First Impressions: Taurus 24/7 9mm


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Woody_in_MN
January 23, 2006, 12:05 AM
This is not going to be very scientific, but here are my impressions after acquiring a Taurus 24/7 - 9mm (Not the "Pro")...

This DAO has no business being this accurate. Some people have complained about the trigger. I can't see this. The trigger is really nice. About the same as a high end revolver. Fit is outstanding, and finish is very good. Very nice machining. I was really looking for this in a 40sw - but I could not find a good deal on one. In fact there were not many to be found locally. I found a pretty good deal on a 9mm, and I really liked the idea of a 17 round clip. (Mine came w/ 2 hi cap clips.) It is light enough to be a good CCW.

In short, I really like it.

I hope this helps others that may be thinking about one.

- Woody

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wally
January 23, 2006, 12:50 AM
I'm waiting to find the new 24/7 Pro model in 9mm. Saw plenty of 24/7 Pro in .45, but I want 9mm for cheap shooting. If I like it enough for serious use as a car gun or nightstand gun then I'd get the .45ACP model. If I could conceal a gun this large I'd go with a 1911.

I've not heard anything bad about the 24/7 and the price is very nice.

--wally.

510thomas
January 23, 2006, 01:23 AM
I had a 24/7 in 45acp. It was the most accurate non 1911 .45 I have ever shot. I traded it in for a 1911. I wish I still had the gun.

Joe D
January 23, 2006, 09:12 AM
I have an interest in one of the long slide Pro models. BTW it is a mag/magazine not a clip. The M1 Garand uses a clip.

bakeryman
January 23, 2006, 05:58 PM
A 24/7 ss 9mm topped off with 18 rounds of Rem. golden sabre is my daily carry and it carries very well for me in a Fobus RU-97 holster. :D

Lennyjoe
January 23, 2006, 06:20 PM
Get some snap caps and spend time working the trigger. It gets even better over time. ;)

Joe D
January 25, 2006, 10:13 PM
I was not impressed with the trigger on a plain 24/7, hope the Pro model is better. A Glock trigger is much better than the 24/7. I found the 24/7 pull to be very long with a really long reset. You won't see many of these in competition. Another concern is the high bore axis.
Going to check out a 24/7 Pro 5" .45ACP this week.

Grayrider
January 26, 2006, 11:05 AM
I bought a Pro in 40 off Gunbroker but the dealer is taking their time shipping.

:mad:

Should be here soon I would think. I will try to do a review but probably not as in depth as mine on the 24/7 in 45.

GR

engineer151515
January 26, 2006, 01:06 PM
I have a 24/7 DA only in 45ACP. SS slide model. Some quick notes:

Gun construction = very good.
"Feel" / handling = very ergonomic.
Capacity of 12+1 = impressive. Extra mags run about $35 ea. :( (Don't you just love $15 Glock std cap mags? :))
Loaded chamber indicator = PC (politically correct). I could live without it but at least it is unobtrusive (unlike Ruger P345 which pops up on top of the slide - that just annoys me).
Side safety - Well, I usually carry Glocks so I can live without it. But some people like them so, OK.
Internal lock = PC and worthless. Would actually prefer if it was missing.

The trigger. My assessment of DAO. Long. Springy feel. Much like a revolver. There is a break point but it can be hard to catch every time. I'm sure a little buff and rub by a qualified somebody could improve that breakpoint somewhat. Still - if you compare it with a typical DA revolver - the 24/7 is comparable. If you are expecting 1911 crisp, well, sorry. Maybe the SA/DA model will improve this.

If I were to give the gun an overall grade, it would be an "A" as a defensive, personal carry weapon. Low price, quality construction, ammo capacity, ergonomics (including weight, concealability) , shooting accuracy (good).
The jury is still out on reliability. Although mine shoots well, I don't know how these hold up after 5K rounds, 10K rounds or more.

Some people get a little frustrated breaking down the gun for cleaning until you get the hang of it. It's really no more difficult than a 1911 (not as easy as Glock) and the instructions supplied in the manual do not help in the confusion. But once you learn the 24/7's disassembly "quircks", the job is just as fast as a 1911.

This will probably not be a target gun. As the others have pointed out, I don't think this will be a competition weapon either. I would not pick this as a door busting, double tap offensive weapon either (aka SWAT) because of the length of the trigger pull. But, then again, using pistols for offensive weapons is not a good choice. The 1911 has nothing to fear from 24/7 in this service. And until Taurus snaps up that trigger, Glock has nothing to fear in competition shooting either.



I thought these were going to be quick notes? Sorry it got so wordy.

Joe D
January 27, 2006, 08:57 AM
There is a reason that 95% of the guns shot in IDPA matches are either Glocks or 1911s. The other gun makers don't seem to get it. No one wants a gun with a long heavy trigger pull. Some will say that it makes the gun safer. Who for, the criminal that you are trying to shoot? Duh, you don't put your finger on the trigger until you are ready to pull it.
A gun with a high bore axis is just plain harder to shoot fast. Too much muzzle flip.

Grayrider
January 27, 2006, 11:24 AM
The Pro trigger fixes that issue. DA has a long take up with very little resistance, then the SA break of perhaps 4-4.5 lbs. It feels a little mushy like a striker fired gun tends to, but nothing like a Glock. The reset is shorter than a Glock. My impressions were only from messing with it at the gun show, but I would say perhaps half the travel of a Glock to reset. In other words really short. The SA pull is quite good. I would say these guns have competition potential for production class shooting. It points better than a Glock in my hands, has a better trigger out of the box by far, and the Pros have dovetailed sights so replacement options should become available. Of course the Heinie sights are fine as-is for most purposes. The 45 24/7 I had tamed recoil nicely, so in a long slide I would expect good things from the 9 or 40 for competition use. I don't plan to use mine for that, but you never know.

