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Monkeyleg
January 16, 2006, 12:51 AM
It's no secret that the Republican party takes the gunowner vote for granted, every bit as much as the Democrat party takes the minority vote for granted. Neither are deserved nor earned, but it's the way it is.

Here in WI, the Republican party has played gun owners for years. When we get a piece of pro-gun legislation, the R party has often let it be defeated, then call to us to help them elect more R legislators so we can get the bill passed.

This year, though, with the concealed carry bill, things are different. Or, at the very least, the R leadership should realize that a failure to override Doyle's veto will not necessarily play into the R's hands.

In fact, a failure to override Doyle's veto will result in a Doyle victory in November.

If Doyle's veto is sustained, there's going to be a number of ticked-off gun owners, many of whom will stay home in November.

If Doyle's veto is overridden, and Doyle and AG Lautenshlager put up roadblocks to issuance of permits, there's going to be tens of thousands of ticked-off people. Maybe more. Doyle and his goons will be wiped out at the ballot box.

We need to remind the WI Republican leadership that they serve at our pleasure, that we have helped them--through our dollars and time--gain control of the legislature. They owe us.

We have done so with their promises of concealed carry. We've been working and supporting and waiting on that promise for years.

This is the make-or-break year. The "R" legislative leadership knows how to cut deals with Democrats, just as surely as Doyle does.

Message to the R leadership: do it now, or forever rest in peace.

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geekWithA.45
January 16, 2006, 01:03 AM
Well spoken!

amprecon
January 16, 2006, 01:28 AM
Those of us in the middle? I look to my left and see both Republicans and Democrats.

CAnnoneer
January 16, 2006, 01:35 AM
I believe the hallmark of our times is the inevitable disintegration of both parties. Both have expanded themselves so wide over the political spectrum that the overlap has become larger than the differences. That is why the holders of traditional values in both find themselves distinctly and undeniably marginalized.

Strings
January 16, 2006, 02:33 AM
I have to say I agree with CAnnoneer. Both parties are going through a breakdown, trying to be as much as they can for far too many people. And the chinks have started showing up in both...

Now, we have to face two questions:
1)Which will fold/shatter first?
2)What will appear to replace them?

Boogyman
January 16, 2006, 10:06 AM
I find it ridiculous to think that one must always support Republicans or else we will "lose" our gun rights. We've had both Democrat and Republican presidents in the whitehouse over these many years, and I still have my guns.

ngray
January 16, 2006, 10:19 AM
I realize it would effectively shoot gun owners in the foot (pun intended) but how much do WI owners have to take before they just go independent?

thereisnospoon
January 16, 2006, 11:04 AM
Now, we have to face two questions:
1)Which will fold/shatter first?
2)What will appear to replace them?

Maybe the Abramof(sp?) scandal will hurry along the death of the Repulicrats and the Democrans will tear themselves apart getting Hillary on the Ballot in 08, leaving a void filled by someone NOT EVEN on the political spectrum...a true Statesman who will steer this great ship of ours back on course and bring honor and integrity back to 1600 Pennsylvainia Ave...

Oh, I'm sorry I wondered off into dreamland for a moment there....what was the question?;)

ReadyontheRight
January 16, 2006, 06:03 PM
I find it ridiculous to think that one must always support Republicans or else we will "lose" our gun rights. We've had both Democrat and Republican presidents in the whitehouse over these many years, and I still have my guns.


I guess we can all stop worrying then...:rolleyes:

While I agree that we need to hold the Republicans responsible for upholding the Constitution (the Democrats are too far gone - but if you can help get them back...more power to ya!), I've never seen a Republican President run onto TV and move the ball forward on the "next step" in gun control.

On March 2, 2000, barely 48 hours after young Kayla Rolland died in a Michigan schoolyard, President Clinton went on The Today Show with Katie Couric, pleading that , "Maybe this tragic death will help." "We need the public aroused on this," the President said. "If we had passed the child trigger lock provision, those guns would not be used by 6-year-olds. ... Of course I think ultimately what we ought to do is license handgun owners. That is the critical next step."

...

Days later, President Clinton was on This Week with Sam Donaldson: "I think (gun control) should be heavily debated in this presidential election. The Vice President and Governor Bush have dramatically different positions on the whole issue of guns, and I think it ought to be a big issue in the presidential election."

cbsbyte
January 16, 2006, 06:07 PM
In some states there are more pro-gun Democrats than Republicans. Take or instance Massachusetts where the state is overwhelmingly Democrat, but there are only a few pro-gun Republican candiates, while there seems to be more Democrats jumping on the 2nd AD bandwaggon every year.

ReadyontheRight
January 16, 2006, 06:13 PM
while there seems to be more Democrats jumping on the 2nd AD bandwaggon every year.

Kerry-style "I believe in the Second Amendment...I'm a hunter" support is even worse than RINOs. I'm betting we'll see Hillary Clinton out duck hunting this Fall.

xd9fan
January 16, 2006, 06:33 PM
Maybe the Abramof(sp?) scandal will hurry along the death of the Repulicrats and the Democrans will tear themselves apart getting Hillary on the Ballot in 08, leaving a void filled by someone NOT EVEN on the political spectrum...a true Statesman who will steer this great ship of ours back on course and bring honor and integrity back to 1600 Pennsylvainia Ave...

Oh, I'm sorry I wondered off into dreamland for a moment there....what was the question?;)


see I guess this is the problem (for me) I dont want anybody thinking they HAVE TO "steer this great ship of ours" anywhere..(D's or R's)..............I want Govt to back off....take second place to individual liberty (for a change) I can decide what is best for me thanks. These little phases of socialism are everywhere and drive me nuts.

RealGun
January 16, 2006, 08:14 PM
In some states there are more pro-gun Democrats than Republicans. Take or instance Massachusetts where the state is overwhelmingly Democrat, but there are only a few pro-gun Republican candiates, while there seems to be more Democrats jumping on the 2nd AD bandwaggon every year.

Hmmm? US Senate - Kerry and Kennedy. 10 Reps in the House. All are rated F or F- by GOA. Why should I think things would be different at the State level?

000Buck
January 16, 2006, 08:35 PM
I find it ridiculous to think that one must always support Republicans or else we will "lose" our gun rights. We've had both Democrat and Republican presidents in the whitehouse over these many years, and I still have my guns.

Oh yeah, the AWB never happened, we all just made that up.

Standing Wolf
January 16, 2006, 10:08 PM
Message to the R leadership: do it now, or forever rest in peace.

That's not just a Wisconsin message: that's a national message of the utmost importance.

Wllm. Legrand
January 16, 2006, 10:13 PM
The Republicans must do "it" now?

I think they've done it already to the country...good and hard.

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