006, 01:08 PM
It is about 70 degrees in Dallas right now. Although, that is an anomoly. It gets hot here in the summer, and usually cold in the winter. It snows about every year, but it only lasts a day or so. You won't like the summers here. Houston is worse in the summer, with the 99% humidity.

I would argue that cost of living vs. income is better in Texas, but New Hampshire has better scenery.

TheArchDuke
January 13, 2006, 01:08 PM
and of course my beloved Austin area (I miss Austin) have good job bases too. VERY friendly people...you move in, you are WELCOME and made to feel so.

Springmom


Yeah I was thinking about Austin. Everyone says it's the liberal city in Texas but to me it seems pretty conservative...compared to my state.

one-shot-one
January 13, 2006, 01:15 PM
Which state has better gun laws? texas
Which states has better cost of living/good income? don't know
Does Texas have any good cities that don't get hotter than hell in the summer? no
Conversly, does New Hampshire have any cities that don't freeze solid in the winter? no

TechBrute
January 13, 2006, 01:22 PM
If you're that picky, stay in San Diego.

I sold my 1050sqft house in Escondido, nowhere near the beach, near some shady parts of town, for $305K, moved back to Dallas, and bought a 2500sqft house for less than half of that, in a nicer area than what I was.

Heat? Pfffft. I can afford to run my AC non-stop throughout the summer and I still have electric bills less than when I was being miserly in San Diego. My wife doesn't have to work now, so she's home all day with our soon to be 3 kids with the AC running non-stop.

springmom
January 13, 2006, 01:22 PM
Which state has better gun laws? texas
Which states has better cost of living/good income? don't know
Does Texas have any good cities that don't get hotter than hell in the summer? no
Conversly, does New Hampshire have any cities that don't freeze solid in the winter? no

Texas is cheaper and has better job situations, on the whole.

Besides, you can always go sit in Barton Springs Pool to cool off if you move to Austin. :evil: The evil grin is because Barton Springs is about 55 degrees all year round and if you jump in that puppy on an 100 degree day you are going to learn what it is to walk on water to get back to dry ground quick! LOL! :what: :neener:

Springmom, missing Austin worse for talking about it.... :(

jacobtowne
January 13, 2006, 01:40 PM
If you are unfamiliar with the rigors of a northern New England winter, and your lady does not like the cold, I guess you have little choice.
If you can adapt to winter temperatures that fall well below zero, and annual snowfalls of four to ten feet, depending on location, NH would be a possibility.
That said, winter does not last all year (although heavy snow in March or April makes me lose faith occasionally). There are four seasons here, after all.
JT

Chipperman
January 13, 2006, 01:49 PM
NH has no income tax OR sales tax, so they beat TX there.

For guns laws, the biggest advantage NH has over TX is where you can carry. In NH, you can carry almost anywhere, except a courtroom. In TX, you have the silly no carry in schools or in bars, and the 30.06 bullcrap.

Rockrivr1
January 13, 2006, 01:58 PM
"NH has no income tax OR sales tax, so they beat TX there"

This is true, but on the reverse side, NH has a pretty hefty property tax. That's how they make up for not having income or sales tax.

If your future wife does not like the cold your SOL if you were thinking of NH. Plus, if your really looking for a state with great gun rights, you should consider Vermont. They have virtually no gun laws at all. If it's made and not a machine gun, you can buy it there. Open carry and they honor every states LTC. Now that's a state to live in. Not exactly sure what you'd do up there for work though unless you were in the Ski or Wood industries. Maybe someone from there could tell you that.

boofus
January 13, 2006, 02:02 PM
new england is the armpit of America. It is entirely too close to the contagious liberal nonsense emanating from New Dork and Assachusetts.

Come down here to TX where you can still find good Mexican food and shoot any kind of gun imaginable. You could put ALL of new england into Texas and probably still have room to spare, that's how big and wide freedom should be.

Brad Johnson
January 13, 2006, 02:26 PM
If you want some info on Lubbock, I'd be happy to oblige.

Couple of highlights...

90th largest city in the U.S. but it still feels like a small town. Heck you can get all the way from one side of town to the other in twenty minutes (and that's on a bad day!)

In November 2005 was named by Money Magazine as the most affordable college town in the U.S.

We have really nice folks here.

Info from Wikipedia - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lubbock,_Texas

By car we are:

2 hours from Amarillo and Midland/Odessa
4 hours from Ruidoso (ski)
5 hours from Ft. Worth, Albuqurque, Sante Fe, and El Paso
6 Hours to Dallas
7 hours to Red River and Taos (also ski, with Taos being pretty darn good)
9 hours to Denver, Flagstaff, and most of northern New Mexico
10-12 hours to most of central and southwestern Colorado (MOUNTAINS!)
12 hours to Las Vegas
18 hours to Chicago (don't know why you'd want to go, but now you know..)

