Wilson Combat 1911 Magazines, Issue or Break-in?


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gnorv
January 22, 2006, 08:23 PM
I purchased a couple Wilson 8 round mags for my Kimber Stainless II. I have never had an issue with the kimber 8 round mags. However, I did have a couple of issues today with the Wilsons. First, I had a one stove top and then then I had a the slide stay open like it was out of bullets after the 4th round of 8. And lastly, the slide is extremely hard to release with a wilson mag in compared to the kimber. The gentleman that runs the gun range where I shoot, thought it just needed to be broken in. What are your thoughts.

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Ala Dan
January 22, 2006, 08:32 PM
Most likely the range master is correct; however I have never experienced
this type of problem with my Wilson (or Chip McCormick CMC) magazines.

AnthonyRSS
January 22, 2006, 08:38 PM
I would break them in with a hammer, but that's just me.

.45&TKD
January 22, 2006, 08:42 PM
I use Wilson 8 rounders in my Kimber TLE with no problems.

1911Tuner
January 22, 2006, 08:49 PM
Lemme see...No problems with the OEM magazines and problems with the Wilsons...Lemme see...Hmmmm...

:D

45crittergitter
January 22, 2006, 08:56 PM
The Wilson 8 rounders are the only mags that will feed shot loads in my Baer 5" but it takes about 49# of force to seat a fully loaded one into the gun with the slide forward.

Chuck R.
January 22, 2006, 09:10 PM
By all means try “breaking them in” but it could be that your 1911 doesn’t like the Wilsons.

I was a big Wilson 47D fan right up until I bought my Les Baer. My Baer just doesn’t like my Wilson 47Ds. I get an occasional nose down jam, and I haven’t been able to narrow it down to any one of my Wilsons. The pistol runs 100% with Baer Mags, Colt Mags, Tripp Cobra Mags, and even old “surplus” GI mags.

It just doesn’t like the Wilsons, but meanwhile, my Colt runs very well with them.

Chuck

gnorv
January 22, 2006, 11:35 PM
I have shot 2k to 2.5k rounds through the kimber with the OEM mags, no issues. I have had maybe 2 or three stove tops; but, the round felt week and didn't sound right (like a weak load). The stove top today felt and sounded fine; but, I am shooting the Winchester value pack from Walmart so it could have easily been the ammo. However, I am a little concerned by the slide locking with 4 in the mag and how hard it is to release the slide with the wilson mag. The range master thought the mag spring was still pretty stiff and needed to be broken in.

aaronrkelly
January 23, 2006, 05:31 AM
I have never had a problem one with my Wilson Mags......in fact I have used them from round 1 with my Kimber and never had a problem with the gun either.

Im not sure I buy into the statement that magazines need to be "broken in".....maybe they are just defective or your gun doesnt like them.

rikman
January 23, 2006, 05:37 AM
Wilson 47D's seem to be hit or miss. I had major problems with them. Finally , I converted them with Tripp Research kits.


Good Luck
Rich

45auto
January 23, 2006, 10:13 AM
I would load the Wilson mags and leave them a couple of days.

Then try them!

Technosavant
January 23, 2006, 11:38 AM
Although some guys swear by them, the Wilsons do not play nice in every 1911. It is a characteristic of the 1911 that for some reason, they are VERY touchy about the type of magazine used. Mine likes CMC PowerMags (haven't tried Wilsons, I don't see the need to do so).

If you are trying out new mags in a 1911, never buy a bunch until you are certain they will work well. Buy one, try it out. When you are certain it functions 100%, then place a huge order.

Double Naught Spy
January 23, 2006, 12:00 PM
I have never broken in a mag. I have loaded and unloaded to see if the follower moves freely as it should, but that is it.

So there was a stovepipe and a premature lockback with the Wilson mags? The stovepipe probably isn't going to be a mag issue. Stovepipes are usually the result of issues such as limpwristing or shortstroking.

