[Powderman]

Well, I was looking (still am) for a good bolt action rifle to replace my M1A for a precision rifle. It's not that I don't like that M1A, far from it. But it is a pristine pre-ban National Match rifle, and I'd like to save it some wear and tear.

So, I take a look at my favorites, Winchester M70's and their variants. I see immediately that: (1) finding a Winchester Stealth is almost impossible; (2) the FN SPR's are WAY overpriced, and (3) Winchester is about to get out of the rifle business.

So, I then take a look at the Remington line. Looks promising (the PSS, that is), but still costly.

Also, I want a barrel with a 1-10 twist; both Remington and Winchester offer the 1-12 barrel.

After a bit of reflection, I thought finally about the Savage LE rifles.

So, I check out the website, and see:

26" heavy barrel;
Choate/HS Precision/McMillan stock (your choice)
1-10 barrel
Adjustable trigger

at VERY reasonable prices.

So--tell me about your Savage rifles.

Accurate? Dependable? Durable? How well does it shoot with out of the box ammo (Especially the 168 gr. GM Match)?

Any and all info is welcome. Thanks!
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[ocabj]

http://www.ocabj.net/photos/firearms_personal/10fp_01l.jpg

That's an old picture of mine. It's dressed up a little more now (SSS bolt handle, Tactical Intervention sling, Eagle stock pack, TPS rings).

Shoots great with 168s or 175s. I shoot all handloads. Lapua brass, CCI BR2 primers, 168 or 175 gr Sierra Match Kings, and Varget. Right now I'm pushing the 175s at 2775 fps out of the 26" factory barrel, which is a bit fast, but it holds it's own between 100 and 600 yards (only distances I can test at).

Savages are great rifles. Barrel nut system and bolt design make barrel/caliber changes simple. The Accutrigger is a fine design. Some people don't like it. Even if you don't fall in love with it, most people get used to it (or swap out for a traditional trigger).

The above pictured rifle has about 1800 rounds through the factory barrel. Still shoots as good as it did when I first bought it.

Thumbs up for the Savage.

[rero360]

I like my Savage, I have the model 11 in .308, the hunter package, came with a scope. the stock on it is pretty cheap, one issue you wouldn't have to deal with the one your looking at, with the set up I have right now, I'm shooting 1 inch at 25 meters, the farthest I've been able to shoot it, but I know with a new stock, and glass and i do my part I should be looking at at least 1moa when I get to shoot at longer distances.

as far as ammo, I fed it remington, both new and some really old, on the verge of being no good and some mil surplus, and haven't had any issues with reliability or accuracy, all shoot right about the same, as far as i can tell so far.

from what I've heard from others with the police model have always been extremely positive.

[Preacherman]

Savage rifles are probably the most accurate US-manufactured rifles, out of the box, available today - and they're also good value for money. I have one, and have had a couple more that I disposed of as part of caliber consolidation. Good guns!

[dakotasin]

i do not like savages at all... yes, they are accurate. no, they are not dependable, nor are they reliable.

if you shoot alot, you are bound to have troubles. if you are an infrequent shooter, they are probably the best bang for the buck.

if you are serious about a winchester stealth, the mitchell, sd cabela's has 2 on the rack right now. if you want a phone number, let me know.

[ocabj]

i do not like savages at all... yes, they are accurate. no, they are not dependable, nor are they reliable.

if you shoot alot, you are bound to have troubles. if you are an infrequent shooter, they are probably the best bang for the buck.

if you are serious about a winchester stealth, the mitchell, sd cabela's has 2 on the rack right now. if you want a phone number, let me know.

I'm interested to know what you base the statement that Savages are not dependable or reliable.

I have not seen any reliability issues with Savage rifles on any of the boards.

What exactly is not dependable or reliable?

[dakotasin]

What exactly is not dependable or reliable?



the bolt.
the feeding.
the firing pin.

edit: i base it upon my experience w/ savages.
i'm not wanting a pissing match... the guy asked for opinions on savages, i gave him mine based upon my experience w/ the ones i have and the ones i let go.

[pete f]

My savage in 22 250 has close to 7000 rounds thru it, I try to get an accurate count on shot's but sometimes loose track. I do not load it hot and I do not shoot it till the barrel glows, and the last time i scoped the barrel i was starting to get some erosion, but certainly not enough to warrant setting the barrel back or looking at a replacement. I have had not one issue with that rifle. not one.

my 308 110 fp has about a 1000 rounds thru it and it to has not had a lick of problem.

i condsider them to be the best value in shooting today. bar none.

