[PITBULL]

im going to buy a 22cal. rifle or 22cal. handgun whats are the deal with 22lr what kinds of ammo are there for 22cal. and can they all shoot the same ammo

[mustanger98]

There is a very wide range of .22LR ammo. Any .22LR rifle or handgun will chamber any .22LR ammo. However, and leaving semi-auto issues aside for now, accuracy can be improved by finding the .22LR ammo that groups the best in your particular rifle or handgun. Rifles are funny about what they'll digest best. Handguns are too for that matter. If you're into sillouette, I heard from an old sillouette shooter that "Standard Velocity" is more accurate in a bolt action than "High Velocity" (includes Wal-Mart bulk pack like I shoot with good results), but again, this will vary from one rifle to the next.

Now, I'll bring the autoloaders into the mix and base my findings on experience with a stock 10/22 which is either loved or hated as a stock rifle. I've had good reliability with the 10/22 and Wal-Mart bulk pack .22LR, but the old sillouette shooter I mentioned also told me while "High Velocity" is not typically as accurate as "Standard Velocity", "Standard Velocity" may not have the pressure to reliably cycle the action.

That said, I have heard more people complain about reliability issues with the bulk pack offerings for two reasons.

1- Bad results with Remington "Golden Bullet". Fail-to-Feed, Fail-to-Fire... Sometimes it'll fail to eject while feeding the next round. Now that's a mess to clear. I thought it was a cleaning issue at first, but I've either had it happen or seen others deal with it with a clean rifle or semiauto handgun. I've personally had issues with this loading in semiauto rifle and hangun, both. I've not experienced this issue with Federal's bulk pack offering.

2- Winchester's bulk pack offering uses a lead hollowpoint bullet, so if you plan on getting on autoloader, they may not feed as smoothly and reliably.

In a good old single-shot crankbolt or a revolver, you won't see these issues. Autoloaders, you just have to see what works.

Now, another issue... Many crankbolts and some semiautos, especially older models, will be marked as to the exact cartridge- .22 (S)hort, (L)ong, LR- and many of those will take all three versions. However, if the rifle is only marked with one of those, you stick to that version. That's the safe way to handle that. IIRC, .22LR is a .223" diameter bullet, but don't put a .22 S, L, or LR into a gun who's chamber designation is .22Magnum or .22WMR (same cartridge) because the chamber is cut more generously and you'll see split cases. I know this from experience and always recommend against it. Do not try to force a .22Magnum into a gun that says .22LR (as well as S and L, as they're shorter) because the .22Magnum case is fatter and the bullet is .224" diameter and runs with 3.5X the killing power of the .22LR. This difference will overpressurize your gun and cause problems.

I hope all this helps.

[PITBULL]

whats a 22cal. rifle for 22 short 22 long and 22 lr is there a simiatomatic one at walmart if so how much is it

[Richardson]

whats a 22cal. rifle for 22 short 22 long and 22 lr is there a simiatomatic one at walmart if so how much is it

Remington Speedmaster (I think model #552) takes .22lr, .22 Long, & .22 Short interchangeably.

[palerider1]

i own a ruger 10/22. they are a great rifle and will shoot and shoot. for a handgun i own a ruger mk III hunter,,,same thing. both take the same ammunition.

good luck,

[mustanger98]

whats a 22cal. rifle for 22 short 22 long and 22 lr is there a simiatomatic one at walmart if so how much is it

Aside from Richardson's reference to Remington's Speedmaster, I don't know of any current production rifle's specifically chambered for .22short and/or .22long. Marlin's tube-fed offering may still take all three cartridges. I'm not sure about the price right off. I do know .22short is more expensive as a rule than is .22LR which is also available pretty much everywhere.

Thinking of Ruger semiautomatic .22LR pistols, my choice is the 22/45 which is a MkII action on a frame who's fire controls are much like a 1911 in operational format. There's a big difference in grip shape/angle between MkII and 22/45, so most of us are able to choose the grip angle that suits us better. If you like 1911's, you'll probably like the 22/45. If you like the MkII, you'll probably like a Luger P08.

[Roudy]

Pittbull...When it comes right down to it the only way to tell which ammunition will shoot the most accurately in a specific 22 LR fire arm is to try them out.

I've had firearms that shot very good with high priced ammo and some that shot better with lower priced ammo. Usually the higher priced ammo like Federal Gold Dot, Ely, etc are more consistent than the cheaper ammo, but that doesn't mean that it will shoot more or less accurately in a particular firearm.

Federal Lightnings ($1-2 per box of 50) seem to be reasonably in a wide range of the 22's I've had, but not all of them. Federal Gold Dots ($8+ for a box of 50) worked very well in a Winchester M52B that I had.

Best way to find out is buy a box each of several brands and try them. You will probably enjoy the time at the range too.;)

[Wllm. Legrand]

im going to buy a 22cal. rifle or 22cal. handgun whats are the deal with 22lr what kinds of ammo are there for 22cal. and can they all shoot the same ammo

Using proper punctuation and writing in proper English may help you obtain more responses. I know it's the internet, but geez...