RyanM
January 13, 2006, 02:40 PM
CCW in NH requires $10 for 4 years (renewal $10), and you need to know 3 people who'll vouch for you being of good mental health (people from back home in CA is fine, and the police almost never contact references unless the background check turns up something a little fishy). No fingerprints. Processing time is very short. I believe NH state law says that they must process your application within either one or two weeks.

CCW in TX requires $140 for 5 years (renewal $70), requires a 10-15 hour training course, and fingerprints. Processing may take up to 180 days. 30-60 days is an optimistic estimate.

rbernie
January 13, 2006, 02:55 PM
Given your climate choices, you might want to look at elevated locations in high desert climes (e.g. Sante Fe, NM or Flagstaff, AZ) as opposed to trying to just 'pick a state'.

Having said that - I'm presently living north of Dallas, but I'd be right happy to move down to Austin.

oweno
January 13, 2006, 03:17 PM
>Which state has better gun laws?

Dunno for sure but my bet is NH.

>Which states has better cost of living/good income?

NH taxes are wicked low, even our property taxes ain't all that bad. Especially if you're a veteran. My town gives us vets $500 off our tax bill.

> Conversly, does New Hampshire have any cities that don't freeze solid in the winter?

No.

>I personally love the snow but my girlfriend of over four years, who may very >well become my wife and move with me, can't stand the cold.

This pretty much rules out NH but, you can do neat stuff in the winter like skiing, snowmobiling, ice fishing, own your own snowblower, learn the advantage of 4-wheel drive on local streets (you don't have to go off-road to need 4WD), have fun in your car in a parking lot after freezing rain, drive on lakes, ... the list goes on. Oh yeah, no rattlesnakes up here too.

> I'd be willing to move to a place with a similar climate as San Diego.

San Deigo this ain't. Not even close.

But good luck.

scott5
January 13, 2006, 03:49 PM
Given your climate choices, you might want to look at elevated locations in high desert climes (e.g. Sante Fe, NM or Flagstaff, AZ) as opposed to trying to just 'pick a state'.

Having said that - I'm presently living north of Dallas, but I'd be right happy to move down to Austin.

TheArchDuke,
I don't think you want to live in Sante Fe, unless you to feel like your living in a hippy new age Mecca.:mad:

Sante Fe is what keeps this state liberal, as the rest of the state votes conservitive Sante Fe votes liberal and has enough pull and people to drag the entire state down:cuss:

If you stay out of Sante Fe and Bernileo county, then you will find gun havens everywhere.

TheArchDuke
January 13, 2006, 04:36 PM
Come down here to TX where you can still find good Mexican food and shoot any kind of gun imaginable.


You know, I didn't even consider the possibility of losing the wonder that is Mexican food. Haha that is a great point.

TheArchDuke
January 13, 2006, 04:37 PM
If you want some info on Lubbock, I'd be happy to oblige.

Couple of highlights...

90th largest city in the U.S. but it still feels like a small town. Heck you can get all the way from one side of town to the other in twenty minutes (and that's on a bad day!)


Haha I'm in the 7th largest city right now. But that does sound like a nice city. We'll have to check it out.

pisztoly
January 13, 2006, 04:38 PM
new england is the armpit of America. It is entirely too close to the contagious liberal nonsense emanating from New Dork and Assachusetts.

Come down here to TX where you can still find good Mexican food and shoot any kind of gun imaginable. You could put ALL of new england into Texas and probably still have room to spare, that's how big and wide freedom should be.

Kindly don't paint New England with one brush. Maine, New Hampshire and Vermont are friendly to gun owners and excellent places to live. NH is the best of course (I may be a LITTLE biased). :)

NH is a "shall issue" state. There is currently a bill pending in the legislature that would make it a Class "A" Felony for any public official to attempt to confiscate firearms in the event of a "Katrina" like disaster. In short, for the most part we have our ???? together.

As far as New Yorkers are concerned they are of no concern to NH, just VT.
You are entirely correct in regards to Ass a Chew Sits however,those stupid SOBs move to NH (and ME) to "escape" MA, then try to remake our states in their pathetic image.:banghead:

MA is certainly the armpit of NE, just as CA is certainly the ??????? of the U.S.

Azrael256
January 13, 2006, 04:45 PM
From Dallas, I can drive several hundred miles in almost any direction without having to put my CCW in the trunk. I can have crawfish in Mobile, chiles in Alamogordo and... whatever Oklahoma is good for... Tumbleweed stew, I guess, all without taking off my pistol.

Try that in New Hampshire.

20cows
January 13, 2006, 05:16 PM
We don't even know what the "frost line" is. (I think that's what you call how deep you have to dig a foundation to be below the level at which the ground freezes in the winter, but honestly, I don't really know). :D

SSN Vet
January 13, 2006, 05:26 PM
If you don't like to get out and do things in the winter...
ski, snowmobile, skate, snow shoe, etc...You probably won't like the North.