[Farnham]

I dig mine.

S/F

Farnham

[Ash]

I've two Savages, once owned the FP Tactical that was amazingly accurate with PMP ammo, of all things, and a Stevens. In my personal experience, I have never had a problem with feeding, extracting, or ejecting rounds. But that is my experience, though I prefer the Mossberg 810, personally.

Ash

[cslinger]

I am too curious as to what problems you have seen with Savage rifles. I have never seen any kind of major malfunction with any of the big bolt rifles and have only heard of major malfunctions with the Remingtons. (Safety and bolt handles).

My Savage is a way better shooter then it has any right to be. It is pre accutrigger and still will put surplus military .308 into under 1 inch groups at 100 yards all day long if I do my part. The best group I have ever gotten with any rifle in my life is with this Savage and was right around .25 of an inch at 100 yards with Federal Premium 168 grain. I love my Savage. Wish I had the accu trigger but cannot complain about what I have.


http://www.myfishingpictures.com/img/062158-big.jpg

[Darkker]

He is pissed that something simple happend to break on 1 gun. He didn't unscrew the back of the bolt, take it apart and fix it. He sent it to the gunsmith who did just that, and charged him $75.:banghead:

In all reality I haven't seen a problem on anything manufactured since the latter part of the 70's.

[Nematocyst]

Powderman, sir...

Good to hear from you again.

I first benefitted from your posts over in shotguns,
around the concept of 'aim a rifle, point a shotgun'.

And with Preacherman and a few other familiar names in here,
I'd say this thread is a fine place to read on a Friday night.

Pleased to be amongst you.

All's the more cause I'm looking VERY closely at a Savage 16FHSS (http://www.savagearms.com/16fhss.htm) in either .308 or (more likely) 7mm08.

I'm reading with interest.

Thanks in advance for opinions.

Nem

[nipprdog]

I'm very happy with my trouble-free 308 savage

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v605/nippr/mine/DSCN2048crw3.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v605/nippr/308bed2.jpg

I was so happy with it it, it lead to my trouble-free223 Savage

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v605/nippr/mine/DSCN2280cr1w.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v605/nippr/tgt223.jpg

I was so happy with them, it lead to my trouble-free .17 Savage

:D :D

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v605/nippr/DSCN1919crw.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v605/nippr/DSCN2455w.jpg

[Nematocyst]

5 rnds inside of 7/16" @ 100 yds.

Hey, not bad. :cool:

< What I really did instead of staying cool while I examined your photos >

:what:

Moving ever closer to one of those Savage rifles....

[Gun Geezer]

I'm very happy with my trouble-free 308 savage

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v605/nippr/mine/DSCN2048crw3.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v605/nippr/308bed2.jpg

I was so happy with it it, it lead to my trouble-free223 Savage

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v605/nippr/mine/DSCN2280cr1w.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v605/nippr/tgt223.jpg

I was so happy with them, it lead to my trouble-free .17 Savage

:D :D

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v605/nippr/DSCN1919crw.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v605/nippr/DSCN2455w.jpg

I have the dreaded 56K modem and the Savage catalog download is 11MB (Ugh?).

Three Questions in order of priority:
1. What model is that stubby barreled .308 tack driver?
2. What scope is on that awsome hole punching machine?
3. How much did the rifle cost?

I just gots to know, ya know?

[dakotasin]

He is pissed that something simple happend to break on 1 gun. He didn't unscrew the back of the bolt, take it apart and fix it. He sent it to the gunsmith who did just that, and charged him $75.:banghead:



yeah, that must be it. :rolleyes:
heaven forbid somebody have an opinion that differs from yours because you must be right.
1 gun? ok...

i stand by my remarks.
and no... i don't send a gun to a 'smith unless it is being re-barelled or ground-up built. otherwise i do it all myself.

[Lobotomy Boy]

My dad had a Savage bolt action break on him about 15 years ago and my son had his break 4-5 years ago, but considering all the deer I've seen shot with Savage bolt actions without trouble, I would not hesitate to buy one becaused of reliability concerns.

