Tx gets it right once again..Illegals locked up.


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bg
January 14, 2006, 02:10 AM
Sure wish Cal would get off it's butt and get this going..>
http://www.yahoo.com/s/268106

A pilot program that jails all illegal immigrants crossing into this Texas border town from Mexico has led to a dramatic fall in numbers attempting the journey, the U.S. Office of Border Patrol said on Friday.

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beerslurpy
January 14, 2006, 02:34 AM
Awesome. So simple, so legal, so effective.

longeyes
January 14, 2006, 02:49 AM
I'm a hardliner on the illegal alien problem but I don't see how detention can be any kind of answer, not today, not in this country.

beerslurpy
January 14, 2006, 03:11 AM
If we run out of jail cells, pack them in 5 deep, just like we do for drug crimes. If they dont want to spend a few months sharing a closet sized cell with 10 other guys, then they shouldnt come over here.

3-6 month sentences will be effective because that's time they wont be spending recrossing and its time they wont be earning money to feed their families. The more word gets out that crossing is pointless and inconvenient, the less necessary incarceration will become.

And the jail term is relatively mild, so no one can really claim we are being excessively mean to them.

springmom
January 14, 2006, 03:24 AM
Hey, it's TEXAS. Blankets and warm jammies and nobody will freeze to death. They don't have to be kept in with the (1) MS 13 guys :eek: or even overcrowding the jail buildings. Surely the Feds can come up with a few thousan large tents....and a lot of razor wire to surround the camp....

I know I sound really harsh, but I am also really tired of being Vicente Fox's unemployment insurance, and that's what we are. The U. S. being weenies on immigration keeps Fox in his job. Dry up that source of revenue, and the Mexican government might actually start having to provide services to its own people and fix its own economy, provide jobs for its own workers... :what:

Springmom who's not being very charitable, but there you go.

71Commander
January 14, 2006, 08:21 AM
Put 50 of em in a jail cell. 50 of em share an apartment, so they're use to overcrowding.:evil:

LAK
January 14, 2006, 08:56 AM
What springmom said.

And put them to work - hard labor.

Road construction; save lot's of diesel, and wear and tear on heavy machinery. They can have three meals a day and all the water they need.

Photo, fingerprints, permanently barred form visa travel or immigration application, and three to six months of that, a bus home, and they are unlikely to want to come back again. Second time around; ten years. Third time around, twenty years, and so on.

But those in the Federal government who have facilitated this treason by act or omission ought to all being doing life themselves.
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444
January 14, 2006, 09:35 AM
That's an idea.
If you enter this country illegally, to find work, we provide the work for you. You don't even have to look for a job or call your cousin with the lawn service. You get three months of hard labor AND A CRIMINAL RECORD(Since you ARE a criminal) that will be considered if you later attemt to come back legally.

taliv
January 14, 2006, 01:17 PM
I think the obvious solution is to start a Foreign Legion.

Any and all Mexican and Canadian citizens are eligible. Length of service required is a base of 4 yrs plus 6mo for every misdemeanor and 1 year for every felony on their record. After completing their stint in the Legion (fighting in Iraq/Iran/Syria), and passing an English exam (which requires them to read the Constitution aloud) they'll be given US Citizenship.


(i included canada in the program in case any of the draft dogers from vietnam are getting chilly up there and want to come home)

my 35th birthday is this summer so you can all
vote taliv for prez 08

Malone LaVeigh
January 14, 2006, 02:29 PM
"We have lots of space, and we can handle all the prisoners the court sends us," Deputy U.S. Marshal Tim Hughes said. "If it grew to an incredible number we could send them out of state."
Maybe that's true for that one district, but most likely because of the aforementioned decrease in attempts. Right now, the illegals can just cross somewhere else. I suspect we'd reach capacity pretty fast if they tried this over the whole border.

To be fair, the law ought to be enforced equally everywhere. That goes for Mexicans/non-Mexicans at our South border, Asian boat people coming into our West coast, Cubans off Florida, Europeans flying in and overstaying their tourist or student visas. If we really can afford to do that, I would support it 100%.

