Homeland Security Admits to Mexican Army Incursions into US


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Waitone
January 16, 2006, 12:55 AM
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=48357

Mexican troops defiant: 'Border? What border?'
Military 'crosses into America 216 times during past 9 years'
Posted: January 15, 2006
8:39 p.m. Eastern

© 2006 WorldNetDaily.com

The Mexican military has little regard for the border as troops have entered the United States 216 times over nine years, according to a Department of Homeland Security document and a map of incursions.

California's Inland Valley Daily Bulletin says U.S. officials claim the border-crossings are designed to help foreign drug and human smugglers gain safe access into American territory.

While the White House refused comment, a spokeswoman for the DHS said her department is in ongoing discussions with the Mexican government about the incursions.

"We – the Department of Homeland Security and the CBP (U.S. Customs and Border Protection) – are determined to gain control of the border and will continue to collaborate with our partners on the border,'' Kristi Clemens told the paper.

The document indicates since 1996, Mexican military personnel made their way into the U.S. at the following Border Patrol sectors:

# San Diego County, 17 times

# El Centro, 58

# Yuma, Ariz., 24

# Tucson, Ariz., 39

# El Paso, Texas, 33

# Marfa, Texas, 8

# Del Rio, Texas, 3

# Laredo, Texas, 6

# Rio Grande Valley, Texas, 28.

"That number [of 216] is 20 times larger than even the Minuteman project organizers are aware of,'' said Jim Gilchrist, co-founder of the Minuteman Project, a civilian group concerned with border security. "But I'm not surprised at that number. There are significant drug and human cargo cartels involving Mexican military threatening Americans at the border. But our Congress has turned a blind eye to it because what the American people don't know won't bother them – that's how our representatives think.''

One border agent speaking on condition of anonymity told the Bulletin: "We've had armed showdowns with the Mexican army. ... These aren't just ex-military guys. These are Mexican army officials assisting drug smugglers.''

Officials with Mexico's government dispute the findings, claiming not a single crossing has been made by its troops.

"I strongly deny any incursion by the Mexican military on United States soil,'' said Rafael Laveaga, spokesman for the Mexican Embassy in Washington, D.C. "When it comes to Mexican military on the southern side, I have no reports of them crossing into the United States. That would mean that the patrol got lost or lack of expertise and orientation. This could be smugglers with fake uniforms as a tactic to confuse the authorities.''

U.S. Rep. Tom Tancredo, R-Colo., said the high numbers of incursions show suggestions for increasing Border Patrol resources or building a border fence won't be enough to secure the boundary between the U.S. and Mexico.

"It is a military problem,'' said Tancredo. "We should commit the military to the border – tomorrow. I mean, with armor and weapons.''

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Standing Wolf
January 16, 2006, 12:57 AM
We – the Department of Homeland Security and the CBP (U.S. Customs and Border Protection) – are determined to gain control of the border and will continue to collaborate with our partners on the border.

Yeah, peace in our time, too.

glockamolee
January 16, 2006, 02:06 AM
The "lost" hunter was interviewed by a Liberal Media Source (LMS) regarding his "errant" shots at the Mexican Army Patrol inside U.S. territory...

LMS: "Why did you shoot at those lost Mexican Military folks in the Desert?"

Hunter: (with a sly grin) "I thought they were Deer." :rolleyes:

longeyes
January 16, 2006, 03:29 AM
As our President has said, "We are a welcoming nation."

Would seem so.

rick_reno
January 16, 2006, 03:57 AM
Do they have the breakdown of how many times this happened on Clintoooon's watch vs. Bush's watch?

Matthew748
January 16, 2006, 08:50 AM
Interesting, but I do not think anything that comes to light will force the .gov’s hand. It would be nice to have a yearly breakdown of these incursions to confirm that they are on the rise and require attention, but I doubt that it would do much good.