NH has extremely low crime rates and small town living...it's a great place to raise a family.

The state gov't is so strapped for cash they don't have the resources to "play socialism" (as if the voters here would let them get away with it anyway)...so if you come, be prepared to stand on your own two feet.

My wife worked for a man who moved his market research business from CA to NH after an exhaustive study (He could move to any state). NH is a good place to run a business.

As for Liberty issues....just read the license plate "Live Free or Die"

The Libertarian party chose NH for their Free State Project and are supposed to get 20,000 people to move to NH to concentrate their influence (only on million in the whole state!).

NH has no border issues (unless you're hoping to smuggle cheep booze and cigarettes into Canada) and no issue with illegals.....not really a very diverse place.

Manedwolf
January 13, 2006, 05:26 PM
Thanks springmom. I'll probably end up choosing Texas. It seems to be a better place for big city folk like me. But I just love the new England forests and hills. *sigh* I guess I'll just have to visit NH often :rolleyes:

Big polluted cities surrounded by zero-lotline SUV-in-every-driveway soccermom developments, you mean. The air of Dallas, for one, is nasty.

NH at least still has clean air and lots of forest between towns.

Live Free Or Die
January 13, 2006, 06:02 PM
The Libertarian party chose NH for their Free State Project and are supposed to get 20,000 people to move to NH to concentrate their influence (only on million in the whole state!).

The Libertarian Party doesn't have anything to do with the Free State Project (http://freestateproject.org), although its participants tend to be ideologically libertarian. And the population is more like 1.3 million. But who's counting? :)

TexAg
January 13, 2006, 06:58 PM
NH has no income tax OR sales tax, so they beat TX there.

For guns laws, the biggest advantage NH has over TX is where you can carry. In NH, you can carry almost anywhere, except a courtroom. In TX, you have the silly no carry in schools or in bars, and the 30.06 bullcrap.

Yeah you can't carry [I]in[I] schools and there is the 30.06 signs, but I have only seen a picture of one and not one in real life. The good thing, is that we can drive for hundreds and hundreds of miles, through TX, into OK, LA, NM soon, CO, etc. and not worry about putting the gun in the trunk or whatever.

rritter
January 13, 2006, 07:57 PM
I lived 8 years in New Hampshire, and then moved back to Texas. Both states are good places to live, but you and your girlfriend have opposite climate requirements. That's not gonna make things easy.

New Hampshire - no income tax, no sales tax, but my property taxes were twice what they are in Texas. No NH cities stay warm in the winter - they all freeze, some harder than others! Heating bills can be high - avoid houses with electric heat.

Texas - no income tax, but sales tax. Property tax rates about half of NH. No Texas cities stay cool in the summer - they all get hot, and some get hot and HUMID. Air conditioning is your friend. Power bills for A/C generally not as high as heating bills in New England.

Texas has more cities with good jobs - Austin, Dallas/Ft. Worth, Houston, San Antonio. NH has Nashua, and by now maybe Manchester. Lots of NH folks live in NH and work in Massachusetts. Both states have nice countryside to live in. NH is mainly trees, Texas can get you anything but tundra, depending on where you settle - forest, plains, hills, mountains, desert, seacoast, etc.

Mexican food - in NH, Taco Bell counts as a decent Mexican restaurant and may be the best in town. New England food in general is very bland, but seafood can be good. Texas has way more coastline than NH, so fresh seafood can be had here, also. More shrimp than lobster, though. Good asian food (Chinese, Japanese, Thai, Indian) is available in both states.

Choose well, grasshopper!

springmom
January 13, 2006, 08:08 PM
CCW in TX requires $140 for 5 years (renewal $70), requires a 10-15 hour training course, and fingerprints. Processing may take up to 180 days. 30-60 days is an optimistic estimate.

Maybe I read too much into the original post, but I somehow got the impression he was retiring? If so, the CHL (not ccw) in Texas is quite a bit less as of 9/1/05. And processing does NOT take 180 days. I had mine in less than 60, and that is standard, not "optimistic". Sorry, but wrong.

Springmom

springmom
January 13, 2006, 08:11 PM
Big polluted cities surrounded by zero-lotline SUV-in-every-driveway soccermom developments, you mean. The air of Dallas, for one, is nasty.

NH at least still has clean air and lots of forest between towns.

Well, if you haven't checked the map lately, there's a lot more to Texas than Dallas......

Sheesh.

Springmom

palerider1
January 13, 2006, 08:13 PM
move to Texas,,,,the girls are prettier there and the gunlaws are less strict.. sorry New Hampshire,,,been to both places and Texas has you beat.

Texfire
January 13, 2006, 08:41 PM
Yeah I was thinking about Austin. Everyone says it's the liberal city in Texas but to me it seems pretty conservative...compared to my state.