Oh, and the title of this post is incorrect. "Tx" did not get it right, this is a Fed project from my reading of that article.

Hairback
January 14, 2006, 03:05 PM
This program needs to be implemented in every state, not just Texas. I am aware of a community in northern Idaho that is 35% latinos. I confess that I assume they are illegal since almost none speak English and the crime rate has gone up exponentially. The population is fleeing the area and homes are not selling.
There are a lot of closed military bases around the country that could be converted to barrack prisons. I'm already tired of seeing commercials and signs all over my home town in northern Indiana written in Spanish. If this continues, we will have the same problems as Israel with the Palistinians and Canada with the French speakers in Quebec who continually want to break from the Commonwealth. Here in my town there is already an elementary school that will be teaching all classes next year in Spanish.
When my father and grandparents came here from Russia they learned English, took the test and became citizens of this wonderful country. Why do these latinos think that they are entitled to any extra consideration? I used to travel through Spanish speaking parts of the world, so I learned Spanish, when I needed to be prepared for the Middle East, I learned enough Arabic to maintain a conversation. If these illegals are unwilling or incapable of following our rules then put them in jail and make it uncomfortable. Like the Arizona sheriff does (sorry I have forgotten his name, but I know that all readers will know him), bless his tough old self!

bg
January 14, 2006, 03:10 PM
Oh, and the title of this post is incorrect. "Tx" did not get it right, this is a Fed project from my reading of that article.
Correction noted.

Hook686
January 14, 2006, 04:58 PM
Gonna have to take away the color TV, 3 warm meals a day, hot showers, soft beds ... for this to be really effective.

Radagast
January 15, 2006, 08:32 AM
It worked here in OZ. We were getting a lot of boat people from Indonesia, mainly from Pakistan or around there. They would fly to Indonesia, then get on a boat and try to claim asylum when they made it ashore. The government started detaining them in a camp in the middle of the desert, on an island in the middle of the Pacific or another one in the middle of the Indian Ocean. Those who could document they were real refugees fleeing persecution, were allowed to stay. Those who were not, went home. Those who had 'lost' their passports and would not provide enough background to be able to investigate their identity, got to look at walls for as long as it took for them to reconsider. We don't get any more boats. As a result our refugee intake has actually gone up. Without the obvious abuse of the system by economic immigrants, the public is less likely to make a fuss about helping those in genuine need.

The system has not been perfect as the minions of government have detained Australian citizens at times and in one case deported one, mainly because the minions found it easier to cover up rather than do their job properly or face ridicule in the press by admitting they stuffed up. Overall the system has worked to the degree that the offshore detention facilities
have been closed through lack of customers. I reckon the same in America, with judicial oversight would work wonders. Habeus Corpus is vital so you don't screw your own folk who have similar features to illegals or who through mental illness cannot explain themselves well, it was the main thing lacking with the Australian program.

TarpleyG
January 15, 2006, 10:26 AM
If they dont want to spend a few months sharing a closet sized cell with 10 other guys, then they shouldnt come over here.
They do that anyway. Have you ever seen the way they live in these apartments they rent? I have seen 15 to 20 people living in a 3 BR apartment.

Greg

CAPTAIN MIKE
January 15, 2006, 10:48 AM
The U.S. Govt should make all further trade with Mexico 'subject to' Mexico doing its part to stop the illegal flow northward, and should send a BILL to the Mexican govt. for the costs of patrolling the border in our side.

longeyes
January 15, 2006, 12:30 PM
Let me get this straight... The solution to a massive million-man flood is to Gitmo-ize America...?

Naw. Turning America into a vast prison camp--because that's what it would take--isn't feasible and would never be palatable politically. If you want to kill the carrot, go after employers and nix bennies. If you want to use the stick, stop them with appropriate prejudice at the border, whatever it takes. Meanwhile, read the riot act to the Mexican government and put some teeth into sanctions.