Unless someone has The Doc’s timemachine/Delorean, I don’t see the point in bashing Clinton. That was then, this is now. We cannot travel back in time to correct his wrongs, but we can address and take steps to rectify the problems caused by his legacy.

armoredman
January 16, 2006, 11:50 AM
Sent to my favrite LIEberal who screams NAZI every time I talk about the border wall. He crys "Berlin Wall", and tells me we need to open the borders....but when confronted about Mexicos own southern border, say, "It's thier country, they can do what they want!" I told him about the Mex Military - he called me a liar....thank for more ammo.

I even asked him how I was a Nazi when the Berlin Wall was built by communists...no answer, at least, no coherent answer!

scubie02
January 16, 2006, 01:04 PM
since mexico's position is that these must be badguys disguised as military, then they should have no problemif our military mops up the desert with them whenever they come across them, right?

Biker
January 16, 2006, 01:10 PM
This is the part where I can't help but say that Bush is failing to perform his primary mission which is to protect our borders from an invading army.
As I recall, in 1906(?), Pancho Villa was dealt with harshly for crossing our border with armed troops.
Biker

raghorn
January 16, 2006, 01:56 PM
since mexico's position is that these must be badguys disguised as military, then they should have no problemif our military mops up the desert with them whenever they come across them, right?

+1. And document their names and faces for the news media.

Carl N. Brown
January 16, 2006, 02:48 PM
[rant on]
If you cross into Mexico at a checkpoint and don't have the proper
entry papers, you are lucky if they just send you back to USA.

If you get caught illegally in Mexico, you go to prison--Mexican prison.

We need to demand as much respect for our national sovereignty
as Mexico demands for theirs.

Let the rich butt Californians mow their own lawns, clean their own
houses and babysit their own kids.

The Euro Mexicans like Vincente Fox just want to export the
Indian Mexicans north as an act of ethnic cleansing. And rich
Californians want the cheap slave labor.
[rant off]

Thefabulousfink
January 16, 2006, 02:58 PM
Just to play the devil's advocate, I wonder how many times our military, LEO, CIA, FBI, ATF, DHS has made incursions into Mexico. I'm betting it's a few:evil:

longeyes
January 16, 2006, 03:25 PM
Just to play the devil's advocate, I wonder how many times our military, LEO, CIA, FBI, ATF, DHS has made incursions into Mexico. I'm betting it's a few

I'd say, one too few maybe.

skyder
January 16, 2006, 04:19 PM
Okay, let me just try to get this straight.

A foreign military force enters the USA and, according to some reports even fires at Border patrol personnel and vehicles, but there is no real act of war committed?

Have I missed some of the finer points of international relations?

DRZinn
January 16, 2006, 04:45 PM
Before anyone questions the source (which I would, if I hadn't found this stuff):

http://www.dailybulletin.com/search/ci_3404101

http://www.dailybulletin.com/search/ci_3404073

Harve Curry
January 16, 2006, 04:58 PM
Us locals have know about this the whole time, it never makes major news.
Common sense would show that our eyes are America's 1st Defense and We are The Home Land Security.
But nobody in goverment responds or listens.

Bacon
January 16, 2006, 09:54 PM
We did have military along the southern border, until a marine shot an innocent sheep herder. Remember?

It's too bad that happened, we could use the military down there now.

longeyes
January 16, 2006, 10:38 PM
A foreign military force enters the USA and, according to some reports even fires at Border patrol personnel and vehicles, but there is no real act of war committed?

Have I missed some of the finer points of international relations?

Yes. An act of war occurs only when someone who counts loses money.

Pevey
January 17, 2006, 06:17 AM
The trouble is that the ones who come across these "lost" "directionally challenged" or just plain "stupid", Mexican military, in their hummers and long assault rifles, are usually the Border Patrol, in their SUV's with their 40 cal berettas. Our military are never close to the border. Can make for some tense situations with each side saying the other is tresspassing. Its usually them cause they don't use or can't figure out how to use a GPS. A lot of the border is unmarked with no river to cross so its easy to wander on the wrong side. The ones involved with drug trade are usually smarter or more careful. Majority of the time, its an accident. Mexico is a large country and the military tend to get rotated around so much they are frequently new to the area and get lost easy. The people who actually live and work on the border usually have a good working relationship and help each other out.