When buying a new deer rifle a couple of years ago I narrowed my choice to a Savage or a Tikka. I went with a Tikka T3 Lightweight because it was about $100 cheaper and I'm extremely happy with my choice. In fact, it is my favorite gun of all the guns I've owned over the past 35 years. But I believe I would have been just as happy with a Savage.

[Nematocyst]

My dad had a Savage bolt action break on him about 15 years ago and my son had his break 4-5 years ago, but considering all the deer I've seen shot with Savage bolt actions without trouble, I would not hesitate to buy one becaused of reliability concerns. LB, would you mind sharing with us what broke on those guns? And was the issue taken care of by Savage, either on those specific guns, or has the issue been addressed in their design?

When buying a new deer rifle a couple of years ago I narrowed my choice to a Savage or a Tikka. I went with a Tikka T3 Lightweight because it was about $100 cheaper and I'm extremely happy with my choice. In fact, it is my favorite gun of all the guns I've owned over the past 35 years. But I believe I would have been just as happy with a Savage. Tikka T3 has been on my list, and still is to some extent, but has moved down on the list recently because of some negative things I've read about them in other THR threads relating to breaking ... or blowing up (which was it?). And it wasn't just one instance by one disgruntled owner, but several.

(I can't remember which thread exactly right now, but I'll see if I can dig it up and post it here.)

In any case, when I read of those instances, my interest shifted over to Savage and Remington (700 SPS).

Any comments on the Tikka issue, anyone?

Nem

[NMshooter]

Savage 10FP .308 factory 20" heavy barrel.

Will do .5 MOA if I do my part.

Shot a few bolt guns, only one I like more is the SSG-69, and good luck finding one...

[cbsbyte]

I had a .308 12BVSS with accu-trigger for about a year. It was a very accurate rifle, well made gun for the price. There were a couble of machining errors made on the barrel, but they where only cosemetic. I sold it, since at 200 yrds it took no real effort to place the rounds repeatably into the x. I had no time to go to other ranges with greater distances.

[Schleprok62]

Have you looked at the Ruger 77's? If memory serves, they carry the 1-10 rifling, are fair priced, and well built. I'm also looking at the Savage and Stevens.


:cool:

[MCgunner]

Savage is a great deal in a rifle. The reason it is a great deal is the design is compatible with cost effective manufacturing. For instance, that butt fugly barrel nut saves 'em the machining it takes to properly head space a screwed in barrel, saves time and time = money. Ditto the multi piece bolt design, requires less machining. The cost savings is in the price. The design does not compromise function in any way.

I have a 110 long action in 7mm magnum. I bought it for hunting out west, for some reason thought I needed more gun. Well, I guess I really did cause I was thinking I'd do some elk hunting, but that never happened. Anyway, I worked on loads for it and the 150 grain Sierra BTSP Game King seemed to be the only bullet that'd work. I wanted a better penetrating bullet, something in the 162 grain weight. I tried several different powders with several different bullets and it didn't seem to want to shoot them. Finally a guy at the range gave me some 160 grain factory Federal Premium loads using the Nosler Partition bullet. Now, those things went into 1 MOA!. I haven't tried hand loading the Nosler bullet, just figured if I ever do get to go for elk, I'll buy me up some Federal Premium and do it. You can't, or at least I haven't been able to improve on factory ammo in this caliber by handloading. The factory stuff is pretty danged good! I don't shoot enough of it to worry about cost and when I do I can shoot the 150 grain load. I'll sight in with the 160s if and when a hunt ever comes up that I think I wanna use 'em.

So, what do I think about the rifle? First thing I did was put a polymer stock on it. That free floated the barrel and it shot more consistent. But, the gun is very bullet specific. Don't know if it's the caliber or the gun, but if it likes the bullet, it's GREAT, talking MOA. If it don't, it looks more like a shotgun pattern than a group.:rolleyes: But, I've shot enough game with it, one mulie the far side of 350 yards across a canyon, to know it shoots great with a bullet it likes. It's a keeper because I've found a couple of bullets it likes. It's rugged and accurate and a great hunting rifle. I don't think a target shooter would be too happy with the trigger. While it is adjustable and quite easily adjustable by the owner who has any mechanical skills at all (all parts of the trigger group are easy to see and it's easy to tell how the thing functions and which screws do what on the adjustment), I was only able to adjust mine down to about 3 lbs and have it function. Now, that's where I wanted it, 3 lbs. For a hunting rifle, you don't want the trigger too light, especially since hunting season and in the mountains to boot, you'll likely be wearing gloves. You need to have some feel of the sear through the neoprene gloves and such. There are triggers made for the Savage if it's not good enough for your tastes, but the Remington trigger is a much finer instrument for getting down into the ounces. Even so, most of the Remington bench rest guys go for an after market trigger.