Oh, and while you're at it, if you're serious, get a new Admin on this side of the border and a new Senate...

LAK
January 15, 2006, 04:59 PM
Let me get this straight... The solution to a massive million-man flood is to Gitmo-ize America...?

Naw. Turning America into a vast prison camp--because that's what it would take--isn't feasible and would never be palatable politically. If you want to kill the carrot, go after employers and nix bennies. If you want to use the stick, stop them with appropriate prejudice at the border, whatever it takes. Meanwhile, read the riot act to the Mexican government and put some teeth into sanctions.

Oh, and while you're at it, if you're serious, get a new Admin on this side of the border and a new Senate...
I would argue, firstly; it is feasible. Not only that, absolutely necessary. The number of illegals already here, the costs of letting those already here remain here, will sink our ship in the medium to long term.

Secondly, the politically unpalatable elements whose political allegiences do not lie with the United States simply need to be exposed for what they are. If this bull is not taken by the horns very soon by someone, we will become just a province of the new Pan Americas in a very short period of time.

The only hard line we need with the Mexican government is overwhelming force anytime U.S. agents, troops, assets or other citizens are fired upon on our side of the border. And a 24-hr convoy of illegals being deported by bus, and trains, and by ship.

I agree with your final point though; we do need a new Admin and Congress. But that is unlikely to happen as long as a the whole process is a big show.
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longeyes
January 15, 2006, 05:14 PM
Amigo, you're going to need mucho hoosegows, that's all I can say. Stop the jobs and the benefits and punish the employers--all politically difficult--and you'll take the heart out of 'em. Toughen the border and you'll stop most of the new jumpers. Sure, we need detention, but we are way, way beyond the point where we are going to be able to imprison that many people. Exile would make more sense, but the days of Devil Island are long past.

Johnny_Yuma
January 15, 2006, 06:30 PM
Amigo, you're going to need mucho hoosegows, that's all I can say. Stop the jobs and the benefits and punish the employers--all politically difficult--and you'll take the heart out of 'em. Toughen the border and you'll stop most of the new jumpers. Sure, we need detention, but we are way, way beyond the point where we are going to be able to imprison that many people. Exile would make more sense, but the days of Devil Island are long past.

was to invade Mexico and establish a 50 mile buffer zone on the Mexican side of the border. Sort of like a Checkpoint Charlie to keep illegals OUT. I haven't heard back from him yet but I'm sure my e-mail has just been misplaced....

rhubarb
January 15, 2006, 10:13 PM
Along the lines of longeyes' post, a recent newspaper article here in the Rio Grande Valley reported that in 2004 there were 46 prosecutions of employers for hiring illegals. Forty-six. It is estimated that there're TEN MILLION illegals here. I don't think they all work for only 46 employers. It seems that the burden of proof to prosecute an employer is impossibly high.

CAnnoneer
January 15, 2006, 11:53 PM
It seems that the burden of proof to prosecute an employer is impossibly high.

I cannot believe that explanation. Much more likely, nobody is looking really.

+1 longeyes

Imprisonment cannot work, not the least reason being the sheer scale of the invasion. We have maybe 2 million prisoners in CONUS. If we imprison all new illegals, we'll bankrupt ourselves. Sending them to labor camps would be a political suicide for anyone who authorizes it - the majority would not allow it, albeit for varying reasons. So, it will never happen.

What could happen is imprison a few employers with cumulative jail sentences and really heavy fines. Make a few examples, and the million employers will back out overnight.

QuickDraw
January 16, 2006, 02:35 AM
Lets not forget,that the majority of employers are
the people who don't want to mow their own lawn
or clean their own house!I would think that it would
be easy to get homeowners for tax/SS evasion.

QuickDraw

grimjaw
January 16, 2006, 02:52 AM
Imprisoned illegal immigrants (III) might cost the US money to detain them, but they do not garner income, which they do not send back to Mexico. Free, legal immigrants do.

jmm

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