I don't work for the patrol so if theres a PA out there with a better understanding of the situation, feel free to correct me.

feedthehogs
January 17, 2006, 08:02 AM
There's no money to be made in a dispute with Mexico.

As been stated many times before, illegal labor is part of our economy like it or not.
Closing the border to all traffic would affect our work force here in the states more than most realize.

And to the rich bashers, gardners, nannies and the such are a very small part of the problem. Manufacturing is the main source of illegal labor.

A US manufacturer trying to compete with foreign labor is impossible with a unionized work force making 40/hr plus bnfits.
Without this labor, a lot more manufacturing facilities in the US would go under and we would be reduced to a nation of consumers only.

I hope no one who complains about the border issue shops at the likes of places such as Walmart because you just shot your argument down.

Economics folks is the reason Uncle Sam turns a blind eye to the problem.

Example:
Today I will go to the local area where the illegals hang out looking for work to pickup 3 guys.
Their mission, to clean trash out of 3 1000 sq/ft industrial bays I bought for some manufacturing space.
I will pay them 10 bucks an hour and feed them.

The reason I go to them, I can't find after going to temp offices, homeless and even ads in the paper for help any American willing to work for 10 bucks/hr plus meals on a short term basis.

Plus even if I hired an American which I've done before, I would have to stand over them the whole time to keep them motivated and would get about 4hrs work for 8 hours pay.

On the other hand the illegals give me 8 hrs work for 8hrs pay and all I need to do is tell them what needs to be done and they do it without me having to stand over top of them at all. I can walk away and come back 8 hrs later and the job is done or if they finish early, they will find me and let me know.

Compare this with my regular workers who make upwards of 15/hr for unskilled labor with medical, 401k, whos only job is to dock boats when they come in, btw most get tips that total 100 bucks a day in cash, and yesterday for example 2 decided not to come into work and not call. I won't fire them because their replacements do the same thing. I had to use my mechanic at 22/hr who generates income to do a job that does not generate income, plus lost 8hrs at 75/hr billable time to cover the shortage in help.

The US worker in general has a bad attitude, is unreliable and wants to make 100k a year for doing nothin.
I know I've been hiring them for 25 years.

LAK
January 17, 2006, 08:27 AM
And "216 times" means, as a minimum; "That we know of".

Or (and); "That we have recorded and documented, and hence we'd better admit less someone blow the whistle before we do."

See, even with this great confession many people are to be given the impression that it was "only 216 times - because the OHS said so". ;)
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http://ussliberty.org
http://ssunitedstates.org

Johnnybgood
January 17, 2006, 01:11 PM
Simplify the guest worker program so they can still come and work if they have not been convicted of a crime, or have been picked up after refusing to return to mexico. I have no problem with them coming to work. It's the staying and taking up my tax dollars to pay for their medical care, food stamps,..... Also we do not need their criminal element (MS-13) in America. I have just heard a story of FOX that the drug/people runners are trying to hire this gang to assist them in getting their product over here. This is supposed to include contract killing of border guards.
This starts and I'll load up my weapons and head for the border myself. This is MY country and I will not put up with this.

Sindawe
January 17, 2006, 01:34 PM
Today I will go to the local area where the illegals hang out looking for work to pickup 3 guys.
Their mission, to clean trash out of 3 1000 sq/ft industrial bays I bought for some manufacturing space.
I will pay them 10 bucks an hour and feed themSo your making the admission that you commit the offense of hiring crimminal aliens feedthehogs? :cuss: :cuss: :cuss: The US worker in general has a bad attitude, is unreliable and wants to make 100k a year for doing nothin.
I know I've been hiring them for 25 years.Sounds to me that problem lies with your ability to select employees, not with the US worker. Those that *I* have worked with do not have this problem.