Hmmm might be a new Austin slogan. Austin Texas, where even the liberals are conservative. ;)

Tex

garyk/nm
January 13, 2006, 09:03 PM
Just curious as to why these 2 choices? There are a lot of good places to live NOT in those 2 states.
Flagstaff, AZ is one place which you both might like, as opposed to Santa Fe, which is mostly California dressed in suede and turquoise.

Seriously, there are other places to live.

NMshooter
January 13, 2006, 09:53 PM
But Gary, if he comes here he has to become ONE OF US (cue sinister music):what:

:neener:

New Mexico is not that bad, certainly better than California.

And unlike Texas you can fill your vehicle with loaded guns legally.:evil:

Legion1776
January 13, 2006, 10:11 PM
"......Big polluted cities surrounded by zero-lotline SUV-in-every-driveway soccermom developments, you mean. The air of Dallas, for one, is nasty..."


LOL. Nothing like the stench of Harry Hines Blvd. on a scorching August afternoon.

sm
January 13, 2006, 10:27 PM
Born and raised in the South.

No offense, but anytime a person "not from around these parts" would come down to the South, business or just visting, especially from New York City, or San Francisco..

We made it clear...not hinted...clear..."We are dead set on keeping what we got a secret".
" Ha Ha, your kidding?"
<stern looks>

"Yooze guyz are not kidding?" :)

I hear NH is a nice place. Enjoy, send a Postcard...:p

--
Texas.
I am considered a Texan, Southern for damn sure. Just the Stork totally screwed up and dropped me in AR.

Spent a lot of time in TX. Burned up many a mile , and fired tens of thousands of rds in TX.

I know where Spring TX is. [what is the statue of limitations btw?]

See you run to Galvenston to get BIG shrimp, then head to Beaumont, to pick up the gun you had worked on, you buy another while there, and miss all that North of Houston traffic heading to The Woodlands. Spring is on the way.

That was me in the Blue GMC short bed with a chest freezer , tail gate down.
Plugged in when before I left, Plug back in at Beaumont, Shrimp is still frozen when I hit The Woodlands.
Unload freezer wth Shrimp, get the HUGE Pot a boiling, Kegs are ready...
Beats wagging ice chests and buying ice.
WE do Fried, and Boiled shrimp.

Proper Shrimp Gun in Texas? - I was using a Steel Combat Commander with Ivory stocks. :D

:uhoh: Someone check on Springmom, I think she done got a case of the vapors...

:D

Put your hand over your heart and face Texas- Hell Yeah!

Steve

wdlsguy
January 13, 2006, 10:28 PM
NM soon

Right now, actually.

http://www.dps.nm.org/faq/reciprocity_list05.pdf

Cosmoline
January 13, 2006, 10:32 PM
If you can't make it up here, move to Texas.

Like the yoik goes, Hey ho yeah yeah yeah Texas Texas Texas Texas

TIMC
January 13, 2006, 10:37 PM
One of the biggest thing I have not seen mentioned is You can shoot at the outdoor ranges all year round without being in snow up to your butt! and you car/truck does not rust away from all the salt use on the roads.

hank327
January 14, 2006, 12:49 AM
Texas is AWFUL! It gets hotter'n blue blazes here. You've never lived until you've spent a day in Houston when it's 108 degrees and 95% humidity.(Labor Day weekend 2001) There is no getting around the fact that Texas is hot.
In fact, General William Tecumseh Sherman upon touring Texas after the Civil War remarked, "If I owned Texas and I owned Hell, I'd rent out Texas and live in Hell". :)

We have tornados that flatten whole towns, http://jarrell-tornado.area51.ipupdater.com/

Hailstorms with hailstones the size of softballs: http://www.stormtrack.org/library/1995/hail.htm

Hurricanes that flatten whole regions:http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9389157/

It gets cold too. Here in the Dallas/Ft. Worth area it reached -2 degrees below zero in 1990 or 1991 IIRC. It doesn't snow much, but we do get ice storms and those are always fun. There is now snow/ice clearing equipment in Texas so driving is always a thrill aftern an ice storm. We have "blue northers" like the one in December of '83 when at 5 pm it was in the 70's and two hours later it was in the 'teens'. By morning it was in the single digits. See here: http://www.authorsden.com/visit/viewarticle.asp?AuthorID=5240&id=6099
Texas is a hard place to live when compared to SoCal.

The air pollution is bad, the traffic is horrible and getting worse by the day. We are being overrun by invaders from south of the border and from north of the Red River. Please go to New Hampshire as Texas is full up!

PS: I can now relate to that old Alaskan saying from the pipeline construction days. It went something like, "Happiness is 10,000 Okies headed south with a Texan under each arm!". :D :D

North Texan
January 14, 2006, 12:54 AM
If you want some info on Lubbock, I'd be happy to oblige.

