Chertoff: Mexico Troop Reports Overblown


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Rusher
January 19, 2006, 11:10 AM
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Chertoff: Mexico Troop Reports Overblown

By ELLIOT SPAGAT
Associated Press Writer

SAN DIEGO (AP) -- Reports of Mexican soldiers frequently crossing onto U.S. soil are overblown, and many of the incidents are just mistakes, Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff said.

Chertoff's remarks followed a newspaper report that Mexican military units had crossed into the United States 216 times since 1996. The report by the Inland Valley Daily Bulletin of Ontario on Sunday was based on a Homeland Security Department report.

Chertoff estimated there were only about 20 crossings a year, and said "a significant number of those are innocent things" in which police or military from Mexico step across the border because they're not aware of exactly where the line is.

"I think to create the image that somehow there is a deliberate effort by the Mexican military to cross the border would be to traffic in scare tactics," he said Wednesday.

Rafael Laveaga, a spokesman for the Mexican Embassy in Washington, declined to comment. He stood by earlier remarks that the Mexican military has never deliberately stepped onto U.S. soil. He declined to say if there were any unintentional crossings.

The head of a labor union that represents about 10,500 U.S. Border Patrol agents dismissed Chertoff's remarks as a "diplomatic response" to a long-running problem on the U.S.-Mexico border.

"It really doesn't surprise me that he's playing the diplomat," said T.J. Bonner, president of the National Border Patrol Council. "This is a guy whose time on the border can be measured in hours, not years."

Bonner said Mexican soldiers - possibly some Army deserters - are providing protection for drug runners.

"It's all about the drugs," he said. "The lure of the riches of the cartel, they're too many for many of their solders to resist, whether they're corrupted on active duty or take up with other bands."

Homeland Security recorded an annual average of 21.6 Mexican military incursions since the 1996 fiscal year, according to the Inland Valley Daily Bulletin. Incidents peaked at 40 in 2002 and dropped to nine in the 2005 fiscal year that ended in September.

The Border Patrol's El Centro sector, which covers southeastern California, recorded the most incursions since 1996 (58), followed by Tucson, Ariz., (39), El Paso, Texas (33) and McAllen, Texas, (28), according to the newspaper. Del Rio, Texas, recorded only three incidents, the fewest of the agency's nine sectors along the southwest border.

Peter Nunez, the U.S. attorney in San Diego from 1982 to 1988, said it was difficult to know if the reports are overblown without additional information.

"Who's reporting these things?" he said. "What are the details?"

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Associated Press writer Lara Jakes Jordan in Washington contributed to this report.

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1911 guy
January 19, 2006, 11:35 AM
We get a report that a foreign army has incurred upon our borders, are aiding in illegal acts and now we're being told by our own government that we don't need to worry about it? Then what exactly should I be worrying about? One politician covering for another politician, not even from the same country. But they're trying to make it that way. :barf:

longeyes
January 19, 2006, 02:31 PM
It's not a border, it's a "region"--weren't we told this a while ago? You can't violate what's not there.

Biker
January 19, 2006, 02:38 PM
It's not a border, it's a "region"--weren't we told this a while ago? You can't violate what's not there.
Heh heh...That sounds like a defense that Johnny Cochran might present for a rapist and the analogy isn't completely inappropriate in this case, I believe.
;)
Biker

rick_reno
January 19, 2006, 02:38 PM
One thing I've learned is that people in the Bush administration never lie. I believe him.

dasmi
January 19, 2006, 02:54 PM
One thing I've learned is that people in the Bush administration never lie. I believe him.
All administrations have liars in them.

odysseus
January 19, 2006, 02:56 PM
New title for the article - Chertoff: Nothing to see here, move along now.

dasmi
January 19, 2006, 02:57 PM
New title for the article - Chertoff: Nothing to see here, move along now.
That's exactly what is happening. They are hoping that a good chunk of Americans will take him at his word, and think nothing is wrong.

longeyes
January 19, 2006, 04:11 PM
Was that the Dept. of Homeland Security or Dept. of Homeboy Security?:D

HankB
January 19, 2006, 04:18 PM
Last night at the gym they had CNN on the monitors, and the talking head was really ripping Chertoff a new one - I don't have a transcript, but he basically said that if Chertoff doesn't think armed Mexican troops repeatedly crossing the border for no good reason was no big deal, and that he wanted US Border Patrol to soft-pedal it, then that was indicative of big problems in the way he was running Homeland Security.

