(Britain) Farmer robbed - and police confiscate his shotgun


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Drizzt
January 23, 2006, 01:22 AM
Farmer robbed - and police confiscate his shotgun

Jan 19 2006
By Alex Adams

TWYFORD strawberry farmer Eric Jarnet is fuming after police confiscated his shotgun on his 70th birthday because they feared he might emulate Norfolk farmer Tony Martin.

Mr Martin became a national figure after the shotgun killing of a burglar at his farmhouse.

An exasperated Mr Jarnet publicly admitted he might "do a Martin" after raiders stole hundreds of yards of irrigation piping from his 25-acre Twyford Fruit Farm in London Road, effectively putting him out of business.

Moments after he made his remarks police arrived to seize his shotgun, for which he has a licence.

Mr Jarnet said: "The thieves have all the rights in the world. Even if I had a dog here and he bit an intruder he would have to be put down.

"And years ago we had the gypsies on my land, and all the layabouts on their motorbikes and quad bikes, who cost us a fortune.

"And they keep breaking into the farm shop run by my tenants, so why put up with it?

"I have had enough especially as it happened on my 70th birthday. I will go to America and then I can have my gun and a licence."

Mr Jarnet added: "Residents and farmers have no protection and the police have just proved my point about how far will somebody be pushed into doing a Martin up in Norfolk.

"He was pushed too far. Nobody is saying he did the right thing, and I did not make a specific threat to a specific person.

"I was asking if a person could be pushed too far and when a person could be pushed too far.

"I gave up my gun voluntarily because there's no point in antagonising the police.

"The police and the judges are not doing anything to protect us.

"The policeman took the gun and he hid it under his coat. If it was all legal and above board why did he have to hide it under his coat?

"They have overreacted and they have proved they are protecting the villains.

"In other words, they are saying 'you come on Mr Jarnet's land, at least he can't shoot you.'"

Police spokesman Tim Wiseman said: "If anyone is making these public comments then we have a duty to check them out. Firearms, particularly in West Berkshire, are a sensitive issue.

"Concerns were passed to police following comments Mr Jarnet made on a local radio station. Thames Valley Police have a duty to make sure that no risk exists.

"We obviously had to respond to this and a firearms inquiries officer went round, and Mr Jarnet surrendered his gun."

http://icberkshire.icnetwork.co.uk/0100news/0200berkshireheadlines/tm_objectid=16602070&method=full&siteid=50102&headline=farmer-robbed---and-police-confiscate-his-shotgun-name_page.html

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xd9fan
January 23, 2006, 01:29 AM
Farmer robbed - and police confiscate his shotgun

"Concerns were passed to police following comments Mr Jarnet made on a local radio station. Thames Valley Police have a duty to make sure that no risk exists.

"We obviously had to respond to this and a firearms inquiries officer went round, and Mr Jarnet surrendered his gun."

http://icberkshire.icnetwork.co.uk/0100news/0200berkshireheadlines/tm_objectid=16602070&method=full&siteid=50102&headline=farmer-robbed---and-police-confiscate-his-shotgun-name_page.html

wow what an impossible a$$ backwards goal the Thames Valley Police have chosen. Please let me know how the "no risk exists" but removing a means of self protection from the common man, works out.

The anti-risk force. here to serve.

North Texan
January 23, 2006, 01:32 AM
....feel sorry for the guy. That has to be frustrating as all get out to get robbed by a burglar, then robbed of your protection by the police. Heaven forbid somebody try to help themselves out a little.:banghead:

losangeles
January 23, 2006, 01:33 AM
It's a wild and crazy world.

beerslurpy
January 23, 2006, 01:35 AM
Haha, wait till he discovers that he doesnt need a license in america! Bet you he could get a good chunk for 25 acres in the UK and probably buy a decent plot anywhere over here.

Dr.Who
January 23, 2006, 01:35 AM
:banghead: :fire: :cuss:

LAR-15
January 23, 2006, 01:48 AM
Anybody want to defend the police in this case? :mad:

Maxwell
January 23, 2006, 02:06 AM
Anybody want to defend the police in this case?

No... no, not really :uhoh:

The man jumps through all the hoops to get his legal weapon to use in defense of his property, then when he says He'll use it to defend his property the police come and take it away.

No freedom of speach, no freedom of self defense, and no freedom from unwarrented harrassment, no freedom to buy things and own em, no freedom to keep people from taking your stuff cause all your stuff are belong to "The Man" and he really dont care who takes it from you.