The premature lockback could be a mag issue if the Wilson mags don't fit your gun right for some reason. However, a common cause of premature lockback is the unintentional and often unnoticed bumping of the slidestop by the off hand during firing, usually when the offhand thumb is resting against the side of the gun. Because of all the other sensation occurring at that moment, the shooter does not realize s/he has bumped the slide stop.

Hardcore
January 23, 2006, 12:24 PM
I have two colts and they love the Wilson 47D Mag's with hardball and hollow point's they all work as they should, I have two metal forums both feed well but one does not lock the slide back on last round? same with my colt's Mag's they all feed well but i have one that for what ever reason does not lock the slide back? but all my surplus work great. go figure

gnorv
January 23, 2006, 12:40 PM
I figured the stove top was related to the ammo. But, I am 99.9% sure that I didn't touch the slide lock. I will leave them loaded for a couple of weeks and then I will go back to the range. My guess is my Kimber doesn't like them. I am suprised how much force it takes to release the slide and I do not think this will go away with "breaking" the magazines in. If they don't break in. I will have 2 new Wilson Mags for sale.

Shipwreck
January 23, 2006, 01:22 PM
See, I prev had an aluminum Kimber, and it would not work w/ Wilson mags - only worked w/ stock mags. Since I needed a mag w/ a plastic follower to avoid frame damage (an issue I didn't even know about until AFTER I bought the Kimber), I got rid of the thing.

Now, the Wilson mag I had works fine in my TRP, but the design won't lock back the slide on the last round. So, I bought a Tripp research rebuild kit to replace the spring and follower. Works fine when fed by hand. Haven't had a chance to shoot w/ it yet, though.

Double Naught Spy
January 23, 2006, 08:55 PM
No disrespect, gnorv, but folks often don't realize they have hit the slide stop.

Of course, you might have been shooting one-handed and so had no chance of hitting it, but if you were using a traditional 2 handed grip and thumbs indexed down the length of the gun, it can happen.

The only way I was able to convince another shooter that his gun wasn't malfunctioning, that his mags were not malfunctioning was to have him change from shooting 2 handed to 1 handed. When he shot 1 handed, he did not experience premature lockback. When he shot 2 handed, it would happen 1-3 times per mag. He claimed he wasn't touching the slide stop and believed he was, but apparently he was.

So you purchased 2 magazines from Wilson and had 2 problems, one of which you believe to not be caused by the magazine, but the ammo (stove pipe). So now you have 2 new mags and one malfunction you think is the mag. Given the sample size, no conclusions can be reliably drawn. However, if the mags needed to be broken in or were at fault, then I would expect that you should have had the problem repeated more times.

HSMITH
January 23, 2006, 09:06 PM
Put some good springs in your new Wilson mags and the problems will likely stop.

NUMBER each one, so you can tell if the problems are related to one magazine or to all of them.

The left side feed lip or both feed lips might be out on one, letting the bullet hit the slide stop. Should be pretty easy to put a couple rounds in them and compare them to your Kimber mags with a Mk1Mod1 eyeball.

gnorv
January 23, 2006, 11:32 PM
No disrespect, gnorv, but folks often don't realize they have hit the slide stop.

Of course, you might have been shooting one-handed and so had no chance of hitting it, but if you were using a traditional 2 handed grip and thumbs indexed down the length of the gun, it can happen.

The only way I was able to convince another shooter that his gun wasn't malfunctioning, that his mags were not malfunctioning was to have him change from shooting 2 handed to 1 handed. When he shot 1 handed, he did not experience premature lockback. When he shot 2 handed, it would happen 1-3 times per mag. He claimed he wasn't touching the slide stop and believed he was, but apparently he was.

So you purchased 2 magazines from Wilson and had 2 problems, one of which you believe to not be caused by the magazine, but the ammo (stove pipe). So now you have 2 new mags and one malfunction you think is the mag. Given the sample size, no conclusions can be reliably drawn. However, if the mags needed to be broken in or were at fault, then I would expect that you should have had the problem repeated more times.

Is it possible that I hit the slide lock? Yes. What do you think about having to use both thumbs to release the slide vs. one with my Kimber mags?

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