Again, this was on CNN, sometimes known as the Communist News Network or Clinton News Network.

Pilot
January 19, 2006, 04:31 PM
Chertoff is either out of touch or trying to minimize the issue so the Administration doesn't look so bad. This is going to bite Bush in the *ss big time.

hkOrion
January 19, 2006, 04:59 PM
Chertoff estimated there were only about 20 crossings a year, and said "a significant number of those are innocent things" in which police or military from Mexico step across the border because they're not aware of exactly where the line is.

Maybe we should build a big wall to make it extremely obvious... I'm sure i would get the same leniency if I inadventently crossed into Canada, right? What line? I don't see any line?

idiots.

El Tejon
January 19, 2006, 05:21 PM
Overblown=completely fabricated or just a little true?:confused:

Hawkmoon
January 19, 2006, 08:52 PM
Overblown=completely fabricated or just a little true?:confused:
That means it wasn't 216 times, it was really only 214. You KNOW how the press loves to exaggerate ...

Fred Fuller
January 19, 2006, 09:14 PM
...but boy you better believe all those terror alerts they issue are the real thing, though...

lpl/nc (of course no self respecting terrorist would sneak across a border that leaks like a seive...)

FRIENDLY
January 19, 2006, 09:20 PM
Simple answer. lay extra large mixed type land mine fields place large amount of multiple language signage and razor wire.cover it with heavy roving military patrols then step back and see just HOW MANY accidental intrusions you see I think it would stop very quick.

Bottom Gun
January 19, 2006, 09:29 PM
I don't know about other states, but since my home is less than 10 miles from the Arizona/Mexico border, I'm sort of familiar with it. Every single foot of the border which I've seen has been fenced and there are signs at intervals which let you know that it's an international border.
Granted, in some areas, it's only a barbed wire fence and easily crossed, but it's still a fence.
I haven't seen many fences on the border region on the Mexico side so if you're wandering about and come to a fence, wouldn't you suspect it might be an international border? Of course you would.
"Accidental crossings" are total nonsense.

odysseus
January 19, 2006, 10:12 PM
I don't know about other states, but since my home is less than 10 miles from the Arizona/Mexico border, I'm sort of familiar with it. Every single foot of the border which I've seen has been fenced and there are signs at intervals which let you know that it's an international border.p.

BG - Are you near Yuma?

Over in that area there is definitely a presence of Border Patrol and fencing throughout it.

Bottom Gun
January 19, 2006, 10:15 PM
My home is near Elgin. It's between Nogales and Sierra Vista. I'm 12 miles from Parker Canyon Lake.

Standing Wolf
January 19, 2006, 10:51 PM
Oh, gosh! I thought Jorge Bush had a plan!

rick_reno
January 19, 2006, 10:53 PM
Chertoff is either out of touch or trying to minimize the issue so the Administration doesn't look so bad. This is going to bite Bush in the *ss big time.

He's not out of touch - the agenda is to pass the Bush guest worker plan. These little negative factoids that pop up that could impact passing this plan need to be addressed quickly - with whatever pablum the public is willing to swallow. That's Chertoff's job - he's a fireman putting out fires - and as we're learning it doesn't matter what he throws on the fire.
I don't think it'll bite Bush. His plan is going to implemented.

para.2
January 19, 2006, 11:09 PM
"Chertoff estimated there were only about 20 crossings a year...."

Oh, is that all? Hardly worth bothering with, is it?:cuss:

Bottom Gun
January 19, 2006, 11:15 PM
That's less than two per month. Oh well, at least they're "accidental".

Makes you wonder how they ever make it back home if they navigate that poorly.

longeyes
January 19, 2006, 11:16 PM
I don't think it'll bite Bush. His plan is going to implemented.

Perhaps he should remember the old adage: Beware what you wish for.

fourays2
January 20, 2006, 12:01 AM
Oh, gosh! I thought Jorge Bush had a plan!
he does, it's just not the one most Americans want to see implemented

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