UCLA Threatens Legal Action Against Conservative Activist


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Desertdog
January 19, 2006, 02:39 PM
He's BAD, he's conservative. If preachers, due to tax exempt statues, cannot say anything political; why should A tax funded professor be allowed to indoctrinate, propagandizes, and talk against/for any candidate. They should be there to TEACH a set course.

UCLA Threatens Legal Action Against Conservative Activist
By Nathan Burchfiel
CNSNews.com Correspondent
http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewNation.asp?Page=\Nation\archive\200601\NAT20060119b.html


(CNSNews.com) - The University of California Los Angeles is preparing to take legal action against a former student who has established an unofficial alumni association targeting "political radicalism on campus."

UCLAProfs.com offers profiles of more than 30 "radical" professors, along with descriptions of their political "proselytizing" in the classroom. The website ranks the professors' level of socialism, using miniature clenched fists, just as movie reviews often use stars to rate films.

The website's founder, Andrew Jones, graduated from UCLA in 2003. He launched the Bruin Alumni Association (BAA) in January 2005, prompting UCLA to issue a cease-and-desist letter alleging trademark violations.

Under pressure from UCLA, Jones removed the school's seal from his website. He also added a disclaimer, confirming that the Bruin Alumni Association is not affiliated with the university nor with the official UCLA Alumni Association.

Jones said he hasn't heard from the university since making the changes, but UCLA spokeswoman Tricia Halsey told Cybercast News Service that Jones' new project, a description of the "most radical" UCLA professors, may invite further legal action.

"I wouldn't be starting an alumni association if I didn't care about the school," Jones told Cybercast News Service . But, he continued, "the [official] Alumni Association is...not interested in having a full discussion of the issues; they're interested in covering over problems when they come up because they don't want to disrupt or knock off the tracks the fundraising gravy train."

Jones said his new project is trying to "be very detailed about our charges and really lay out the full scope of the problem."

His website offers to pay students who collect information about "abusive, one-sided, or off-topic" behavior in the classroom.

"Do you have a professor who just can't stop talking about President Bush, about Howard Dean, about the war in Iraq, about MoveOn.org, about the Republican Party, about the Democratic Party, or any other ideological issue that has nothing to do with the class subject matter?" the website asks.

"Full, detailed lecture notes, all professor-distributed materials, and full tape recordings of every class session, for one class: $100," the offer says.

Jones said he's not asking people to believe what he's saying based on faith or anecdote: "We're going to put all this together and we're going to take our case to the public and say, 'Until UCLA agrees to shape up, perhaps your donor dollars should go elsewhere.'"

But his efforts aren't going over well with the UCLA administration. Spokeswoman Halsey stressed that the BAA has "no affiliation with UCLA at all" and called Jones a "guy who got angry and started his own thing."

She said more legal pressure is being put on Jones to abandon his project, but she was not sure if the school or the Alumni Association was behind the new effort. "I'm not sure what the process is, but I know that they're currently trying to get him to stop," she said.

Jones said he's confident that he's exercising protected free speech, and he said he is ready for a fight.

"I'm sure they have plans for us," he said. "I'm hoping any day now to get the cease-and-desist letter so then we can end up with a David-versus-Goliath situation. They will lose and they will lose badly."

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tellner
January 19, 2006, 02:44 PM
In other words, someone is paying students to spy on professors for political purposes. The University thinks this is an assault on academic freedom and independence and is acting accordingly. Be honest. The only thing that bothers you about it is that it's someone who shares your political agenda. If liberals were paying students to spy on conservatives with an eye towards getting them fired because of their opinions you would have a stroke.

Henry Bowman
January 19, 2006, 02:49 PM
If liberals were paying students to spy on conservatives with an eye towards getting them fired because of their opinions you would have a stroke.Not "because of their opinions." Because of their pushing their opinions onto students and punishing anyone who dares to disagree with them.