Couple of highlights...

90th largest city in the U.S. but it still feels like a small town. Heck you can get all the way from one side of town to the other in twenty minutes (and that's on a bad day!)

In November 2005 was named by Money Magazine as the most affordable college town in the U.S.

We have really nice folks here.



90th largest, but 2nd most conservative!

I am taking full advantage of the affordability as we speak.

Plus, we have Crickets, Jake's, Chimey's, and Fox and Hound.

drinks
January 14, 2006, 01:01 AM
However;
If you are within 50 miles of the coast in Texas the vehicle will soon resemble lace.
All of Texas gets Very Hot, at least part of the year.
I forget which yankee general said it, but it was " If I owned Texas and Hell, I would rent out Texas and live in Hell".
Of course, those of us in Texas would say,:Good riddance".
All of Texas gets hot, some parts longer than others, the southern 3 rd is normally humid, but has the best recreational oportunities.
The area west of I.H.35 is, in general , low in fertility and short on rainfall.
The Dallas - Ft. Worth area east is pretty nice country, has a drought or 2 and has very wet spells.
The South Eastern part is also nice, does get very hot, has almost no freezes, but when it does , it is usually a 3 to 10 day spell of freezing rain, sleet, snow and other crud shipped down from up north.
This happens about every 9-12 years.
There is a bunch of fishing, if you like sunfish, large mouth and spotted bass and catfish, all year long.
Unless you move to Lubbock, the major body of water there is " Buffalo Wallow Lake" , actually a place where buffalo used to uinate and then wallow in it, now , an outlet for the sewer plant.
Don :D

rangerruck
January 14, 2006, 01:17 AM
i am bias, but there is definitely a spirit here that is unlike anywhere else in the whole world, you can tell poeple you are from this or that state, when you are in a foreign country or if you meet them here. and they will say oh, that nice. But when you say"well , i'm from Texas" something lights up in their faces and they want to know about it. we play hard, we pray hard, the economy kicks everybody elses butt, if you live in housotn , yes you will fry in the summer, as you will in new york, you will just have more days of it here, In houston you are 1 to 2 hrs dirve time away form everthing. if you like big open plains, drive west, if you like snow drive norht , if you like the big rolling pine country , drive norhteast. if you like the beach drive south. As long as you live above i-10 you will burn up a little less. i -10 is really like the mason dixon line of weather in texas. taxes are low, it is a right ot work state, the gun laws here ae pretty decent, there are a ton of places to go and shoot. the history of the state of texas is very unique it is well worht learning , even if they no longer teach it in school. if you like sports, then Texas is king, especially football. Ii is also a right to work state, and the Dem mayor of housotn Bill white, actually took on the different power broker downtown groups and the unions, what guts! i have not voted for a dem in years, but if this guy runs for anything , i will vote for him. besides, i think the greatest speech ever given was called "not yours to give" if i remember right it was given either by Travis or Crockett. when finished he realized that the others werent seeing things the way he did, and he said this, "to hell with Tennessee, I'm going to Texas!"
yes there are more pretty girls here in texas per square mile, than anywhere else, but that wont matter to him , he has a main squeeze allready. that siad you may watn to stay away from Dallas, there can be pockets of high nose snobbery there.

Johnny_Yuma
January 14, 2006, 01:56 AM
I spent 7 years in Dallas. North Carolina is nice but I very much miss being in Texas. Texans are rough, rugged, tough, honorable, and friendly. In short, they are the best people in the world and I miss them very much.

Never been to New Hampshire. Don't intend to go, neither.

cbsbyte
January 14, 2006, 02:30 AM
New Hampshire is the best. The state has lakes, mountains, rivers, hills, seashore and its close to Boston(ok that is more a negative, than a positive). There is little crime in NH except in certain areas of Concord. Unlike Texas thare are no extemely hot summers, hurricanes, tornados or illegals problems in NH. People from NH don't have funny accents. There are longer winters, but this year it has been mostly rain. Southern NH is the only place in the state for year round jobs. The northern or central parts are more geared towards logging, farming and tourism. Many high tech industry moved into the state from Mass back in the ninetys. Strum Ruger moved their rifle/shotgun manufacturing plant to the state some years ago from Connecticut.

Besides property taxes, NH does have luxury taxes on certain high price items, and taxes on Dining and Lodging.

edave
January 14, 2006, 02:38 AM
Compared to Cali, either Texas or New Hampshire would be an upgrade to a freer America!

As far as gun laws go, NH likely has Texas beat. Owning Class III weaponry is no big deal (assuming you have the money for Class III stuff), and, with the exception of Alaska and neighboring Vermont, CCW doesn't get much better: shall-issue (since 1923!), no training requirement, no fingerprinting, permits cost $10 for four years and by law must be issued (or denied in writing, denial appealable to court) within two weeks, state-wide preemption of local firearms ordinances (so uniform laws state-wide, cities can't make up their own firearms ordinances), and the only statutory carry prohibition is for courthouses. Open carry is also legal, although you don't see it in the (few) cities all that often.

