Kansas CCW legislation announced!


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Devon
January 21, 2006, 12:59 PM
Kansas is going to try again, however the Governess is sure to veto the measure again.





http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2006/jan/21/concealed_guns_issue_revived/?state_regional

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Robert J McElwain
January 21, 2006, 01:25 PM
Kansas is going to try again, however the Governess is sure to veto the measure again.





http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2006/jan/21/concealed_guns_issue_revived/?state_regional

About time. Let's hope, this time, there are enough votes to override. That means the RINOs from here in Johnson County and those around Lawrence will have to be pushed hard to get with the program. Kansas already is a laughing stock over our Board of Education. I hope we're not the last State in the nation to pass CCW, but it's going to be close.

Bob

xd45gaper
January 21, 2006, 01:34 PM
what are the Kansan people saying about this??

being from KS and I could see alot of people thinking this is a bad idea. (i hope they do pass it because i would like to carry when i go home lol)

insidious_calm
January 21, 2006, 01:39 PM
Watch the topeka CJ. If I get enough cash rounded up, we have a special ad planned for the governess. If she vetoes this again we'll have enough leverage to overide it this time. Non stop campaigning, calling talk shows, and twisting arms is slowly paying off. Tell everyone you know to call their senators and representatives. Call them often, hell call every week. Push push push! We can win it this time.


I.C.

english kanigit
January 21, 2006, 03:22 PM
Alrighty! Lets punch it through...











Somebody please smack the governess and send her back to ohio while we're at it.

Robert J McElwain
January 21, 2006, 04:26 PM
Alrighty! Lets punch it through...

Somebody please smack the governess and send her back to ohio while we're at it.

It's not all her fault. There are a lot of so-called Republicans that had to be on her side to sustain her veto. Also, her Republican predecessor did the same damn thing.

Too many Kansans automatically vote Republican without looking to see what that individual candidate stands for. As a consequence, we get a lot of RINOs. We also get a lot of one issue politicians who are only there to fight alcohol consumption or abortion or the school system and beyond that, they're clueless.

I'd prefer an intelligent thinking Libertarian than a brain-dead Republican or Democrat.

Bob

xd45gaper
January 21, 2006, 04:45 PM
any one ever read "whats the matter with Kansas?" its a good read about the political mess in KS

insidious_calm
January 21, 2006, 06:05 PM
Well to be honest, the problem in Kansas is two-fold, stupidity and laziness. Take the last governors race. A lot of republicans had to vote for her to reach the results we got. That's just plain stupid. Tim Shallenburger was painted to be some hardcore right winger, when in fact it's not true. Socially he was conservative, but fiscally he was a moderate. He had a voting record to prove that. Too many lazy and stupid Kansans believed the demcratic tripe about him. He co-wrote and co-sponsored the first CCW attempt. Had he been elected we would have CCW now.

Those of you who voted for Kathleen "blanco" Sebelius on the other hand deserve exactly what you are getting. She is a socialist. She has no leadership skills, and the only time anything ever gets accomplished is by the vote of some group of schmucks appointed to some committee by her, because she didn't have the courage to actually take a leadership role in anything. She has been a horrible governor for us. Jobs are basically stagnant, while in other states they are growing. Eminent domain abuse runs rampantly unchecked, and she doesn't have the courage to put the state supremes in check on education.

To make matters worse, my representative has withdrawn from the governors race and will be retiring. I don't have to call Doug Mays to tell him how I want him to vote, I call him to say keep up the good work. Which brings up the laziness thing again. If half of the people I talk to actually called their reps as much as they say we wouldn't be having this discusiion now. Oh, and for the record the sponsor of the last CCW attempt, Candy Ruff, is a democrat, and the wife of a LEO. This is a people problem, specifically laziness and stupidity.


I.C.

Monkeyleg
January 21, 2006, 08:11 PM
How organized are the supporters of the bill? How involved is the NRA?

I'd suggest you contact the folks at MN CCRN and ask for ideas. They mounted a very effective campaign, and they've been a lot of help to those of us in WI who've been fighting for CCW.

english kanigit
January 21, 2006, 11:18 PM
Too many Kansans automatically vote Republican without looking to see what that individual candidate stands for.


Easy buddy. I was still in high school... too young and too stupid to know anything at the time. :rolleyes: (plus I wasn't 18 at the yet)



As far as the ignorant, one-issue voters you're right on the money. :uhoh:

Robert J McElwain
January 22, 2006, 04:46 PM
How organized are the supporters of the bill? How involved is the NRA?

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The CCW people in Kansas are about as organized as the Republican party is here. And that's bad. In this State, the only issues that the Republicans seem to be interested in are abortion, Intelligent Design and screwing up the education system.

I've talked to the NRA and they may be willing to get on it. After all, there are only a handful of States left to do battle in. They've won all the rest.

Bob

Zundfolge
January 22, 2006, 06:42 PM
any one ever read "whats the matter with Kansas?" its a good read about the political mess in KS

The thesis of which was "Kansas is not liberal enough!" :scrutiny:



Good luck Kansas ... don't expect you'll get it (and even if you do I'm not moving back :p ).