Theres a reason the US split off from the British you know.

lucky_fool
January 23, 2006, 03:06 AM
The man jumps through all the hoops to get his legal weapon to use in defense of his property

Yeah, but the current mindset in the UK government is that the shotgun is only for defending his chickens against foxes. Even implying that he'd use it against a "human" means he's practically a murderer.

LAR-15
January 23, 2006, 03:19 AM
Right.

Shooting a fox or pheasant.......no two legged two armed critters bent on harm.

Duach Laidir
January 23, 2006, 04:03 AM
I'll take on the defense of the police...but then I'm a sucker for lost causes:what: :cuss:

losangeles
January 23, 2006, 04:16 AM
It's a whole other mindset in the UK. I remember a Brit telling me a story about some thief who made his way into someone's home late at night and the homeowner beat the thief with a stick and was apparently injured. Guess who was in trouble with the police? You guessed it, the homeowner. :banghead:

losangeles
January 23, 2006, 04:19 AM
Hey, Mr. Thief, how about I hit you with a smaller, shorter stick. Is that to your satisfaction, Mr. Thief?

Nooo? Oh, I'm so sorry. How 'bout I just don't use a stick and you just go ahead and take my stuff. You're so welcome, Mr. Thief. Nice of you to drop by. Have a good day, Mr. Thief.

RON in PA
January 23, 2006, 05:00 AM
Pathetic! :cuss: :cuss:

Lucky
January 23, 2006, 07:17 AM
Pathetic? I wouldn't insult them, or look down on them. It's entirely in keeping with the atmosphere I understand to be prevalent there. I even smell whiffs of it here. I think that he simply had property looted is small punishment, to be honest, would have expected he be fined or jailed for his threatened mistreatment of the disadvantaged.

It's not pathetic, it's not something to look down on, it's the most dangerous enemy you ever imagined, and you had better be taking notes on how it operates, and what it's strengths and weaknesses are.

I know SOCIALISTS from England that state they would not want to live there, in the intrusive society it is now. Even they know the difference between taking people's money and taking their rights (though there's a good case to be made that taking the first leads to the second).

robert garner
January 23, 2006, 08:19 AM
He just stated he wished to immigrate to the US!
Might I sugest a wee little trip into Mexico?
The lines a lot shorter there!
Grab the clan shake out the blissninnies an' come on over!Imagine his shock were he to land amongst the Yanks or Californios

McCall911
January 23, 2006, 08:38 AM
Sad, sad story....

It's raining outside but reading this makes me want to go out and kiss the muddy American soil by my door!

C'mon over, Mr. Jarnet. We'd welcome you.

El Tejon
January 23, 2006, 09:40 AM
Right then! Why not just throw him in prison because of what he might do.:rolleyes:

Preventative detention. Nice to know that the UK po-po have the gift of foresight. Wonder if they float in pools like the movie Minority Report with their funny little hats?:D

Behold the future that Sarah Brady wishes to bring here.:uhoh:

Mk VII
January 23, 2006, 09:42 AM
if gun owners go around voicing sentiments like this they WILL get it taken away from them, and the courts will uphold it too.

Fred Fuller
January 23, 2006, 10:04 AM
"Thames Valley Police have a duty to make sure that no risk exists."
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To the local crooks, obviously. It's apparent the Thames Valley Police are sure no threat to criminals.

lpl/nc

Dave P
January 23, 2006, 10:09 AM
Twyford Fruit Farm

I wonder if one would find more fruitcakes on the farm or in Parliment?

joab
January 23, 2006, 10:26 AM
Anybody want to defend the police in this case?The police responded to a publicized threat of violent retaliation. Had they not responded they could have been accused of dereliction of duty if he had acted on that threat

U.S.SFC_RET
January 23, 2006, 10:27 AM
What a shame

Graystar
January 23, 2006, 12:19 PM
Reductio ad absurdum

It's going to spread here if we don't do something to stop it.

boofus
January 23, 2006, 12:31 PM
He is welcome to move down here to Texas any time. And no he won't need no damn license.

G36-UK
January 23, 2006, 03:04 PM
Tell you what, how about all of us good, pro-gun Brits come over, and you guys send Brady, Feinstein and all of the other sm*gheads over to Britain? That way, everyone's happy.

R.H. Lee
January 23, 2006, 03:11 PM
Tell you what, how about all of us good, pro-gun Brits come over, and you guys send Brady, Feinstein and all of the other sm*gheads over to Britain? That way, everyone's happy.
:D

Manedwolf
January 23, 2006, 03:30 PM
....feel sorry for the guy. That has to be frustrating as all get out to get robbed by a burglar, then robbed of your protection by the police. Heaven forbid somebody try to help themselves out a little.:banghead:

And yet cops in London carry MP5s on the street. Safe place, huh?

engineer151515
January 23, 2006, 03:32 PM
[sarcasm on]
Hope he doesn't see the video of California San Diego SWAT slamming Grandma in New Orleans over the revolver.
[sarcasm off]

lucky_fool
January 23, 2006, 03:36 PM
Tell you what, how about all of us good, pro-gun Brits come over, and you guys send Brady, Feinstein and all of the other sm*gheads over to Britain? That way, everyone's happy.

