Who has once fired, primed, .223 brass?


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Clark
January 19, 2006, 06:43 PM
I WOULD get it from scharch, but they are out for the next two months.

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redneck2
January 19, 2006, 07:17 PM
e-bay has tons of brass. Don't know about primed

Wild curosity. Why would you buy brass to reload and not prime it yourself?

Inquiring minds want to know

AFhack
January 19, 2006, 11:28 PM
Why would you buy brass to reload and not prime it yourself?

Inquiring minds want to know


While I've never ordered it myself, I think mail ordered primed brass bypasses some of the hazmat shipping fees of buying primers mail order.

Just my .02 worth

P0832177
January 20, 2006, 12:22 AM
Supposedly River Valley Ord. Works is back up and running. www.rvow.com Their website does not reflect this, but several posters say to call. The process your brass and reprime, or you can buy their brass primed.
Might be one other vendor, too? Think name starts with a S?

Clark
January 23, 2006, 01:04 AM
Someone at the gunshow just sold me 65 pounds of once fired .223 for $65.
[one case/ 97.5 gr] x [7000 gr/ #] x [65#] = 4,6666 cases.
$65/ 4,666 cases = 1.4 cents / case

Fired brass .001" run out
20 seconds; deprime, clean pocket primer, and clean neck w/steel wool
10 seconds; lube and resize with .245" bushing
5 seconds; prime
12 seconds; trim w/ Wilson trimmer
12 seconds; chamfer w/Wilson
15 seconds; charge and seat with Forster die
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74 seconds / round

74 seconds x 4,666 cases = 345,284 seconds = 5754 minutes = 95.9 hours = 2.4 work weeks.

Cost to hire an engineer: $75/ hour
95.4 hours = $7,155
The cost of new primed .223 brass $372.19/2000
Cost of 4,666 of 4,666 primed cases = [4666/2000] [$372.19] = $868/4,666 primed cases

It seems that processing the brass is going to save me 868 - 65 / 95.6 = $8.40/ hour

Maybe could load ammo while watching TV.

Matt-man
January 23, 2006, 02:26 AM
Might be one other vendor, too? Think name starts with a S?

Scharch? (http://www.scharch.com/)

ETA: Duh, that's what I get for reading too fast.

Owen
January 23, 2006, 03:57 AM
don't forget henry!


www.swartout.com

although I don't see any primed brass there.

Clark
January 23, 2006, 11:55 AM
I love Scharch, but their priming machine is down, and she says they are not fixing it until after the shot show in two months.

But in two months, I am going to leave to shoot thousands of ground squirells.

YellowLab
January 23, 2006, 01:22 PM
"20 seconds; deprime, clean pocket primer, and clean neck w/steel wool"

Who cares about cleaning the primer pocket? Who uses steel wool? Correct action: toss into tumbler w/walnut for about an hour or two, no interaction other than loading unloading:

Me:2min per 250 cases (handeling).
You: Over 82 min for 250 cases. (250*20)/60

10 seconds; lube and resize with .245" bushing
Spray lube (aersol/mister) 250 cases, let dry for approx 1 min.
Me: 1 minute of interaction
You: 41 minutes

prime
Me: Done on press, 3 seconds to pull handle
You: 20min 5 seconds

Trim/chamfer 250 cases
Me: 33 minutes 5 seconds with cutter in drill, 3 sec/chamfer
You: 100 minutes 24(?!?) seconds to trim/chamfer

charge and seat with Forster die
Me: 12min done in press, maybe 3 seconds to pull handle
You: 62min 15 seconds; charge and seat with Forster die

For 250 rounds:
You 305 minutes with whatever slow process you are using.
Me 48 minutes with a progressive press and eliminating obviously unneeded steps, and automating the process.

I generally can rip off 4-500 rounds but you decided the need to trim/chamfer each case. I will use a case gauge and only trim the ones that are over length. Thats maybe 1 in 10 on a bad day.

Clark
January 24, 2006, 02:03 AM
YellowLab,
Thank you for that post.
It was a wake up call for me.
I was trimming to 1.750", becuase of what a load book said.
Now that I read your post and read the SAAMI specs on the chamber, I see the chamber minimum is 1.772".
Andy you are right, 9 of 10 are about 1.760", and should not need trimming.
Clark

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