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SIGarmed
January 19, 2006, 01:40 AM
Wait a minute? I thought... but CNN said...This can't be! Didn't we just hit another innocent wedding part?

:rolleyes:

http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/Investigation/story?id=1517986


U.S. Strike Killed al Qaeda Bomb Maker

Jan. 18, 2006 ABC News has learned that Pakistani officials now believe that al Qaeda's master bomb maker and chemical weapons expert was one of the men killed in last week's U.S. missile attack in eastern Pakistan.

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davec
January 19, 2006, 04:27 AM
did we get their #2 man for the 5th straight time too?

Basura Blanca
January 19, 2006, 05:11 AM
http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/Investigation/story?id=1517986


U.S. Strike Killed al Qaeda Bomb Maker

Jan. 18, 2006 ABC News has learned that Pakistani officials now believe that al Qaeda's master bomb maker and chemical weapons expert was one of the men killed in last week's U.S. missile attack in eastern Pakistan.

There you go believing the "Marxist", "left-wing" media... when it's convenient.

The funny thing (in the peculiar sense of the word) about this missile attack is that the collateral damage is completely marginalized... again, when it's convenient.

Imagine a scenario in your own neighborhood where a LE pursuit ends up turning into a gun battle and 18 innocent people get killed at the expense of one bad guy being taken out. People would be screaming bloody hell (and don't say it doesn't happen) but if it's in Pakistan or elsewhere and it's in pursuit of terrorists, it's somehow ok?

...and we're supposed to believe that the "terrorists" don't value human life? :rolleyes:

Besides all that, in spite of what ABC (you know, them "Marxists" in the media) are reporting, AFAIK, there still aren't any bodies that have been positively identified to confirm that any suspected Al Quaeda members were dispatched at all.

It's always the little details though.

GTSteve03
January 19, 2006, 09:14 AM
did we get their #2 man for the 5th straight time too?
When you kill the #2 man, does the #3 man automatically become the new #2? If so, by this point we're probably targetting Habib the Janitor. :rolleyes:

roo_ster
January 19, 2006, 09:21 AM
Imagine a scenario in your own neighborhood where a LE pursuit ends up turning into a gun battle and 18 innocent people get killed at the expense of one bad guy being taken out.
You make the assumption that the hypothetical 18 that got whacked are innocent.

They may not be card-carrying Al Queda, but they were inviting such over for dinner.

Forgive me for not crying myself to sleep at night when folks who provide material support to Al Queda reap what they have sown.

SIGarmed
January 19, 2006, 09:36 AM
I knew whiners would come out of the wood works.

:)

HankB
January 19, 2006, 09:42 AM
You make the assumption that the hypothetical 18 that got whacked are innocent.

They may not be card-carrying Al Queda, but they were inviting such over for dinner.
+1

Colt
January 19, 2006, 09:51 AM
You make the assumption that the hypothetical 18 that got whacked are innocent.

They may not be card-carrying Al Queda, but they were inviting such over for dinner.


+18

And yes, the anti-Bush crowd knows no bounds, even to the point of lamenting the "wrongful deaths" of insurgent scumbags, if it serves their purposes.

As far as LE in you neighborhood, just avoid attending wedding receptions of known terrorists. And if you don't want the spooks listening in on your calls, stop calling Mohamad collect.

warth0g
January 19, 2006, 09:51 AM
As long as those tribal-people dont turn in, or at least dont give shelter to terrorists, this will continue. When they start to understand not to harbour terrorist, we have won.

warthog

markdaniel
January 19, 2006, 09:57 AM
Well somebody keeps shooting at our troops over there maybe more of the "innocents" need to die.

wingnutx
January 19, 2006, 12:09 PM
Imagine a scenario in your own neighborhood where a LE pursuit ends up turning into a gun battle and 18 innocent people get killed at the expense of one bad guy being taken out.


Law enforcement in civil society is quite different from war in the international arena.

I'd love to be able to send some cops in to arrest this guy, but unfortunately that is impossible.

I wish we could have sent the Germans an eviction notice in France instead of bombing the crap out of the place, killing all manner of allied civilians. Since we couldn't, I'm glad we invaded with overwhelming force.

Basura Blanca
January 19, 2006, 02:48 PM
Since many seemed to have missed them, I'll itemize the key points here for ease of debate:

1. The "Marxist" media makes frequent reporting mistakes as illustrated numerous times here on THR when technical aspects of firearms details are butchered in their coverage. In this case, the linked story is no exception and for that reason, should be taken with a grain of salt. There still is no evidence that any top-level "insurgents" were killed in the attack, but like I said, when it's convenient and it fits the agenda of the reader/poster to believe the story, it's the gospel truth.

