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Brat7748
January 16, 2006, 05:32 PM
http://www.startribune.com/767/story/186214.html


The grounds of the Fresh Water Fishing Hall of Fame and Museum in Hayward, Wis. Twenty people can stand in the observation platform in the mouth of the fiberglass muskie, according to the museum. (Image courtesy Fresh Water Fishing Hall of Fame http://www.freshwater-fishing.org/museum.html

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HAYWARD, WIS. - The National Fresh Water Fishing Hall of Fame's board of directors today upheld angler Louie Spray's claim to the world record muskie, a 69-pound, 11-ounce specimen he landed on Oct. 20, 1949.
Spray's record had been challenged by an Illinois fishing group. Spray's catch had unseated the previous record-holder, a 69 1/2-pound fish caught by Cal Johnson of Minneapolis. Had Spray's record been invalidated today, the honor would have reverted to Johnson, unifying the title between the Hayward hall and the International Game Fish Association.

The IGFA has refused to recognize Spray as record holder, despite having landed the larger fish, since he shot it with a pistol before pulling it into the boat. The Hayward hall of fame recognizes that shooting fish to land them was legal at the time, a hall of fame spokesman told the Star Tribune in 2003.

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SASS#23149
January 16, 2006, 05:37 PM
ya sure woulen't want to shoot it AFTER it's in the boat!

blub,blub,blub,blub:what:

joebogey
January 16, 2006, 06:59 PM
I don't fish for muskie. But if I did, I'd shoot'em too.
Way too many teeth for my liking. And as stated before me, I wouldn't wait till he was in the boat.

ewb45acp
January 16, 2006, 07:30 PM
When I was a kid it seemed like every old man I knew took a .22 pistol of some sort with them fishing and checking trot lines. "It's fer snappers".

carebear
January 16, 2006, 07:38 PM
A big fish can make a mess of a boat and whacking them on the head can knock the hook out.

I've seen big halibut and sharks shot, never a freshwater fish though.

Tigerseye
January 16, 2006, 07:49 PM
Kind of reminds me of the scene in the movie "Second Hand Lions" where Michael Caine and Charles Duvall are "fishing" with shotguns. ;-)

Tigerseye

springmom
January 16, 2006, 07:52 PM
If I landed a 67 pound fish I'd wanna shoot it too, before it ate me! :what:

Springmom

gezzer
January 16, 2006, 08:59 PM
Normal spring fishing in VT is with a 30/06, from a tree stand no less!:what:

p35
January 16, 2006, 09:02 PM
Using a gun is still routine when halibut fishing.

nfl1990
January 16, 2006, 09:16 PM
Kind of reminds me of the scene in the movie "Second Hand Lions" where Michael Caine and Charles Duvall are "fishing" with shotguns.

I like where one yells to the other, "Cover me while I reload."

Gunpacker
January 16, 2006, 09:43 PM
Wow, the weights were close. He probably lost a few oz. at least from the .45 hole in the fish and the liquid loss.

1911 guy
January 17, 2006, 12:52 AM
I lived in Virginia Beach for a few years and fished a lot in the river and Back Bay. Thar be bowfin in them thar waters. Big teeth and I want my bait/lure back. Shoot them and recast.

svtruth
January 17, 2006, 04:45 PM
the Vermont pike?

teCh0010
January 17, 2006, 10:55 PM
I beat a 14lb muskie with a steel coffe thermos until it stoped trying to run me out of the boat. If I caught a 60lb muskie I'd shoot it too.

Fishing off of Andros Island a guy showed me a good trick for taking care of fish as you land them. He would keep a spray bottle of rum in the boat and spray it directly on the gills, lights out.