Robert J McElwain
January 22, 2006, 09:55 PM
The thesis of which was "Kansas is not liberal enough!" :scrutiny:

Good luck Kansas ... don't expect you'll get it (and even if you do I'm not moving back :p ).

The problem is that Kansas is polarized. We've got extreme liberals that make Berkley look like Genghis Khan territory. And we've got Conservatives that could shame the Ayatollahs. And most of us in the middle have no voice.:banghead:

But there are some stubborn types, like me, that want to stay and fix it. God help us.:what:

Bob

No_Brakes23
January 22, 2006, 10:06 PM
Good luck, Kansas. I might have to drive across your state someday.

Stevie-Ray
January 22, 2006, 10:29 PM
Good luck Kansas! We're pulling for you. Your govern-miss should talk to our govern-miss. She vowed to do anything and everything to stop our legislation from becoming law. She was AG at the time. Now that it it has been law for a while and she is top dawg, she says she's glad she was unable to block it, as our crime stats have taken a dive, and we did not become another 1800s Tombstone. Well, duh. Seems to happen everywhere. Funny huh?:uhoh:

raydoctor
January 22, 2006, 10:38 PM
The CCW folks over here in MO are pulling for KS. I get sick and tired of unloading my truck, pockets, and holsters for the rare occasion I have to go to Cabelas. Last time I checked, KS didn't even have a peacable journey provision on the books:rolleyes:

Robert J McElwain
January 22, 2006, 10:49 PM
Good luck Kansas! We're pulling for you. Your govern-miss should talk to our govern-miss. She vowed to do anything and everything to stop our legislation from becoming law. She was AG at the time. Now that it it has been law for a while and she is top dawg, she says she's glad she was unable to block it, as our crime stats have taken a dive, and we did not become another 1800s Tombstone. Well, duh. Seems to happen everywhere. Funny huh?:uhoh:

A funny? thing seems to be happening. As you all know, Missouri recently passed CCW. And, it seems, that in the last several months the level of violent gun crimes right across the State line, here in Kansas, is going up. The BGs are driving over to where it's safer to do their thing. I'm assuming that some of our bleeding heart politicians are seeing this as well and may get the hint. I'm sure my neighbors are aware of it.

I suspect some people who, a year or two ago, thought self defense meant calling 911 are beginning to have new thoughts. I know I'm getting asked more gun questions in the last couple of months than I've had in the last 5 years.

Bob

SomeKid
January 22, 2006, 10:50 PM
Does it have reciprocity/recognition provisions?

Helmetcase
January 22, 2006, 10:55 PM
My question is whether the CCW tsunami sweeping the nation will make this a broader issue, and help us in other states? My gut is that it will, and having the discussion in KS helps us stuck here in MD.

lowracer
January 22, 2006, 11:31 PM
My Fellow Kansans,

Call or Write your Legislators and let them know you want them to support this legislation.

This website will tell you who your legislators are, if you don't know already:

http://www.ku.edu/pri/ksdata/vote/

Please Do it Today.

Zundfolge
January 22, 2006, 11:34 PM
Anyone got a link to the actual bill?

I'd love to read it ... I felt real good for Nebraska and their recent possible victory until I read the actual bill (for chrissake you can't CCW to the bank? Whats the point of being able to CCW everywhere except to where you'll be carrying large amounts of cash!? That and the asinine "no carry in bars and/or restaurants that serve alcohol" crap.).

ezypikns
January 22, 2006, 11:52 PM
that anyone (especially someone claiming to be a Republican) still opposes concealed carry by law abiding responsible citizens. After 10 or so years of CCW licensing all over the country, and none of the predicted bloodshed, plus lower crime rates, it's time for everyone to admit it's a sound idea.
Good luck Kansas!


I Thank the Lord I live in Texas.

LAR-15
January 23, 2006, 02:10 AM
So which bill is better- Nebraska's or Kansas?

taz-2005
January 23, 2006, 02:48 AM
Sebelius spokeswoman Nicole Corcoran said the governor hasnít changed her position, which is to allow only retired law enforcement officers to carry a concealed gun

I'm so sick of this position. Only the Uber-Class of LEO's and Former LEo's are qualified to to carry.

Kamicosmos
January 23, 2006, 02:55 AM
Good luck KS! I, too, am tired of having to avoid the state, or leave my gun at home to visit friends and Cabela's.

I think they have a site www.kansascarry.com, sistersite to missouricarry.com

At mo carry, there is a link to the actual bill. It's not a great bill, but you gotta start somewhere. I'm pretty sure that it does have Full Recipriocity though, just like MO has. So that's good at least. I didn't read the bill, so I don't know anything about age, training requirements, etc.

LAR-15
January 23, 2006, 02:58 AM
Sebelius spokeswoman Nicole Corcoran said the governor hasnít changed her position, which is to allow only retired law enforcement officers to carry a concealed gun

I'm so sick of this position. Only the Uber-Class of LEO's and Former LEo's are qualified to to carry.

She's only doing that because the Feds have said retired LEOs can carry regardless of state laws.