Read the article that was linked. It says, "Pakistani officials now believe that al Qaeda's master bomb maker and chemical weapons expert was one of the men killed". Nothing, AFAIK, has yet to be confirmed one way or the other.

2. As for any assumption on my part that all 18 (or how ever many it turns out to be) "innocent" people were indeed innocent, again I point to the questionable accuracy of the media. However, if that much is true, and we're talking about children being lumped into some poster's definitions of the "folks who provide material support to Al Queda" (or whoever), then it only serves to prove my point that claiming that it's only the terrorists who don't value human life is hypocritical to several degrees.
IOW, if it's ok for the U.S. to kill kids to meet their goals, then yeah, I'm a whiner, but I'm not a hypocrite.

3. As for the analogy to the LE pursuit and ensuing gun battle, it's just that, an a-nal-og-y. (Hint: don't take it literally). :rolleyes:

Khornet
January 19, 2006, 03:38 PM
your point #2 is flawed.

Our 'collateral damage' is just that: a byproduct. The AQ GOAL is dead children. Can you see the diff?

shield20
January 19, 2006, 03:44 PM
If I didn't want to get killed accidently back in the '40s, I do not think I would be hanging out with Yamamoto in the Pacific in the Spring of '43 or with Hitler in Berlin in Spring of '45. These days, I would not be hanging out anywhere anytime with Al Qeda reps.

And if I WAS hanging out with these types, maybe I wouldn't be so innocent to begin with?

Biker
January 19, 2006, 03:50 PM
To play the Devil's Advocate, I'm sure that the kids have no choice in the matter, and I really doubt that the women have a choice either. I don't figure that there are a lot of women's shelters in those parts.
Biker

El Tejon
January 19, 2006, 03:54 PM
When we bombed German factories during WWII, did the media whine and cry over the bombs that went astray and atomized little Fritz and Heidi on Mueller Strasse? For the stray bombs from B-24s and B-17s that took out churches, wedding parties and dinner parties?

Did the Republicans accuse FDR and Truman of murder and waging an illegal war?

While it is always better to kill AQT with a .22 to the ear so we know who we are killing and so we have a head to chop off and parade about, I care as much for the Pakistanis who were killed as I do for little Fritz and Heidi. A great sorrow, but mommy and daddy should have known about the Nazis. Akhmed and his wives should have known about The Base.

This is war. Bad things happen in war. However, as long as we kill the enemy, we should not stop.:)

MrTuffPaws
January 19, 2006, 03:56 PM
Innocent until proven guilty.....Oh wait, we don't do that anymore.

El Tejon
January 19, 2006, 03:59 PM
Not in war, no we do not.

Biker
January 19, 2006, 04:01 PM
In that vein, El T, I will never understand Dresden.
Biker

rick_reno
January 19, 2006, 04:17 PM
I don't believe they can verify who they killed in that attack, unless they're willing to go into what is a hostile area and dig up graves.

El Tejon
January 19, 2006, 04:20 PM
Biker, yes, no doubt a great sorrow, but did the media whine and cry over it then?

Do you feel the same about the firebombing of the Japanese?:confused:

Khornet
January 19, 2006, 04:49 PM
why is it that Dresden and Hiroshima are always recalled but Nanking and its many siblings don't come up?

AZ Jeff
January 19, 2006, 04:55 PM
In that vein, El T, I will never understand Dresden.
Biker
Dresden was psychological warfare as much as it was conventional warfare. (It was also payback by the British for the bombings in London during the Battle of Britain.)

When we did the same thing to Tokyo, no one squawked in the slightest.

dolanp
January 19, 2006, 04:57 PM
They may be terrorist scumbags deserving of death, or they may not be. The real point is we don't know for sure yet and I don't know about you but I don't take anything the government says on faith.

AZ Jeff
January 19, 2006, 04:57 PM
why is it that Dresden and Hiroshima are always recalled but Nanking and its many siblings don't come up?
For some reason, bleeding hearts think killing/torturing many persons over a protracted period, as was done in Nanking, is "more reasonable" than killing many quickly, as was done at Hiroshima.

Such logic escapes me, though.

Art Eatman
January 19, 2006, 05:02 PM
And slanging and banging = closing...

Art

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