Camp David
January 19, 2006, 02:53 PM
UCLA Threatens Legal Action Against Conservative Activist
By Nathan Burchfiel
CNSNews.com Correspondent
http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewNation.asp?Page=\Nation\archive\200601\NAT20060119b.html
(CNSNews.com) - The University of California Los Angeles is preparing to take legal action against a former student who has established an unofficial alumni association targeting "political radicalism on campus."
."

Universities in America are overwhelmingly liberal and leftist... Mr. Jones is doing parents a favor by publishing the radicalism and shining a light on it... UCLA profs should be expanded nationwide, to highlight any professor that espouses his political opinion (left or right) to students; education is suppose to be free from propaganda... I have several questions though...

Why isn't the ACLU defending Mr. Jones right to free speech?

Why is UCLA at all worried, if it has done nothing wrong?

Andrew Jones provides a service; why is this wrong?

I now know who I will donate money toward: Andrew Jones... this is a worthwhile effort.

longeyes
January 19, 2006, 02:59 PM
Not spying, reporting.

A lot of professors have been abusing "academic freedom" in the classroom for a long time, using their captive audiences and grading power to force-feed ideas that have little or nothing to do with their prescribed subject matter. The situation has become aggravated and scandalous; people are tired of the attempt to indoctrinate and the intimidation that goes with it.

Of course, being unmasked is painful. Tough.

ArmedBear
January 19, 2006, 03:03 PM
In other words, someone is paying students to spy on professors for political purposes. The University thinks this is an assault on academic freedom and independence and is acting accordingly. Be honest. The only thing that bothers you about it is that it's someone who shares your political agenda. If liberals were paying students to spy on conservatives with an eye towards getting them fired because of their opinions you would have a stroke.

Actually, if you look at what is really happening at UCLA, it's not about professors' opinions. It's about the gross misappropriation of class time, and scandalous grading practices related to political coercion.

Whether these guys are ultimately right, wrong, or in-between, they have a legitimate beef.

See this roundup for more information, especially the link to alumna Gina Cobb's blog.

http://instapundit.com/archives/028093.php

USMCRotrHed
January 19, 2006, 03:09 PM
I actually sat in on a torts class at a local law school a few months back. The professor used to work for the ACLU before he became a prof. In class he admitted to being openly socialist leaning. However (and this is the unbelievable part) he actually invited and encouraged conservative/capitalist points of view to be expressed in class. When the first right leaning student spoke up, I expected a sharp rebuke. Instead a worthwhile discussion took place.

I don't mind too much if a prof is a socialist pig if he/she would conduct this type of learning. Unfortunately it is all too rare, and I have seen my fair share of classrooms since I have been going to college at least part time for the last 15 years.

HankB
January 19, 2006, 03:13 PM
In other words, someone is paying students to spy on professors for political purposes. UCLA is part of the University of California, right? A public school funded largely with public tax dollars?

Why should an employee of such an institution have an expectation of secrecy when he's lecturing a large group of students?

If he's paid to teach economics, biology, anthropology, or any other specified topic, and he veers off into areas of politics with NO connection to the subject matter he's paid to teach, then the people who pay his salary (i.e., donors and taxpayers) have a legitimate right to know.

The outrage expressed by the school's administraton should be regarded as a strong indication that they know the actions of some professors are inappropriate, and prefer to cover it up rather than correct it.

Standing Wolf
January 19, 2006, 10:16 PM
Why don't we just pull the financial plug on institutions of "higher education" that persist in spewing socialist propaganda?

longeyes
January 19, 2006, 10:28 PM
The universities have had it their way for a long, long time. What percentage of faculty today is openly contemptuous of everything and everyone "American?" Sure, the professors are worried. The way this country is going they have reason to be because at some point the American people are going to wake up and begin questioning the sacred cow of "higher education."

Desertdog
January 19, 2006, 11:41 PM
This was promised many years ago by the Communist Party.