It really means nothing

lowracer
January 23, 2006, 11:00 AM
I think they have a site www.kansascarry.com, sistersite to missouricarry.com

Correction on that URL:

http://www.ksconcealedcarry.com/

tulsamal
January 23, 2006, 12:06 PM
The CCW folks over here in MO are pulling for KS. I get sick and tired of unloading my truck, pockets, and holsters for the rare occasion I have to go to Cabelas. Last time I checked, KS didn't even have a peacable journey provision on the books

Amen! I live in the very NE corner of Oklahoma and I end up in Kansas, Missouri, and Arkansas quite often. And it always annoys the crap out of me as I unload my revolver driving across the state line into Kansas. I would love to see Kansas finally get with the program. I thought they would be before Colorado (another state I end up visiting) but even Colorado has CCW now!

Gregg

Zundfolge
January 23, 2006, 12:51 PM
Here we go ... here's the bill

http://www.kslegislature.org/bills/2006/418.pdf


Reading it now ... looks like it will have automatic 100% reciprocity according to page 2 lines 2-4 and is clearly "shall issue".

I'll have to finish reading it before making any more comments but its starting out nice.

edit
Looks pretty good .. page 7 outlines where you can't carry and its not as bad as Nebraska's restrictions ... no bar carry but doesn't mention restaurants that serve alcohol. And it doesn't say you can't carry to the bank for chrissake!

wmenorr67
January 23, 2006, 02:47 PM
Love to see it happen. But even if it does, I'm not moving back.

texascarl
January 23, 2006, 09:52 PM
Love to see it happen. But even if it does, I'm not moving back.

That's OK, more for us. We already set up a gym in your old room anyway.

Kansas could get really crowded once we get CCW, everyone fed up with mountains and oceans is likely to move here to escape the constant stimulation. Plus, you know, tornado chasing. Big league tornado chasing.

But seriously, I stayed up til Midnight writing to my Kansas congresscritters. Not that I'll change anyone's mind, but I had my say.

mordechaianiliewicz
January 23, 2006, 10:24 PM
While i live in a part of kansas city which is full of limousine liberals (that special kind of liberal for whom stupidity is the essence of life), atleast mo now has ccw (all we need now is to get rid of our "permit to purhcase" a legacy of antebellum mo, and a jim crow law to boot). Maybe i might just move over the line now

No_Brakes23
January 24, 2006, 03:03 PM
Kansas could get really crowded once we get CCW, everyone fed up with mountains and oceans is likely to move here to escape the constant stimulation. Lol, my bags are packed in anticipation.:D Wait, we have CCW out here already. Well, sort of.:rolleyes: Good luck though, with Nebraska and Kansas added to the list, there will be a nice fat block of contiguous Carry states.

Trip20
January 24, 2006, 03:39 PM
Good luck you all. I truely hope it works out for you. Hopefully our efforts in WI will work as well, and be an example to your legislators that they're falling behind the curve (as are ours).

scout26
January 24, 2006, 03:46 PM
Good luck you all. I truely hope it works out for you. Hopefully our efforts in WI will work as well, and be an example to your legislators that they're falling behind the curve (as are ours).

Here in Illinois our legislators can't even find the curve.......using both hands, and a map with written directions...... (The ones under idictment deny ever having known the curve even existed....)

Good Luck Jayhawks !!!!

texascarl
January 27, 2006, 09:20 PM
I stayed up til Midnight writing to my Kansas congresscritters. Not that I'll change anyone's mind, but I had my say.

My congresscritter wrote back to ask if she could quote from my letter if/when there's a debate on the bill. Of course she can. I hope I spelled everything right, and hope the crayons didn't smear.

I worked with her at another job years ago, smart lady. I think she's looking forward to this pending slugfest. I predict that the '1 closely guarded woman's veto stands between the rest of us and safety' meme could get a lot of airplay. As it should.

WI-Guy
January 27, 2006, 09:36 PM
I don't know how effective it was yet, but I have made up a little business card that I provided to the legislators when I snail mail them during the run up to our fight here in Wisconsin.

The card simply has "No PPA = No Vote" emboldened and a tagline under it that says "If you support my rights then I will support your re-election."

500 cards cost only $60 at Kinkos. I passed them around with my friends and we all I sent one with letters to the antis. Made for a pseudo-ballot type thing.

I still have it in MS Publisher - if you want I will send ti to you.

Robert J McElwain
February 3, 2006, 01:57 PM
Today, the Kansas City Star had two articles saying that Kansas is going for CCW and "Stand Your Ground" legislation. Let's hope we can get both past our bleeding heart Governor.

Bob

RaetherEnt
February 3, 2006, 09:19 PM
Watch the topeka CJ. If I get enough cash rounded up, we have a special ad planned for the governess. If she vetoes this again we'll have enough leverage to overide it this time. Non stop campaigning, calling talk shows, and twisting arms is slowly paying off. Tell everyone you know to call their senators and representatives. Call them often, hell call every week. Push push push! We can win it this time.


I.C.

I would be VERY interested in helping you with this effort.

texascarl
February 6, 2006, 09:59 PM
Backers say gun bill has a shot

The proposal -- similar to one Sebelius vetoed last year -- would allow some Kansans to carry concealed guns.