Waitone
January 17, 2006, 01:42 PM
A month or so ago Charlotte had an illegal get drunk and drive 20 or so miles at high speed on the wrong side of the interstate. He struck headon and killed the son of LEGAL Chinese immigrants. Seems the illegal was here (ready for this) illegally. AND THAT HE HAD BEEN DEPORTED FROM THE UNITED STATE 14 PREVIOUS TIMES. Knowing how difficult it is to deport anyone, how was it this goober was deported 14 times and made it back in each time? Sorta makes me want to know what he does for a living and who employs him. It also makes me want to know why it is he seems to have a free pass from American authorities. Only a few things come to mind to explain it. He's trafficing in humans, drugs, and/or guns. Since he evidently has free reign entry into the US, is he possibly working for the US smuggling stuff out of the US? Don't know but it is a headscratcher.

longeyes
January 17, 2006, 01:47 PM
I guess the "guest worker" plan includes the Mexican military?

Your anecdote, Waitone, is a common theme. Of course these incidents, frequent, go largely unreported and occur, seemingly, without real consequence. The Few don't care; until the rest of us raise hell and read the riot act to the right folks nothing is going to change.

Janitor
January 17, 2006, 01:53 PM
Knowing how difficult it is to deport anyone, how was it this goober was deported 14 times and made it back in each time?
While it may not be so easy to deport somebody, there's no trick at all to coming back in.

Pevey
January 18, 2006, 05:01 AM
Its very easy to deport someone. Its done thousands of times a day. Busload by busload. The border patrol can catch all they want near the border. In the interior when an illegal is arrested for drunk or whatever, they can be held on an immigration hold and put on the green and white bus for their trip back to Mexico. The problem lies with the numbers, like 10 million. The other problem lies with OTM's. (other than Mexico) You can't bus them to the border. Our country never wants to offend anyone by asking them to come and get their people. Finally our asylum laws are so generous that most are approved and that word gets back quick to relatives and friends back in the old country.

This topic is getting away from incursions, which are interesting but not a major deal, to our illegal population, which is a big time scarey deal, not only with us but several countries including Canada. There are no easy answers. :what:

50caliber123
January 18, 2006, 06:05 AM
Start taking prisoners of these military types, that will expose the truth to the mexican army invading our country, and assisting drug dealers. If they shoot at border patrol, return fire and shoot to kill. I don't believe the border patrol agents are bound by the laws of land warfare under the Geneva convention, so they should load up their weapons with the best expanding bullets. How about Winchester Supreme's or Nosler Partition's? Make the mexican army think about crossing over again :D

DontBurnMyFlag
January 18, 2006, 04:39 PM
onward to mexico!

Ive been saying this for years and years and years. Nobody believed me that the mexican military had crossed the border illegally. Probably looking for work...

We should send in the Redneck special forces. I wish I still had that photo somewhere. You guys know what Im talking about.

QuickDraw
January 18, 2006, 04:59 PM
Let the rich butt Californians mow their own lawns, clean their own
houses and babysit their own kids.

The Euro Mexicans like Vincente Fox just want to export the
Indian Mexicans north as an act of ethnic cleansing. And rich
Californians want the cheap slave labor.

Whoa,whoa there cowboy!
I don't think Californians hold the patent on this
kind of thing.
I clean my own house.
I don't hire illegals.
Thats like saying gun owners are murderers.

QuickDraw

Kodiaz
January 18, 2006, 10:16 PM
They should make hiring illegals a felony with a 13 month sentence. After a couple of these crooks go to jail and lose their rights we'll see illegal immigration start to go down. They only come here because they will get hired.

Flyboy
January 18, 2006, 11:42 PM
October 26, 1948: Mexico accepts an apology from the U.S. State Department for recently allowing several thousand Mexican farm laborers to cross the Texas border, in violation of an agreement between the two countries.
http://www.upenn.edu/pnc/politicalapologies.html

How things do change.

tellner
January 19, 2006, 04:53 AM
Sent to my favrite LIEberal who screams NAZI every time I talk about the border wall.