CrazyIrishman
January 18, 2006, 02:43 AM
I've caught a few small pickerel but never a muskie. I can't imagine getting bit with the kind of choppers they have! I'd would have shot 'em too!

grimjaw
January 18, 2006, 03:19 AM
Dad would carry a .22 revolver with shotshells in case snakes dropped in the boat from low hanging branches. Wouldn't work very well on catfish, though.

jmm

Spiggy
January 18, 2006, 03:46 AM
at the very least, a samurai sword would be in my tackle box... along some soy sauce and wasabi...

*ahem* That's A Huge FISH!

EddieCoyle
January 18, 2006, 09:18 AM
Would a .357 or a .45 be adequate for the Vermont pike?

You're better off with a pointed FMJ bullet from a rifle.

lawson
January 18, 2006, 09:24 AM
a few weeks ago i pulled a 18lb channel cat that i would have liked to have shot before landing, it put up a hell of a fight.

svtruth
January 18, 2006, 01:08 PM
So the SKS or the AK?
Thanks.

EddieCoyle
January 18, 2006, 02:17 PM
So the SKS or the AK?
Thanks.

Either should be fine. Pick the one that floats better. Make sure you're using solid core 7.62X39 ammo though. The hollow points are no good in the water.

Seriously though, I did this once with some friends that were attending UVM in the early 80's. I'm an avid bass fisherman and always catch and release. It's pretty hard to release a pike with a hole in it though. For the record, I got a couple with my M1 Carbine. I believe it is still legal.

old4x4
January 18, 2006, 02:20 PM
When I was in college, a friend and I went "hunting" with a Ruger MK II near his house. The pike were spawning in a backwater of a river in about 2-3 feet of water. We shot probably about 35 or 40 in 2 days. His mother deep fried the fillets and we ate like kings. The smallest was prob. 18" and the largest was 34" long. No, it wasn't legal (NYS) and it was kinda tough carrying them thru the woods to his car while watching for the ENCON officer that frequented the area (I wonder why). We didn't get caught. :D

Sleeping Dog
January 18, 2006, 07:45 PM
Do you need armor-piercing rounds for steelheads?

And I thing you're not supposed to use dynamite for fishing, but can you use it just to punch a hole through the ice? Those augers are a lot of work!

Regards.

EddieCoyle
January 18, 2006, 11:57 PM
You gotta aim low.

Cosmoline
January 19, 2006, 12:06 AM
You call that a big fish? :D :D

http://www.towerrocklodge.com/album/leskingrecord3.jpg

http://www.towerrocklodge.com/album/photo3page.html

A lot of guys use a .410 topper to kill the big halibut. It seems to be enough gun for the job, believe it or not. I don't know if I'd trust it on salmon shark though.

http://www.kenaipeninsula.com/record_halibut.jpg

carebear
January 19, 2006, 03:07 AM
Up here pike are an invasive species. Some people wanting a taste of home introduced them to a few lake and stream systems, now they're spreading. :banghead:

You can catch and kill as many as you want and Fish and Game will ask if you'd really rather not kill a few more. They eat the trout and salmon fry.

R.O.F
January 19, 2006, 03:53 AM
I am kinda in the middle spot here. In the GF&P book, it says that you can not throw aquatic nuisences(sp) back into the water, but then it says it is illegal to take fish, frogs or turtles with a firearm.

Now, I have been shooting carp since I was 13 years old, my dad actually excused me from school to go out with my grandpa and him to shoot carp. I have been hooked since then.

At age 16, it was a very good year, I was shooting carp at a local hole, when a state bridge inspector showed up. I profiled my .22 by my side and slinked back to my car. Upon seeing this he laughed and said he was only there to inspect the brigde and I could go back to shooting my carp. HE KNEW EXACTLY WHAT I WAS DOING. That same summer, 2 other farmers stopped when they saw me and pulled out their "truck .22s" to shoot along side me. I have never had a problem since and didn't think wrong otherwise.