BY BRENT D. WISTROMEagle Topeka bureauTOPEKA -

Reloaded and trying to avoid a repeat of last year, gun advocates have returned with a bill that would let qualified Kansans carry hidden firearms.
This year's legislation is almost identical to the proposal Gov. Kathleen Sebelius vetoed last year. And, unless the bill changes, her aides said, it's likely to get blocked again.
But some legislators think the upcoming election could put more pressure on Sebelius to sign Senate Bill 418. The Senate Federal and State Affairs Committee is expected to move the proposal to the Senate floor Tuesday.
Even if Sebelius vetoes the bill this year, Rep. Candy Ruff said, backers of the bill will work to secure enough votes to override a veto. A two-thirds vote of both the Senate and the House is necessary to override a veto.
"This is a bill that's going to become law one way or another," Ruff, D-Leavenworth, said. She is a leading supporter of the proposal.
Except for the upcoming elections, the concealed carry debate echoes what Kansans have heard for years.
This week, many of the same lobbyists offered the same arguments and studies as last year.
When it was over, the chairman asked whether anyone had questions.
Sen. John Vratil, R-Leawood, said he had a question that hadn't been answered: If carrying guns deters violence, why wouldn't having that firearm exposed be better than having it hidden?
Sen. Phil Journey, a long-time gun advocate and former president of the state's National Rifle Association affiliate, said concealed weapons are better because they keep criminals guessing. They never know whether the little old lady at a cash machine might have a pistol, he said.
Journey, R-Haysville, said criminals tend to take up less-confrontational crimes such as car theft after concealed carry laws pass.
That doesn't convince the opposition, which includes state law enforcement groups, city governments and schools.
Though not all the groups oppose the legislation outright, many want changes to greatly alter the bill.
The League of Kansas Municipalities wants to maintain local regulation of firearms, meaning gun laws could vary across the state.
For example, Wichita has a waiting period for gun purchases; laws that ban carrying a concealed gun, loaded or not; and a law against carrying a loaded weapon even if it is in plain sight.

The Kansas National Education Association asked that guns be barred not only from schools but also from all school- or college-sponsored activities.
Kelly Johnston, chairman of Safe State Kansas, opposes the proposal altogether.
He worries that Senate Bill 418 could pair with House Bill 2577, which blocks civil and criminal action in cases in which residents use deadly force against someone breaking into their houses.
Johnston said violent crime is down statewide and across the nation.
"Conceal carry has had nothing to do with it," he said. "That's a bogus, specious argument."


http://www.kansas.com/mld/kansas/news/13800816.htm?source=rss&channel=kansas_news

Robert J McElwain
February 9, 2006, 10:34 PM
This afternoon, the Kansas Senate passed bill #418, the Personal and Family Protection Act, by a veto proof margin of 29 to 11

It now goes to the House where a veto proof margin is less certain. And then on to Governor Sebelius, where a veto is fairly certain unless she has an epiphany.

Any help anyone can provide will be appreciated. Emails from everywhere seem to be effective.

Bob

texascarl
February 9, 2006, 11:25 PM
http://www.kctv5.com/Global/story.asp?S=4482323

REPUBLICANS VOTING YES
Pat Apple, Louisburg.
Jim Barnett, Emporia.
Karin Brownlee, Olathe.
Terry Bruce, Hutchinson.
Les Donovan, Wichita.
Jay Scott Emler, Lindsborg.
Tim Huelskamp, Fowler.
Nick Jordan, Shawnee.
Phil Journey, Haysville.
Carolyn McGinn, Sedgwick.
Steve Morris, Hugoton.
Kay O'Connor, Olathe.
Ralph Ostmeyer, Grinnell.
Peggy Palmer, Augusta.
Mike Petersen, Wichita.
Roger Pine, Lawrence.
Dennis Pyle, Hiawatha.
Derek Schmidt, Independence.
Mark Taddiken, Clifton.
Ruth Teichman, Stafford.
Dwayne Umbarger, Thayer.
Susan Wagle, Wichita.
Dennis Wilson, Overland Park.

REPUBLICANS VOTING NO

Barbara Allen, Overland Park. Pete Brungardt, Salina. Roger Reitz, Manhattan. Vicki Schmidt, Topeka. Jean Schodorf, Wichita. John Vratil, Leawood. David Wysong, Mission Hills.

DEMOCRATS VOTING YES

Jim Barone, Frontenac.
Mark Gilstrap, Kansas City.
David Haley, Kansas City.
Anthony Hensley, Topeka.
Laura Kelly, Topeka.
Chris Steineger, Kansas City.

DEMOCRATS VOTING NO

Donald Betts, Wichita. Marci Francisco, Lawrence. Greta Goodwin, Winfield.
Janis Lee, Kensington.

Many thanks, yea votes.

For Nay votes - We'll all review where you went wrong just before next election.

Standing Wolf
February 9, 2006, 11:28 PM
Well done, Kansans!

Zundfolge
February 9, 2006, 11:43 PM
Gotta love Kansas where more Republicans will vote against CCW than Democrats :rolleyes:


Lets see how it does in the house before the Governess vetos it.