As mentioned previously, no personal income tax (though there is a tax on dividends and interest), no capital gains taxes, no sales taxes. Property taxes are higher, though.

With regards to weather, however, if you don't like, um, cooler weather, then New Hampshire might not be for you. Although it was in the mid-40's today -- t-shirt and shorts weather. :)

Good luck with your decision.

TechBrute
January 14, 2006, 10:41 AM
Let me say this, if you whine as much as Hank does, move elsewhere. We Texas men have a reputation which he is not helping.

Stand_Watie
January 14, 2006, 11:19 AM
Kindly don't paint New England with one brush. Maine, New Hampshire and Vermont are friendly to gun owners and excellent places to live. NH is the best of course (I may be a LITTLE biased).

+1

Northern New England is nothing like southern, with the exception of the trendy areas with a lot of transplants from New York and Boston.

Northern New England doesn't have the job opportunities that Texas has, but that said, the rural parts of Texas that are the most equivalent to Northern New England don't either.

Rregarding people - the people are just as kind and decent in both places - the difference is just cultural - Texans are more smiley and chatty and New Englanders (rural) are more reserved.

As someone has already mentioned, there is no place in Texas that doesn't get miserably hot in the summer, and no place in NH that doesn't get miserably cold in the winter.

Perhaps (qualified) if your career issues are right, the far northern tip of panhandle Texas might be the spot, as you are within just a couple hours drive of Colorado cool mountain climes for weekend escapes. But if you're willing to go that far north for good gun laws, include NW Oklahoma as they have good gun laws too. I'd also consider Nevada and Arizona. Both states with good gun laws and parts of the state that are warm almost year round but within spitting distance of cooler mountain climates.

Devonai
January 14, 2006, 11:31 AM
There is hope for Massachusetts yet. The legislature just soundly defeated a bill that would have allowed illegal aliens and their children to qualify for the residential (and therefore lower) college tuition rages. Plus Ted Kennedy can't live forever.

I think the best measure of firearms laws is how often you notice them. In NH, once you pay your $10 for your carry permit you won't have to think about them for four years. If you're into SBRs, supressors or Class III all you have to do is fill out the paperwork and pay the $200 to the feds.

As for the weather, some of us consider the frozen landscape to be beautiful.

Essex County
January 14, 2006, 12:25 PM
Some of my Texas friends do not know of witch they speak....... I feel qualified to give some insight. First the Gun laws are a plus in N.H. Absolutely no problem, I'm a vermonter and they have no problem giving me one. You can walk around with a loaded handgun without a permit if it's not concealed by clothing. Even after the property tax issue you come out ahead. Good paying jobs are plentiful in southern N.H.,harder to come by in the North Country. I love South Texas with all my heart. I've lived in Laredo for four years and Eagle Pass more recently for three more. I miss the friends and the great Tex-Mex. Just don't give opinions on N.H. if you haven't lived there............Essex

TheArchDuke
January 14, 2006, 12:54 PM
To springmom, No I'm not retiring. I haven't even started my career. Turned 20 in November. I gotta get my stuff together before I can move anywhere. Hopefully that will be just about 4 or 5 years.


To whoever was from NH Hampshire and said 40 degrees was tee-shirt weather, That place sounds like heaven to me haha. I love the cold. There's nothing more beautiful than rolling hills of silvery snow with black finger-like trees reaching for huge puffy clouds. I love winter.

But I think I'm gonna have to go to Texas. Not to sound disappointed or anything. Texas seems like an awesome place. New Hampshire doesn't seem like it would have much of a job market for a graphic designer/animator like myself haha.

Brad Johnson
January 14, 2006, 02:25 PM
Plus, we have Crickets, Jake's, Chimey's, and Fox and Hound.

Fox and Hound?! I'm a regular - heck, we've probably met. Me and some of the other regulars usually camp out at the bar end of one of the tall entry tables. I'm usually a Friday night kinda guy, get there about 10 or so. Most other nights I have something going on.

Brad

sm
January 14, 2006, 02:25 PM
http://www.texfiles.com/tourintexas/Aug3/Luckenbach2/index.htm

I ever get rich, I want to buy a place like Luckenbach.
I'd add dash of Lantry [Judge Roy Bean, and Miss Lillie]
You cannot enter if not armed, sic hanging Judge Bean on ya...

Texas is not hot - that is called humidity - we call it sweat!

You can ski in TX, yep sure can. Don't need water or snow either...farm truck, dusty field, rope, and forget jumping over the 'rooster tails' on water, real rooters in the ditches are a hoot...Take off the rudder dealies on the skis first...