How about the following actions?
1) Get control over the educational system. Modern day "Progressive" teachers/professors is an example.
2) Get control over the news media. ABC, NBC, CBS, MSNBC, CNN as examples.
3) Get control over lawmakers. Schumer, Feinstein, Boxer, Kennedy, and numerous others.
4) Get control of the entertainment industry. Have you seen the garbage being spewed out on TV and Movies lately.
5) Get judges in that believe in your cause and rule in cases they way that benifits your cause. It only takes 5 on the USSC. The 9th Appeals court is another example.
6) Do everything you can to disarm the civilian population. I know, this should have been first.

I am sure many, many other examples can be found especially if you consider the BOR and how it is being abused by "law makers."

EddieCoyle
January 20, 2006, 12:46 AM
The left tends to love the idea of diversity of thought....


Unless they disagree with it.

GTSteve03
January 20, 2006, 09:53 AM
The universities have had it their way for a long, long time. What percentage of faculty today is openly contemptuous of everything and everyone "American?" Sure, the professors are worried. The way this country is going they have reason to be because at some point the American people are going to wake up and begin questioning the sacred cow of "higher education."
You know, despite only graduating college a couple of years ago, I never really noticed a whole lot of liberal professors at my school. Granted, I started out in Computer Science and ended up in Business, but just about all of my professors never even mentioned politics. The only time it was even brought up was in *gasp* Political Science class! ;)

Then again, I did attend a more technically-oriented university and not a Liberal Arts type school. I wonder if that had anything to do with it...

Desertdog
January 20, 2006, 11:40 AM
but just about all of my professors never even mentioned politics.
Just the way it should be.

roo_ster
January 20, 2006, 11:46 AM
In other words, someone is paying students to spy on professors for political purposes. The University thinks this is an assault on academic freedom and independence and is acting accordingly. Be honest. The only thing that bothers you about it is that it's someone who shares your political agenda. If liberals were paying students to spy on conservatives with an eye towards getting them fired because of their opinions you would have a stroke.
The taxpayers pay the lion's share for the university. They really ought to know what they are getting for their money.

Same for a private university, as the students & their parents are the customers...and those customers can do as they please with the product they purchase.

If, in a biology class, some prof started going off about "free minds & free markets" or how women really ought to stay home and submit to their husbands instead of wasting their time getting educated, I would have no problem having the prof exposed.

hvengel
January 20, 2006, 11:33 PM
You know, despite only graduating college a couple of years ago, I never really noticed a whole lot of liberal professors at my school. Granted, I started out in Computer Science and ended up in Business, but just about all of my professors never even mentioned politics. The only time it was even brought up was in *gasp* Political Science class! ;)

Then again, I did attend a more technically-oriented university and not a Liberal Arts type school. I wonder if that had anything to do with it...


This is exactly the case. My experience is that those that are teaching subjects that involve the real world like the hard sciences (physics, chemistry, biology.. not the so called social sciences), math, engineering tend to be conservative and not talk politics in class at all. Even in schools with large numbers of left leaning liberal arts professors that push thier agenda in class the professors that teach math, science and engineering don't do this sort of thing. I would be willing to bet a large amount that none of the "more than 30" radical profs on the web site teachs one of these subjects.

CAnnoneer
January 20, 2006, 11:52 PM
+1 hvengel

It is a dangerous misconception that academia is leftist. It is not. Most professors in exact sciences are deeply conservative and would not discuss politics in class at all, ever. The big-mouth leftists are invariably the humanities profs, and some social science profs.

There is a strong correlation between the practical uselessness of one's specialty, and one's degree of communist/socialist/statist ideas.

The silent majority should not be misconstrued based on the efforts of the loud minority. Let's not throw away the baby with the bath water.

longeyes
January 21, 2006, 02:52 AM
You know, despite only graduating college a couple of years ago, I never really noticed a whole lot of liberal professors at my school. Granted, I started out in Computer Science and ended up in Business, but just about all of my professors never even mentioned politics. The only time it was even brought up was in *gasp* Political Science class!

The impact needs to be measured by the culture and, more specifically, the electorate. Wonder why half of America is socialist without knowing what the term means? The influence on the present and future opinion-makers of society is considerable.

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