The action isn't the smoothest in the world. Up against my Remingtons, it feels like it's running on sand paper. But, it works. I don't top off the magazine, too. It doesn't seem to like to feed off the first round smoothly if I try that. I just load the mag full, work the bolt and I have a three round hunting rifle (three round magazine in magnum calibers). That's plenty for my purposes.

The finish on the gun is a bit then, talking the bluing. The fit is fine, nothing to write home about. Gun is kind of ugly anyway with that barrel nut, so why would I worry much about fit if it doesn't effect function. There is absolutely nothing wrong with the function of the gun.

I was after the price when I bought the gun. I would have rather had it in stainless, then the thin bluing wouldn't matter, but hey, I only gave around 200 whole sale for it. This was 15 or so years ago.

Anyway, I cannot knock the gun for function. In that long action caliber, it's a little hefty, but that's a good thing when you pull the trigger on a belted magnum round. I gotta say I prefer my two Remingtons as rifles to the Savage to be honest. But, the Savage is a plenty fine shooter!

[Nematocyst]

I gotta say I prefer my two Remingtons as rifles to the Savage to be honest. But, the Savage is a plenty fine shooter! McG, nicely written and informative for a laid back Saturday afternoon read. Thanks. Although I'm not considering a 7mm mag (or a mag anything :eek: ), there was still a lot of useful info there for me.

One question about your Remingtons (via PM if you'd prefer, since the thread is about Savages, even though you'd be comparing them with the Savages): which ones do you have?

And other than their finer trigger adjustment capabilities that you mentioned, what about them do you like better that the Savage? ... if that's even describable objectively. (If it's just one of those "cause it feels better" things, that's fine too. ;) )

Thanks,

Nem

[MCgunner]

I've got a little Model 7 in .308 Winchester and an old M722 short action that belonged to my grandpa and has killed a LOT of game. That one's in .257 Roberts.

What I like about the Remingtons is fit and finish and greater inherent accuracy with more variety of possible loads. IOW, they're less picky about what you feed 'em. The Savage, if it doesn't seem to like the bullet, spreads the group all over the paper. A bullet it likes, it's a tack driver. The Remingtons might not like a certain bullet, but it might be a 2.5 moa group at the worst, not 6 or 8. :rolleyes: That doesn't really matter that much to me, though, because I'm going to be handloading for any hunting rifle I use and I tailor the load for accuracy, of course.

The other thing I like about Remingtons, the fit and finish, is obvious when you pick one up after handling the Savage. The bolts, especially on that M722, slide back like they're on ball bearings. The bolt on that Savage is gritty as all get out. Now, for a hunting rifle, who cares? The first shot is the important one. But, when you sit there and handle, especially the M722, you're amazed at the quality of workmanship. You can open the bolt and slightly tilt the gun to the rear, and the bolt will just glide back from gravity. You gotta get that Savage near vertical to fall. LOL The M7 is newer than the M722 and slightly more stiction in the bolt, but mighty smooth, too.

It's just the little things. The Remingtons, too, are prettier, if that matters. Nothing ugly about the Savage except that danged barrel nut. :D But, would I buy another one in a caliber I really wanted? Danged tootin'! Why? Because I know the accuracy they're capable of! And, the fact that my Savage is more load specific is only reflective of ONE gun in ONE caliber. I've found that .308, IMHO, is a more inherently accurate cartridge than most. Stands to reason that M7 would shoot about anything.

I wouldn't buy a Savage for looks or aesthetic reasons, but for pure function for the dollar investment. They offer more for the money IMHO than almost any quality bolt gun built.

[nipprdog]

I have the dreaded 56K modem and the Savage catalog download is 11MB (Ugh?).

Three Questions in order of priority:
1. What model is that stubby barreled .308 tack driver?
2. What scope is on that awsome hole punching machine?
3. How much did the rifle cost?

I just gots to know, ya know?