You're more than welcome to come on over, but I'd be happier if we could send the sm*gheads halfway to the UK. :evil:

Peet
January 23, 2006, 06:39 PM
[sarcasm on]
Hope he doesn't see the video of California San Diego SWAT slamming Grandma in New Orleans over the revolver.
[sarcasm off] CHP

Crimson
January 23, 2006, 06:49 PM
Theres a reason the US split off from the British you know.

Agreed, I'm outta Western Europe entirely once I get my degree

"no bladed implement longer than three inchs" the police say
"don't carry a knife, you might actually use it" the police say

"London now has more street crime than New York, and lot's of roving gangs randomly attacking people, here, we're removing Police officers from the beat and replacing them with community watch officers, they wear uniforms like us but if someone attacks you they're only allowed to watch" the police say

"Goodbye" I say[/rant]

Jeff Timm
January 23, 2006, 06:51 PM
Remember, he is a British SUBJECT, i.e. one of Tony Blairs cattle, with all the rights of a steer on the way to slaughter.

We in the US of A are free citizens of a Republic. Unfortunately, many of our fellow citizens are dedicated to destroying that Republic and instituting a communist slave state even worse than Jolly Old England.

Geoff
Who has sworn blood oath to protect the constitution. :cool:

rero360
January 23, 2006, 07:14 PM
in that article it talks about a group of gypsies squatting on his land in the past, someone try that on my land and they're getting a backside full of rocksalt, and if that didn't work, get friends in the fire dept to come put the hoses on 'em:evil:

engineer151515
January 23, 2006, 07:53 PM
CHP


Thanks.

Mk VII
January 23, 2006, 08:59 PM
We in the US of A are free citizens of a Republic. Unfortunately, many of our fellow citizens are dedicated to destroying that Republic and instituting a communist slave state even worse than Jolly Old England.


Just try exercising that 'right' to bear arms in Chicago. Or DC. Or New York City. Let me know how you get on.


Tell you what, how about all of us good, pro-gun Brits come over, and you guys send Brady, Feinstein and all of the other sm*gheads over to Britain? That way, everyone's happy.

Interesting place to visit, but I wouldn't want to live there. Don't want to be one of the 40% of Americans who can't afford health insurance at all, and I'd not like having about as much job security as the two bit players who beam down to the planet with Captain Kirk.

CAnnoneer
January 23, 2006, 09:51 PM
Tell you what, how about all of us good, pro-gun Brits come over, and you guys send Brady, Feinstein and all of the other sm*gheads over to Britain? That way, everyone's happy.

I would have suggested that myself. That would be a very nice solution indeed.

Kurt S.
January 23, 2006, 11:32 PM
There used to be a member who posted as "Agricola"- he was a Brit LEO who often had some interesting info when you'd see this kind of thing reported from the U.K.

I'm pretty sure there's another side to this story. I'd like to hear it.

pete f
January 24, 2006, 04:27 AM
Any country which puts up with the idea that charles might become their king deserves such treatment.

Seriously, This land of soccer hooligans and blissninnies is not the nation who stood up under Churchills guidance and fought for freedom in 1940/1

Byron Quick
January 24, 2006, 04:46 AM
Just try exercising that 'right' to bear arms in Chicago. Or DC. Or New York City. Let me know how you get on.


Oh, I shan't be going there my friend. You're safe from my visitations in England, also. I have no reason to go into enemy territory either here or abroad.

Funny thing about the job security thing. I'm 51. I've never been more than a couple of weeks out of work except for illness. Off for six months with illness, job waiting, no loss of seniority, no union either. I get messages on my answering machine from companies trying to hire me...at 51. About 3 or 4 a week.

17 years ago, I arrived in a town with all my possessions in the back seat and trunk of a '56 Chevy-not restored.:D $400.00 to my name. I had two jobs and an apartment before the sun went down that day. I have a difficult time comprehending homelessness. All the skills it took to get the two full time jobs I acquired that day was the ability to operate a cash register and the ability to operate an idiot stick (shovel). If someone can't qualify for either one from lack of skill, I certainly hope they never drive or boil water.

I work in a hospital. What's the wait for a CT scan or a MRI scan in Britain? I see them performed here in the US on people without insurance every day. Wait time is zero unless another patient is in the machine.