Oh, how cute. Right up there with Cons-serve-a-tool. Stupid, childish namecalling doesn't add to anyone's credibility.

Draven32
January 19, 2006, 06:58 AM
Today I will go to the local area where the illegals hang out looking for work to pickup 3 guys.
Their mission, to clean trash out of 3 1000 sq/ft industrial bays I bought for some manufacturing space.
I will pay them 10 bucks an hour and feed them.

The reason I go to them, I can't find after going to temp offices, homeless and even ads in the paper for help any American willing to work for 10 bucks/hr plus meals on a short term basis.


Have things gotten so messed up in the past ten years?

Ten years ago, I was doing this kind of work, for alot less than ten bucks an hour...

davec
January 19, 2006, 07:11 AM
As I recall, in 1906(?), Pancho Villa was dealt with harshly for crossing our border with armed troops.

I don't know how you can say he was dealt with harshly when they never caught him.

Also, he attacked a US Calvary unit, burned down a town, and killed 20 or so people.

Pancho staged his raid as retaliation for the US government recognizing the new Mexican government. He wasn't acting as an agent of the Mexican State, he was an outlaw from them too, and the Mexican government welcomed General Pershing chasing him around.

12-34hom
January 19, 2006, 07:12 AM
The Mexican army crossing our borders needs to have a large can of whoop ass opened on them.

I saw a program the other night how dangerous the Laredo border crossing has become with all the Mexican mafia drug dealers running amok on the U.S. side of the border. These were the same individuals [Federal police and Mexican army]that we trained to help fight the drug cartels - they promptly changed sides, money talks and the drug cartels are in no short supply of that commodity - thanks to the ravenous appetites of all the millions of drug users on this side of the border.

The sacred hoop has been broken. In some ways America is staring into an abyss.

12-34hom.

444
January 19, 2006, 09:38 AM
I took a gun class last month. One of the other students was a Border Patrol officer stationed in El Paso.
He told me that it is not unusual to have run ins on this side of the border with the Mexican military and they have even taken them into custody. Within a VERY short time, they were released.
We wouldn't want to do anything to anger the Mexicans.

FWIW, he carries an M1A on duty in addition to his handgun.

Biker
January 19, 2006, 10:20 AM
I don't know how you can say he was dealt with harshly when they never caught him.

Also, he attacked a US Calvary unit, burned down a town, and killed 20 or so people.

Pancho staged his raid as retaliation for the US government recognizing the new Mexican government. He wasn't acting as an agent of the Mexican State, he was an outlaw from them too, and the Mexican government welcomed General Pershing chasing him around.
Ya know you're right. For some reason, I thought that he was caught and killed in a Tex border town, but Mr Google informed me that he was assassinated 3 years after he 'retired'.
As the kids say, 'my bad'...
Biker

feedthehogs
January 19, 2006, 10:31 AM
Sindawe,

Criminal? Have you ever gone over the speed limit?
If you use a computer at work, have you ever surf'd the web or visited THR while on company time?

Now that we have that out of the way the locals hang out in open, the INS and Border Patrol know where they are and don't do anything because they know how important it is to the local economy. It has been discussed on the news before and this was the conclusion.

I would not use them if I could find local residents to do the same job.

I don't have a problem picking employees. As a worker, your point of view is much different than mine as an employer.

Double Naught Spy
January 19, 2006, 11:31 AM
How come none of y'all complain when the US invades a neighboring country?

Biker
January 19, 2006, 11:35 AM
What neighboring country have we invaded lately?
Biker

Janitor
January 19, 2006, 11:39 AM
What neighboring country have we invaded lately?
Biker
Iraq.

Hey! It's a smaller world these days. :D

Biker
January 19, 2006, 11:45 AM
Yeah, what with the internet and all, 10,000 miles is tantamount to spittin' distance.:p
Biker:)

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