Then lets see how the override goes ... THEN I'll celebrate :)

Would be nice to be able to carry legally when I go back to Wichita to visit the 'rents.

beerslurpy
February 10, 2006, 01:11 AM
Good work storming the castle.

lbmii
February 10, 2006, 01:56 AM
Well now that's just typical, Republicans of very affluent, very white Johnson County vote no:

Barbara Allen, Overland Park, John Vratil, Leawood, David Wysong, Mission Hills.

While right next door to Johnson County are the Democrats of rather poor and quite Black Kansas City, Kansas and they vote yes:

Mark Gilstrap, Kansas City.
David Haley, Kansas City.
Chris Steineger, Kansas City.

Go figure.

mordechaianiliewicz
February 10, 2006, 02:10 AM
The thesis of which was "Kansas is not liberal enough!" :scrutiny:



Good luck Kansas ... don't expect you'll get it (and even if you do I'm not moving back :p ).

I enjoyed What's Wrong with Kansas. It shows why Dems ain't gettin' votes. To quote Firefly, "You mettle. You're in their Homes, and in their heads, and you haven't the right."

As long as the dumb Dems suggest stupid social engineering laws, that "silent majority" will vote against them. Yeah, corporations are dangerous. But the government historically is more dangerous, and until the Dems realize this isn't a 3rd World Country, and corporations aren't starving people (just not paying what they could, or should) people will vote their conscience on abortion and guns, they won't win outside of East and West Coast bastions of the far left.

As far as Kansas goes, maybe I might have to change my location markings... I live only a stone's throw from JoCo, Kansas, the cause of the problems. Johnson County Republicans and limousine liberals have alot in common: Fear of the common man armed. Hopefully, we'll see a change, and ccw being legal. Some of my family lives in Wyandotte County (also called Crimedot), and I would feel alot better having my pistol in that area of town.

ksnecktieman
February 10, 2006, 03:17 AM
For anyone that does not remember. When Sebelius first ran for governor, she was supported by the NRA. The previous governor (Graves?) Had vetoed a ccw bill. I voted for her that first time. She promptly vetoed ccw, and I have voted against her each time since (2? or 3? times). She gets email from me with each attempt. One year I took a half day off of work to join Candy Ruff on the south steps of the capitol to show support for Ruff's ccw bill. I was ashamed of the poor showing of supporters. Maybe forty of us had shown up.

As far as NRA help. I think the NRA has bigger fish to fry. I have been a member for a long time, and I do not think they have even sent members an alert when this issue is coming up. I suspect they will not understand why they are losing membership in Kansas.
I will vote against Sebelius again. I hope her veto can be overcome.

I will email my poly critters, again, I saved their addresses last time.

Robert J McElwain
February 10, 2006, 11:10 AM
It proves there is no clarity in party lines. Both the Republicans and the Democrats have there share of "Limousine Liberals" and both parties have their share of interplanetary thinkers. "Space Cadets."

I think I'm switching to Libertarian. I don't think they've been corrupted yet.

Bob

ebd10
February 10, 2006, 11:20 AM
How organized are the supporters of the bill? How involved is the NRA?

The NRA and the KSRA are sitting on their thumbs as usual. The ONLY person that is working to rally the troops is a woman named Patricia Stoneking. She is working with gun shops across the state and attempting to get the major players into the fight. She is having limited success, but she won't quit and the NRA & KSRA reps have PO'd her by their condescending attitude ("Let us handle it. We've been doing this for a long time. We know best") During the committee hearing to get the bill ontot the Senate floor, the NRA rep couldn't even be bothered to show up.

If Kansans want this bill to pass, they need to do it at the grassroots level since the nRA seems to have already conceded.

Robert J McElwain
February 10, 2006, 11:38 AM
The NRA and the KSRA are sitting on their thumbs as usual. The ONLY person that is working to rally the troops is a woman named Patricia Stoneking. She is working with gun shops across the state and attempting to get the major players into the fight. She is having limited success, but she won't quit and the NRA & KSRA reps have PO'd her by their condescending attitude ("Let us handle it. We've been doing this for a long time. We know best") During the committee hearing to get the bill ontot the Senate floor, the NRA rep couldn't even be bothered to show up.

If Kansans want this bill to pass, they need to do it at the grassroots level since the nRA seems to have already conceded.

I do not understand this State.:confused: :cuss: :banghead:

Bob

wmenorr67
February 10, 2006, 02:33 PM
I would like to see how the Wyandotte Countians vote when the override vote comes up. If I recall correctly some of them voted for it before they voted against it. Being a former Dotte I would love to see friends and family who still live there be able to legally carry if they choose. Plus I won't have to lock mine up when I choose to visit Cabelas.

rcellis
February 10, 2006, 03:04 PM
Its going to pass through the house, as it has passed through the senate. The big change is that 'gun control' has been used as a wedge issue by the minority Democrats to get one of their own into Cedarcrest... with enough votes (now, we didn't have enough last time) in the legislature to override the veto, I think the Republicans will decide to 'take the issue off the table'.

I say this because the last election partially hinged on this issue and the Kansas Republican Party will remember that.

At least I am hopeful.

Fellow Kansans: write your Rep AND the Governor. And get your friends and relatives to do so as well. And don't forget to mention that most other states trust their citizens with this right. Women: mention that nothing says 'NO' to rapists and other denizens of the night better than the chance to loose their onions to a possibly armed victim.