1. 10FPLE1, 20". Savage has since changed model numbers. the 20" is now available as a 10FP.

2. just a Simmons Aetec 2.8x10x44.

3. a little under $500 for the rifle. $90 for the Duramaxx stock.

welcome to page 2.

[Lobotomy Boy]

LB, would you mind sharing with us what broke on those guns? And was the issue taken care of by Savage, either on those specific guns, or has the issue been addressed in their design?

I hope to speak with both my son and father before the weekend is over. I'll get details. In the case of my dad's gun, I never gave it much thought since he'd had the gun for 10 years, had shot a couple of dozen deer with it, and doesn't take all that good care of his guns, generally. In my son's case, it was a well-worn hand-me-down from his biological father (I'm his step-dad), and I only heard about it from his brother after deer season (the kids deer hunt with their dad in a different state and not with me).

Tikka T3 has been on my list, and still is to some extent, but has moved down on the list recently because of some negative things I've read about them in other THR threads relating to breaking ... or blowing up (which was it?). And it wasn't just one instance by one disgruntled owner, but several.

In 2004 Tikka and Sako got a bad batch of stainless-steel barrels and it was an ugly mess. Beretta made good on all the repairs and replacements, though the new barrels weren't ready in time for the 2004 deer season. Needless to say, many customers weren't very happy. The problem has since been rectified. Personally I still wouldn't want a stainless hunting rifle (why would you want a gun that might have to double as a sniper rifle in a SHTF scenario to be shiny?) so it wasn't an issue for me. The blued guns were perfectly fine.

[MCgunner]

(why would you want a gun that might have to double as a sniper rifle in a SHTF scenario to be shiny?) so it wasn't an issue for me. The blued guns were perfectly fine.

Because I got my stainless rifle for HUNTING, rain, shine, salt air environment, whatever, not to go to war with.:rolleyes: If I was in the army, I'd be a little miffed if I got issued a M7 Remington. :rolleyes: Besides, if Osama scares you that much, or the reds, or whom ever, just buy a roll of camo tape. I've used it on shotguns to hunt turkey before I got my camo model. Only thing I don't like about the tape is it can cause rust down here in this salty air. You have to keep blued guns oiled and tape attacts water, not oil. Or, here's a novel thought, you could stash an FN-FAL for your SHTF scenario and just buy your hunting rifle for hunting.

[Lobotomy Boy]

I'm happy for you, McGunner. Thank you for enlightening me.

[MCgunner]

Ah, sorry about the sharp retort. Way too snappy of me. Seriously on the stainless issue, it requires less care on a long hunting trip. I do a lot of weird stuff like three day hunts by boat in a salt environment. That's why I wanted it.

[Lobotomy Boy]

I plan on getting a Marlin 45-70 in stainless because it will be with me when I go fishing in Montana and hopefully Alaska.

As for the having multiple guns, I do, but the gun I'm most proficient with is my deer rifle, and it's the gun I'd want with me if my life depended on it. I know what the gun is capable of doing and I know exactly what I can do with it.

[Gun_nut]

heres my first rifle its a savage model 340a 30-30 ;) with classic buckhorn sights

[dakotasin]

Tikka T3 has been on my list, and still is to some extent, but has moved down on the list recently because of some negative things I've read about them in other THR threads relating to breaking ... or blowing up (which was it?). And it wasn't just one instance by one disgruntled owner, but several.


Any comments on the Tikka issue, anyone?



it was blowing up.

tikka/sako got ahold of some bad steel, and used it. they had a recall and fixed the problem.

i'm no fan of the new tikkas w/ all their plastic (shroud, mag, etc), but the older whitetail series are fine rifles, and sako has always had a good rep.

[rero360]

I've got a little Model 7 in .308 Winchester and an old M722 short action that belonged to my grandpa and has killed a LOT of game. That one's in .257 Roberts.

What I like about the Remingtons is fit and finish and greater inherent accuracy with more variety of possible loads. IOW, they're less picky about what you feed 'em. The Savage, if it doesn't seem to like the bullet, spreads the group all over the paper. A bullet it likes, it's a tack driver. The Remingtons might not like a certain bullet, but it might be a 2.5 moa group at the worst, not 6 or 8. :rolleyes: That doesn't really matter that much to me, though, because I'm going to be handloading for any hunting rifle I use and I tailor the load for accuracy, of course.