Last year however, I upgraded my arsenal to an AR-15 and 2 9mm pistols (ps, 9mm doesn't work worth crap in water) I got 3 assclowns yelling at me for doing the same thing I have been doing for the last 12 years. I have kept a lower profile since, but I still don't think there is anything wrong with it. No worse than shooting gophers I say. Carp wreck the habitat for game fish, and damage the ecosystem, is the last thing I heard on the "Carp Situation". I have since dubbed myself an "Aquatic Nuisence Control Officer" or A.N.C.O for short. Not that is an established anything, do you think my little joke or favorite pasttime is gonna get me in trouble at some point? If I abide by all laws such as 660 ft from livestock, schools, homes, and churches, will anyone really hassle me about shooting the "vermin" of the water?

Been on my mind for some time, just seeing if there are any other "Shallow Stream Sharpshooters of America"

R.O.F
January 19, 2006, 03:54 AM
I am kinda in the middle spot here. In the GF&P book, it says that you can not throw aquatic nuisences(sp) back into the water, but then it says it is illegal to take fish, frogs or turtles with a firearm.

Now, I have been shooting carp since I was 13 years old, my dad actually excused me from school to go out with my grandpa and him to shoot carp. I have been hooked since then.

At age 16, it was a very good year, I was shooting carp at a local hole, when a state bridge inspector showed up. I profiled my .22 by my side and slinked back to my car. Upon seeing this he laughed and said he was only there to inspect the brigde and I could go back to shooting my carp. HE KNEW EXACTLY WHAT I WAS DOING. That same summer, 2 other farmers stopped when they saw me and pulled out their "truck .22s" to shoot along side me. I have never had a problem since and didn't think wrong otherwise.:D

Last year however, I upgraded my arsenal to an AR-15 and 2 9mm pistols (ps, 9mm doesn't work worth crap in water) I got 3 assclowns yelling at me for doing the same thing I have been doing for the last 12 years. I have kept a lower profile since, but I still don't think there is anything wrong with it. No worse than shooting gophers I say. Carp wreck the habitat for game fish, and damage the ecosystem, is the last thing I heard on the "Carp Situation". I have since dubbed myself an "Aquatic Nuisence Control Officer" or A.N.C.O for short. Not that is an established anything, do you think my little joke or favorite pasttime is gonna get me in trouble at some point? If I abide by all laws such as 660 ft from livestock, schools, homes, and churches, will anyone really hassle me about shooting the "vermin" of the water?

Been on my mind for some time, just seeing if there are any other "Shallow Stream Sharpshooters of America"

cracked butt
January 19, 2006, 06:27 AM
Nah, you don't shoot Muskies anymore. Just land them in a big net, keep your hands away from the mouth, and use a loooong pair of needle nosed pliers or hemostats to unhook them and let them go gently so they can give another fisherman a spectacular fight another day.

Northern Pike which most people keep for eating are a different story- you hit them over the head with a billy club or a 18" length of shovel handle after you land them, they will cut you up good if you get near their mouth or gills.

I can't remember if it was he Spray record or another that was controversial. There wasn't an original mount of it, though there's a replica of the fish, and there were some questions about the method in which it was caught and how it was weighed and certified. In Hayward there are different people that claim one or the other was legitimate and the other wasn't. The replica of the fish in the Fresh water fishing hall of fame is pretty impressive to look at though.

http://www.freshwater-fishing.org/museum.html


Edit: just looked at the picture in the Article. It is indeed the controversial fish. Muskie experts who have studied the photograph have pretty much concluded that the particular fish couldn't have weighed 69 lbs. The actual mount of what many consider to be the real world record muskie hangs in a bar in Hayward.

R.O.F
January 19, 2006, 06:48 AM
I'm not following. If you think that the fish in the pic is a replica, look a little closer at the people standing in its mouth. I've been there, and it is no replica. If you caught that, you'd be a legend far beyond the National Geographic realm.

stevelyn
January 19, 2006, 10:40 AM
All halibut of any size I catch get gaffed or shot through their pea brains before getting boated. I've also caught some pike out of Kiyuh Flats when I lived on the Yukon that probably should have been shot.:what:

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