Lucky
January 24, 2006, 05:29 AM
Just try exercising that 'right' to bear arms in Chicago. Or DC. Or New York City. Let me know how you get on.

Interesting place to visit, but I wouldn't want to live there. Don't want to be one of the 40% of Americans who can't afford health insurance at all, and I'd not like having about as much job security as the two bit players who beam down to the planet with Captain Kirk.

Dude I KNOW what you're saying, thinking, feeling. I learned it all too. Now I feel that RIGHTS are more valuable than money, any amount of money. Any money issue is trumped by a freedom issue.

...Plus where I am they found that taxing businesses half their profits so they can pay the health care of people who don't even bother to apply for a job, that doesn't help anyone in the long run. Eventually the business will shut down or MOVE TO INDIA and everyone will be back looking for someone else to pay for all their needs.

cracked butt
January 24, 2006, 05:57 AM
Just try exercising that 'right' to bear arms in Chicago. Or DC. Or New York City. Let me know how you get on.


Which covers maybe 1/100th of 1% of the land mass in the United states? Those places aren't very hard to avoid.

and I'd not like having about as much job security as the two bit players who beam down to the planet with Captain Kirk.

Job security is for sissies. Real men (and women) prove their worth and earn their keep without the need for artificial controls put on corporations to keep them from firing the incompetent.


Don't want to be one of the 40% of Americans who can't afford health insurance at all

Anyone who is smart enough to tie their shoes the right way can get a job at walmart or Mcdonalds and have health insurance. The only people I personally know that have a hard time with health insurance are self employed because of the cost of premiums, yet they seem to make do ok.

ElTacoGrande
January 24, 2006, 06:06 AM
Mr. Jarnet, Sir, the weather is better here too!

mrwiggins
January 24, 2006, 06:26 AM
over this? who give a damn about the UK mindset. i'm thinking of black and white, right and wrong. he is entitled as a human to live, and without protection, you forefit that right. think of this. an old man, who isn't able to defend him self other than with this shotgun. these people are killing his livelyhood, and now the police take his only protection.... and yall want to defend the cops?

LAK
January 24, 2006, 09:16 AM
The local police are in all likelyhood doing as they are told. Revoking a Shotgun Certificate used to, and no doubt still, comes from the local Chief Constable. I do recall in my early shooting days living there that a few of the local constables often acted above and beyond the call of duty when it came to dealing with gun owners. Certainly the new government and police powers sweeping the U.K. are giving police a reason suitable for any occasion in the interests of waging a "war" on a noun.

It is interesting to note that people like this gent and Mr Martin before him are standing up to what is a rising tide of crime that is eating away at the fabric of what was once a proud nation with a fairly unified culture called Great Britain.

It is a shame that they are being devoured piecemeal in this way after most firearms have been effectively removed from the general populace.
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gc70
January 24, 2006, 09:41 AM
Interesting place to visit, but I wouldn't want to live there. Don't want to be one of the 40% of Americans who can't afford health insurance at all, and I'd not like having about as much job security as the two bit players who beam down to the planet with Captain Kirk.The UK is busy proving Benjamin Franklin's observation that "They that would give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."

sterling180
March 19, 2006, 06:16 PM
After the Psycotic killer Micheal Robert Ryan blew his head-off with his 9mm Beretta M92fs, a heavily-armed police officer,-from Thames Valley Police's Tactical Firearms Unit,- is seen carrying away Micheal Ryan's AK-47 assault-rifle, without covering it up at all. This was shown on the Discovery channel documentary ,Infamous Murders, and it also showed Charles Whitmans Killing Spree in Texas.

Why did they need to cover-up a humble farmers sporting-shotgun?I thought the police favoured these more-so than any other type of firearm.

GoRon
March 19, 2006, 07:50 PM
and I'd not like having about as much job security as the two bit players who beam down to the planet with Captain Kirk.


I guess job security is more important than freedom to those living in countries that are used to double digit unemployment.

Chicago is a stones throw away from me and I have plenty of guns and will be adding to my collection. We gunnies in Illinois are fighting tooth and nail to keep Chicago from eroding our rights further.

If this British farmer came to Illinois he would be able to protect his family with just about any fire arm he liked except full auto. We have few restrictions here in Illinois once you get away from the eurolike Chicagoland restrictions.

Don Gwinn
March 19, 2006, 08:07 PM
Even in Chicago, he'd have had a lot easier time getting, using and storing that shotgun legally.

Of course, if he'd actually gone on the radio to state that he would shoot trespassers, he might have gotten the same kind of visit from the Chicago PD.

nvshooter
March 19, 2006, 08:10 PM
Maybe he can sell his land to Barbara Streisand and move here.