Clint

Robert J McElwain
February 10, 2006, 03:37 PM
Its going to pass through the house, as it has passed through the senate. The big change is that 'gun control' has been used as a wedge issue by the minority Democrats to get one of their own into Cedarcrest... with enough votes (now, we didn't have enough last time) in the legislature to override the veto, I think the Republicans will decide to 'take the issue off the table'.

I say this because the last election partially hinged on this issue and the Kansas Republican Party will remember that.

At least I am hopeful.

Fellow Kansans: write your Rep AND the Governor. And get your friends and relatives to do so as well. And don't forget to mention that most other states trust their citizens with this right. Women: mention that nothing says 'NO' to rapists and other denizens of the night better than the chance to loose their onions to a possibly armed victim.

Clint

Agreed. I really hope Sebelius gets enough email to persuade her that a veto could very well be career-ending.

Bob

rcellis
February 14, 2006, 12:37 PM
According to a reliable source, though I have not verified this specifically, there were 6 Democrats who voted in favor of the CCW law - if there is a veto by the Democrat governor, they may change their votes, which would sink the deal this year.

Clint

AJ Dual
February 14, 2006, 02:22 PM
According to a reliable source, though I have not verified this specifically, there were 6 Democrats who voted in favor of the CCW law - if there is a veto by the Democrat governor, they may change their votes, which would sink the deal this year.

Clint

All too familiar a tale here in Wisconsin.

2002 On the last day of the session for the year, the Democrat WI Senate Majority leader improperly ignored a voice vote to bring CCW to the floor, knowing it would pass, and our Republican Governor would sign, and that an anti-gun Democrat Gov. would possibly win that fall.

(That ex-Senator is reporting to jail today on unrelated ethics violations. Karma... :D )

2004 CCW passes in the Senate with a wide veto-proof majority, then passes in the Assembly with an EXACT veto proof majority. One Democrat Assemblyman who was a co-sponsor of the bill, and even wrote pro CCW op-ed pieces in his local districts newspapers flipped his vote on the override to side with the Governor on promises of campaign help for re-election, or a cush state job should he lose.

2006. Almost the same thing, we had EXACTLY the 2/3rds needed to override the Governor in the Assembly again, with a comfortable margin in the Senate. this time two other Democrats flipped. We don't know yet what they were promised by the Democratic party or the Governor, but I'm sure it was good.

The one thing you can do is look at how long and nasty Missouri's fight to get CCW was. Year after year, the vote fraud in St. Louis's inner city districts, the friendly "co-sponsors" who were really there to poison-pill ammend CCW into nothingness....

Keep pushing year after year. Wear them down. Let them know you'll never go away. Worst case senario, fence-sitting legislators will flip to your side just to shut you up and move on to other things. :neener:

Remember that you have something to fight FOR. When you look at the impact of CCW in the approximately 40 states that are shall-issue or liberal may-issue, what your opponent's are fighting AGAINST ("blood in the streets" and "Dodge City") dosen't really exist.

Robert J McElwain
February 14, 2006, 02:34 PM
We may have to organize some open carry gatherings later, if it doesn't pass. At least that's legal.

Bob

Zundfolge
February 14, 2006, 02:37 PM
I do not understand this State.:confused: :cuss: :banghead:

Bob
Bob, I was born and raised there and I don't understand that state any more than you do so I just gave up and moved.

ebd10
February 14, 2006, 02:53 PM
The fact is that the only way to get this legislation passed is to inundate Sebelius' office with emails, letters, phone calls, postcards, telegrams and whatever other method of communication you can muster. Grass roots activism is the only way to get things done. Organizations are great for things like Hunter's Education and Gun Safety, but something like CCW is too hot of a political issue to trust to a committee. The internet is our best means of contacting those in office, but a postcard gives them a tangible way to count opinions.

jcinkc
February 14, 2006, 04:40 PM
rcellis is correct about the Dems going to bat for their governor. If Sebelius vetoes the bill, there will be enough Dems backpedaling to uphold the veto. This was reported in the KC Star last week.

ebd10
February 14, 2006, 04:46 PM
This was reported in the KC Star last week.

The KC Star is the media arm of the Dem party. Make no mistake; politicians understand only two things: fear and pain. The pain of losing re-election, and the fear of having to live under the laws that they helped make. If enough people make their opinions known, they WILL toe the line. It happened in Oregon and Michigan, it CAN happen in Kansas. The important thing is to be vocal!

Zundfolge
February 14, 2006, 05:16 PM
The fact is that the only way to get this legislation passed is to inundate Sebelius' office with emails, letters, phone calls, postcards, telegrams and whatever other method of communication you can muster.
I disagree ... you need to inundate all the Senators' and Congresscritters' offices, but Sebelius could have every single Kansan visit her office in person and DEMAND she sign CCW and she'd veto it. She is a Socialist, elitist [edited out to remain on the high road] she doesn't want CCW passed on her watch, the will of the people be damned.