Of course my 45 ran 100%, but was low mileage. I would have to reserve final judgement until several thousand rounds down range. Still, it seemed most promising based on the first few hundred. I only switched to 40 this time because I wanted it in part for my wife and the grip is just a little smaller. Ammo will be a little cheaper as well and I intend to setup for reloading in 40 soon to support some IPSC shooting with my Para, CZ, and Tanfoglios.

GR

Joe D
January 27, 2006, 09:03 PM
I handled a XD and a 24/7 Pro today. Both were 4" barrel models. I must say I was impressed as to how small the grip is with both guns.
Couple of concerns, the 24/7 has aluminum frame rails. The XD still has the slide stop/release right under my thumb. The XD has a pretty high bore axis. The 24/7 is not as bad. Not nearly as low as a Glock, but not too bad.
I took both guns apart. I think I could get a really light crisp trigger with both of them. I believe I could take a lot of the pre-travel out with the 24/7. I would probably pass on the XD, but may tinker with the 24/7 Pro when the 5" models are available.
Downside is both guns would have to shoot in either ESP or CDP.

wally
January 27, 2006, 10:40 PM
The bore axis on the XD is not as high as it looks. Shoot one and you'll find its nowhere near as "flippy" as you'd think from looking at it. I ignored them for this very reason until I got a chance to actually shoot one. Factory trigger on the XD blows away the triggers on my Glock 17 & 21 much better fit to my hand too. YMMV

--wally.

meef
January 28, 2006, 01:10 AM
I handled a 24/7 pro in .45 in my favorite gun store today.

Wow!

Nice, very nice single action. And right after that, unbelieveably nice double action. Short stroke, light pull.

I'm having one. First thing tomorrow I'm going to do what i should have done tonight and make it mine.

And to help finance it - I'm selling my 24/7 (not Pro) in .40 S&W.

This gun has all the bells and whistles I want and it's only $399.

:)

Joe D
January 28, 2006, 07:36 AM
Wally, a gun shop owner gave me a HS2000 to shoot when they first came out. He wanted to drum up some IDPA business. BTW it was a good gun at $279. Wonder how just putting the Springfield name on the slide doubled the price?
It was not a bad gun just not for me. It did have a good bit more muzzle flip than a Glock 17.
Triggers are a non issue. I can get a Glock trigger as light as one lb.

MCgunner
January 28, 2006, 12:04 PM
I had a 24/7 in 45acp. It was the most accurate non 1911 .45 I have ever shot. I traded it in for a 1911. I wish I still had the gun.

:rolleyes: How many 1911s have you ever shot? I've fired LOTS of modern autos in .45 acp that would shoot rings around any out of the box combat tuned 1911. You can match tune one, but it doesn't make for a reliable combat gun. I have a Ruger that straight out of the box shoots 1-1.5" five shot groups off bags at 25 yards. I've never fired a 1911 that accurate. Even Gold Cups weren't that accurate out of the box without work. Some 1911 shooters make excuses about accuracy, though, you know, the average combat distance is 7 yards. Okay, whatever.

Some people have complained about the trigger. I can't see this.

That's because an awful lot of shooters never learn to shoot DA, refuse to learn. It takes a little effort, after all. Hard enough for 'em to learn to shoot single actions.

Back when I started, revolvers ruled. There weren't many autos available in the 60s and 70s by comparison and the cops all carried revolvers. If you were going to learn handgun craft, you had to learn DA. Now days, people being lazy, they don't want to learn anything different than the Buckmark they first learned to shoot. That's why, despite all the things wrong with the design that have been improved in modern guns, the 1911 still has so many fanatic fans. They can't learn to shoot anything, but a single action. Since danged few modern designs are single action for obvious safety reasons, the 1911 is about the only one left. This is also why I think new shooters should get a .22 revolver. They can learn to shoot DA with one, not with a Ruger M II or a Buckmark.

Moon
January 28, 2006, 01:38 PM
I have the same gun and love it. The trigger is great. And yes, I have owned a 1911, a Glock, and a slew of other more expensive autos that, in the end, were simply chopped liver to me. The 24/7 is safe, reliable, and I find that I shoot it in an inherently accurate manner (the same may not be true for you - trigger feel and ergonomics are subjective things) compared to its competitors. For all of you who think that the theory behind the gun is amiss (as I did when the gun first came out), I would simply suggest that you shoot one before making up your mind. I suspect that you will be pleasantly surprised at how shooter-friendly this admittedly unconventional gun is.

lawyerboyleslie
January 29, 2006, 08:10 PM
I bought a Taurus 24/7 for $299.99 and like it alot. I don't mind the trigger pull at all (my first gun a few years ago was a taurus pt 145 so I am used to the Taurus DA only trigger). It is accurate and reliable and comfortable, all things that I look for, and it did not cost an arm and a leg. I have been told that these "non pro" models have been discontinued, but some are out there in dealer stocks and at CDNN. I recommend them to anyone looking for an inexpensive 9mm.

mlgar71
January 29, 2006, 09:56 PM
I got my 24/7 9MM about a year ago and have loved it from day one. It WAS my favorite until I got my XD 45. I do prefer the 24/7 grip over the XD, but the XD has moved to the top of the heap after shooting for the first time this weekend.

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