Now if'n you visit, and head down Dallas Way. Wear a tied to Trailduster - you will get a free beer for wearing a tie - yep sure will. *snicker*
If you can eat that 54 oz steak in one sitting - meal is free.

Oh Phooey, forgot name of place next door...anywho cute gals in swings over head get to swinging higher...and higher...and kick a brass bell...
They gotta chocolate dessert...rich as a foot up a bull's butt...

Helluva deal, Free eats for wearing a tie and clearing your plate. Bet NH aint' got that?.

While in Dallas, be sure to take the wife on a tour of Harry Hines Blvd. She will be so impressed. Given a choice do not be surprised if she wants to head back to Fort Worth...

Get Reservations at the Reunion Arena Restuarant on Top...see that big lighted ball up there - that is a resturarnt that revolves.

I forget the place with the Jackass out in the Parking Lot, I recommend the Buffalo steak....off I35...well like most stuff you can see where you want to go...getting there is another thing...

Houston.
See the Highway Dept all had Spaghetti at lunch one day..."Hey, we can do this with concrete..."
Now you know why Houston has the Spaghetti Bowl. It is true...really.

Them diagonal stripes on Highway 59...that is for the "Bear in the air" to clock speeders. I may or may not know anything about the "Southbound and Down Club" ...*rumor is* they flew low at night...and I ain't talking off airplanes either...

Oh I do fine up north..the times I've been...
West Virginnie ain't north...just a Oasis for Southern Folks.

Don't rule out Tenn. Memphis is Dangerous, great food, blues. Some of the out of the way places b/t Memphis to Nashville to Knoxville to north to Ky- breathtaking and I mean you cannot get a chicken fried steak if you do not have at least one gun on person...;)

hank327
January 14, 2006, 02:42 PM
Let me say this, if you whine as much as Hank does, move elsewhere. We Texas men have a reputation which he is not helping.

Hmmmm.... I suppose you mistake tongue in cheek for whining. :banghead: :banghead:

I am a native Texan and love it here. I don't plan on moving elswhere either.
The thread starter seems to be very climate sensitive, so I just wanted to
let him know that Texas has extreme climatic conditions.

However, I won't deny that I wish people would stop moving to Texas. I loathe seeing suburbia constantly growing like a malignant cancer over what once were
deer woods and dove fields. I am tired of hearing recent "immigrants" whine about the weather, and the ever popular phrase " We used to do it this way back in ____________." (usually either California or up North)

Hmmm..... maybe I am whining. :what:

hank327
January 14, 2006, 02:45 PM
Oops, double post...

TallPine
January 14, 2006, 03:43 PM
ArchDuke, if I were you I certainly wouldn't limit my choices to just two states.

If climate is an issue, consider Colorado. Most of the year you can have your choice between cold and hot just by driving a few miles up or down hill - 50 miles and several thousand feet of elevation make a big difference.

Besides, a lot of Californians have already moved there and screwed it up as far as I'm concerned - I left eight years ago :p

ScottS
January 14, 2006, 09:17 PM
move to Texas,,,,the girls are prettier there and the gunlaws are less strict.. sorry New Hampshire,,,been to both places and Texas has you beat.

I find the girls side hard to argue with. Texas girls are mighty purty. But, as far as gun laws go, it's not a subject open to debate. The gun laws in NH are much friendlier.

CCW: $10 for not less than 4 years, no training, no fingerprints, mine took 2 days, and the cops delivered it to my door.
Only place you can't carry: courthouse
No signage limitations: signs mean nothing
Open carry
All Class III

We proudly earned our Brady D-, same as you.

We get cold, but I can put enough clothes on to stay warm, even when it's -15deg. I can't take enough clothes off when it's 110deg.

Still, that girl thing is a powerful argument all in itself.

OtG
January 15, 2006, 02:18 PM
Climate is better, and while we may think we're god's gift to the earth, we don't feel the need to spend half our time telling everyone about it.

Plus the gun laws and skiing are better, and you get to be close enough to Mass. to really make fun of them.

Manedwolf
January 15, 2006, 03:45 PM
Mexican food - in NH, Taco Bell counts as a decent Mexican restaurant and may be the best in town. New England food in general is very bland, but seafood can be good. Texas has way more coastline than NH, so fresh seafood can be had here, also. More shrimp than lobster, though. Good asian food (Chinese, Japanese, Thai, Indian) is available in both states.