She WILL veto it just as assuredly as the sun will rise in the east and set in the west. The only way to get this passed is to make sure that the veto is overridden.

ebd10
February 14, 2006, 05:21 PM
Good point, inundate them all.:D

RaetherEnt
February 15, 2006, 11:48 PM
Many of us members from Kansas have been talking about "grass roots" campaigns and the such. Lets do it. Pool together our sources, place some ads, get some petitions going, etc. I am in Shawnee, and more than willing to go door to door.

Anyone interested?

rcellis
February 16, 2006, 12:05 PM
I'm in. For whatever it's worth. What specifically do you have in mind?

Clint
Salina

Vermont Guy
February 16, 2006, 12:54 PM
Kansas has to elect a pro-rights govenor.

The NRA has a system of organizing volunteers. Kansas has four coordinators, one for each US Distict. Everyone else needs to contact that person and volunteer.

http://www.nraila.org/ActionCenter/GetInvolvedLocally/EVCByState.aspx?ST=KS

wmenorr67
February 16, 2006, 01:54 PM
Over on Packing.org someone posted that the bill passed the Senate 29-11. Now lets hope the same 29 vote to override the veto.

insidious_calm
February 16, 2006, 04:23 PM
The difference between this time and the last is that the legislation originated in the senate. Honestly, I do find this promising. The house is a sure thing. The senate has always been the question mark. Last time the veto override failed in the senate, but last time it didn't pass with a veto proof majority either. This to me has potential this time.

The NRA has been involved in the past. I talked with their rep at the capitol last time around when the floor debate on the issue was occurring. I have not had the time or money to attend any of the debate this year. I haven't spent as much time at the capitol this time either so I can't say whether they are involved or not. What I can say for sure is that involved or not, their methods have been ineffectual here in Kansas. In fact, last time around they actively opposed an ammendment I requested that would have placed lockers at county court houses so permit holders would not have to leave firearms in their vehicles.

The simple truth is that a ground swell of grassroots effort is what is pushing this forward not the NRA. They need to seriously reflect upon their methods here and why they have been so inneffective. Focus your efforts on the senate. If this thing fails again it will be because the senate failed to override again. The senate is the key.


I.C.

Robert J McElwain
February 16, 2006, 05:28 PM
The difference between this time and the last is that the legislation originated in the senate. Honestly, I do find this promising. The house is a sure thing. The senate has always been the question mark. Last time the veto override failed in the senate, but last time it didn't pass with a veto proof majority either. This to me has potential this time.

The NRA has been involved in the past. I talked with their rep at the capitol last time around when the floor debate on the issue was occurring. I have not had the time or money to attend any of the debate this year. I haven't spent as much time at the capitol this time either so I can't say whether they are involved or not. What I can say for sure is that involved or not, their methods have been ineffectual here in Kansas. In fact, last time around they actively opposed an amendment I requested that would have placed lockers at county court houses so permit holders would not have to leave firearms in their vehicles.

The simple truth is that a ground swell of grassroots effort is what is pushing this forward not the NRA. They need to seriously reflect upon their methods here and why they have been so ineffective. Focus your efforts on the senate. If this thing fails again it will be because the senate failed to override again. The senate is the key.


I.C.

Insidious,

I hope you're right. When this comes back for the veto vote, I plan on pounding my various Senators and Representatives with emails, letters etc. I sure don't want to be the last State to join the pack. Kansas has already embarrassed itself on too many issues.

Bob

Robert J McElwain
February 21, 2006, 10:30 AM
Here's another thought I heard the other day. If the House passes the bill by a veto-proof margin, Sebelius, not being a stupid politician running for re-election, might decide not to veto. She might take the high road and claim she's saving the taxpayers money by not wasting the time on a veto vote.

That makes it that much more important that there be a super margin in the House.

Bob

Robert J McElwain
February 23, 2006, 04:59 PM
A hard working Kansan has created an excellent email flyer to send to all your Kansas friends it you're so inclined.

http://www.ks2a.com/photos/

Take a look at it.

Bob

RaetherEnt
February 23, 2006, 10:19 PM
The NRA and the KSRA are sitting on their thumbs as usual. The ONLY person that is working to rally the troops is a woman named Patricia Stoneking. She is working with gun shops across the state and attempting to get the major players into the fight. She is having limited success, but she won't quit and the NRA & KSRA reps have PO'd her by their condescending attitude ("Let us handle it. We've been doing this for a long time. We know best") During the committee hearing to get the bill ontot the Senate floor, the NRA rep couldn't even be bothered to show up.

If Kansans want this bill to pass, they need to do it at the grassroots level since the nRA seems to have already conceded.


Very nice! I just met Patricia at the Bullet Hole last night. My wife is taking her Personal Protection course, and she emailed us the registration form this morning. I am emailing her back immediately to see how I can help!

Edited: I have just emailed Patricia, and am assuming that if members of The High Road are willing to help, that she can find some grass-roots work for us. We are SOOOOOOOO Close this time!

RaetherEnt
February 23, 2006, 10:29 PM
A hard working Kansan has created an excellent email flyer to send to all your Kansas friends it you're so inclined.

http://www.ks2a.com/photos/

Take a look at it.

Bob

Thanks Robert! I may just print out a few thousand copies and start posting them on windshields at Oak Park Mall. LOL!!!

