Coastline gun control?


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DevLcL
January 15, 2006, 09:45 PM
Why does gun control seem to follow the coastline? PRK, the big island, upper east coast...what gives?

-Dev

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MatthewVanitas
January 15, 2006, 09:57 PM
Many of America's largest cities are on the coasts.

Gun Control has far more support in big cities than in rural areas.

Thus, Gun Control has more support on the coasts (and incidentally in large inland cities such as Chicago and Denver).

-MV

Preacherman
January 15, 2006, 10:41 PM
Also, coastal areas were settled sooner, and many of their more adventurous residents were among the first to "go West" (or East, in the case of California) to the more challenging climate of the frontier. They left behind the more sedate types, who built up the coastlands into blissninny havens, free from the strongly independent frontier types. Those who went to the frontier knew all too well their need of weapons!

cbsbyte
January 15, 2006, 10:49 PM
This is not true. Gun control is supported in every large city in the US, including ones in the interior.

Preacherman
January 15, 2006, 11:15 PM
cbsbyte, not so. Of the 40 largest US cities (see here (http://www.mongabay.com/igapo/cities.htm) for the list and details of their size), 27 (or two-thirds of the total) have CCW and/or are basically friendly to gun-owners (sometimes more so than the states in which they're located). So, I don't think it's true to say that

Gun control is supported in every large city in the US, including ones in the interior.

There may be those in all these cities who are in favor of gun control, but in the majority of them, the anti-gunners have not succeeded in curbing citizens' rights.

Standing Wolf
January 15, 2006, 11:18 PM
70% of the people in the United states live within 100 miles of either the Atlantic or Pacific oceans.

geekWithA.45
January 16, 2006, 01:00 AM
Preacherman, a contrarian data point.

PA is extremely gun friendly.

Philadelphia, however, is institutionally outright HOSTILE to guns, and their owners, even after the state supreme court told them to knock it off, in no uncertain terms. (Systematic foot dragging in permit issuance, annual attempts to enact their own laws stricter than the states, public demonization of LTCF holders by elected officials, pioneered the technique of frivolously suing gun makers, etc, ad nauseum. Their operating procedure is to obstruct, obstruct, obstruct.)

If you are "made" by an officer of the law in the rest of the state, having a carry permit gets you a "have a nice day", if they even bother to check. In PHL, it often only gets you a slightly better plea bargaining position.

Anyway, my point is, subtract (at least) 1 city from your list of "gun friendlies".

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My take on it is that the various human social distortions that are highly correlated with population density synergize with a collectivist mindset, which is in turn exploited by those in sympathy with such goals. Civil disarmament is simply part of that package.

Herself
January 16, 2006, 01:24 AM
70% of the people in the United states live within 100 miles of either the Atlantic or Pacific oceans.
You mean, if the sea level ever rises, we'll be free of 90% of the gun-banners? Yayyy!

Or did I misconstrue that?

--H

gc70
January 16, 2006, 01:31 AM
You mean, if the sea level ever rises, we'l be free of 90% of the gun-banners? Yayyy!+1 :evil:

DevLcL
January 16, 2006, 04:20 AM
You mean, if the sea level ever rises, we'l be free of 90% of the gun-banners? Yayyy!

+2

I live in cali, but fortunetely, I live on a mountain, which is very tall. I'd have my own little island...all types of guns allowed :evil: (you'll have to check with me about biological stuff tho :rolleyes: )

-Dev

jacobtowne
January 16, 2006, 12:02 PM
Why does gun control seem to follow the coastline? PRK, the big island, upper east coast...what gives?

-Dev

Only four states prohibit concealed carry altogether, and they are all in the Midwest.
JT

Crosshair
January 16, 2006, 12:16 PM
+2

I live in cali, but fortunetely, I live on a mountain, which is very tall. I'd have my own little island...all types of guns allowed :evil: (you'll have to check with me about biological stuff tho :rolleyes: )

Can I come and take pot-shots at whales with an RPG.:D

Gray Peterson
January 16, 2006, 01:36 PM
A few points to make.

1. The coastal anti-gun legislative mentality is primarily a fallacy.

2. On the Pacific Side, only the states of California and Hawaii are anti-gun and anti-concealed carry. Oregon, Washington, and Alaska would take much exception to being called anti-gun. Washington State was the first state to pass a shall-issue carry law in modern times in 1961. We require no licensing of handgun ownership, no reporting, and there's no training for CCW at all. Oregon has been shall-issue since 1989, with almost no restrictions on where you can carry (courthouses and federal buildings excepted). Alaska has a shall-issue licensing system, but does not require the license to carry concealed. It's only for those who want a NICS exemption and carry to other states.

3. On the Atlantic Side, with the exceptions of New York, New Jersey, Massachusetts and Maryland, all of the states there are shall-issue or may-issue with fair discretion (Delaware and Connecticut the best examples of this). Lest we forget the Virginia, NC, SC, GA, and FL are Atlantic coastal states, as well as New Hampshire and Maine. All of these states are shall-issue, and open carry is legal in Virginia, New Hampshire, Delaware, and Maine.

4. California is anti-gun for a variety of reasons. The same with Illinois, which is a prairie state, and Wisconsin. The most virulent and loud of anti-gunners tend to live in the interior of the country now.

cbsbyte
January 16, 2006, 03:52 PM
Massachusetts is may issue with discretion from the local issuing police agency. In most towns and cities in the state it is very easy to get CCW, but in a dozen cities it is nearly impossible to obtain a license. New York has CCW, and so does NJ.

cbsbyte
January 16, 2006, 03:54 PM
Only four states prohibit concealed carry altogether, and they are all in the Midwest.
JT

Maryland also does not allow CCW.

jacobtowne
January 16, 2006, 05:40 PM
According to packing.org, Maryland allows concealed carry, but it's very difficult to get a permit.
JT

Cosmoline
January 16, 2006, 06:55 PM
The majority of the US coastline is right here in AK. No worries!

jacobtowne
January 17, 2006, 10:15 AM
The majority of the US coastline is right here in AK. No worries!

Good one!:D
JT

El Tejon
January 17, 2006, 10:22 AM
Hmmm, don't know, seems more urban than location. Just look at Chicago, Cleveland, or Gary, Indiana, unless you count them as the North Coast, then I would say that blissninnies favor urban cover, no matter their proximity to the vaunted "coasts".

DunedinDragon
January 17, 2006, 10:43 AM
A few points to make.

1. The coastal anti-gun legislative mentality is primarily a fallacy.

3. On the Atlantic Side, with the exceptions of New York, New Jersey, Massachusetts and Maryland, all of the states there are shall-issue or may-issue with fair discretion (Delaware and Connecticut the best examples of this). Lest we forget the Virginia, NC, SC, GA, and FL are Atlantic coastal states, as well as New Hampshire and Maine. All of these states are shall-issue, and open carry is legal in Virginia, New Hampshire, Delaware, and Maine.


And let's not forget the Atlantic "coast" that wraps around into the Gulf of Mexico...and there we have Mississippi, Louisiana, and Texas. I DARE ya to tell a Texan they live in an anti-gun state!!!!!!!!

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