Uh..not for anyone I know, as regards Mexican food. Nashua has La Caretta, a big Mexican-family-run place that friends from southern California have said is absolutely authentic. Their huevos rancheros is excellent. Nashua also has Shorty's Roadhouse, also excellent Mexican. Nashua, Manchester and Concord all have a Margarita's, which besides being great mexican food, has chosen the coolest buildings to be in. Nashua's is in the old brick powerplant on the river. Concord's is in the old courthouse and jail, and some of the booths you can eat in are in the old cells...with the iron bars and 19th century locks still in place. The big dining room is the former courtroom, and an area for larger parties was the downstairs "drunk tank" sort of holding cell. I find it amusing to be served alcoholic beverages in an old jail cell that people were likely thrown in for being publically drunk back then. :D

hank327
January 15, 2006, 03:56 PM
If someday, for some reason I had to move north and become a Yankee :) , I would choose New Hampshire or perhaps Vermont as my home. Although I haven't been there (I have been to MA, and RI), I like what I know about the place. It is a beautiful state, and it has the best state motto of all 50 states.
"Live Free or Die". How can you not help but like such a place? :D

I also hear that there are some great motorcycling roads up there too.

Manedwolf
January 15, 2006, 03:57 PM
To springmom, No I'm not retiring. I haven't even started my career. Turned 20 in November. I gotta get my stuff together before I can move anywhere. Hopefully that will be just about 4 or 5 years.


To whoever was from NH Hampshire and said 40 degrees was tee-shirt weather, That place sounds like heaven to me haha. I love the cold. There's nothing more beautiful than rolling hills of silvery snow with black finger-like trees reaching for huge puffy clouds. I love winter.

But I think I'm gonna have to go to Texas. Not to sound disappointed or anything. Texas seems like an awesome place. New Hampshire doesn't seem like it would have much of a job market for a graphic designer/animator like myself haha.

I know a number of other graphic designers in NH who work for the high-techs that left MA. Lots of R&D parks here.

Manedwolf
January 15, 2006, 03:59 PM
If someday, for some reason I had to move north and become a Yankee :) , I would choose New Hampshire or perhaps Vermont as my home. Although I haven't been there (I have been to MA, and RI), I like what I know about the place. It is a beautiful state, and it has the best state motto of all 50 states.
"Live Free or Die". How can you not help but like such a place? :D

I also hear that there are some great motorcycling roads up there too.

Oh, yeah, there are. If you have a motorcycle or an agile car...You know those car commercials where they have a shiny car going at good speed on curvy road through forests, scattering leaves in its wake? They're here. Roads like that are generally 50mph limit, not lower, so you can have fun. :)

TheArchDuke
January 15, 2006, 06:02 PM
Well let's just say this, whichever state I choose, I'll be visiting the other one a lot.

Moondoggie
January 15, 2006, 06:19 PM
A little anecdotal evidence for your consideration...

I have a good friend who grew up in Wilkes-Barre, PA.

He met and married a girl who grew up in SDiego...OB. She has a BS degree in ortho somethingorother...good paying hospital jobs abound for her.

She took her first job in Lowell, MA. They lived in Nashua/Manchester, NH.

She lasted 2 winters. Absolutely couldn't deal with it, and she's not a wuss by any stretch of the imagination. They are both "Phish" heads and spend a lot of time camping out at concerts. She's a very "outdoorsy" sort of girl, but more strongly oriented toward the beach than anything involving snow.

They now live in Virginia Beach, VA.

The only other place I know of in the US with SDiego's climate is Hawaii. That's why they're both so crowded and the cost of living is so high.

I'd vote for Texas. The cost of living difference between TX and NH will be a big factor when you start raising a family. The piney woods part of NE TX are a destination that my wife and I are considering when we're free to relocate.

Johnny_Yuma
January 21, 2006, 06:09 AM
I used to take care of my buddy's horses when she and her husband traveled. I'd stay at their place and drink beer on the front porch in my Stetson and a bathrobe and shoot at coyotes. Nobody there thought any part of that was weird.

JY

45Badger
January 21, 2006, 09:13 AM
NH all the way!

Second lowest overall tax burden (only Alaska is lower).

And if you have kids, the only speech impediment they will develop is that glorious northern New England accent (where did all my "r"s go?):cool:

For big city life, Boston is close and NY is only a few hours away. Portsmouth great seaport town (15 minutes from Kittery, Maine- lobster, Bob's Clam shack, and THE KITTERY TRADING POST!!!!).

As previously noted, great gun laws. Hunting (ever shoot a moose?) is pretty good.

As for winter, cold is relative. My mom lives in Concord in the winter, and Maine in the summer. Can't beat it, I miss living there.

oweno
January 21, 2006, 01:33 PM
[QUOTE=45Badger]NH all the way!

Second lowest overall tax burden (only Alaska is lower).

///Yep, and add my town's $500 property tax exemption for veterans and it's even better.

As previously noted, great gun laws. Hunting (ever shoot a moose?) is pretty good.

/// I never have but my son (and his hunting buddy) have gotten 2. Only problem is that even one half of a moose is a lot, a LOT of meat. He had to buy a freezer just for the moose meat (which is, btw, really good. I like it a lot better than venison - tasted to me sort of like a slightly sweetened beef).

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