Just trying to help.

[mustanger98]

Using proper punctuation and writing in proper English may help you obtain more responses. I know it's the internet, but geez...

Just trying to help.

You know the crazy thing? I know some college professors who don't put much more effort into their emails either.:scrutiny: :confused: :uhoh: Thing about this internet... hit dangshore ain't like talkin' face-to-face.:D

[Sunray]

"...Best way to find out is buy a box each of several brands and try them..." Exactly. Rimfire .22 calibre firearms are daft things. Every one of 'em will shoot every brand differently. Doesn't matter if it's a rifle or a handgun either. Some semi-auto's won't cycle all .22 ammo. The price of the ammo doesn't matter either. Nor does the price of the firearm.
Shorts, Longs and Long Rifle are case lengths. Shorts and Longs are usually more expensive than Long Rifle ammo. Long Rifle being the standard. Generally, semi-auto's won't shoot all three. Some, but not all bolt action .22's will. Each type has different power levels, for lack of a better term. Most semi's are built to use long rifle ammo. Has to do with the magazine and the weight of the bolt.
"...some college professors who don't put much more effort into their emails either..." That's why they have secretaries and editors. If they published the way they write....
However, an FNG gets a one time special dispensation. Discouraging the new guy is not permited.

[mustanger98]

Sunray, Who are you accusing of discouraging the new guy? I was picking on the post (as opposed to the poster personally) that reads:

Using proper punctuation and writing in proper English may help you obtain more responses. I know it's the internet, but geez...

[PITBULL]

thanks for the info

[losangeles]

I have some 22s, both handguns and rifles, and I love them. I can just buy a bunch of ammo at the range, and share them among my guns. (Points taken above about different ammo preferences for each gun.)

I just bought a brick of 500 rounds for around $9, on sale at Turners yesterday. At the same time, I bought a box of 50 rounds of 9mm for almost the same price. There's a lot of shooting practice with the 22s, and that's why I have multiple such shooting guns in 22. I like to go to the range with several of them at one time.

(7.62x39mm ammo is cheap too and that's for centerfire rifles - SKS for example -- but still not as cheap as 22s and besides 22s are easier to deal with for a first gun.)

[borrowedtime69]

just about any .22 pistol is the perfect choice as long as its a Ruger MK II in standard grip or 22/45 grip or a Ruger single six, shooting CCI Mini mag HP's! :neener: :scrutiny:

Ruger 10-22 is a great choice as long as you replace the hammer with a PC or Volquartsen target hammer. that is the one modification that will make a factory gun shoot well. plus its a great gun if you want hi-cap mags and about a million other ways to modify the gun.

good luck! -Eric

[rangerruck]

get two boxes of every make and midel of 22lr ammo out there, and begin your test. they will all be different, no joke. some will hit harder, some will be cleaner, some will have more fliers, some will jam more, etc. the best are usually in this order eley/remmy in the orange box or yellow box, aguilas, all types and varieties, golden eagle in the godl and black, and the gold and blue boxes. then wolf . these will all give exc performance, without breaking the bank.

[mustanger98]

One thing I touched on about ammo in my first post to this thread (post #2) is about WalMart bulk pack ammo... While I've come to thoroughly detest Remington's "Golden Bullet" for use in autoloaders, and it's feed/ejection problems are not an issue in non-autoloaders, I've experienced duds and hangfires with it.

I said I'd had no such issues with Federal's bulk pack offering... I've fired it in every .22 I have and it feeds, fires, and ejects reliably. Even if I've run my 22/45 for 1100rds (2 bulk packs) without cleaning, the stuff works and my pistol runs like a Swiss watch.

I do agree with getting some of all of it and seeing what works in the individual gun.

[rangerruck]

there are very few new rimfires that will do all three, mostly they are old ones, andyou will pay some bucks for them. you can get some new made bolts or pumps that will do all three, but hey the only way to shoot the shorts is semi, right? i picked up an old savage that will do all three, mod 187, cost me 120 bucks used at collector's firearms here in houston. got lucky. it will hold 25 shorts in the tube! me likey!

[PITBULL]

what do yall think of the marlin 795 at walmart its like 113 $

[railroader]

I don't have the marlin 795 but I have the marlin 7000 which is pretty much the same rifle with a bull barrel. It is very accurate and reliable. For $113 I would think you would be getting a fine little rifle. Mark

[borrowedtime69]

what do yall think of the marlin 795 at walmart its like 113 $

i own a Marlin 795, have for about 3 years. great gun out of the box, very accurate. shoots both CCI Mini-mag HP's & Winchester Dynapoints very well. it will also handle sub-sonics if you want to shoot quietly. i put a 6X40 on mine and its very deadly on squirrels and rabbits. :D

[PITBULL]

i own a Marlin 795, have for about 3 years. great gun out of the box, very accurate. shoots both CCI Mini-mag HP's & Winchester Dynapoints very well. it will also handle sub-sonics if you want to shoot quietly. i put a 6X40 on mine and its very deadly on squirrels and rabbits. :D
has it ever jamed or somthing