Robert J McElwain
February 23, 2006, 10:40 PM
Thanks Robert! I may just print out a few thousand copies and start posting them on windshields at Oak Park Mall. LOL!!!


Also, take it and turn it into an email and email it to about 20 of your Kansas friends and ask each to email it on to 20 more.

I like your attitude.

Bob

CasualShooter
February 24, 2006, 03:24 AM
The Kansas House, Federal and State Affairs Committee has scheduled a hearing on S418 for next week. Hearing: Thurs., 3/2/2006, 1:30 pm, Rm 313-S

Contact your representative and let committee members hear from you.

english kanigit
February 24, 2006, 03:54 AM
Where could a kanigit find the necessary contact info or info for people that we really need to persuade?

Robert J McElwain
February 24, 2006, 10:54 AM
Go to:

http://www.kansas.gov/government/legislators.html

That will give you access to phones, emails and addresses for all our elected leaders.

Thanks,

Bob

Patricia Stoneking
February 24, 2006, 11:46 AM
I have a petition form that I have been circulating all over the state. I would be glad to provide it to anyone who wants it. I also have a comprehensive list of the House of Reps and the Senate. The Senate list shows how everyone voted on SB 418. The House list has a forecast of how they will vote but is probably not very accurate as this info came from several conflicting sources. It also indicates who committee members are. In addition, I have a letter to the Governor that anyone can use if they want it. She is the true obstacle in all of this. I believe it will take a true grassroots effort that overwhelms the Governor to get her to sign the bill. We have a veto override in the Senate but maybe not in the House. I think someone mentioned or suggested in a post that we go to her office. Anyone up for a rally? I can be contacted via email or you can call me at (913) 522-4765.

Patricia Stoneking
February 24, 2006, 12:24 PM
I have been working with Representative Candy Ruff and we have a gentleman who has been a victim of violent crime who is going to testify at the House Committee Hearing on March 2nd. We also had a female lined up but she is unable to take time from her job to be there. Does anyone out there know of any female who is pro CCW and has been a victim of a violent crime, stalking, rape, assault, etc who would be willing to tell her story at the hearing. It would be even more effective if she lives in an area such as Wyandotte County that is anti CCW. If so, please let me know right away. Thanks!

Steve 48
February 24, 2006, 03:13 PM
I am the person who will be testifying next week. I really hope that you can make this important meeting. I am just telling what happened to our family when you try to do something right. Hope to see you there. Steve48

Patricia Stoneking
February 27, 2006, 03:30 PM
Rep. Candy Ruff just called me and I will be testifying at the House Federal and State Affairs Committee hearing this Thursday. I will be testifying on the behalf of females who have taken my classes because they have been victims of crime. If anyone has any suggestions or input I'm certainly open to it. Please say a prayer for me that I will be able to say the right things and help make a difference so we can get CCW passed in Kansas once and for all!

CasualShooter
February 28, 2006, 01:14 AM
These are the people we really need to contact and persuade this week:

House Federal and State Affairs Committee Members

R - Kenny A. Wilk - Member
R - Anthony R. Brown - Member
D - Tom Burroughs - *R.M. Member
R - Barbara Craft - Member
D - Nile Dillmore - Member
D - Tom Hawk - Member
D - Broderick Henderson - Member
D - Ann Mah - Member
D - Melody Miller - Member
R - Steven R. Brunk - Member
D - Candy L. Ruff - Member
R - Everett L. Johnson - Member
R - Lance Kinzer - Member
D - Judith Loganbill - Member
R - Judy Morrison - Member
R - Ray Merrick - Member
R - Ray L. Cox - Member
R - Donald L. Dahl - Member
R - John Edmonds - Chairperson
R - Don V. Myers - Member
R - Arlen H. Siegfreid - Vice-Chairperson
R - Lynne Oharah - Member
R - Richard F. Kelsey - Member

Here is a link to all house member emails:
http://www.kslegislature.org/legsrv-house/searchHouse.do

And Here is a link to all house member phone numbers:
http://www.kslegislature.org/commsched/house/hlist.pdf

texascarl
March 2, 2006, 01:12 PM
Good luck at the hearing today, folks. Ad astra per aspera plus Sebelius

lbmii
March 19, 2006, 01:54 PM
So if everything goes well, when will the law take effect?

Zundfolge
March 19, 2006, 03:17 PM
Anyone have a link to the final draft that went to Heir Governess?

Earlier versions looked real good (including what appeared to be instant reciprocity with pretty much every other state), but I imagine lots of crap got added to it.

lowracer
March 19, 2006, 03:27 PM
http://www.kslegislature.org/legsrv-bills/showBill.do?id=66279

Zundfolge
March 19, 2006, 03:32 PM
excellent!


So it doesn't look too bad (no church or bar carry, which is silly, but at least the didn't forbid banks like Nebraska is going to and you can carry in a restaurant that serves alcohol).

Looks like the instant reciprocity thing is still in there (although a mechanism has been added to give the AG the option of not reciprocating with a state with lower CCW standards ... Thankfully I hear the current AG is pretty pro-gun).



Overall it looks better than Nebraska's bill, but no where as good as Colorado (but then again, most states even with Shall Issue aren't as good as Colorado).

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