The other thing I like about Remingtons, the fit and finish, is obvious when you pick one up after handling the Savage. The bolts, especially on that M722, slide back like they're on ball bearings. The bolt on that Savage is gritty as all get out. Now, for a hunting rifle, who cares? The first shot is the important one. But, when you sit there and handle, especially the M722, you're amazed at the quality of workmanship. You can open the bolt and slightly tilt the gun to the rear, and the bolt will just glide back from gravity. You gotta get that Savage near vertical to fall. LOL The M7 is newer than the M722 and slightly more stiction in the bolt, but mighty smooth, too.

It's just the little things. The Remingtons, too, are prettier, if that matters. Nothing ugly about the Savage except that danged barrel nut. :D But, would I buy another one in a caliber I really wanted? Danged tootin'! Why? Because I know the accuracy they're capable of! And, the fact that my Savage is more load specific is only reflective of ONE gun in ONE caliber. I've found that .308, IMHO, is a more inherently accurate cartridge than most. Stands to reason that M7 would shoot about anything.

I wouldn't buy a Savage for looks or aesthetic reasons, but for pure function for the dollar investment. They offer more for the money IMHO than almost any quality bolt gun built.


I know exactly what you mean, a friend of mine has a tikka, or sako, not sure, and the action is like butter, but my savage feels like its full of sand. is there a way to smooth it up, perhaps with some emery cloth to the rails or something along those lines? thanks for any input.

[Sergeant Sabre]

I know exactly what you mean, a friend of mine has a tikka, or sako, not sure, and the action is like butter, but my savage feels like its full of sand. is there a way to smooth it up, perhaps with some emery cloth to the rails or something along those lines? thanks for any input.


Sharpshooter's Supply (www.sharpshootersupply.com) offers a gunsmithing service to slick-up Savage actions. The cost is $75 and I am told the results are incredible.

[el44vaquero]

Good rifles, owned several, would own them again.

[swingset]

I have a Savage 12 in .223, and an older 110 in .308.

Both are VERY reliable and accurate, never a problem and I shoot them often and rely on them.

Seeing as 15 minutes, with just simple tools you can completely rebarrel and change calibers, I think the modern Savage line is the most overlooked bolt action on the market. Nothing else is so much, for so little $$.

[adaman04]

Savage rifles rock! nipprdog is the part of the reason I bought my 10FP. Between the looks of his rifles and his targets, its hard to resist trying to compete with that. :D I already had the 93R17-GV and love it, but the 10FP is my rifle I want to try and get some good groups out of.

[rangerruck]

savage makes a mod 12 i think that has accutrigger fluted bbl. 26 incher, very accurate!

[Richardson]

I just put my hands on a Savage 10FP at a pawn shop. It's a .308 with a HEAVY barrell, but it does NOT have the accutrigger. Everything looks fine, except for wear on the bolt (where the rear receiver ring contacts the bolt it's worn off the black). The barrel is dirty (even has cobwebs in it), but looks like it could be cleaned up OK.

He's asking $285.

What should I look for?

Richardson

[Schleprok62]

Stevens Model 200 locally, new for about $285 plus tax. From what I've heard it's basicly a Savage 110 without the accutrigger...


:scrutiny:

[Any Cal.]

I ordered the 116 stainless without the Accu-trigger last year. It cost me 80 less, and I figured I would buy an aftermarket trigger if I wanted it. Nothing wrong with the stock trigger, but not nearly as nice as a Timney.

[Gunz]

I bought 2 savage rifles from gander Mountain when they had their clearance last year.

I think the model was 112 or something. Both were the long action, plain blue with iron sights, and the very light (and apparently unpopular) maple-coloured stocks. Non-Accutrigger.

The calibers were 30-06 and 300WM. Both shoot wonderfully.

Each gun was marked down to $300, and there was a 10% sale, so it was $300 OTD with taxes and ammo.

I like the action on the Savages. I like accurate, inexpensive, solid quality rifles where I would not feel badly if I dinged the stocks or scratch the blueing on a hike through the woods. Heaven forbid I lose the thing in a ravine or something, but even then, I would not lose a high dollar rifle. Still, I like the way the rifle looks with that light maple stock. The dark stocks are all generic. Granted, the synthetics are lighter, tougher, and less likely to affect the barrel with expansion and contraction in cold weather.