Flyboy
March 20, 2006, 12:44 AM
"I have had enough especially as it happened on my 70th birthday. I will go to America and then I can have my gun and a licence."
No, sir! In America, you can have your gun, and you don't need a license.

LAK
March 20, 2006, 03:53 AM
Sterling180After the Psycotic killer Micheal Robert Ryan blew his head-off with his 9mm Beretta M92fs, a heavily-armed police officer,-from Thames Valley Police's Tactical Firearms Unit,- is seen carrying away Micheal Ryan's AK-47 assault-rifle, without covering it up at all. This was shown on the Discovery channel documentary ,Infamous Murders, and it also showed Charles Whitmans Killing Spree in Texas
The media, like it is here, is a tool of those in power in the U.K. to roll their agenda along. In the case of Ryan, selfloading rifles and shotguns etc were the target. The news and documentary film content and editing was aimed at precisely this end.

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perpster
March 20, 2006, 05:01 AM
"No, sir! In America, you can have your gun, and you don't need a license."

Not true for all of America now, and how much longer till it IS true for all of America??

Seven High
March 20, 2006, 08:41 AM
Do they have any progun organizations in England? Perhaps they need to start a NRA of Great Britian. They might then have some political influence over their politicians.

LAK
March 21, 2006, 08:34 AM
The largest organization in the U.K. is the BASC (British Association for Shooting and Conservation).

While without doubt many in that organization knew a long time ago exactly what the battle was all about, much of the green tweed and welly boot crowd have been made up of sporting clay and estate owning pheasant shooters. Most without the slightest interest in rifle and pistol shooting of any kind.

Consequently a large slice of the wealthiest and most politically connected people in the organization and shooting in general twiddled their thumbs - while selfloader, pump, and later most rifle and pistol ownership was eliminated.

Not surprising is the ample provisions for the wealthy to own "estate rifles" for shooting for sport or culling deer and shooting vermin. All very good for those folk, and nothing for anyone else.
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Lo.Com.Denom
March 21, 2006, 05:36 PM
Perhaps they need to start a NRA of Great Britian

According to Boothroyd, the inaugural meeting of the National Rifle Association in Britain, was at Wimbledon in 1860. They're still around and are as riven with controversy as their American cousins (unsure if they're one and the same, or not). And no, they don't have a whole lot of influence in the political arena.

Regretabbly, the only pressure-groups the government ever listens to are grieving parents (unless their children were soldiers, obviously). Grieving parents make .gov look baaad... Can't have that now, can we?

[Adopts well-oiled Blair expression #7 -- Inner anguish and empathy with your pain, coupled with grim determination to do something about it]

Mk VII
March 21, 2006, 06:35 PM
they're about to dump the NRA name - it gets confused with the American one and they see it as a liability.

"Politically, the National Rifle Association does not support calls for the general right to carry firearms for self-defence. We support the use and ownership or firearms where there is a need, for sporting purposes." Letter to the Minister, 2005

"We need to rebrand ourselves to some extent...National Shooting Centre is now marketed and is a name which expresses exactly what goes on here without any confusing militaristic overtone....The NRA also needs to change its name. This is for two good reasons. First, the reality is that wee need to move closer to the two other governing bodies to present a united front for target shooting in due course and must accept that we should adopt a suitable operating name....Second, our name, NRA, in any event, has unfortunately taken on a meaning which is seriously misunderstood and consequently too often damaging as representing a gun lobby by many in Parliament, the media, potential customer corporations, students and the public...accordingly civilian target shooting needs to take care that its condust is clearly seen as a recreational sport with all the colour and conduct associated with any other sport...the test is how we are seen or appear to be seen by the critical eye of the media" Chairman's keynote speech, July 2005

Lo.Com.Denom
March 21, 2006, 07:52 PM
Enlightening... Not sure how I feel about that, though. On the one hand it comes across as a bit spineless to ditch their name, for fear of enraging antis... On the other, it does make political sense to project a less controversial image.

What do you make of it, MK VII?

I for one will be more than happy when all the relevant target sports (and field-sports) associations get on the same page and present a united front. I would actually much prefer to see a single, strong organisation, rather than several, who are too weak to do anything for us.

danurve
March 21, 2006, 08:06 PM
I think this thread has gone a little off key. What recent news of the 70 year old and his farm? Will he get his shotgun returned? Is he moving to the US?

solareclipse
March 22, 2006, 02:26 AM
so.. no gun rights and now no speech rights. great. :uhoh: scary because others are looking at what they are doing and clearly liking it. :mad:

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